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On February 08 2015 03:42 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2015 03:38 rsoultin wrote:On February 07 2015 23:43 justanothertownie wrote:Ok, so first of all HF is one of the best if not the best scum player on this site. You won't catch him for being inactive uninteresting or any of this shit and he will bus teammates who are playing badly. He will say towny stuff from time to time and he is also perfectly able to "mindmeld" with you at times. You need to look for the agenda he is pushing. This is why he is mafia: This is the start of his rsoultin scumread day1. From now on she is basically his #1 scumread. On February 05 2015 07:03 Holyflare wrote:
I mean if i'm honest I'm probably more sure about rs than damdy On February 05 2015 07:20 Holyflare wrote:
yeh rsoul is green when I just gave the best case against her ever On February 05 2015 09:20 Holyflare wrote:
rs is like the biggest mafia and hardly anyone is mentioning her and goes off making cases on other people instead On February 05 2015 10:10 Holyflare wrote:On February 05 2015 10:07 Eden1892 wrote:
And shit you said Damdred got more townie. So even if rsoultin didn't, it's bullshit that you're telling me you still have a scumread and so you're content with being lazy. it is what it is, rsoul has literally posted nothing all game and it hasn't really changed i don't care what your gut tells you or not On February 06 2015 02:50 Holyflare wrote:On February 06 2015 02:45 batsnacks wrote:On February 06 2015 02:43 Holyflare wrote:
I'm at a crossroads between just not giving a crap about the game and giving a modicum of care towards the game with an emphasis on the former and it's somewhat annoying to me.
Nobody even mentioned me other than eden and i haven't even done anything this game really which is super boring and probably means mafia is the weaker players. I'd vote you if that makes you feel better. Breshke though... Really... I'm more inclined to vote rs tbh But when the deadline comes nearer and people are not all about lynching rsoultin he completely forgets about the read. He isn't decided on who to lynch and has MULTIPLE different targets suddenly that he keeps pushing really hard: On February 06 2015 07:52 Holyflare wrote:
let's kill oneguuuuuuuuuu
if i'm wrong you can flame me for wasting your time On February 06 2015 07:56 Holyflare wrote:
abandon wagon ABANDON WAGON
SHEEP TO DAMDRED OR I LYNCH YOU TOMORROW On February 06 2015 07:57 Holyflare wrote:
god this breshke is actually 100% mafia or something Notice how ALL of those are town and he can jump between them as much as he wants if he is mafia. No mention of rsoulting ever during all of this. So what has rsoultin done to make him forget about her? The answer is absolutely nothing. She disappeared like he will say himself later. Ok, so mislynch accomplished. Back to scumreading rsoultin immediately: On February 06 2015 08:24 Holyflare wrote:
it's funny how rsoul just appeared at deadline to vote onegu and then completely disappeared again so probably 100% breshke/jat/rsoul So, I point this out and this is his reaction: On February 07 2015 01:15 Holyflare wrote:
How have I treated rs? I've thought she was mafia all game and at deadline onegu was way more convincing mafia but then he wasn't mafia so i went back to talking about rs being mafia? Then where was this read during eod? He literally went after 3 other people and said nothing about her. If you want to know how town HF handles his scumreads eod look at void mafia. He scumread HTS and pushed her hard even though noone else really was up for it besides Kelsier. He didn't give a fuck about other targets - he pushed HIS scumread. Now he claimes he scumread rsoulting all game and then he does nothing about getting her lynched? There is no way town HF does this. He is INSISTING that he never dropped his rsoultin reads though: On February 07 2015 01:24 Holyflare wrote:
No it's not he said my read progression is damning because I drop it when I haven't And then the real gem comes: On February 07 2015 02:00 Holyflare wrote:
I'm also going to preemptively defend myself from a jat onslaught by saying i wasn't invested in this game at all until deadline so my rs read isn't very concrete compared to reads i was making in real time then. Seeing as I was mostly trolling, apart from the nagging what if on damdred. Not only can you easily see the guilty conscience - he knows I am town and that I caught him and will push him - but SUDDENLY HIS READ WASN'T VERY CONCRETE? Read the posts I quoted earlier again and decide for yourself if you want to believe this and keep in mind that he "scumread rsoultin all game" and "never dropped the read". This guy is mafia. I will show more reasons but this rsoultin read evolution is damning enough on it's own and I don't want the post to get too big. Okay, so, the argument is that I'm HF's scummate playing badly. Let's just stop pretending jat is trying to say anything else here. HF scumreads me most of the night, then when I'm not in the thread actually doing anything and a lot of other people are, and yes, are acting more scummy than my being inactive could ever be, HF switches to them. Can he do that as town or scum? Yes. Does that mean he ever stopped thinking I was scum if he was town? No, it doesn't. Does him picking me back up when all his scumreads flipped town make him scum? Uh...no, cause as town if he's racking and stacking scumreads and I'm number 3 or 4 on the list, the others flip town, of course he turns back to scumreading me. There is nothing in this long line of quotes that makes HF scum. At best it's null. The bolded. That is the stupidest bullshit I heard in a long time. There is also no way you are number 4 on his list after what he said about you earlier.
I was a policy lynch at best, jat. Stop kidding yourself.
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On February 08 2015 03:38 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On February 07 2015 23:43 justanothertownie wrote:Ok, so first of all HF is one of the best if not the best scum player on this site. You won't catch him for being inactive uninteresting or any of this shit and he will bus teammates who are playing badly. He will say towny stuff from time to time and he is also perfectly able to "mindmeld" with you at times. You need to look for the agenda he is pushing. This is why he is mafia: This is the start of his rsoultin scumread day1. From now on she is basically his #1 scumread. On February 05 2015 07:03 Holyflare wrote:
I mean if i'm honest I'm probably more sure about rs than damdy On February 05 2015 07:20 Holyflare wrote:
yeh rsoul is green when I just gave the best case against her ever On February 05 2015 09:20 Holyflare wrote:
rs is like the biggest mafia and hardly anyone is mentioning her and goes off making cases on other people instead On February 05 2015 10:10 Holyflare wrote:On February 05 2015 10:07 Eden1892 wrote:
And shit you said Damdred got more townie. So even if rsoultin didn't, it's bullshit that you're telling me you still have a scumread and so you're content with being lazy. it is what it is, rsoul has literally posted nothing all game and it hasn't really changed i don't care what your gut tells you or not On February 06 2015 02:50 Holyflare wrote:On February 06 2015 02:45 batsnacks wrote:On February 06 2015 02:43 Holyflare wrote:
I'm at a crossroads between just not giving a crap about the game and giving a modicum of care towards the game with an emphasis on the former and it's somewhat annoying to me.
Nobody even mentioned me other than eden and i haven't even done anything this game really which is super boring and probably means mafia is the weaker players. I'd vote you if that makes you feel better. Breshke though... Really... I'm more inclined to vote rs tbh But when the deadline comes nearer and people are not all about lynching rsoultin he completely forgets about the read. He isn't decided on who to lynch and has MULTIPLE different targets suddenly that he keeps pushing really hard: On February 06 2015 07:52 Holyflare wrote:
let's kill oneguuuuuuuuuu
if i'm wrong you can flame me for wasting your time On February 06 2015 07:56 Holyflare wrote:
abandon wagon ABANDON WAGON
SHEEP TO DAMDRED OR I LYNCH YOU TOMORROW On February 06 2015 07:57 Holyflare wrote:
god this breshke is actually 100% mafia or something Notice how ALL of those are town and he can jump between them as much as he wants if he is mafia. No mention of rsoulting ever during all of this. So what has rsoultin done to make him forget about her? The answer is absolutely nothing. She disappeared like he will say himself later. Ok, so mislynch accomplished. Back to scumreading rsoultin immediately: On February 06 2015 08:24 Holyflare wrote:
it's funny how rsoul just appeared at deadline to vote onegu and then completely disappeared again so probably 100% breshke/jat/rsoul So, I point this out and this is his reaction: On February 07 2015 01:15 Holyflare wrote:
How have I treated rs? I've thought she was mafia all game and at deadline onegu was way more convincing mafia but then he wasn't mafia so i went back to talking about rs being mafia? Then where was this read during eod? He literally went after 3 other people and said nothing about her. If you want to know how town HF handles his scumreads eod look at void mafia. He scumread HTS and pushed her hard even though noone else really was up for it besides Kelsier. He didn't give a fuck about other targets - he pushed HIS scumread. Now he claimes he scumread rsoulting all game and then he does nothing about getting her lynched? There is no way town HF does this. He is INSISTING that he never dropped his rsoultin reads though: On February 07 2015 01:24 Holyflare wrote:
No it's not he said my read progression is damning because I drop it when I haven't And then the real gem comes: On February 07 2015 02:00 Holyflare wrote:
I'm also going to preemptively defend myself from a jat onslaught by saying i wasn't invested in this game at all until deadline so my rs read isn't very concrete compared to reads i was making in real time then. Seeing as I was mostly trolling, apart from the nagging what if on damdred. Not only can you easily see the guilty conscience - he knows I am town and that I caught him and will push him - but SUDDENLY HIS READ WASN'T VERY CONCRETE? Read the posts I quoted earlier again and decide for yourself if you want to believe this and keep in mind that he "scumread rsoultin all game" and "never dropped the read". This guy is mafia. I will show more reasons but this rsoultin read evolution is damning enough on it's own and I don't want the post to get too big. Okay, so, the argument is that I'm HF's scummate playing badly. Let's just stop pretending jat is trying to say anything else here. HF scumreads me most of the night, then when I'm not in the thread actually doing anything and a lot of other people are, and yes, are acting more scummy than my being inactive could ever be, HF switches to them. Can he do that as town or scum? Yes. Does that mean he ever stopped thinking I was scum if he was town? No, it doesn't. Does him picking me back up when all his scumreads flipped town make him scum? Uh...no, cause as town if he's racking and stacking scumreads and I'm number 3 or 4 on the list, the others flip town, of course he turns back to scumreading me. There is nothing in this long line of quotes that makes HF scum. At best it's null.
