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IAmRobik
Profile Joined January 2014
United States5878 Posts
January 30 2015 21:48 GMT
#1521
On January 31 2015 06:45 GlowingBear wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 31 2015 06:31 IAmRobik wrote:
On January 31 2015 06:27 GlowingBear wrote:
On January 31 2015 05:31 IAmRobik wrote:
On January 31 2015 05:06 GlowingBear wrote:
What about the second one, Robik?

Anyone can be with palmar. If I had to rank the order of who is with palmar it would look something like:

lian > you > me > HTS > VE ....i'm missing someone but i don't remember who it is


This is bizarre. Why even putting you on the list?

By the way, how can you consider me as mafia with palmar while I'm voting palmar and after I called him out a lot in day1?
I don't like associative reads, but the thing is that you're scumreading me for something you are actually doing. Why?

Because I'm a realist and palmar and i haven't had any interactions that couldn't be maf/maf, but i put myself lower than you because i'm not mafia.

The reason you're on the list is because I definitely considered at times that you two could have been executing a play where you fake martyr to bring it to 3 votes, he votes you to make it 4 and then you unvote to make it 3 and then decide to TR each other later on based off of a really poor explanation for how you were making a "play" and then you "caught him" and then that gets blown out the window.

The reason why HTS is on that list above VE even though I TR HTS more than VE is because I just don't see VE/Plammar interaction being maf/maf.

Do you disagree with my analysis anywhere?


Yes. If you're town, the fact that you're town is the most explicit fact that your interactions with palmar shouldn't be mafia/mafia.

You can't see things through an impartial POV when you're in the game. When I ask you things, I want your perspective, only, and not a fabricated impartial POV.

So take my name out of that list if you want. I think that HTS is the towniest person in the game, but that doesn't mean that I'm not gonna include her in the list and if i'm looking at it objectively from my perspective, i think that if palmar is mafia, she's more likely to be mafia than VE, even though I think that HTS is town.
GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
January 30 2015 21:48 GMT
#1522
Also, I have problems with your Onegu reads. If you realise, I haven't been talking about him anymore. Why do you believe in the WIFOM mafia great plan between me and palmar, but does not believe me and Onegu could be mafia together?

Easiest thing for scum to do is to scumread his scum partner in the beginning of the game and completely forget him.

Also, you townreading him over my interaction with him, but having no good idea about his filters and eve forgetting he is in the game seems odd.
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GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
January 30 2015 21:51 GMT
#1523
On January 31 2015 06:48 IAmRobik wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 31 2015 06:45 GlowingBear wrote:
On January 31 2015 06:31 IAmRobik wrote:
On January 31 2015 06:27 GlowingBear wrote:
On January 31 2015 05:31 IAmRobik wrote:
On January 31 2015 05:06 GlowingBear wrote:
What about the second one, Robik?

Anyone can be with palmar. If I had to rank the order of who is with palmar it would look something like:

lian > you > me > HTS > VE ....i'm missing someone but i don't remember who it is


This is bizarre. Why even putting you on the list?

By the way, how can you consider me as mafia with palmar while I'm voting palmar and after I called him out a lot in day1?
I don't like associative reads, but the thing is that you're scumreading me for something you are actually doing. Why?

Because I'm a realist and palmar and i haven't had any interactions that couldn't be maf/maf, but i put myself lower than you because i'm not mafia.

The reason you're on the list is because I definitely considered at times that you two could have been executing a play where you fake martyr to bring it to 3 votes, he votes you to make it 4 and then you unvote to make it 3 and then decide to TR each other later on based off of a really poor explanation for how you were making a "play" and then you "caught him" and then that gets blown out the window.

The reason why HTS is on that list above VE even though I TR HTS more than VE is because I just don't see VE/Plammar interaction being maf/maf.

Do you disagree with my analysis anywhere?


Yes. If you're town, the fact that you're town is the most explicit fact that your interactions with palmar shouldn't be mafia/mafia.

You can't see things through an impartial POV when you're in the game. When I ask you things, I want your perspective, only, and not a fabricated impartial POV.

So take my name out of that list if you want. I think that HTS is the towniest person in the game, but that doesn't mean that I'm not gonna include her in the list and if i'm looking at it objectively from my perspective, i think that if palmar is mafia, she's more likely to be mafia than VE, even though I think that HTS is town.


I can understand this, Robik. I'm just saying that I want your perspective only. Not an objective view of the game.

I'll repeat the question and I want your view only ok?
Considering I'm not town:

Who is the scum team?
How me being town changes things?
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GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
January 30 2015 21:51 GMT
#1524
I mean, considering I'm town*
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IAmRobik
Profile Joined January 2014
United States5878 Posts
January 30 2015 21:54 GMT
#1525
On January 31 2015 06:48 GlowingBear wrote:
Also, I have problems with your Onegu reads. If you realise, I haven't been talking about him anymore. Why do you believe in the WIFOM mafia great plan between me and palmar, but does not believe me and Onegu could be mafia together?

Easiest thing for scum to do is to scumread his scum partner in the beginning of the game and completely forget him.

