PYP: Pick Your Protoss Mini Mafia

On January 24 2015 23:35 Alakaslam wrote:
I sell cigarettes and lotto tickets

And some other stuff.

Thank heaven.

On January 26 2015 01:41 Palmar wrote:
Slam read my plan.

Oats might be mafia

On January 26 2015 02:29 rsoultin wrote:


xP Considering your plan looks like mostly not picking clearly scum-aligned roles, why would I say as either alignment that I was changing my role?

You're amusing.

Okay, just wondering if straight-up assigning roles was on the table or not. I can see the drawback being of course that scum would already know who had which role...but yeah. Eh, I'll let y'all figure out the setup @.@

On January 26 2015 08:50 Onegu wrote:



I think palmar is town... But should still be checked n1.

On January 26 2015 08:55 Superbia wrote:
Game hasn't even started yet and I already kind of want to lynch oats.

On January 26 2015 08:57 Superbia wrote:


Probably being mafia.

On January 26 2015 09:07 ObiWanShinobi wrote:


Try following the same plan Onegu is following, imo.

On January 25 2015 21:33 Palmar wrote:
How does this look:

1. Palmar (Warp Prism)
2. superbia (Tempest/Obs/Oracle/Phoenix/Mothership/Core/Immortal/Archon/Void Ray)
3. ObiWanShinobi (Colossus)
4. IAmRobik (Tempest/Obs/Oracle/Phoenix/Mothership/Core/Immortal/Archon/Void Ray)
5. rsoultin (Tempest/Obs/Oracle/Phoenix/Mothership/Core/Immortal/Archon/Void Ray)
6. Fecalfeast (Tempest/Obs/Oracle/Phoenix/Mothership/Core/Immortal/Archon/Void Ray)
7. mderg (Tempest/Obs/Oracle/Phoenix/Mothership/Core/Immortal/Archon/Void Ray)
8. sicklucker (Tempest/Obs/Oracle/Phoenix/Mothership/Core/Immortal/Archon/Void Ray)
9. The Milkman (Tempest/Obs/Oracle/Phoenix/Mothership/Core/Immortal/Archon/Void Ray)
10. Oatsmaster (Tempest/Obs/Oracle/Phoenix/Mothership/Core/Immortal/Archon/Void Ray)
11. Onegu (DT/Carrier/HT/Zealot/Stalker/Sentry)
12. marvellosity (probe)
13. Alakaslam (Tempest/Obs/Oracle/Phoenix/Mothership/Core/Immortal/Archon/Void Ray)

On January 26 2015 09:17 ObiWanShinobi wrote:


Palmar wants Onegu to claim a mafia role so he can check and see if any of the players in the middle of the list have it, and he's going to claim as the game starts so we ensure there's nothing super antitown in the ranks.

You can do the same, I think?

On January 26 2015 11:06 Fecalfeast wrote:
awww who the fuck picked my role

On January 26 2015 11:24 Fecalfeast wrote:
wanna build stuff together slam?

On January 26 2015 11:29 IAmRobik wrote:

I'm sorry you rolled mafia

On January 26 2015 11:36 IAmRobik wrote:

Cause he didn't get what he wanted and no one wants to be mafia, so he must be mafia

On January 26 2015 12:04 sicklucker wrote:


you are a vt...

On January 26 2015 12:56 The Milkman wrote:

I am a Mafia Player.

I play Mafia.

I am a waste management technician. I need to prevent blockages and this device is one of my tools. This job is unsavoury but it must be performed by someone. I have a special phone. Hello? Testing, testing. 1.. 2.. 3.. Can you hear me? Is there anyone on the line? I can climb telephone poles.

I am the Milkman.

My milk is delicious.

On January 26 2015 12:56 The Milkman wrote:

I am a Mafia Player.

I play Mafia.

I am a waste management technician. I need to prevent blockages and this device is one of my tools. This job is unsavoury but it must be performed by someone. I have a special phone. Hello? Testing, testing. 1.. 2.. 3.. Can you hear me? Is there anyone on the line? I can climb telephone poles.

I am the Milkman.

My milk is delicious.

On January 27 2015 02:11 Palmar wrote:

I am nostradamus, remember.

On January 25 2015 19:46 Palmar wrote:
The day 1 strategy SHOULD be this:

Core and Tempest claim.

We then proceed to day 1 scumhunting and lynching as normal.

During the night the following should happen:

Colossus shoots 2 people with the help of town. Void ray charges his lazer. Archon, immortal, and the motherships do whatever they please.

Obs
tempest (has claimed)
oracle
phoenix

All make checks. Hell, we could even claim all these 4 roles because it will take mafia a long time to kill off all the check roles (that's assuming they're all controlled by town of course )

Actually yes, we force all the checking roles to claim this means that by day 2 we have the following info:

3 checks (assuming mafia kills one, and doesn't get owned by the mothership docs)
1 lynch
2 people killed by town
1 people killed by mafia

+ whatever shenanigans the mafia pulls.

