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On January 22 2015 07:34 Holyflare wrote: This is specifically what i'm talking about, you aren't interested in finding things out more than replying to people's questions about what you think instead.
We're back at square one. I have been trying. How does the above make me any different/worse than say, Oats/Lian, even Bats?
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On January 22 2015 07:44 Holyflare wrote: like literally i bring up hts and everyone fleeeeees the thread after saying they wouldn't mind lynching her
your top town kelsier and your other top town hf are on her, that should be enough
In case you missed it Holyflare:
On January 22 2015 07:36 Half the Sky wrote: HF, you've played games with me, what, twice? Others have had more experience. Reads are going to be different. People had stronger reads on other people. And you're saying all that makes me, or ANY person, mafia?
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On January 22 2015 07:46 Holyflare wrote: absolutely not, vote hts and I don't even care if you have a town read on her just do it
Why are you coaxing someone to vote any town read?
Maybe Koshi had a point asking how mafia you were.
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Holyflare, I really like how you didn't care as of two hours ago, and NOW YOU'RE SCREAMING ALL OF A DAMN SUDDEN kicking and screaming when I said MULTIPLE times people have had their different reasons for scumreading others.
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Holyflare, and his bullying tactics...
The question needs repeating: HOW SCUM ARE YOU!!?!?!??!?
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On January 22 2015 07:54 Holyflare wrote: i don't care if you like it or not at all it's what I always do when I have a lynch that I want
Funny that, Holyflare, you are the one who said post-game Carol that people needed to be right and convincing.
You berated Liancourt for pissing 4 cycles for the way he was browbeating and now FUNNY THAT YOU ARE DOING THE SAME BLOODY THING.
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On January 22 2015 07:57 Holyflare wrote: i literally do not care
Again, back at square one. You did not care as of an hour ago. Why do you suddenly care now?
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Goddamnit.
And, Holyflare, just stop. You want to scum read me, fine. Your rhetoric in doing so is absolutely ridiculous considering what you've said before.
(Sidenote: What film is that from?)
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Regarding Oats,
On January 22 2015 10:06 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On January 22 2015 06:16 Damdred wrote: we are lynching Oats today, I will put this in bullet points so that people can follow along
* Oats starts the game off by saying something is bad without any explanation and leaving the game. * He comes back and defends his view which some agree with and some don't and never draws conclusions from this * He never explains why he wants to lynch anyone or why he scum reads people * During fights or arguments he adds fuel to the fire in SLs case he makes it very clear that he thinks SL is lying and heaps more pressure on him. * Is not voting a scum read but came back said a case on him was bad put his vote down on the person who made the case said it was bad and left without explanation * is not being controversial but more side lines and flying under the radar, is not scum hunting
Oats is scum vote for him. 1. Thats not a point 2. That doesnt make me scum at all?!? It was never meant as a discussion point 3. Thats not true. 4. I have no idea what you are smoking cause thats also not true 5. Clearly I think you are scum and the second part of that is a non point. 6. This is so general that you could apply it to half the people in the game, so clearly that doesnt make me scum either.
To be honest, I don't like Oats' defence here at all. Yes, #1 is a point because HF voted you on it, though he later moved elsewhere. On #6, whether it's general or not, it's still a scumlike trait. Just because everyone is doing it, as you suggest, doesn't mean that you are less scum.
On #3, this is what I tried to point out with his throwing names around.
Oats, you threw Bats' name out randomly.
On January 21 2015 09:36 Half the Sky wrote:First time I think you've mentioned him. Why?
I questioned you on that. First time you ever brought up his name. You didn't respond. You threw his name on a list later on when Vivax asked you. You seemed to pick it up somewhat after your entrance, but when you threw Bats' name out like that, that's why I scumread you.
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On January 23 2015 00:32 Vivax wrote: Did anyone read my vote stuff with the Kelsier + HF * Oats theory?
I'm scumreading Oats for other reasons, the hole in your argument is that Oats had to vote Damdred way early since his EoD is too early I think. Checked the voting thread, he voted about 9h prior to EoD. Page 3 of his filter shows a 10h gap between posts, next post about an hour after EoD.
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On January 23 2015 02:24 KelsierSC wrote: Hts dont know I I saw your answer.
Can you explain why you townread SL later on after scum reading him earlier?
I didn't. I switched to Lian, because I felt more strongly about him.
SL does post erratically but he can do this as either alignment.
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Vivax, I hope you get better soon. Sounds horrible what you are going through, get some rest there.
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On January 23 2015 02:32 KelsierSC wrote:Show nested quote +On January 21 2015 01:37 Half the Sky wrote: Marv, yes, but that's a weaker read on my end. I didn't like his points he made against you. Still, I feel the most strongly about SL. Again I'm kind of curious what changed for you then
Early on I scumread SL because he posting something along the line of him having no scumreads and I said he should find one. There was the dodging which HF called him on. Later on, he was posting more and I was able to follow his thinking and what he felt on his scumreads. Particularly towards EoD, he was pushing Lian, but that was obviously after I had switched votes.
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On January 23 2015 02:32 Vivax wrote: But thanks, very kind of you. Unless you're scum and just want to buddy me up.
If you're referring to me, it should be NAI. If someone acknowledges an RL issue, I say it regardless. You will notice when Marv left the game, I did the same.
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To clarify for Kels, the early gameplay is still leaning in my head. I said before he can post erratically as any alignment, which is why I'm not townreading him.
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Vivax, I saw your more substantial reasons for scumreading Oats (besides the vote analysis).
You asked him for scumreads. He threw out a list. Your thoughts on that list, and how he threw it out?
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Wile, Kelsier actually posted a case, so I'm inclined to think he's town even if he's dead on wrong. HF pushes Damdred, votes him, decides he can't be arsed enough, tells everyone and then comes in an hour prior to EoD, and is like "let's just wagon onto hts" or however he put it.
HF is likely scum just by the way he comes in like that close to EoD. Like how he just came in Carol and posted that case on his reads close to EoD.
Other wagons, when I do vote analysis I usually pay attention to the isolated (one-vote) and the 2 leading wagons. Given the shifting in the votes, you have Sicklucker who had to save himself, so that in of itself is NAI. Vivax sheeped Koshi, who was admittedly pushing a policy vote.
Does Vivax normally sheep? He had RL issues that impeded his ability to play D1, so on that, I'm inclined to give him the BOTD. Koshi was trying to solve the game earlier and he admitted the lian vote was policy on his end and he did push that. So I'd say Koshi is town. That brings me back to Sicklucker.
Oats I have already said is suspect for other reasons. I can't hold the vote in of itself against him based on when he voted relative to EoD. But that obviously doesn't clear him.
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Also Damdred's solo vote, he voted Oats. He felt strongly about this vote but who else was he scumreading? I thought he was scumreading Lian at some point. So why didn't he consolidate onto Lian?
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EBWOP: Okay, here's the quote.
On January 22 2015 00:02 Damdred wrote: Just off the top of my head without looing back that SL is scummy and takes a ton of stuff out of context, and lian is suspect for the way hes going after things
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Regarding the second wagon, it's hard to say when taking everything else into account.
As for you having read your filter you are all over the place. I don't know if you are normally like this, another sicklucker for instance, You appeared to be scumreading SL, but between the way you were going all out on everyone and trying to get people to vote for him, it didn't appear to me you were pushing him as hard as you could have.
Bats threw out what I felt was a 50/50 vote on Kelsier and then if I recall right, pushed SL, so I'm inclined to think he's leaning town. His activity has been impeded by RL though.
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