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Onegu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States9699 Posts
January 30 2015 19:19 GMT
#1501
Will read over GB and palmar in a bit.
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GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
January 30 2015 20:06 GMT
#1502
What about the second one, Robik?
I'm adorable.
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
January 30 2015 20:17 GMT
#1503
Here for a little before I'm out with the other half. Let's see what I can do...
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
January 30 2015 20:21 GMT
#1504
On January 30 2015 14:56 liancourt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 30 2015 14:34 Half the Sky wrote:
People are questioning (aside from you) Palmar and VE. Why do you think VE is town (in your own words) and how is Palmar still null after what he did at EoD last night?


i agree with most of the things ve has said

iirc the lastg 3 votes ontoad was eden u and onegu.

Palmar was pushing toad all day. Town can be wrong, mafia can intentionally tunnel on town. I need to re evaluate him today. I'm not reading him town nor is he scummy. Fact is 3 ppl followed him with his vote and 1 of them was town. I'll wait until palmar posts before i analyze him.


No, just no. You simply agreeing with VE does not make him town, nor does it make you town. Robik and I largely agree on GB, but we are/have been taking different angles. Am I concluding Robik is town just because we agree on GB? Not definitively but I feel he's doing the other things, has other reads, etc that I think makes him town.

You aren't talking about what is going behind those thoughts.

Also your point on the votes is completely invalid. Are you considering under what conditions the votes were made? Are you considering that VE didn't even vote?

Fair enough on Palmar though.
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
January 30 2015 20:25 GMT
#1505
On January 31 2015 01:33 GlowingBear wrote:
WHAT DO YOU DO?
KEEP SILENT.
YOU DON'T SAY "HEY LOOK AT MY CASE AND GIVE THOUGHTS"

ARGH


Wrong. He did that and some. He wasn't as active as say, Eden and myself trying to figure the game, out but he definitely did this.

Resistance to a lynch (as I learnt in Void) is not particularly a townie thing...
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
January 30 2015 20:26 GMT
#1506
EWBOP - Probably shouldn't have said active. He was active. Meant to say that Robik was more sporadic, but he definitely did push his case.

He didn't spam it like Palmar in a pointless manner "i.e. kill X", but he definitely pushed it and re-pushed it.
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
IAmRobik
Profile Joined January 2014
United States5878 Posts
January 30 2015 20:31 GMT
#1507
On January 31 2015 05:06 GlowingBear wrote:
What about the second one, Robik?

Anyone can be with palmar. If I had to rank the order of who is with palmar it would look something like:

lian > you > me > HTS > VE ....i'm missing someone but i don't remember who it is
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
January 30 2015 20:33 GMT
#1508
On January 31 2015 05:31 IAmRobik wrote:
lian > you > me > HTS > VE ....i'm missing someone but i don't remember who it is


Onegu? Where does he rank for you?
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
IAmRobik
Profile Joined January 2014
United States5878 Posts
January 30 2015 20:34 GMT
#1509
Oh...onegu...not sure what interactions he had with plammmar
IAmRobik
Profile Joined January 2014
United States5878 Posts
January 30 2015 20:34 GMT
#1510
On January 31 2015 05:33 Half the Sky wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 31 2015 05:31 IAmRobik wrote:
lian > you > me > HTS > VE ....i'm missing someone but i don't remember who it is


Onegu? Where does he rank for you?

yeah, this guy
IAmRobik
Profile Joined January 2014
United States5878 Posts
January 30 2015 20:39 GMT
#1511
On January 31 2015 05:34 IAmRobik wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 31 2015 05:33 Half the Sky wrote:
On January 31 2015 05:31 IAmRobik wrote:
lian > you > me > HTS > VE ....i'm missing someone but i don't remember who it is


Onegu? Where does he rank for you?

yeah, this guy

I don't know where he ranks in regards to interaction with palmar. Off the top of my head I don't remember. If I had to rank him in terms of how town/mafia he is, it's really difficult for me to say. If GB is mafia, I guess it's likely he could be mafia defending his partner, but I think that the way that GB went after him at the beginning of the game and seemed to really want to have him lynched means that he's not mafia with GB. If GB is town, then he could be mafia defending a townie for credit or he could just genuinely believe that GB is town. I think just based off of these two factors I kinda TR him.

He also brought up the point of liancourt/VE. I think that that's not something that a mafia remembers off the top of their head and stashes it to bring up later. It seems like he's actually thinking about the game.

HAVING SAID THAT: He did something really scummy early on when he called me town because I was scummy. I pointed it out earlier. It's something that should not be overlooked because it literally just happened the previous game when Ritoky was mafia and called me town for bad reasons because of TMI. This could very well be the case in this game.

Overall town, caveat be weary.
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
January 30 2015 20:46 GMT
#1512
Don't think associative reads are the way to go, but first pages of his filter are him calling Palmar out for trolling, which enough of us were doing. After this...

On January 29 2015 04:17 Onegu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 28 2015 09:36 Palmar wrote:
On January 28 2015 09:26 Eden1892 wrote:
Wait hol up Palmar

What is case on Toad

He's mafia because of many things, but the easiest point to get is the one I made regarding his stance on GB.

Also because he tried to use my list post to clear himself. (look I'm fingering the same people you are)

Also because he did something I can't remember but can look up at some point around the time I entered thread.

Probably because I think everyone else is town too.

Like I feel hts, ve, robik, eden are town. GB's gambit play is... meh (notice though, that he has basically done nothing with it except randomly call me and toad scum).

Onegu and lian are the wildcards. I think I saw something townie from lian at one point but I cannot be sure.