This is clearly a MUCH better strategy than "everyone does his own thing".

On January 27 2015 08:39 Onegu wrote:
So I can't even storm day 1 and feedback n1. So if we want a storm I should do it day one so I can't be RB.

On January 27 2015 10:59 Fecalfeast wrote:
SL do you really not know the difference between "are" and "our" or what?

On January 27 2015 11:04 The Milkman wrote:


So why should I have listened to Palmar, because I missed his flip during picking phase I guess?
I made my own analysis and acted accordingly, I am really tired of defending a good play and risking being lynched over it.

On January 27 2015 11:06 Fecalfeast wrote:
Ok then. Seems I hit a nerve.

Does the storm KP go through instantly or does it wait until the end of the day?

On January 27 2015 11:10 The Milkman wrote:

FoS sounds like finger pointing to me y'know. That's why I am reacting. It's not unusual to get buried under all those fingers and then nothing goes through (poor Kavdragon).



Role description says at any point of the day and Onegu kind of confirmed he can do it wherever.

On January 27 2015 11:14 The Milkman wrote:

I am unroleblockable because I am Massive.

On January 27 2015 11:19 Oatsmaster wrote:

seriously with this, what the fuck is your vote on me? Im the only one calling marv town.

On January 27 2015 11:19 Oatsmaster wrote:

seriously with this, what the fuck is your vote on me? Im the only one calling marv town.

On January 27 2015 11:18 Oatsmaster wrote:

so you call everyone scum then?

Cause everyone wants onegu to use kp.

On January 27 2015 12:00 Onegu wrote:



Slam are you scum not wanting to get hit by the aoe.

On January 27 2015 14:26 Fecalfeast wrote:
slam you seem different this game

On January 27 2015 14:26 Fecalfeast wrote:
slam you seem different this game

On January 27 2015 17:46 Oatsmaster wrote:
Probably not at a ridiculous time in america

On January 27 2015 19:09 sicklucker wrote:
Like I barely paid attention but milkman seemed pretty townie. He was explaining roles to me and shit. whos the other person getting targeting besides me again?

On January 28 2015 00:41 Onegu wrote:
Would have rather stormed obs at this point but o well.

On January 28 2015 00:53 ObiWanShinobi wrote:




y

On January 28 2015 02:15 rsoultin wrote:
From a not-entirely-plugged-in perspective this town seems way too kill-happy for me.

On January 28 2015 07:23 mderg wrote:

I'd say it's pretty unlikely that we don't have enough checkers to get both Palmar and Onegu checked. The checking roles should be pretty high priority after all.

On January 28 2015 07:31 mderg wrote:

Considering how crazy you are sometimes your claim could also be fake. You never know.

On January 28 2015 07:35 IAmRobik wrote:
Who wants to play a game?

On January 28 2015 07:37 IAmRobik wrote:

Give me a number, a color and an exact time on a 24h clock

On January 28 2015 07:51 IAmRobik wrote:

now we wait

On January 28 2015 08:25 Onegu wrote:
Like why in the hell would I

On January 28 2015 09:05 Fecalfeast wrote:




lol

On January 28 2015 10:21 Palmar wrote:

I am confirmed.

Anyone who disagrees is basically just bad at everything.

On January 28 2015 11:04 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Why are people trying to confirm themselves off of Marv's flip?

lol for srs

On January 29 2015 01:49 Palmar wrote:
People did exactly what I said?

or at least mostly.

They lynched marv. I said lynch marv. Life is good.

On January 25 2015 19:21 Palmar wrote:
It's amazing that I have to be the one that tries to come up with a strategy. You all suck and mafia will 100% win this game.

I'm reading the roles and here is what I have so far.

Mothership can be picked by town. As the mothership is not a high priority target for mafia to hit, the PGO part is fairly useless. The doc part on the other hand is strong. This means that anyone who picks mothership and doesn't claim day 1 is always going to be mafia.

zealot/stalker is essentially the same role. I think it's a bad role for town, but I think the zealot may be less bad because of transparency.

Dark templar pick = mafia. We're policy lynching/shooting anyone who at any point claims the Dark Templar. Seriously, picking probe is better for town than that mf.

High templar pick = mafia. Way too much random uncontrolled KP in a setup that can literally end on day 2 or something dumb because town shoots each other.

Sentry is just a roleblocker. I don't think we should allow this role to be picked.

Archon is a great pick for both factions. I might pick it, or we might try to find someone really townie to pick it for us in the top player list. Please start being townie guys.

