[T] Jack of All Trades Mafia - Page 89

On March 05 2015 05:44 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
lol?

Mediocre shuriken, imo. Rsoul was obvious town.

On March 05 2015 03:38 geript wrote:
@Kita. Regarding Tube. I had to go back and look at my summary of the Newbie game and his filter. On length it's about what I expect. He's under similar pressure in that game too IIRC. There are a few things that I note that are quite different.

First, in the newbie game while his filter isn't great he has some real gems of insight here and there. Things that really show how he's thinking about the game. Not just the "If everyone's scumreading Shining" post but more like:

Like it's a really interesting thought. But I'm not really seeing anything like that this game. That's pretty remarkable to me.

This was after Rsoultin died N2, so of course I had more opinions than I do during N1 (after a shortened day...)

Second, in the newbie game he's reasonably opinionated. Like he makes points on people and interacts a bunch. Like almost all of his posts are to someone. I'm going to try and be specific about this but his posts are to the person in relation to the conversation they are having in the thread at that time. Like there's an intended back and forth. Where as this game it's far more of posting at people. Like he's interested in saying something but not in actually conversing or having that back and forth.

I've conversed with you and Rsoultin. More extensively with Rsoultin though. That newbie game was really slow and here a lot of people are talking, and I didn't feel I had anything to add. See my responses to your questions for instance.

Third, I remember one of the heuristics used in Boardwalk revolved around who made plans and why. In Boardwalk, there were numerous plans based around picking numbers and what should be drafted where, etc. But I specifically remember someone talking about how mafia were more likely to propose a plan and just let it die. As I recall, I think it ended up getting a mafia lynched; I think it was part of why Gonzaw suspected Artanis. Either way, what I find interesting about his Votecount thing is that he doesn't really push it. He both likes and understands my "people cleared to shoot" list. But unlike, Rayn or me that game there was no constant revision in order to generate a better plan. There wasn't really any pushing for finding the best plan. It's more of a "I'm doing something plan but I don't really care about it."

I don't think anyone can say with a straight face that no matter how much effort I put in for my plan that you, Rayne, Robik, AND Sicklucker would have followed it. Even Sandroba said he was going to shoot but it was early enough to be a possible reaction bait type comment. So, what would have been the point? Plus, several people were like the quote you posted below say "Tube, I'd rather hear your reads. ...you hiding behind that list."

Fourth, This post:
What I find interesting about this post is that finding reasons to call me mafia but doesn't push them. What's more important is he's both buddied me pretty hard at points and both before and after this calls me obvious town. Like that's really, really weird.

On March 05 2015 05:44 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
lol?

Mediocre shuriken, imo. Rsoul was obvious town.

On March 05 2015 05:49 geript wrote:

No Rayn, what I'm pissed about it is that you're using it. For a long time we were both staunchly against using any sort of that shit. Like there's a line between cheating and good play. For me that crosses the line. I think he's town and I don't need that read which btw is extra stupid because Artanis tells the mafia team about role pms. It's a matter of standards. And when I knew you and you were town, you would try to never stoop to that shit. Ever. You even got really pissed about shit like that being in the thread because it ruins the integrity of the game. I have not now or ever intentionally cheated. There was even a game recently where I had that exact thought that someone was mafia because of how they claimed to me. I specifically didn't use it and relied on other things to read that person because it was both against the rules of the game and unethical. I don't cheat. Period. I thought you didn't either. That's what really pisses me off here. That's what really got my goat when I accidently pm'd Marv essentially telling him I was town. Not just that it got him removed from the game but also that I didn't even stop to think about how that could affect the game. I didn't think that it tells him that my slot was town. There have been numerous games in Magic where I've called a judge on myself for an illegal deck presentation because I had a sideboard card in during G1 when my opponent never would've know I had the 4th thoughtseize or that mid storm for 20 I somehow drew the Anger of the Gods or Engineered Explosives which I didn't side in the previous match but somehow ended up in the 60 I presented. I called a judge myself last weekend for accidentally scrying 2 off of Drown in Sorrow (it didn't affect teh outcome at all) but that doesn't matter. It's the principle of it. And I'm hurt that you'd even use shit like that because I thought you were one of the other few people here would never do that shit.

On March 05 2015 05:54 geript wrote:

No. I've gotten myself modkilled because I'm a stupid fuck. Never once that I can ever think of have I ever said, hey look. I'm going to get myself modkilled so that people will know I'm town and take the lynch in a different direction. Not once.