Is this your case palmar? What what was point three? Did you find it or are you making it up? Also don't say kill toad one more time or I will flip onto you it's boring looking at your 8 page filter and half of it is "kill toad"


On January 29 2015 07:22 Onegu wrote:
Palmar that big post just said I want confirmed town not why I'm scum... I'll be around for a hour or so, will hammer anyone to prevent a no lynch if I have to even though I still think GB is town.


On January 29 2015 07:30 Onegu wrote:
My vote is on lian, then followed by palmar. Then I'd lynch into VE, Toad, but I don't want to until I have time to read more into them.


Last quote I can't tell if he scumread Palmar or if it was a policy for trolling.

He still voted Lian and pushed Lian although both of us fell to pressure last night from Palmar. Plenty in the exchange there but it was the same thing...."kill Toad" ad infinitum.
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
January 30 2015 20:47 GMT
#1513
EWBOP - Not policy per se, but his trolling being more irritable and disruptive, as opposed to other scummy actions.
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
January 30 2015 20:56 GMT
#1514
My opinion overall still hasn't changed on Lian. I don't know why GB isn't pushing alternative scumreads. Just kicking and screaming against Robik is mostly what I see.

In any case out I go. Have a good Friday everyone <3
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
IAmRobik
Profile Joined January 2014
United States5878 Posts
January 30 2015 21:03 GMT
#1515
Like, GB, even when I act civil and answer your fucking pointless questions, you don't even care nor do you followup or do anything. Even if you're town, I'm gonna feel 0 guilty for SRing you all game and getting your lynched
Onegu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States9699 Posts
January 30 2015 21:09 GMT
#1516
Idk like why would Scum GB give HTS a scum read when she is like the towniest person in the thread really seems like suicide. No one really called him out for it. Doesn't really make sense to me why he would do that as scum.

Palmar get the hell in here and catch scum, give me your thoughts on VE, GB, and Liancourt.
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GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
January 30 2015 21:27 GMT
#1517
On January 31 2015 05:31 IAmRobik wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 31 2015 05:06 GlowingBear wrote:
What about the second one, Robik?

Anyone can be with palmar. If I had to rank the order of who is with palmar it would look something like:

lian > you > me > HTS > VE ....i'm missing someone but i don't remember who it is


This is bizarre. Why even putting you on the list?

By the way, how can you consider me as mafia with palmar while I'm voting palmar and after I called him out a lot in day1?
I don't like associative reads, but the thing is that you're scumreading me for something you are actually doing. Why?
I'm adorable.
GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
January 30 2015 21:28 GMT
#1518
On January 31 2015 06:03 IAmRobik wrote:
Like, GB, even when I act civil and answer your fucking pointless questions, you don't even care nor do you followup or do anything. Even if you're town, I'm gonna feel 0 guilty for SRing you all game and getting your lynched


Lol I've just did it.
Sorry if I'm not 24/7 looking at the thread.
I'm adorable.
IAmRobik
Profile Joined January 2014
United States5878 Posts
January 30 2015 21:31 GMT
#1519
On January 31 2015 06:27 GlowingBear wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 31 2015 05:31 IAmRobik wrote:
On January 31 2015 05:06 GlowingBear wrote:
What about the second one, Robik?

Anyone can be with palmar. If I had to rank the order of who is with palmar it would look something like:

lian > you > me > HTS > VE ....i'm missing someone but i don't remember who it is


This is bizarre. Why even putting you on the list?

By the way, how can you consider me as mafia with palmar while I'm voting palmar and after I called him out a lot in day1?
I don't like associative reads, but the thing is that you're scumreading me for something you are actually doing. Why?

Because I'm a realist and palmar and i haven't had any interactions that couldn't be maf/maf, but i put myself lower than you because i'm not mafia.

The reason you're on the list is because I definitely considered at times that you two could have been executing a play where you fake martyr to bring it to 3 votes, he votes you to make it 4 and then you unvote to make it 3 and then decide to TR each other later on based off of a really poor explanation for how you were making a "play" and then you "caught him" and then that gets blown out the window.

The reason why HTS is on that list above VE even though I TR HTS more than VE is because I just don't see VE/Plammar interaction being maf/maf.

Do you disagree with my analysis anywhere?
GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
January 30 2015 21:45 GMT
#1520
On January 31 2015 06:31 IAmRobik wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 31 2015 06:27 GlowingBear wrote:
On January 31 2015 05:31 IAmRobik wrote:
On January 31 2015 05:06 GlowingBear wrote:
What about the second one, Robik?

Anyone can be with palmar. If I had to rank the order of who is with palmar it would look something like:

lian > you > me > HTS > VE ....i'm missing someone but i don't remember who it is


This is bizarre. Why even putting you on the list?

By the way, how can you consider me as mafia with palmar while I'm voting palmar and after I called him out a lot in day1?
I don't like associative reads, but the thing is that you're scumreading me for something you are actually doing. Why?

Because I'm a realist and palmar and i haven't had any interactions that couldn't be maf/maf, but i put myself lower than you because i'm not mafia.

The reason you're on the list is because I definitely considered at times that you two could have been executing a play where you fake martyr to bring it to 3 votes, he votes you to make it 4 and then you unvote to make it 3 and then decide to TR each other later on based off of a really poor explanation for how you were making a "play" and then you "caught him" and then that gets blown out the window.

The reason why HTS is on that list above VE even though I TR HTS more than VE is because I just don't see VE/Plammar interaction being maf/maf.

Do you disagree with my analysis anywhere?


Yes. If you're town, the fact that you're town is the most explicit fact that your interactions with palmar shouldn't be mafia/mafia.

You can't see things through an impartial POV when you're in the game. When I ask you things, I want your perspective, only, and not a fabricated impartial POV.
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