On February 08 2015 03:47 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On February 07 2015 23:51 justanothertownie wrote:On February 06 2015 08:51 Holyflare wrote:
pretty sure a town jat would have switched to onegu when I was pushing for it Then we have this reasoning for scumreading me which makes no sense in the first place since I had more reasons to scumread SL than Onegu but even if we ignore this - why would I as scum make myself look bad by not following town marv and HF around (which I have done as scum before) if all lynch targets are town anyways and I could just switch as often as I want?On February 06 2015 09:33 Holyflare wrote:
yeh mafia is undeniably palmar or jat because they are just the type of people to qq in their scum qt/pms about modkilling I already commented on this post. It is just another awful reason to push me. On February 06 2015 13:43 Holyflare wrote:
I'm still 100% lynching jat though he's done a void all over again where he avoids all the wagons and reasoning while still agreeing with it. He did the exact same thing in heavyweight too. Flat out lying when I clearly WAS on one of the wagons and was also pushing it. Saying I avoided wagons in heavyweight is also a straight lie.Then his defense against me: On February 07 2015 01:25 Holyflare wrote:
It's absolutely not irrelevant because do you see him talking about rsoul at deadline? Absolutely not so if he is town then why does his read make sense to him when he did the same thing? This is absolutely irrelevant. I was not the one pushing rsoulting as my top scumread. On February 07 2015 01:32 Holyflare wrote:On February 07 2015 01:26 marvellosity wrote:
his rsoul read came subsequently, pretty obviously, and yours didn't
so. Rsoul has been in his poe list and someone he could have lynched the entire game and he barely ever commented on her Like it doesn't matter anyway because his read is totally irrelevant if you read the deadline and if it's his only proper read this game when it should be pretty damn easy to poe the majority of mafia then he doesn't have much hope Another lie. He said this when I had just poe'ed the mafia team a few posts before this. Still going on about how I read rsoultin which has nothing to do with my argument against him. On February 07 2015 07:20 Holyflare wrote:
which is a pain because my effort level is low and i know jat is just going to whine and make it difficult to lynch him He knows I am town and won't let myself be mislynched without putting up a fight. The first point here is the one that makes my skin crawl. Jat demonstrably didn't have a strong preference for either SL or Onegu at EoD, but he did clearly think Damdred wasn't scum while trying to argue marv and palmar off Damdred's wagon. Who in this thread thinks that's gonna happen? lol Yet when it comes down to it he doesn't switch to Onegu to protect his townread. This is exactly how I caught Celestial several games ago. The second point is fine, but not strong. People have bad reasons to scumread people (see Eden's read on my emoticons) all the time. The third is just wrong because SL was not going to be the lynch Day 1. Tie that back into 1. Four I'd have to check, cause I don't remember jat's poe precisely, though I do remember a lot of people saying that poe simply reflected thread sentiment and was yawn-worthy. Five is a useless point anyway. It just assumes that HF is scum. And if you look at every single one of these points they're not actually about HF being scum, but rather jat defending himself from HF's points, and yet people are calling this a case on HF? You guys are seeing lots of text and calling it good. I just see jat trying to point the finger back at HF because he knows the lynch is going to be between him and HF today, and town loves to fall for these longass cases without really reading them.
So what?
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So his case is a bunch of hot air.
It doesn't prove anything, and it's hardly good like everyone keeps saying it is.
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On February 08 2015 03:42 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2015 03:38 rsoultin wrote:On February 07 2015 23:43 justanothertownie wrote:Ok, so first of all HF is one of the best if not the best scum player on this site. You won't catch him for being inactive uninteresting or any of this shit and he will bus teammates who are playing badly. He will say towny stuff from time to time and he is also perfectly able to "mindmeld" with you at times. You need to look for the agenda he is pushing. This is why he is mafia: This is the start of his rsoultin scumread day1. From now on she is basically his #1 scumread. On February 05 2015 07:03 Holyflare wrote:
I mean if i'm honest I'm probably more sure about rs than damdy On February 05 2015 07:20 Holyflare wrote:
yeh rsoul is green when I just gave the best case against her ever On February 05 2015 09:20 Holyflare wrote:
rs is like the biggest mafia and hardly anyone is mentioning her and goes off making cases on other people instead On February 05 2015 10:10 Holyflare wrote:On February 05 2015 10:07 Eden1892 wrote:
And shit you said Damdred got more townie. So even if rsoultin didn't, it's bullshit that you're telling me you still have a scumread and so you're content with being lazy. it is what it is, rsoul has literally posted nothing all game and it hasn't really changed i don't care what your gut tells you or not On February 06 2015 02:50 Holyflare wrote:On February 06 2015 02:45 batsnacks wrote:On February 06 2015 02:43 Holyflare wrote:
I'm at a crossroads between just not giving a crap about the game and giving a modicum of care towards the game with an emphasis on the former and it's somewhat annoying to me.
Nobody even mentioned me other than eden and i haven't even done anything this game really which is super boring and probably means mafia is the weaker players. I'd vote you if that makes you feel better. Breshke though... Really... I'm more inclined to vote rs tbh But when the deadline comes nearer and people are not all about lynching rsoultin he completely forgets about the read. He isn't decided on who to lynch and has MULTIPLE different targets suddenly that he keeps pushing really hard: On February 06 2015 07:52 Holyflare wrote:
let's kill oneguuuuuuuuuu
if i'm wrong you can flame me for wasting your time On February 06 2015 07:56 Holyflare wrote:
abandon wagon ABANDON WAGON
SHEEP TO DAMDRED OR I LYNCH YOU TOMORROW On February 06 2015 07:57 Holyflare wrote:
god this breshke is actually 100% mafia or something Notice how ALL of those are town and he can jump between them as much as he wants if he is mafia. No mention of rsoulting ever during all of this. So what has rsoultin done to make him forget about her? The answer is absolutely nothing. She disappeared like he will say himself later. Ok, so mislynch accomplished. Back to scumreading rsoultin immediately: On February 06 2015 08:24 Holyflare wrote:
it's funny how rsoul just appeared at deadline to vote onegu and then completely disappeared again so probably 100% breshke/jat/rsoul So, I point this out and this is his reaction: On February 07 2015 01:15 Holyflare wrote:
How have I treated rs? I've thought she was mafia all game and at deadline onegu was way more convincing mafia but then he wasn't mafia so i went back to talking about rs being mafia? Then where was this read during eod? He literally went after 3 other people and said nothing about her. If you want to know how town HF handles his scumreads eod look at void mafia. He scumread HTS and pushed her hard even though noone else really was up for it besides Kelsier. He didn't give a fuck about other targets - he pushed HIS scumread. Now he claimes he scumread rsoulting all game and then he does nothing about getting her lynched? There is no way town HF does this. He is INSISTING that he never dropped his rsoultin reads though: On February 07 2015 01:24 Holyflare wrote:
No it's not he said my read progression is damning because I drop it when I haven't And then the real gem comes: On February 07 2015 02:00 Holyflare wrote:
I'm also going to preemptively defend myself from a jat onslaught by saying i wasn't invested in this game at all until deadline so my rs read isn't very concrete compared to reads i was making in real time then. Seeing as I was mostly trolling, apart from the nagging what if on damdred. Not only can you easily see the guilty conscience - he knows I am town and that I caught him and will push him - but SUDDENLY HIS READ WASN'T VERY CONCRETE? Read the posts I quoted earlier again and decide for yourself if you want to believe this and keep in mind that he "scumread rsoultin all game" and "never dropped the read". This guy is mafia. I will show more reasons but this rsoultin read evolution is damning enough on it's own and I don't want the post to get too big. Okay, so, the argument is that I'm HF's scummate playing badly. Let's just stop pretending jat is trying to say anything else here. HF scumreads me most of the night, then when I'm not in the thread actually doing anything and a lot of other people are, and yes, are acting more scummy than my being inactive could ever be, HF switches to them. Can he do that as town or scum? Yes. Does that mean he ever stopped thinking I was scum if he was town? No, it doesn't. Does him picking me back up when all his scumreads flipped town make him scum? Uh...no, cause as town if he's racking and stacking scumreads and I'm number 3 or 4 on the list, the others flip town, of course he turns back to scumreading me. There is nothing in this long line of quotes that makes HF scum. At best it's null. The bolded. That is the stupidest bullshit I heard in a long time. There is also no way you are number 4 on his list after what he said about you earlier.
