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On January 22 2015 02:40 KelsierSC wrote: what do you mean why did I phrase it that way. Kels, I quoted the last section of your case, but since you responded... On January 22 2015 02:40 KelsierSC wrote: so clearly you knew i was talking about SL dodging a question damdred, you agreed with me. But that question never existed. We went through this. Did I recall? No. Did I assume? Yes. Do you really think I was going to argue or even comment on a point I didn't recall? Again, I recalled the points I was involved with, Marv and Lian. | ||
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On January 22 2015 02:46 Koshi wrote: Can you answer more dangerously. This is all pretty boring. Alright, disregarding meta, then. Lian, I already explained. Scumread. Slam did press Lian and threatened to vote him if he dodged questions. On this alone, I'd townread him but that's about all he has done. VA, disregarding meta, I'd scumread since he's not doing anything. Random votes Slam. Is he hiding behind meta? I don't know. Wile is a null. Answered questions from HF, did do some probing of people in the game, he did ask me some questions. Nothing has stuck out as scumlike. Oats appeared his usual self until the call for the Bats lynch and the push on Vivax. Those two actions would have me scumread him. | ||
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On January 22 2015 02:53 KelsierSC wrote: ok but in what fucking universe is it a good mentality when someone calls out someone on something you don't remember, and rather than question it or argue you just agree with me? Kels, maybe my understanding of English is different but not arguing a point with you does not mean I'm agreeing with you. Have you considered that some people may not question something because they feel what they already have in front of them is enough? | ||
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On January 22 2015 03:05 KelsierSC wrote: hmm that's weird because I don't remember there being a question on Dam. [/QUOTE] Again Kels, it goes to how you phrased your question: On January 21 2015 01:25 KelsierSC wrote: you didn't mention him dodging the question about damd? that felt like a big sidestep | ||
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On January 22 2015 04:54 Vivax wrote: Now instead of helping him push the lynch, you try to talk to him about Slam and Vayne. I strongly smell a bus here. Vivax, I was answering Koshi's question to me about his scumpool. His scumpool contained Slam in it. He told me that Slam and Vayne were playing different games so that was in my response. Yes, Lian is my top lynch, he was a scumread. | ||
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On January 22 2015 04:51 KelsierSC wrote: I think he's been pretty active since he got pinged out. I like some of the stuff he said. Also you look at dam and hts just jumping onto the wagon and they are both scummy to me. Especially the way hts did it. Context please. Damdred isn't even on a wagon, you just called him for wasting his vote. Lian is a scumread of mine, which justifies the switch, and Koshi is pushing to consolidate votes. | ||
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I've played one game where he was scum (Carol) and if I recall right in that game he might have been misleading and was eventually caught out D2. Vivax you were in that game too, not sure how much you remember. Bats called him once for being out of context in this game, but it was not to the level it was in Carol. I'm inclined to say leaning town. Nine-page filter, so might need to keep digging harder. | ||
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On January 22 2015 05:16 KelsierSC wrote: Carol I called everyone town, got called out d1 then got knocked out in the shower. Ehhh, you didn't, but I digress. Trfel's case on you was D2, but meh. On December 10 2014 19:22 KelsierSC wrote: Hello, back to the thread and reading through now. Firstly people who are scum reading me for my scrooge comment , specifically viven and rasputin, you don't realise I never actually noticed a hole in the set up but then retracted it is just a reaction test. viv then goes on to say that I didn't follow up on ff, This is completely false (additional quotes deleted for brevity) I pointed out flaws in his logic and have asked follow up questions which he hasn't answered yet. I have called ff one of my scum so saying I don't provide info or follow up is false. The final point of me being scum is that I am curious about people who town read slam, but don't provide the information. Well I noticed nb called him town quite early and that again made me sit up, but then dam did it aswell and I think rasputin did it and I have both of them town so perhbaps the heuristic isn't that useful, again I didn't make a post saying "actually guys I didn't get information off of people calling slam town" I just gave my town reads. Again people say I have fluffy , one liner reads are completely misrepresenting my play. I have explained all my reads if you are unsure you can ask me about it in more detail, no one has actually asked me to do that apart from getting me to explain my bs read, they just falsely accuse me. Anyway having put to bed all those arguments I am going to add a few people to my town circle and then start deciding who I want to lynch. I'm going to add Lonemeow to the town circle for d1, I like his analysis of the d1 wagon on NB, he looked at the people voting and how they voted and it made him uncomfortable with the lynch, the post felt town. He also reads ff as pretty scummy and I like that read a lot. So my town circle contains. hf,bats,dam,templar,xat,kit,koshi,lonemeow,rasp, It is possible that X in my circle finds Y scummy but Z in my circle finds Y town. Yeh town can have different opinions. But these people have projected town to me and I am happy going forward. My main scum reads are FF, NB, hts, LS and Kush questions, comments go ahead. | ||
