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GlowingBear

Brazil12446 Posts

January 27 2015 21:22 GMT

#941

I've just got out of my finals, dude. I'm coming home and I'll explain once I get there.

Half the Sky

Germany9029 Posts

January 27 2015 21:22 GMT

#942

I hate meta reading people I have never played before but this is really bothering me.

What is a scum Palmar like?

Half the Sky

Germany9029 Posts

January 27 2015 21:23 GMT

#943

On January 28 2015 06:22 GlowingBear wrote:
I've just got out of my finals, dude. I'm coming home and I'll explain once I get there.

I hope they went well. We'll see you soon. I should be up for a few more hours here.

I wish I could talk more to the American players though. Stupid timezones.

Half the Sky

Germany9029 Posts

January 27 2015 21:26 GMT

#944

Alright. For those of us who wish to try:

Here's Palmar's games out of the database. He has NOT rolled scum often at all this year.

+ Show Spoiler [Palmar] +

Metal Mini Mafia! Town Miller Killed Night 2
Surprisingly Normal Mini Mafia II Mafia Vanilla Survived
Pick Their Power Mafia Town Bro Of Destiny Survived
Surprisingly Normal Mini Mafia III Town Vanilla Endgamed
Closed Casket Mafia Town Virgin Endgamed
Real Time Mafia Town Miller Survived Day 0
World at War 2 Mafia Third Party Conspirator Lynched Day 1
Merc Mini 2 Town Juliet Survived Day 3
Surprisingly Normal Mini Mafia V Mafia Vanilla Survived
Pick Their Power Mafia 2 Mafia Traitor Red Hood Lynched Day 4
Experimental Haunted Mafia Town Vanilla Killed Night 1
Personality Mafia! Mafia flamewheel Lynched Day 3
TL Mafia XLIV Town Vanilla Killed Night 2
Cosmic Horror Mafia Town Medic Killed Night 1
Resurrection Mafia Town Vanilla Survived
Some Mafia Game Mafia Vanilla Lynched Day 4
Lord of the Rings Mafia Third Party Gollum Survived Day 0
TL Mafia XLV Mafia Pyro Lynched Day 1
Steamship Liquidia (TL Mafia 46) Town Records Cop Killed Night 4
Mini Mafia X Town Vanilla Killed Night 1
TL Mafia XLVIII Town Floridian Killed Night 3
Responsibility Mafia! Mafia Traitor Killed Night 1
Purgatory Mafia Mafia Courier Killed Night 1
TL Mafia L Town Miller Lynched Day 1
Hammer Mini Mafia Town Watcher Killed Night 2
BCs Arkham City Third Party Batman Unknown Day 0
Werewolves Invade Teamliquid II Mafia Vanilla Survived Day 0
Mr. Wiggles Mini Mafia II Town Watcher Killed Night 2
TL Mafia LII: JubJub Mafia Town Parity Cop Killed Day 3
Death Factory Mafia 2 Town Mirror Toy Killed Night 1
Liar Game Mini Mafia Mafia Goon Lynched Day 6
TL Mafia LIV Town Vanilla Killed Night 1
Pick Your Power: Redux Town Pardoner Modkilled Night 5
Emergency Mini Mafia! Mafia Vanilla Modkilled Day 4
iGroks Good Clean Old-fashioned Mafia Mafia Vanilla Lynched Day 3
Bureaucracy Mafia! Mafia Company Lawyer Lynched Day 3
Normal Mini Mafia III Town Vanilla Killed Night 1
Rockband Mini Mafia Mafia Roleblocker Lynched Day 2
Hero Mini Mafia Town Vanilla Killed Night 2
Parallel World Mafia Town Teemo Killed Night 2
TL Mafia LVIII Town Vanilla Killed Day 3
Nomination Mafia Town Vanilla Lynched Night 1
RED Teams Prize Town Mayoreal Bonaparte Killed Night 1
Ego Mini Mafia Town Vanilla Survived Day 3
Boardwalk Empire Mafia: Pick Your Power Town Emperor Killed Night 1
TL Mafia LXI Town Detective Lynched Day 10
Smurf Mini Mafia Town Vanilla Endgamed Day 6
Death Note Mini Mafia Town Miller Lynched Day 1
Thug Life Mini Mafia Mafia Vanilla Lynched Day 3
Hogwarts Mafia Town Vigilante Lynched Day 1
Survivor Series Mafia Town Vanilla Endgamed Day 4
Default Suspicions Mafia Town Jack of all trades Killed Night 2
Foundation Mafia Town Vanilla Survived Day 3
III Titanic Mini Mafia: MS Paint Edition Mafia Janitor Endgamed Day 3
World Heavyweight Championship Mafia II Mafia Vanilla Lynched Day 1
Cell Mini Mafia Mafia Vanilla Unknown Day 2
Catastrophe Mafia Town Merchant Killed Night 5
You Only Shoot Once Mafia Town Pardoner Survived Day 9
[M][N] Detention Mafia Town Vanilla Lynched Day 4
Cell Mini Mafia II Town Vanilla Endgamed Day 3
[N] TL Order Mafia LXVI Town Mason Killed Night 1
World Cup Mini Mafia Town Vanilla Town killed Night 1
Team Melee Mini Mafia V: Newbies and Vets Town Vanilla Killed Night 1
Twitterverse Mini Mafia Town Literally A Bird Survived Day 3
Showdown Mafia Town Salesman Killed Night 4
TL Mafia LXVIII: Fanfic Crossover Edition Town Vanilla Lynched Day 2
2p2 Vanilla Werewolf 13er Town Vanilla Lynched Day 2
Fantasy Football (FFL) Mini Third Party Poisoner Lynched Day 4
Russia Today Mafia Roleblocker Endgamed Day 3