To explain: He explicitly called you scum for being inactive at eod later. He also had a post where he said you got scummier with every second passing. So you being inactive should only strengthen his scumread on you.
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On February 08 2015 03:57 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2015 03:42 justanothertownie wrote:On February 08 2015 03:38 rsoultin wrote:On February 07 2015 23:43 justanothertownie wrote:Ok, so first of all HF is one of the best if not the best scum player on this site. You won't catch him for being inactive uninteresting or any of this shit and he will bus teammates who are playing badly. He will say towny stuff from time to time and he is also perfectly able to "mindmeld" with you at times. You need to look for the agenda he is pushing. This is why he is mafia: This is the start of his rsoultin scumread day1. From now on she is basically his #1 scumread. On February 05 2015 07:03 Holyflare wrote:
I mean if i'm honest I'm probably more sure about rs than damdy On February 05 2015 07:20 Holyflare wrote:
yeh rsoul is green when I just gave the best case against her ever On February 05 2015 09:20 Holyflare wrote:
rs is like the biggest mafia and hardly anyone is mentioning her and goes off making cases on other people instead On February 05 2015 10:10 Holyflare wrote:On February 05 2015 10:07 Eden1892 wrote:
And shit you said Damdred got more townie. So even if rsoultin didn't, it's bullshit that you're telling me you still have a scumread and so you're content with being lazy. it is what it is, rsoul has literally posted nothing all game and it hasn't really changed i don't care what your gut tells you or not On February 06 2015 02:50 Holyflare wrote:On February 06 2015 02:45 batsnacks wrote:On February 06 2015 02:43 Holyflare wrote:
I'm at a crossroads between just not giving a crap about the game and giving a modicum of care towards the game with an emphasis on the former and it's somewhat annoying to me.
Nobody even mentioned me other than eden and i haven't even done anything this game really which is super boring and probably means mafia is the weaker players. I'd vote you if that makes you feel better. Breshke though... Really... I'm more inclined to vote rs tbh But when the deadline comes nearer and people are not all about lynching rsoultin he completely forgets about the read. He isn't decided on who to lynch and has MULTIPLE different targets suddenly that he keeps pushing really hard: On February 06 2015 07:52 Holyflare wrote:
let's kill oneguuuuuuuuuu
if i'm wrong you can flame me for wasting your time On February 06 2015 07:56 Holyflare wrote:
abandon wagon ABANDON WAGON
SHEEP TO DAMDRED OR I LYNCH YOU TOMORROW On February 06 2015 07:57 Holyflare wrote:
god this breshke is actually 100% mafia or something Notice how ALL of those are town and he can jump between them as much as he wants if he is mafia. No mention of rsoulting ever during all of this. So what has rsoultin done to make him forget about her? The answer is absolutely nothing. She disappeared like he will say himself later. Ok, so mislynch accomplished. Back to scumreading rsoultin immediately: On February 06 2015 08:24 Holyflare wrote:
it's funny how rsoul just appeared at deadline to vote onegu and then completely disappeared again so probably 100% breshke/jat/rsoul So, I point this out and this is his reaction: On February 07 2015 01:15 Holyflare wrote:
How have I treated rs? I've thought she was mafia all game and at deadline onegu was way more convincing mafia but then he wasn't mafia so i went back to talking about rs being mafia? Then where was this read during eod? He literally went after 3 other people and said nothing about her. If you want to know how town HF handles his scumreads eod look at void mafia. He scumread HTS and pushed her hard even though noone else really was up for it besides Kelsier. He didn't give a fuck about other targets - he pushed HIS scumread. Now he claimes he scumread rsoulting all game and then he does nothing about getting her lynched? There is no way town HF does this. He is INSISTING that he never dropped his rsoultin reads though: On February 07 2015 01:24 Holyflare wrote:
No it's not he said my read progression is damning because I drop it when I haven't And then the real gem comes: On February 07 2015 02:00 Holyflare wrote:
I'm also going to preemptively defend myself from a jat onslaught by saying i wasn't invested in this game at all until deadline so my rs read isn't very concrete compared to reads i was making in real time then. Seeing as I was mostly trolling, apart from the nagging what if on damdred. Not only can you easily see the guilty conscience - he knows I am town and that I caught him and will push him - but SUDDENLY HIS READ WASN'T VERY CONCRETE? Read the posts I quoted earlier again and decide for yourself if you want to believe this and keep in mind that he "scumread rsoultin all game" and "never dropped the read". This guy is mafia. I will show more reasons but this rsoultin read evolution is damning enough on it's own and I don't want the post to get too big. Okay, so, the argument is that I'm HF's scummate playing badly. Let's just stop pretending jat is trying to say anything else here. HF scumreads me most of the night, then when I'm not in the thread actually doing anything and a lot of other people are, and yes, are acting more scummy than my being inactive could ever be, HF switches to them. Can he do that as town or scum? Yes. Does that mean he ever stopped thinking I was scum if he was town? No, it doesn't. Does him picking me back up when all his scumreads flipped town make him scum? Uh...no, cause as town if he's racking and stacking scumreads and I'm number 3 or 4 on the list, the others flip town, of course he turns back to scumreading me. There is nothing in this long line of quotes that makes HF scum. At best it's null. The bolded. That is the stupidest bullshit I heard in a long time. There is also no way you are number 4 on his list after what he said about you earlier. To explain: He explicitly called you scum for being inactive at eod later. He also had a post where he said you got scummier with every second passing. So you being inactive should only strengthen his scumread on you.
So? That was still after all his other scumreads flipped town, and still was completely based on my activity level. Try again.
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On February 08 2015 03:47 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On February 07 2015 23:51 justanothertownie wrote:On February 06 2015 08:51 Holyflare wrote:
pretty sure a town jat would have switched to onegu when I was pushing for it Then we have this reasoning for scumreading me which makes no sense in the first place since I had more reasons to scumread SL than Onegu but even if we ignore this - why would I as scum make myself look bad by not following town marv and HF around (which I have done as scum before) if all lynch targets are town anyways and I could just switch as often as I want?On February 06 2015 09:33 Holyflare wrote:
yeh mafia is undeniably palmar or jat because they are just the type of people to qq in their scum qt/pms about modkilling I already commented on this post. It is just another awful reason to push me. On February 06 2015 13:43 Holyflare wrote:
I'm still 100% lynching jat though he's done a void all over again where he avoids all the wagons and reasoning while still agreeing with it. He did the exact same thing in heavyweight too. Flat out lying when I clearly WAS on one of the wagons and was also pushing it. Saying I avoided wagons in heavyweight is also a straight lie.Then his defense against me: On February 07 2015 01:25 Holyflare wrote:
It's absolutely not irrelevant because do you see him talking about rsoul at deadline? Absolutely not so if he is town then why does his read make sense to him when he did the same thing? This is absolutely irrelevant. I was not the one pushing rsoulting as my top scumread. On February 07 2015 01:32 Holyflare wrote:On February 07 2015 01:26 marvellosity wrote:
his rsoul read came subsequently, pretty obviously, and yours didn't
so. Rsoul has been in his poe list and someone he could have lynched the entire game and he barely ever commented on her Like it doesn't matter anyway because his read is totally irrelevant if you read the deadline and if it's his only proper read this game when it should be pretty damn easy to poe the majority of mafia then he doesn't have much hope Another lie. He said this when I had just poe'ed the mafia team a few posts before this. Still going on about how I read rsoultin which has nothing to do with my argument against him. On February 07 2015 07:20 Holyflare wrote:
which is a pain because my effort level is low and i know jat is just going to whine and make it difficult to lynch him He knows I am town and won't let myself be mislynched without putting up a fight. The first point here is the one that makes my skin crawl. Jat demonstrably didn't have a strong preference for either SL or Onegu at EoD, but he did clearly think Damdred wasn't scum while trying to argue marv and palmar off Damdred's wagon. Who in this thread thinks that's gonna happen? lol Yet when it comes down to it he doesn't switch to Onegu to protect his townread. This is exactly how I caught Celestial several games ago. The second point is fine, but not strong. People have bad reasons to scumread people (see Eden's read on my emoticons) all the time. The third is just wrong because SL was not going to be the lynch Day 1. Tie that back into 1. Four I'd have to check, cause I don't remember jat's poe precisely, though I do remember a lot of people saying that poe simply reflected thread sentiment and was yawn-worthy. Five is a useless point anyway. It just assumes that HF is scum. And if you look at every single one of these points they're not actually about HF being scum, but rather jat defending himself from HF's points, and yet people are calling this a case on HF? You guys are seeing lots of text and calling it good. I just see jat trying to point the finger back at HF because he knows the lynch is going to be between him and HF today, and town loves to fall for these longass cases without really reading them.