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On December 14 2014 06:06 Trfel wrote: Ok, I'm pretty suspicious of KelsierSC. The first real thing he does in the game are these posts, which I'm sure everyone is familiar with: This feels really weak to me, especially now that KelsierSC linked the game that he refers to. I don't understand how he can possibly find Fecalfeast the slightest bit scummy for this. It feels like he is really forcing this read from nothing, while potentially identifying a stupid Scrooge (which happened...) and appearing towny. Same with his early townread on Holyflare. Even Holyflare says that it is weak, and I agree. We've already established that Holyflare is really good at playing Mafia, and that makes it really hard to identify him. So no, a meta case that early into the game isn't very good. This post again lacks substance, and feels like he is making a read for the purpose of making a read. This post seems to take even more force out of his meta case on Fecalfeast. Is it really a good argument, if he isn't sure himself what Fecalfeast's day 1 play is like? KelsierSC and I seem to be the only two people who read batsnacks as town for the post he made on Half the Sky. (Since then, batsnacks' play has made me much more suspicious, but that isn't the point of this post). The weird thing is, KelsierSC read batsnacks as town because he agreed with batsnacks' post. The validity of batsnacks' post has since been shown to be very questionable, but KelsierSC hasn't changed his stance. KelsierSC then spends several posts focusing on Alakaslam. Here is his explanation. Later, he goes back on this and says that this didn't end up working out. More words, less analysis. His scum list seems to be changing without that much explanation. He says that he would happily vote 27nb, but doesn't include her in his lynch list. And his inclusion of Vivax in the lynch list for bad reads seems strange. Bad reads don't necessarily make someone scum, it is the intent behind them. And these reads are seeming forced. Later, he comes back with a new post, and Vivax isn't mentioned in his scum reads at all. The point about his changing stance on ritoky is also interesting. He puts ritoky into his town circle, then adds him to his lynch list, saying he has done absolutely nothing. His explanation of this is that he forgot he had him in his town circle. Shouldn't his reads be the same every time, even if he forgot all of his previous reads? If he was trying hard to make real reads, they would. If his read changed due to new information, that would be good, but the only new information he provided is that a few people scumread him. "I forgot" and "others are scumreading him" are not good reasons to change a read like that, he should at least investigate the case himself. In conclusion, I would be happy to lynch KelsierSC. Moreso than Fecalfeast, anyway. Obviously it's not certain, but it seems better than anything else. Now I will take a look at GlowingBear's complete case on Holyflare. | ||
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On January 22 2015 05:38 KelsierSC wrote: so you scum read vivax and townread me but now you decide to softly throw scum on me once I start calling you out. can we lynch hts already. First, I said before my scum read was a weak read. Vivax asked me a question to help him come up with a read on you. I responded. If someone brings something up, I'm going to examine it. If Vivax is taking things out of context I will actually have further reason to scumread him. If you have a problem with his read or his case, defend yourself. It's that simple. | ||
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Based on my latest scumreads, the ones that Koshi asked, I would go for Lian, possibly Oats. | ||
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On January 22 2015 07:15 Holyflare wrote: we're killing hts, you should be voting with me Because? | ||
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On January 22 2015 07:26 Koshi wrote: HTS is back to asking questions I don't know where they are leading her to. The scumhunting doesn't stop, there is more than one scum in this game. Doesn't mean I can't still push whom I want lynched. | ||
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On January 22 2015 07:27 Holyflare wrote: boring play, scum reads only on people that are afk that haven't really been updated all game, only replying to questions and not really doing any positive digging herself probably mafia and gets my vote + gets info for other people Boring play? Sorry I don't have a "sparkling" personality or whatever you deem worthy of being in this game. I already explained to Koshi where I'm having trouble getting decent reads on some people. Replying to questions has been taking up most of my time aside from reading filters because I'm getting so many of them. Context please. | ||
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