Have at it. Any input would be grand.

Eden1892

United States5866 Posts

January 27 2015 21:29 GMT

#945

i'm not reading all that shit lmfao

Half the Sky

Germany9029 Posts

January 27 2015 21:32 GMT

#946

First glance - Loads of one-liners in Cell and Russia Today.
He was scum in world heavyweight and advocated policy lynching D1. He spammed a lot though in that game. Had a few walls of text though.

Going to check out town games...

Half the Sky

Germany9029 Posts

January 27 2015 21:33 GMT

#947

On January 28 2015 06:29 Eden1892 wrote:
i'm not reading all that shit lmfao

Yea this is painful. I'm just trying to see if I can draw any sort of parallel between then and now, and only touching the most recent games.

Half the Sky

Germany9029 Posts

January 27 2015 21:34 GMT

#948

I honestly hope Palmar is scum. I really hate the way he's playing this game in general.

Rant over.

IAmRobik

United States5878 Posts

January 27 2015 21:46 GMT

#949

On January 28 2015 06:26 Half the Sky wrote:
Alright. For those of us who wish to try:

Here's Palmar's games out of the database. He has NOT rolled scum often at all this year.

+ Show Spoiler [Palmar] +

Have at it. Any input would be grand.

who cares about palmar...that's for people who will be alive in future days to worry about.

VisceraEyes

United States21171 Posts

January 27 2015 21:52 GMT

#950

##Vote: GlowingBear

I'm not sure if that was missed or whatever.

Eden1892

United States5866 Posts

January 27 2015 22:03 GMT

#951

On January 28 2015 06:52 VisceraEyes wrote:
##Vote: GlowingBear

I'm not sure if that was missed or whatever.

^this shit, right here. stop it

Eden1892

United States5866 Posts

January 27 2015 22:03 GMT

#952

i don't know what part of "stop giving scum a chance to cut short our time by 24 hours" y'all don't get

Trfel

7015 Posts

January 27 2015 22:04 GMT

#953

On January 28 2015 06:52 VisceraEyes wrote:
##Vote: GlowingBear

I'm not sure if that was missed or whatever.

Your vote was not missed, Artanis's joke votecount was simply created using an outdated votecount. The more recent one on Page 45 includes your vote.