How can you say SL was not going to be the lynch when he in fact almost was the lynch? And if I think Palmar and marv are wrong am I supposed to just accept that they mislynch my townread? What a load of crap.
The poe people were talking about was day1. I made a different one night1. btw.
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On February 08 2015 03:59 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2015 03:57 justanothertownie wrote:On February 08 2015 03:42 justanothertownie wrote:On February 08 2015 03:38 rsoultin wrote:On February 07 2015 23:43 justanothertownie wrote:Ok, so first of all HF is one of the best if not the best scum player on this site. You won't catch him for being inactive uninteresting or any of this shit and he will bus teammates who are playing badly. He will say towny stuff from time to time and he is also perfectly able to "mindmeld" with you at times. You need to look for the agenda he is pushing. This is why he is mafia: This is the start of his rsoultin scumread day1. From now on she is basically his #1 scumread. On February 05 2015 07:03 Holyflare wrote:
I mean if i'm honest I'm probably more sure about rs than damdy On February 05 2015 07:20 Holyflare wrote:
yeh rsoul is green when I just gave the best case against her ever On February 05 2015 09:20 Holyflare wrote:
rs is like the biggest mafia and hardly anyone is mentioning her and goes off making cases on other people instead On February 05 2015 10:10 Holyflare wrote:On February 05 2015 10:07 Eden1892 wrote:
And shit you said Damdred got more townie. So even if rsoultin didn't, it's bullshit that you're telling me you still have a scumread and so you're content with being lazy. it is what it is, rsoul has literally posted nothing all game and it hasn't really changed i don't care what your gut tells you or not On February 06 2015 02:50 Holyflare wrote:On February 06 2015 02:45 batsnacks wrote:On February 06 2015 02:43 Holyflare wrote:
I'm at a crossroads between just not giving a crap about the game and giving a modicum of care towards the game with an emphasis on the former and it's somewhat annoying to me.
Nobody even mentioned me other than eden and i haven't even done anything this game really which is super boring and probably means mafia is the weaker players. I'd vote you if that makes you feel better. Breshke though... Really... I'm more inclined to vote rs tbh But when the deadline comes nearer and people are not all about lynching rsoultin he completely forgets about the read. He isn't decided on who to lynch and has MULTIPLE different targets suddenly that he keeps pushing really hard: On February 06 2015 07:52 Holyflare wrote:
let's kill oneguuuuuuuuuu
if i'm wrong you can flame me for wasting your time On February 06 2015 07:56 Holyflare wrote:
abandon wagon ABANDON WAGON
SHEEP TO DAMDRED OR I LYNCH YOU TOMORROW On February 06 2015 07:57 Holyflare wrote:
god this breshke is actually 100% mafia or something Notice how ALL of those are town and he can jump between them as much as he wants if he is mafia. No mention of rsoulting ever during all of this. So what has rsoultin done to make him forget about her? The answer is absolutely nothing. She disappeared like he will say himself later. Ok, so mislynch accomplished. Back to scumreading rsoultin immediately: On February 06 2015 08:24 Holyflare wrote:
it's funny how rsoul just appeared at deadline to vote onegu and then completely disappeared again so probably 100% breshke/jat/rsoul So, I point this out and this is his reaction: On February 07 2015 01:15 Holyflare wrote:
How have I treated rs? I've thought she was mafia all game and at deadline onegu was way more convincing mafia but then he wasn't mafia so i went back to talking about rs being mafia? Then where was this read during eod? He literally went after 3 other people and said nothing about her. If you want to know how town HF handles his scumreads eod look at void mafia. He scumread HTS and pushed her hard even though noone else really was up for it besides Kelsier. He didn't give a fuck about other targets - he pushed HIS scumread. Now he claimes he scumread rsoulting all game and then he does nothing about getting her lynched? There is no way town HF does this. He is INSISTING that he never dropped his rsoultin reads though: On February 07 2015 01:24 Holyflare wrote:
No it's not he said my read progression is damning because I drop it when I haven't And then the real gem comes: On February 07 2015 02:00 Holyflare wrote:
I'm also going to preemptively defend myself from a jat onslaught by saying i wasn't invested in this game at all until deadline so my rs read isn't very concrete compared to reads i was making in real time then. Seeing as I was mostly trolling, apart from the nagging what if on damdred. Not only can you easily see the guilty conscience - he knows I am town and that I caught him and will push him - but SUDDENLY HIS READ WASN'T VERY CONCRETE? Read the posts I quoted earlier again and decide for yourself if you want to believe this and keep in mind that he "scumread rsoultin all game" and "never dropped the read". This guy is mafia. I will show more reasons but this rsoultin read evolution is damning enough on it's own and I don't want the post to get too big. Okay, so, the argument is that I'm HF's scummate playing badly. Let's just stop pretending jat is trying to say anything else here. HF scumreads me most of the night, then when I'm not in the thread actually doing anything and a lot of other people are, and yes, are acting more scummy than my being inactive could ever be, HF switches to them. Can he do that as town or scum? Yes. Does that mean he ever stopped thinking I was scum if he was town? No, it doesn't. Does him picking me back up when all his scumreads flipped town make him scum? Uh...no, cause as town if he's racking and stacking scumreads and I'm number 3 or 4 on the list, the others flip town, of course he turns back to scumreading me. There is nothing in this long line of quotes that makes HF scum. At best it's null. The bolded. That is the stupidest bullshit I heard in a long time. There is also no way you are number 4 on his list after what he said about you earlier. To explain: He explicitly called you scum for being inactive at eod later. He also had a post where he said you got scummier with every second passing. So you being inactive should only strengthen his scumread on you. So? That was still after all his other scumreads flipped town, and still was completely based on my activity level. Try again.
wat
He called you scum for being absent BEFORE THE LYNCH. And even if he wasn't he SHOULD HAVE scumread you even more instead of less.
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On February 08 2015 03:50 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2015 03:42 justanothertownie wrote:On February 08 2015 03:38 rsoultin wrote:On February 07 2015 23:43 justanothertownie wrote:Ok, so first of all HF is one of the best if not the best scum player on this site. You won't catch him for being inactive uninteresting or any of this shit and he will bus teammates who are playing badly. He will say towny stuff from time to time and he is also perfectly able to "mindmeld" with you at times. You need to look for the agenda he is pushing. This is why he is mafia: This is the start of his rsoultin scumread day1. From now on she is basically his #1 scumread. On February 05 2015 07:03 Holyflare wrote:
I mean if i'm honest I'm probably more sure about rs than damdy On February 05 2015 07:20 Holyflare wrote:
yeh rsoul is green when I just gave the best case against her ever On February 05 2015 09:20 Holyflare wrote:
rs is like the biggest mafia and hardly anyone is mentioning her and goes off making cases on other people instead On February 05 2015 10:10 Holyflare wrote:On February 05 2015 10:07 Eden1892 wrote:
And shit you said Damdred got more townie. So even if rsoultin didn't, it's bullshit that you're telling me you still have a scumread and so you're content with being lazy. it is what it is, rsoul has literally posted nothing all game and it hasn't really changed i don't care what your gut tells you or not On February 06 2015 02:50 Holyflare wrote:On February 06 2015 02:45 batsnacks wrote:On February 06 2015 02:43 Holyflare wrote:
I'm at a crossroads between just not giving a crap about the game and giving a modicum of care towards the game with an emphasis on the former and it's somewhat annoying to me.