Also, you townreading him over my interaction with him, but having no good idea about his filters and eve forgetting he is in the game seems odd.

Cause I remember that part of the game. When I was making my post about the team with palmar, I forgot he was in the game. The interaction between you two seems very much like the interaction between palmar and ve. I don't think it's maf/maf. The reason I think it's more likely for the two of you as opposed to palmar/ve is because the venom seemed really genuine from a one sided direction from VE to palmar. It felt a bit different the other way around. Plus, there was never really pressure on palmar or ve until today, as opposed to there being pressure on you and a little on onegu.
IAmRobik
Profile Joined January 2014
United States5878 Posts
January 30 2015 21:56 GMT
#1526
On January 31 2015 06:51 GlowingBear wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 31 2015 06:48 IAmRobik wrote:
On January 31 2015 06:45 GlowingBear wrote:
On January 31 2015 06:31 IAmRobik wrote:
On January 31 2015 06:27 GlowingBear wrote:
On January 31 2015 05:31 IAmRobik wrote:
On January 31 2015 05:06 GlowingBear wrote:
What about the second one, Robik?

Anyone can be with palmar. If I had to rank the order of who is with palmar it would look something like:

lian > you > me > HTS > VE ....i'm missing someone but i don't remember who it is


This is bizarre. Why even putting you on the list?

By the way, how can you consider me as mafia with palmar while I'm voting palmar and after I called him out a lot in day1?
I don't like associative reads, but the thing is that you're scumreading me for something you are actually doing. Why?

Because I'm a realist and palmar and i haven't had any interactions that couldn't be maf/maf, but i put myself lower than you because i'm not mafia.

The reason you're on the list is because I definitely considered at times that you two could have been executing a play where you fake martyr to bring it to 3 votes, he votes you to make it 4 and then you unvote to make it 3 and then decide to TR each other later on based off of a really poor explanation for how you were making a "play" and then you "caught him" and then that gets blown out the window.

The reason why HTS is on that list above VE even though I TR HTS more than VE is because I just don't see VE/Plammar interaction being maf/maf.

Do you disagree with my analysis anywhere?


Yes. If you're town, the fact that you're town is the most explicit fact that your interactions with palmar shouldn't be mafia/mafia.

You can't see things through an impartial POV when you're in the game. When I ask you things, I want your perspective, only, and not a fabricated impartial POV.

So take my name out of that list if you want. I think that HTS is the towniest person in the game, but that doesn't mean that I'm not gonna include her in the list and if i'm looking at it objectively from my perspective, i think that if palmar is mafia, she's more likely to be mafia than VE, even though I think that HTS is town.


I can understand this, Robik. I'm just saying that I want your perspective only. Not an objective view of the game.

I'll repeat the question and I want your view only ok?
Considering I'm not town:

Who is the scum team?
How me being town changes things?

So, i'll expose why I think palmari s scum if you're town:

He made a post where he already assumed that you were town. I forget where it was but it made me think: "Shit, is palmar mafia knowing that GB is town". I'll try to find it at some point. That's kinda why I really wanted you to flip yesterday (aside from my thinking that you're scum). I think if you flip town, palmar is always mafia.

The second one will be harder to find and would require me to delve deeper
GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
January 30 2015 21:59 GMT
#1527
Ok.
Now, supposing I'm mafia: what do you're of me voting palmar?
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GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
January 30 2015 22:02 GMT
#1528
Also, although it requires you to delve deeper: based on your reads so far and in the world where I'm town and palmar is mafia, from your POV, who probably is his partners?
I know you have to delve deeper but if you had to guess. Who is it?
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GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
January 30 2015 22:02 GMT
#1529
On January 31 2015 06:59 GlowingBear wrote:
Ok.
Now, supposing I'm mafia: what do you're of me voting palmar?


EBWOP: what do you do about me voting palmar?
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IAmRobik
Profile Joined January 2014
United States5878 Posts
January 30 2015 22:04 GMT
#1530
On January 31 2015 06:59 GlowingBear wrote:
Ok.
Now, supposing I'm mafia: what do you're of me voting palmar?

You're probably with lian given your desire to vote palmar over him even though he is a possible mislynch if you're scum with someone else. Could be busing plammmar, but less likely. your progression of a mafia read on plammmmar doesn't make much sense, but I don't know if that's because you're mafia together or whether you're trying to get a mislynch and have no actual reason to SR him.

It's really hard for me to TR you because you spend all game calling me mafia when I'm town and because even when I explain that you're wrong and why you're wrong and accuse you of being mafia for being wrong, you just flick it off like I'm not making sense...when it's super fucking obvious that I make all the sense in the world
IAmRobik
Profile Joined January 2014
United States5878 Posts
January 30 2015 22:07 GMT
#1531
On January 31 2015 07:02 GlowingBear wrote:
Also, although it requires you to delve deeper: based on your reads so far and in the world where I'm town and palmar is mafia, from your POV, who probably is his partners?
I know you have to delve deeper but if you had to guess. Who is it?