IAmRobik

United States5878 Posts

January 27 2015 22:23 GMT

#954

On January 28 2015 07:03 Eden1892 wrote:

Show nested quote +

^this shit, right here. stop it

Eden1892

United States5866 Posts

January 27 2015 22:26 GMT

#955

On January 28 2015 07:23 IAmRobik wrote:

Show nested quote +

A+

Half the Sky

Germany9029 Posts

January 27 2015 22:44 GMT

#956

On January 28 2015 07:03 Eden1892 wrote:
i don't know what part of "stop giving scum a chance to cut short our time by 24 hours" y'all don't get

I've been out of thread for obvious reasons.
We need maximum time to discuss as anyone here can get nightkilled.

I have no problem revoting/possibly hammering GB and taking responsibility in the unlikely event I'm wrong.

And, I do trust Eden.

That said:

##unvote

Half the Sky

Germany9029 Posts

January 27 2015 22:45 GMT

#957

Now, where were we again?

Half the Sky

Germany9029 Posts

January 27 2015 22:45 GMT

#958

On January 28 2015 06:46 IAmRobik wrote:

Show nested quote +

who cares about palmar...that's for people who will be alive in future days to worry about.

Why are you saying this?

Eden1892

United States5866 Posts

January 27 2015 22:53 GMT

#959

OK, so back to it. I think GlowingBear is town, because:
(a) His lynch has been way too easy. We could have had him already several times if we'd wanted it, and I think if this weren't IML he would have been lynched by now.
(b) I'm inclined to believe him when he says he had a plan with his self-voting. I don't know what the plan is, and he's gonna have to explain it or get lynched, but pending a reasonable-sounding explanation, I'll believe that he's town.

From there I'm gonna go look at the other players. I'm town and I feel pretty strongly that Half the Sky is as well.

The first player I'm looking at is Onegu, because like I said before, if GlowingBear is town, then Onegu is town as well. I explained this early on p46, feel free to look back and see. Onegu is town.

I have a bad feeling about both Robik and Palmar. Robik has been very loud and animated about lynching GlowingBear, who I believe now to be town, and has done very little - nothing noteworthy enough for me to remember, anyway - outside of talking about killing GlowingBear. And from what I recall his original reasoning wasn't very good. Furthermore, I really didn't like the "playing to wincon" part of his accusation against GB. As I noted before, the only way Robik can accuse GB of not playing to win con as confidently as he did is if he knows GB is town, because mafia self-hammering can absolutely be part of the mafia win con (whereas town self-hammering never is part of town win con). Perhaps I'm getting greedy; I don't really believe in "scumslips." But I kinda think this was one.

Palmar, on the other hand, I feel more confident is mafia. I noted on p47 that Palmar seemed like a slightly more exaggerated version of himself in this game; he seemed to be more aggressively trolly/apathetic to start the day and then more aggressively active/ostensibly-helpful once that stopped. In my (limited) experience with Palmar as town, he tends to ease his way into a game; there's very little pushing to the degree he's done here, and his warmup process is slower and smoother. He doesn't go from 0 to 90 fucks given like he has here; it's more of a steady press on the give-a-fuck accelerator. It feels like he dropped a brick on the accelerator this game, like he was trying to make sure no one could question that he was being active and involved now.

Then there's his vote for GlowingBear... HTS already noted it. It's a policy vote, not a vote for mafia. The problem is that it's a policy vote based on GB martyring that's stayed on GB after GB retracted his self-vote. Policy votes are meant to be done to discourage the behavior triggering the policy vote. For them to be effective, then, there must be an incentive to revoke the behavior - a revoked vote in exchange. Palmar hasn't met GB halfway. If he really cares about the policy being effective, why is he not retracting his vote? On the other hand, if Palmar was just looking for a nice-sounding reason to put a vote down on GB (L-1 no less) and walk away, it makes perfect sense.

Toad and VE are still in my null pile; I don't see myself pursuing either of them as lynches today. liancourt, I still think is probably town because I can put myself in what I project to be his shoes and make sense of it from a townie POV.

##UNVOTE: Onegu
##VOTE: Palmar

Half the Sky

Germany9029 Posts

January 27 2015 22:53 GMT

#960

Need to go AFK for about 30m. I hope more are around then.

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