Nobody even mentioned me other than eden and i haven't even done anything this game really which is super boring and probably means mafia is the weaker players. I'd vote you if that makes you feel better. Breshke though... Really... I'm more inclined to vote rs tbh But when the deadline comes nearer and people are not all about lynching rsoultin he completely forgets about the read. He isn't decided on who to lynch and has MULTIPLE different targets suddenly that he keeps pushing really hard: On February 06 2015 07:52 Holyflare wrote:
let's kill oneguuuuuuuuuu
if i'm wrong you can flame me for wasting your time On February 06 2015 07:56 Holyflare wrote:
abandon wagon ABANDON WAGON
SHEEP TO DAMDRED OR I LYNCH YOU TOMORROW On February 06 2015 07:57 Holyflare wrote:
god this breshke is actually 100% mafia or something Notice how ALL of those are town and he can jump between them as much as he wants if he is mafia. No mention of rsoulting ever during all of this. So what has rsoultin done to make him forget about her? The answer is absolutely nothing. She disappeared like he will say himself later. Ok, so mislynch accomplished. Back to scumreading rsoultin immediately: On February 06 2015 08:24 Holyflare wrote:
it's funny how rsoul just appeared at deadline to vote onegu and then completely disappeared again so probably 100% breshke/jat/rsoul So, I point this out and this is his reaction: On February 07 2015 01:15 Holyflare wrote:
How have I treated rs? I've thought she was mafia all game and at deadline onegu was way more convincing mafia but then he wasn't mafia so i went back to talking about rs being mafia? Then where was this read during eod? He literally went after 3 other people and said nothing about her. If you want to know how town HF handles his scumreads eod look at void mafia. He scumread HTS and pushed her hard even though noone else really was up for it besides Kelsier. He didn't give a fuck about other targets - he pushed HIS scumread. Now he claimes he scumread rsoulting all game and then he does nothing about getting her lynched? There is no way town HF does this. He is INSISTING that he never dropped his rsoultin reads though: On February 07 2015 01:24 Holyflare wrote:
No it's not he said my read progression is damning because I drop it when I haven't And then the real gem comes: On February 07 2015 02:00 Holyflare wrote:
I'm also going to preemptively defend myself from a jat onslaught by saying i wasn't invested in this game at all until deadline so my rs read isn't very concrete compared to reads i was making in real time then. Seeing as I was mostly trolling, apart from the nagging what if on damdred. Not only can you easily see the guilty conscience - he knows I am town and that I caught him and will push him - but SUDDENLY HIS READ WASN'T VERY CONCRETE? Read the posts I quoted earlier again and decide for yourself if you want to believe this and keep in mind that he "scumread rsoultin all game" and "never dropped the read". This guy is mafia. I will show more reasons but this rsoultin read evolution is damning enough on it's own and I don't want the post to get too big. Okay, so, the argument is that I'm HF's scummate playing badly. Let's just stop pretending jat is trying to say anything else here. HF scumreads me most of the night, then when I'm not in the thread actually doing anything and a lot of other people are, and yes, are acting more scummy than my being inactive could ever be, HF switches to them. Can he do that as town or scum? Yes. Does that mean he ever stopped thinking I was scum if he was town? No, it doesn't. Does him picking me back up when all his scumreads flipped town make him scum? Uh...no, cause as town if he's racking and stacking scumreads and I'm number 3 or 4 on the list, the others flip town, of course he turns back to scumreading me. There is nothing in this long line of quotes that makes HF scum. At best it's null. The bolded. That is the stupidest bullshit I heard in a long time. There is also no way you are number 4 on his list after what he said about you earlier. I was a policy lynch at best, jat. Stop kidding yourself.
Tempted to just lynch you first tbh.
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On February 08 2015 04:00 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2015 03:50 rsoultin wrote:On February 08 2015 03:42 justanothertownie wrote:On February 08 2015 03:38 rsoultin wrote:On February 07 2015 23:43 justanothertownie wrote:Ok, so first of all HF is one of the best if not the best scum player on this site. You won't catch him for being inactive uninteresting or any of this shit and he will bus teammates who are playing badly. He will say towny stuff from time to time and he is also perfectly able to "mindmeld" with you at times. You need to look for the agenda he is pushing. This is why he is mafia: This is the start of his rsoultin scumread day1. From now on she is basically his #1 scumread. On February 05 2015 07:03 Holyflare wrote:
I mean if i'm honest I'm probably more sure about rs than damdy On February 05 2015 07:20 Holyflare wrote:
yeh rsoul is green when I just gave the best case against her ever On February 05 2015 09:20 Holyflare wrote:
rs is like the biggest mafia and hardly anyone is mentioning her and goes off making cases on other people instead On February 05 2015 10:10 Holyflare wrote:On February 05 2015 10:07 Eden1892 wrote:
And shit you said Damdred got more townie. So even if rsoultin didn't, it's bullshit that you're telling me you still have a scumread and so you're content with being lazy. it is what it is, rsoul has literally posted nothing all game and it hasn't really changed i don't care what your gut tells you or not On February 06 2015 02:50 Holyflare wrote:On February 06 2015 02:45 batsnacks wrote:On February 06 2015 02:43 Holyflare wrote:
I'm at a crossroads between just not giving a crap about the game and giving a modicum of care towards the game with an emphasis on the former and it's somewhat annoying to me.
Nobody even mentioned me other than eden and i haven't even done anything this game really which is super boring and probably means mafia is the weaker players. I'd vote you if that makes you feel better. Breshke though... Really... I'm more inclined to vote rs tbh But when the deadline comes nearer and people are not all about lynching rsoultin he completely forgets about the read. He isn't decided on who to lynch and has MULTIPLE different targets suddenly that he keeps pushing really hard: On February 06 2015 07:52 Holyflare wrote:
let's kill oneguuuuuuuuuu
if i'm wrong you can flame me for wasting your time On February 06 2015 07:56 Holyflare wrote:
abandon wagon ABANDON WAGON
SHEEP TO DAMDRED OR I LYNCH YOU TOMORROW On February 06 2015 07:57 Holyflare wrote:
god this breshke is actually 100% mafia or something Notice how ALL of those are town and he can jump between them as much as he wants if he is mafia. No mention of rsoulting ever during all of this. So what has rsoultin done to make him forget about her? The answer is absolutely nothing. She disappeared like he will say himself later. Ok, so mislynch accomplished. Back to scumreading rsoultin immediately: On February 06 2015 08:24 Holyflare wrote:
it's funny how rsoul just appeared at deadline to vote onegu and then completely disappeared again so probably 100% breshke/jat/rsoul So, I point this out and this is his reaction: On February 07 2015 01:15 Holyflare wrote:
How have I treated rs? I've thought she was mafia all game and at deadline onegu was way more convincing mafia but then he wasn't mafia so i went back to talking about rs being mafia? Then where was this read during eod? He literally went after 3 other people and said nothing about her. If you want to know how town HF handles his scumreads eod look at void mafia. He scumread HTS and pushed her hard even though noone else really was up for it besides Kelsier. He didn't give a fuck about other targets - he pushed HIS scumread. Now he claimes he scumread rsoulting all game and then he does nothing about getting her lynched? There is no way town HF does this. He is INSISTING that he never dropped his rsoultin reads though: On February 07 2015 01:24 Holyflare wrote:
No it's not he said my read progression is damning because I drop it when I haven't And then the real gem comes: On February 07 2015 02:00 Holyflare wrote:
I'm also going to preemptively defend myself from a jat onslaught by saying i wasn't invested in this game at all until deadline so my rs read isn't very concrete compared to reads i was making in real time then. Seeing as I was mostly trolling, apart from the nagging what if on damdred. Not only can you easily see the guilty conscience - he knows I am town and that I caught him and will push him - but SUDDENLY HIS READ WASN'T VERY CONCRETE? Read the posts I quoted earlier again and decide for yourself if you want to believe this and keep in mind that he "scumread rsoultin all game" and "never dropped the read". This guy is mafia. I will show more reasons but this rsoultin read evolution is damning enough on it's own and I don't want the post to get too big. Okay, so, the argument is that I'm HF's scummate playing badly. Let's just stop pretending jat is trying to say anything else here. HF scumreads me most of the night, then when I'm not in the thread actually doing anything and a lot of other people are, and yes, are acting more scummy than my being inactive could ever be, HF switches to them. Can he do that as town or scum? Yes. Does that mean he ever stopped thinking I was scum if he was town? No, it doesn't. Does him picking me back up when all his scumreads flipped town make him scum? Uh...no, cause as town if he's racking and stacking scumreads and I'm number 3 or 4 on the list, the others flip town, of course he turns back to scumreading me. There is nothing in this long line of quotes that makes HF scum. At best it's null. The bolded. That is the stupidest bullshit I heard in a long time. There is also no way you are number 4 on his list after what he said about you earlier. I was a policy lynch at best, jat. Stop kidding yourself. Tempted to just lynch you first tbh.
Don't do it jat. She's done more than HF today.