As I explained earlier, Lian seems like a likely partner. Palmar went ham at toad and got him mislynched when Lian was up on the table. If you are town, he switched from one town to another town, which is pretty meh. As mafia, I don't 100% understand the motivation behind taking it off of you and onto Toad, unless he thought that pushing a read hard and being wrong would look less scummy than placing a policy vote on you and getting you mislynched.
GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
January 30 2015 22:13 GMT
#1532
Some of your reads on me were forced or revealed extreme tunnel, Robik. I didn't agree with your explanations. But I'm trying to see it through a very tunnelled townie perspective and, tbh, I'm kinda getting able to see it.

I also have a bad feeling regarding palmar. What did you think was weird on my read progression on palmar?
I'm adorable.
GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
January 30 2015 22:17 GMT
#1533
You see, from our conversation here, we have similar reading patterns:

You think scum is basically between me, lian and palmar.
I once thought scum was basically between you, lian and palmar.

How do you think this scenario affects the night kill on night1?
I'm adorable.
IAmRobik
Profile Joined January 2014
United States5878 Posts
January 30 2015 22:17 GMT
#1534
On January 31 2015 07:13 GlowingBear wrote:
Some of your reads on me were forced or revealed extreme tunnel, Robik. I didn't agree with your explanations. But I'm trying to see it through a very tunnelled townie perspective and, tbh, I'm kinda getting able to see it.

I also have a bad feeling regarding palmar. What did you think was weird on my read progression on palmar?

You "caught" him. Then you TR'd him after his (pretty obvious) explanation of his spite vote. Then you came out today SRing him and me and then voting him with nothing beyond "oh he lead a mislynch and he feels off"
IAmRobik
Profile Joined January 2014
United States5878 Posts
January 30 2015 22:18 GMT
#1535
On January 31 2015 07:17 GlowingBear wrote:
You see, from our conversation here, we have similar reading patterns:

You think scum is basically between me, lian and palmar.
I once thought scum was basically between you, lian and palmar.

How do you think this scenario affects the night kill on night1?

Eden was universally TR'd so he was killed. I don't think it's really something worth spending time on.
GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
January 30 2015 22:22 GMT
#1536
On January 31 2015 07:17 IAmRobik wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 31 2015 07:13 GlowingBear wrote:
Some of your reads on me were forced or revealed extreme tunnel, Robik. I didn't agree with your explanations. But I'm trying to see it through a very tunnelled townie perspective and, tbh, I'm kinda getting able to see it.

I also have a bad feeling regarding palmar. What did you think was weird on my read progression on palmar?

You "caught" him. Then you TR'd him after his (pretty obvious) explanation of his spite vote. Then you came out today SRing him and me and then voting him with nothing beyond "oh he lead a mislynch and he feels off"


That's not why I've townread him, Robim. And that's not the only motive I had to scumread him.

I townread palmar because he unvoted me right after toad voted me. If toad was one of his scumreads, it makes total sense from a town perspective. If palmar was mafia, he could just let the mislynch happen.

Also, if we both were mafia, I wouldn't call him out like I did before. You see, I started inquiring palmar's reasoning for voting me and he got problems explaining that. The interaction we had are really informative. Gonna find the page for you to read.
I'm adorable.
GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
January 30 2015 22:23 GMT
#1537
On January 31 2015 07:18 IAmRobik wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 31 2015 07:17 GlowingBear wrote:
You see, from our conversation here, we have similar reading patterns:

You think scum is basically between me, lian and palmar.
I once thought scum was basically between you, lian and palmar.

How do you think this scenario affects the night kill on night1?

Eden was universally TR'd so he was killed. I don't think it's really something worth spending time on.


Ok, we may talk about this on day3 if we both live until it.
I'm adorable.
GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
January 30 2015 22:26 GMT
#1538
Robik,
Please read my interaction with palmar starting on this post:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/475954-hammertime-mafia?page=43#854
I'm adorable.
IAmRobik
Profile Joined January 2014
United States5878 Posts
January 30 2015 22:32 GMT
#1539
Between there and pg 48 you talk to palmar once...maybe twice -.-

That exact quote is good, and his anger at you calling you mafia or shit town was good, but like there was never really much back and forth. I remember there was the questioning, but I already explained that that plan could have been previously contrived. I will say that Eden dying over me is a strong reason to give me pause about you, but I don't think you would have any chance of surviving the next day if I died last night anyway
GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
January 30 2015 23:01 GMT
#1540
On January 31 2015 07:32 IAmRobik wrote:
Between there and pg 48 you talk to palmar once...maybe twice -.-

That exact quote is good, and his anger at you calling you mafia or shit town was good, but like there was never really much back and forth. I remember there was the questioning, but I already explained that that plan could have been previously contrived. I will say that Eden dying over me is a strong reason to give me pause about you, but I don't think you would have any chance of surviving the next day if I died last night anyway


No mafia motive to do that Robik, that's what I'm trying to say.

Here is the thing:

Palmar says that he didn't the day to end.
But he votes me out of spite not caring if the day will end or not.
Not caring if I was town because he says it's a policy lynch (easy excuse for mafia)
Then I show him that he isn't that aggressive with that policy thing because he didn't want to lynch a martyr in another game
He says it's irrelevant and dismisses it.

Do you understand the damning contradiction about him?
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