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On February 08 2015 03:50 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2015 03:42 justanothertownie wrote:On February 08 2015 03:38 rsoultin wrote:On February 07 2015 23:43 justanothertownie wrote:Ok, so first of all HF is one of the best if not the best scum player on this site. You won't catch him for being inactive uninteresting or any of this shit and he will bus teammates who are playing badly. He will say towny stuff from time to time and he is also perfectly able to "mindmeld" with you at times. You need to look for the agenda he is pushing. This is why he is mafia: This is the start of his rsoultin scumread day1. From now on she is basically his #1 scumread. On February 05 2015 07:03 Holyflare wrote:
I mean if i'm honest I'm probably more sure about rs than damdy On February 05 2015 07:20 Holyflare wrote:
yeh rsoul is green when I just gave the best case against her ever On February 05 2015 09:20 Holyflare wrote:
rs is like the biggest mafia and hardly anyone is mentioning her and goes off making cases on other people instead On February 05 2015 10:10 Holyflare wrote:On February 05 2015 10:07 Eden1892 wrote:
And shit you said Damdred got more townie. So even if rsoultin didn't, it's bullshit that you're telling me you still have a scumread and so you're content with being lazy. it is what it is, rsoul has literally posted nothing all game and it hasn't really changed i don't care what your gut tells you or not On February 06 2015 02:50 Holyflare wrote:On February 06 2015 02:45 batsnacks wrote:On February 06 2015 02:43 Holyflare wrote:
I'm at a crossroads between just not giving a crap about the game and giving a modicum of care towards the game with an emphasis on the former and it's somewhat annoying to me.
Nobody even mentioned me other than eden and i haven't even done anything this game really which is super boring and probably means mafia is the weaker players. I'd vote you if that makes you feel better. Breshke though... Really... I'm more inclined to vote rs tbh But when the deadline comes nearer and people are not all about lynching rsoultin he completely forgets about the read. He isn't decided on who to lynch and has MULTIPLE different targets suddenly that he keeps pushing really hard: On February 06 2015 07:52 Holyflare wrote:
let's kill oneguuuuuuuuuu
if i'm wrong you can flame me for wasting your time On February 06 2015 07:56 Holyflare wrote:
abandon wagon ABANDON WAGON
SHEEP TO DAMDRED OR I LYNCH YOU TOMORROW On February 06 2015 07:57 Holyflare wrote:
god this breshke is actually 100% mafia or something Notice how ALL of those are town and he can jump between them as much as he wants if he is mafia. No mention of rsoulting ever during all of this. So what has rsoultin done to make him forget about her? The answer is absolutely nothing. She disappeared like he will say himself later. Ok, so mislynch accomplished. Back to scumreading rsoultin immediately: On February 06 2015 08:24 Holyflare wrote:
it's funny how rsoul just appeared at deadline to vote onegu and then completely disappeared again so probably 100% breshke/jat/rsoul So, I point this out and this is his reaction: On February 07 2015 01:15 Holyflare wrote:
How have I treated rs? I've thought she was mafia all game and at deadline onegu was way more convincing mafia but then he wasn't mafia so i went back to talking about rs being mafia? Then where was this read during eod? He literally went after 3 other people and said nothing about her. If you want to know how town HF handles his scumreads eod look at void mafia. He scumread HTS and pushed her hard even though noone else really was up for it besides Kelsier. He didn't give a fuck about other targets - he pushed HIS scumread. Now he claimes he scumread rsoulting all game and then he does nothing about getting her lynched? There is no way town HF does this. He is INSISTING that he never dropped his rsoultin reads though: On February 07 2015 01:24 Holyflare wrote:
No it's not he said my read progression is damning because I drop it when I haven't And then the real gem comes: On February 07 2015 02:00 Holyflare wrote:
I'm also going to preemptively defend myself from a jat onslaught by saying i wasn't invested in this game at all until deadline so my rs read isn't very concrete compared to reads i was making in real time then. Seeing as I was mostly trolling, apart from the nagging what if on damdred. Not only can you easily see the guilty conscience - he knows I am town and that I caught him and will push him - but SUDDENLY HIS READ WASN'T VERY CONCRETE? Read the posts I quoted earlier again and decide for yourself if you want to believe this and keep in mind that he "scumread rsoultin all game" and "never dropped the read". This guy is mafia. I will show more reasons but this rsoultin read evolution is damning enough on it's own and I don't want the post to get too big. Okay, so, the argument is that I'm HF's scummate playing badly. Let's just stop pretending jat is trying to say anything else here. HF scumreads me most of the night, then when I'm not in the thread actually doing anything and a lot of other people are, and yes, are acting more scummy than my being inactive could ever be, HF switches to them. Can he do that as town or scum? Yes. Does that mean he ever stopped thinking I was scum if he was town? No, it doesn't. Does him picking me back up when all his scumreads flipped town make him scum? Uh...no, cause as town if he's racking and stacking scumreads and I'm number 3 or 4 on the list, the others flip town, of course he turns back to scumreading me. There is nothing in this long line of quotes that makes HF scum. At best it's null. The bolded. That is the stupidest bullshit I heard in a long time. There is also no way you are number 4 on his list after what he said about you earlier. I was a policy lynch at best, jat. Stop kidding yourself.
no, HF's push on you was never policy.
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On February 08 2015 03:59 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2015 03:47 rsoultin wrote:On February 07 2015 23:51 justanothertownie wrote:On February 06 2015 08:51 Holyflare wrote:
pretty sure a town jat would have switched to onegu when I was pushing for it Then we have this reasoning for scumreading me which makes no sense in the first place since I had more reasons to scumread SL than Onegu but even if we ignore this - why would I as scum make myself look bad by not following town marv and HF around (which I have done as scum before) if all lynch targets are town anyways and I could just switch as often as I want?On February 06 2015 09:33 Holyflare wrote:
yeh mafia is undeniably palmar or jat because they are just the type of people to qq in their scum qt/pms about modkilling I already commented on this post. It is just another awful reason to push me. On February 06 2015 13:43 Holyflare wrote:
I'm still 100% lynching jat though he's done a void all over again where he avoids all the wagons and reasoning while still agreeing with it. He did the exact same thing in heavyweight too. Flat out lying when I clearly WAS on one of the wagons and was also pushing it. Saying I avoided wagons in heavyweight is also a straight lie.Then his defense against me: On February 07 2015 01:25 Holyflare wrote:
It's absolutely not irrelevant because do you see him talking about rsoul at deadline? Absolutely not so if he is town then why does his read make sense to him when he did the same thing? This is absolutely irrelevant. I was not the one pushing rsoulting as my top scumread. On February 07 2015 01:32 Holyflare wrote:On February 07 2015 01:26 marvellosity wrote:
his rsoul read came subsequently, pretty obviously, and yours didn't
so. Rsoul has been in his poe list and someone he could have lynched the entire game and he barely ever commented on her Like it doesn't matter anyway because his read is totally irrelevant if you read the deadline and if it's his only proper read this game when it should be pretty damn easy to poe the majority of mafia then he doesn't have much hope Another lie. He said this when I had just poe'ed the mafia team a few posts before this. Still going on about how I read rsoultin which has nothing to do with my argument against him. On February 07 2015 07:20 Holyflare wrote:
which is a pain because my effort level is low and i know jat is just going to whine and make it difficult to lynch him He knows I am town and won't let myself be mislynched without putting up a fight. The first point here is the one that makes my skin crawl. Jat demonstrably didn't have a strong preference for either SL or Onegu at EoD, but he did clearly think Damdred wasn't scum while trying to argue marv and palmar off Damdred's wagon. Who in this thread thinks that's gonna happen? lol Yet when it comes down to it he doesn't switch to Onegu to protect his townread. This is exactly how I caught Celestial several games ago. The second point is fine, but not strong. People have bad reasons to scumread people (see Eden's read on my emoticons) all the time. The third is just wrong because SL was not going to be the lynch Day 1. Tie that back into 1. Four I'd have to check, cause I don't remember jat's poe precisely, though I do remember a lot of people saying that poe simply reflected thread sentiment and was yawn-worthy. Five is a useless point anyway. It just assumes that HF is scum. And if you look at every single one of these points they're not actually about HF being scum, but rather jat defending himself from HF's points, and yet people are calling this a case on HF? You guys are seeing lots of text and calling it good. I just see jat trying to point the finger back at HF because he knows the lynch is going to be between him and HF today, and town loves to fall for these longass cases without really reading them. How can you say SL was not going to be the lynch when he in fact almost was the lynch? And if I think Palmar and marv are wrong am I supposed to just accept that they mislynch my townread? What a load of crap. The poe people were talking about was day1. I made a different one night1. btw.
Why should I care which poe you want me to read? The poe we're talking about is the one from Day 1 that you're citing in your case xP
No, you're not supposed to accept a mislynch. You're supposed to try to prevent it not just with your words, but also with your actions. In fact, actions always mean more than words. And you were in the thread, so it's not like you didn't know that Onegu and Damdred were the wagons. Stop blowing smoke.
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pretty sure he'd say so himself whether he's town or mafia too.
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On February 05 2015 09:16 Holyflare wrote:
rs is pretty much gaining mafia points every second tbh
This was way before the lynch. Rsoultin was not being active later. Still he didn't scumread her enough to consider lynching her anymore.
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On February 08 2015 04:02 batsnacks wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2015 04:00 justanothertownie wrote:On February 08 2015 03:50 rsoultin wrote:On February 08 2015 03:42 justanothertownie wrote:On February 08 2015 03:38 rsoultin wrote:On February 07 2015 23:43 justanothertownie wrote:Ok, so first of all HF is one of the best if not the best scum player on this site. You won't catch him for being inactive uninteresting or any of this shit and he will bus teammates who are playing badly. He will say towny stuff from time to time and he is also perfectly able to "mindmeld" with you at times. You need to look for the agenda he is pushing. This is why he is mafia: This is the start of his rsoultin scumread day1. From now on she is basically his #1 scumread. On February 05 2015 07:03 Holyflare wrote:
I mean if i'm honest I'm probably more sure about rs than damdy On February 05 2015 07:20 Holyflare wrote:
yeh rsoul is green when I just gave the best case against her ever On February 05 2015 09:20 Holyflare wrote:
rs is like the biggest mafia and hardly anyone is mentioning her and goes off making cases on other people instead On February 05 2015 10:10 Holyflare wrote:On February 05 2015 10:07 Eden1892 wrote:
And shit you said Damdred got more townie. So even if rsoultin didn't, it's bullshit that you're telling me you still have a scumread and so you're content with being lazy. it is what it is, rsoul has literally posted nothing all game and it hasn't really changed i don't care what your gut tells you or not On February 06 2015 02:50 Holyflare wrote:On February 06 2015 02:45 batsnacks wrote:On February 06 2015 02:43 Holyflare wrote:
I'm at a crossroads between just not giving a crap about the game and giving a modicum of care towards the game with an emphasis on the former and it's somewhat annoying to me.
Nobody even mentioned me other than eden and i haven't even done anything this game really which is super boring and probably means mafia is the weaker players. I'd vote you if that makes you feel better. Breshke though... Really... I'm more inclined to vote rs tbh But when the deadline comes nearer and people are not all about lynching rsoultin he completely forgets about the read. He isn't decided on who to lynch and has MULTIPLE different targets suddenly that he keeps pushing really hard: On February 06 2015 07:52 Holyflare wrote:
let's kill oneguuuuuuuuuu
if i'm wrong you can flame me for wasting your time On February 06 2015 07:56 Holyflare wrote:
abandon wagon ABANDON WAGON
SHEEP TO DAMDRED OR I LYNCH YOU TOMORROW On February 06 2015 07:57 Holyflare wrote:
god this breshke is actually 100% mafia or something Notice how ALL of those are town and he can jump between them as much as he wants if he is mafia. No mention of rsoulting ever during all of this. So what has rsoultin done to make him forget about her? The answer is absolutely nothing. She disappeared like he will say himself later. Ok, so mislynch accomplished. Back to scumreading rsoultin immediately: On February 06 2015 08:24 Holyflare wrote:
it's funny how rsoul just appeared at deadline to vote onegu and then completely disappeared again so probably 100% breshke/jat/rsoul So, I point this out and this is his reaction: On February 07 2015 01:15 Holyflare wrote:
How have I treated rs? I've thought she was mafia all game and at deadline onegu was way more convincing mafia but then he wasn't mafia so i went back to talking about rs being mafia? Then where was this read during eod? He literally went after 3 other people and said nothing about her. If you want to know how town HF handles his scumreads eod look at void mafia. He scumread HTS and pushed her hard even though noone else really was up for it besides Kelsier. He didn't give a fuck about other targets - he pushed HIS scumread. Now he claimes he scumread rsoulting all game and then he does nothing about getting her lynched? There is no way town HF does this. He is INSISTING that he never dropped his rsoultin reads though: On February 07 2015 01:24 Holyflare wrote:
No it's not he said my read progression is damning because I drop it when I haven't And then the real gem comes: On February 07 2015 02:00 Holyflare wrote:
I'm also going to preemptively defend myself from a jat onslaught by saying i wasn't invested in this game at all until deadline so my rs read isn't very concrete compared to reads i was making in real time then. Seeing as I was mostly trolling, apart from the nagging what if on damdred. Not only can you easily see the guilty conscience - he knows I am town and that I caught him and will push him - but SUDDENLY HIS READ WASN'T VERY CONCRETE? Read the posts I quoted earlier again and decide for yourself if you want to believe this and keep in mind that he "scumread rsoultin all game" and "never dropped the read". This guy is mafia. I will show more reasons but this rsoultin read evolution is damning enough on it's own and I don't want the post to get too big. Okay, so, the argument is that I'm HF's scummate playing badly. Let's just stop pretending jat is trying to say anything else here. HF scumreads me most of the night, then when I'm not in the thread actually doing anything and a lot of other people are, and yes, are acting more scummy than my being inactive could ever be, HF switches to them. Can he do that as town or scum? Yes. Does that mean he ever stopped thinking I was scum if he was town? No, it doesn't. Does him picking me back up when all his scumreads flipped town make him scum? Uh...no, cause as town if he's racking and stacking scumreads and I'm number 3 or 4 on the list, the others flip town, of course he turns back to scumreading me. There is nothing in this long line of quotes that makes HF scum. At best it's null. The bolded. That is the stupidest bullshit I heard in a long time. There is also no way you are number 4 on his list after what he said about you earlier. I was a policy lynch at best, jat. Stop kidding yourself. Tempted to just lynch you first tbh. Don't do it jat. She's done more than HF today.
True.
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On February 08 2015 04:03 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2015 03:59 justanothertownie wrote:On February 08 2015 03:47 rsoultin wrote:On February 07 2015 23:51 justanothertownie wrote:On February 06 2015 08:51 Holyflare wrote:
pretty sure a town jat would have switched to onegu when I was pushing for it Then we have this reasoning for scumreading me which makes no sense in the first place since I had more reasons to scumread SL than Onegu but even if we ignore this - why would I as scum make myself look bad by not following town marv and HF around (which I have done as scum before) if all lynch targets are town anyways and I could just switch as often as I want?On February 06 2015 09:33 Holyflare wrote:
yeh mafia is undeniably palmar or jat because they are just the type of people to qq in their scum qt/pms about modkilling I already commented on this post. It is just another awful reason to push me. On February 06 2015 13:43 Holyflare wrote:
I'm still 100% lynching jat though he's done a void all over again where he avoids all the wagons and reasoning while still agreeing with it. He did the exact same thing in heavyweight too. Flat out lying when I clearly WAS on one of the wagons and was also pushing it. Saying I avoided wagons in heavyweight is also a straight lie.Then his defense against me: On February 07 2015 01:25 Holyflare wrote:
It's absolutely not irrelevant because do you see him talking about rsoul at deadline? Absolutely not so if he is town then why does his read make sense to him when he did the same thing? This is absolutely irrelevant. I was not the one pushing rsoulting as my top scumread. On February 07 2015 01:32 Holyflare wrote:On February 07 2015 01:26 marvellosity wrote:
his rsoul read came subsequently, pretty obviously, and yours didn't
so. Rsoul has been in his poe list and someone he could have lynched the entire game and he barely ever commented on her Like it doesn't matter anyway because his read is totally irrelevant if you read the deadline and if it's his only proper read this game when it should be pretty damn easy to poe the majority of mafia then he doesn't have much hope Another lie. He said this when I had just poe'ed the mafia team a few posts before this. Still going on about how I read rsoultin which has nothing to do with my argument against him. On February 07 2015 07:20 Holyflare wrote:
which is a pain because my effort level is low and i know jat is just going to whine and make it difficult to lynch him He knows I am town and won't let myself be mislynched without putting up a fight. The first point here is the one that makes my skin crawl. Jat demonstrably didn't have a strong preference for either SL or Onegu at EoD, but he did clearly think Damdred wasn't scum while trying to argue marv and palmar off Damdred's wagon. Who in this thread thinks that's gonna happen? lol Yet when it comes down to it he doesn't switch to Onegu to protect his townread. This is exactly how I caught Celestial several games ago. The second point is fine, but not strong. People have bad reasons to scumread people (see Eden's read on my emoticons) all the time. The third is just wrong because SL was not going to be the lynch Day 1. Tie that back into 1. Four I'd have to check, cause I don't remember jat's poe precisely, though I do remember a lot of people saying that poe simply reflected thread sentiment and was yawn-worthy. Five is a useless point anyway. It just assumes that HF is scum. And if you look at every single one of these points they're not actually about HF being scum, but rather jat defending himself from HF's points, and yet people are calling this a case on HF? You guys are seeing lots of text and calling it good. I just see jat trying to point the finger back at HF because he knows the lynch is going to be between him and HF today, and town loves to fall for these longass cases without really reading them. How can you say SL was not going to be the lynch when he in fact almost was the lynch? And if I think Palmar and marv are wrong am I supposed to just accept that they mislynch my townread? What a load of crap. The poe people were talking about was day1. I made a different one night1. btw. Why should I care which poe you want me to read? The poe we're talking about is the one from Day 1 that you're citing in your case xP
The one my case is talking about is the one night1.
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On February 08 2015 04:03 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On February 05 2015 09:16 Holyflare wrote:
rs is pretty much gaining mafia points every second tbh This was way before the lynch. Rsoultin was not being active later. Still he didn't scumread her enough to consider lynching her anymore.
which page was that, jat, cause I just tried to find it?
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[QUOTE]On February 08 2015 04:03 rsoultin wrote:
[QUOTE]On February 08 2015 03:59 justanothertownie wrote:
[QUOTE]On February 08 2015 03:47 rsoultin wrote:
[QUOTE]On February 07 2015 23:51 justanothertownie wrote:
[QUOTE]On February 06 2015 08:51 Holyflare wrote:
pretty sure a town jat would have switched to onegu when I was pushing for it[/QUOTE]
Then we have this reasoning for scumreading me which makes no sense in the first place since I had more reasons to scumread SL than Onegu but even if we ignore this - why would I as scum make myself look bad by not following town marv and HF around (which I have done as scum before) if all lynch targets are town anyways and I could just switch as often as I want?
[QUOTE]On February 06 2015 09:33 Holyflare wrote:
yeh mafia is undeniably palmar or jat because they are just the type of people to qq in their scum qt/pms about modkilling[/QUOTE]
I already commented on this post. It is just another awful reason to push me.
[QUOTE]On February 06 2015 13:43 Holyflare wrote:
I'm still 100% lynching jat though he's done a void all over again where he avoids all the wagons and reasoning while still agreeing with it. He did the exact same thing in heavyweight too.[/QUOTE]
Flat out lying when I clearly WAS on one of the wagons and was also pushing it. Saying I avoided wagons in heavyweight is also a straight lie.
Then his defense against me:
[QUOTE]On February 07 2015 01:25 Holyflare wrote:
It's absolutely not irrelevant because do you see him talking about rsoul at deadline? Absolutely not so if he is town then why does his read make sense to him when he did the same thing? [/QUOTE]
This is absolutely irrelevant. I was not the one pushing rsoulting as my top scumread.
[QUOTE]On February 07 2015 01:32 Holyflare wrote:
[QUOTE]On February 07 2015 01:26 marvellosity wrote:
his rsoul read came subsequently, pretty obviously, and yours didn't
so.[/QUOTE]
Rsoul has been in his poe list and someone he could have lynched the entire game and he barely ever commented on her
Like it doesn't matter anyway because his read is totally irrelevant if you read the deadline and if it's his only proper read this game when it should be pretty damn easy to poe the majority of mafia then he doesn't have much hope[/QUOTE]
Another lie. He said this when I had just poe'ed the mafia team a few posts before this. Still going on about how I read rsoultin which has nothing to do with my argument against him.
[QUOTE]On February 07 2015 07:20 Holyflare wrote:
which is a pain because my effort level is low and i know jat is just going to whine and make it difficult to lynch him[/QUOTE]
He knows I am town and won't let myself be mislynched without putting up a fight.[/QUOTE]
No, you're not supposed to accept a mislynch. You're supposed to try to prevent it not just with your words, but also with your actions. In fact, actions always mean more than words. And you were in the thread, so it's not like you didn't know that Onegu and Damdred were the wagons. Stop blowing smoke.[/QUOTE]
But they weren't. This is factually incorrect. Until like 5 minutes before deadline SL was the leading wagon. and then many people shouted but very few people voted. It also didn't help that the mods fucked up hardcore with their votecounts before deadline in a way that noone even knew who was leading the vote/being lynched.
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Holy shit I fucked that formating up. Just a second.
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On February 08 2015 04:03 marvellosity wrote:
pretty sure he'd say so himself whether he's town or mafia too.
okay, so maybe it wasn't policy. I know I've played like shit this game, and I know that I in particular am usually an insanely active town player, even though I've tried to cut that back since the game I was mislynched.
I perfectly understand people scumreading me, frankly, but it doesn't really matter.
The point is, during the day, am I believably acting more scummy than the wagon that HF was pushing? To the point that HF pushing an Onegu wagon despite having me as scum in his earlier posts is alignment-indicative?
Considering I wasn't a wagon despite being inactive all day, I think it pretty much speaks for itself.
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On February 08 2015 04:03 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2015 03:59 justanothertownie wrote:On February 08 2015 03:47 rsoultin wrote:On February 07 2015 23:51 justanothertownie wrote:On February 06 2015 08:51 Holyflare wrote:
pretty sure a town jat would have switched to onegu when I was pushing for it Then we have this reasoning for scumreading me which makes no sense in the first place since I had more reasons to scumread SL than Onegu but even if we ignore this - why would I as scum make myself look bad by not following town marv and HF around (which I have done as scum before) if all lynch targets are town anyways and I could just switch as often as I want?On February 06 2015 09:33 Holyflare wrote:
yeh mafia is undeniably palmar or jat because they are just the type of people to qq in their scum qt/pms about modkilling I already commented on this post. It is just another awful reason to push me. On February 06 2015 13:43 Holyflare wrote:
I'm still 100% lynching jat though he's done a void all over again where he avoids all the wagons and reasoning while still agreeing with it. He did the exact same thing in heavyweight too. Flat out lying when I clearly WAS on one of the wagons and was also pushing it. Saying I avoided wagons in heavyweight is also a straight lie.Then his defense against me: On February 07 2015 01:25 Holyflare wrote:
It's absolutely not irrelevant because do you see him talking about rsoul at deadline? Absolutely not so if he is town then why does his read make sense to him when he did the same thing? This is absolutely irrelevant. I was not the one pushing rsoulting as my top scumread. On February 07 2015 01:32 Holyflare wrote:On February 07 2015 01:26 marvellosity wrote:
his rsoul read came subsequently, pretty obviously, and yours didn't
so. Rsoul has been in his poe list and someone he could have lynched the entire game and he barely ever commented on her Like it doesn't matter anyway because his read is totally irrelevant if you read the deadline and if it's his only proper read this game when it should be pretty damn easy to poe the majority of mafia then he doesn't have much hope Another lie. He said this when I had just poe'ed the mafia team a few posts before this. Still going on about how I read rsoultin which has nothing to do with my argument against him. On February 07 2015 07:20 Holyflare wrote:
which is a pain because my effort level is low and i know jat is just going to whine and make it difficult to lynch him He knows I am town and won't let myself be mislynched without putting up a fight. The first point here is the one that makes my skin crawl. Jat demonstrably didn't have a strong preference for either SL or Onegu at EoD, but he did clearly think Damdred wasn't scum while trying to argue marv and palmar off Damdred's wagon. Who in this thread thinks that's gonna happen? lol Yet when it comes down to it he doesn't switch to Onegu to protect his townread. This is exactly how I caught Celestial several games ago. The second point is fine, but not strong. People have bad reasons to scumread people (see Eden's read on my emoticons) all the time. The third is just wrong because SL was not going to be the lynch Day 1. Tie that back into 1. Four I'd have to check, cause I don't remember jat's poe precisely, though I do remember a lot of people saying that poe simply reflected thread sentiment and was yawn-worthy. Five is a useless point anyway. It just assumes that HF is scum. And if you look at every single one of these points they're not actually about HF being scum, but rather jat defending himself from HF's points, and yet people are calling this a case on HF? You guys are seeing lots of text and calling it good. I just see jat trying to point the finger back at HF because he knows the lynch is going to be between him and HF today, and town loves to fall for these longass cases without really reading them. How can you say SL was not going to be the lynch when he in fact almost was the lynch? And if I think Palmar and marv are wrong am I supposed to just accept that they mislynch my townread? What a load of crap. The poe people were talking about was day1. I made a different one night1. btw. Why should I care which poe you want me to read? The poe we're talking about is the one from Day 1 that you're citing in your case xP No, you're not supposed to accept a mislynch. You're supposed to try to prevent it not just with your words, but also with your actions. In fact, actions always mean more than words. And you were in the thread, so it's not like you didn't know that Onegu and Damdred were the wagons. Stop blowing smoke.
But they weren't. This is factually incorrect. Until like 5 minutes before deadline SL was the leading wagon. and then many people shouted but very few people voted. It also didn't help that the mods fucked up hardcore with their votecounts before deadline in a way that noone even knew who was leading the vote/being lynched.
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