Observer is quite strong, although I think his delayed check is just pointless. Another role I might pick. Observer is probably going in the top 3-ish, so whoever is mothership should absolutely claim and then protect the obs.

I like the immortal. Strong role that has potential to protect other players from KP.

Colossus is probably a good vigi role. This is a role that needs to be 100% controlled by town. We have to make the colossus shoot whoever we want it to shoot. Basically because I don't think the colossus can be roleblocked, he should claim day 1 or night 1 and announce his targets and allow town to discuss them. Basically lynches are generally better for town than vigi shots, so if you allow other people input into where in the player list you shoot, the chance of success increases. I might actually just pick this role so we know where it is.

On January 25 2015 19:28 Palmar wrote:
oh phoenix is another cop. We need to get that one in good hands, and the oracle is one too, although the oracle is the most mafia favored one (only one check which is easy to "fake" and they get a shot).

Void ray is just yet another vigi it seems like. It's good for town as it doesn't allow shots until n2.

Tempest is a good bait target. ie we should pick it and claim it. He's sorta hard to kill and gives the observer and phoenix a free night of checks it seems?

Carrier = mafia role. Multi-shot vigi that can be set up to go off? The shots are set up before information is available? It's a terrible role for town just like DT. Picking it = scumclaim.

Tempest = doc that's hard to kill. This is the doc that doesn't have to day 1 claim (the core should always day 1 claim because of the PGO part that can be activated).

On January 25 2015 19:39 Palmar wrote:
Okay so to make it more clear:

Good town roles:

Core (only with a day 1 claim)
Archon
Obs
Immortal
Colossus
Phoenix
Void Ray
Tempest (only with a day 1 claim)
Mothership

That's 9 roles and there are 13 players. I'm trying to figure out if we should really allow any other roles. Warp prism messes with the colossus shot, the zealot and stalker are both massive wildcards (mafia taking them can both shoot people, and mess with checks/town kp) Carrier/DT/HT are clear mafia roles.

On January 25 2015 19:46 Palmar wrote:
The day 1 strategy SHOULD be this:

Core and Tempest claim.

We then proceed to day 1 scumhunting and lynching as normal.

During the night the following should happen:

Colossus shoots 2 people with the help of town. Void ray charges his lazer. Archon, immortal, and the motherships do whatever they please.

Obs
tempest (has claimed)
oracle
phoenix

All make checks. Hell, we could even claim all these 4 roles because it will take mafia a long time to kill off all the check roles (that's assuming they're all controlled by town of course )

Actually yes, we force all the checking roles to claim this means that by day 2 we have the following info:

3 checks (assuming mafia kills one, and doesn't get owned by the mothership docs)
1 lynch
2 people killed by town
1 people killed by mafia

+ whatever shenanigans the mafia pulls.

This is clearly a MUCH better strategy than "everyone does his own thing".

On January 25 2015 21:18 Palmar wrote:
Approved protection/survivability roles
Mothership Core (claims)
Mothership
Immortal
Archon

Approved investigative roles
Observer
Phoenix
Tempest (claims)
Oracle

Approved vigilante roles
Colossus
Void Ray

Mafia roles. Pick = scumclaim
Warp Prism
Zealot
Stalker
Sentry
HT
DT
Carrier

On January 25 2015 21:18 Palmar wrote:
Approved protection/survivability roles
Mothership Core (claims)
Mothership
Immortal
Archon

Approved investigative roles
Observer
Phoenix
Tempest (claims)
Oracle

Approved vigilante roles
Colossus
Void Ray

Mafia roles. Pick = scumclaim
Warp Prism only ok if I pick it but not you ppl
Zealot
Stalker
Sentry
HT
DT
Carrier

On January 25 2015 21:18 Palmar wrote:
Approved protection/survivability roles
Mothership Core (claims)
Mothership
Immortal
Archon

Approved investigative roles
Observer
Phoenix
Tempest (claims)
Oracle

Approved vigilante roles
Colossus
Void Ray

Mafia roles. Pick = scumclaim
Warp Prism
Zealot
Stalker
Sentry
HT Onegu can have this one though
DT
Carrier Ppl I like can pick this too and be ok

On January 28 2015 02:06 Palmar wrote:
Onegu and Marv are mafia

On January 29 2015 10:54 Superbia wrote:
Like we told Obi to KP him + oats. They both flipped town, which sucks, but it probably needed to happen.

On January 29 2015 10:56 sicklucker wrote:


oh we did? then slam your bad!

On January 29 2015 11:04 rsoultin wrote:
o.0 Milkman was the one you were yelling at everyone to kill Onegu for. Have you forgotten so quickly, SL?

On January 29 2015 11:10 rsoultin wrote:


Was that the post where he said since he was an easy read he'd be safer to give a scum role to?

On January 29 2015 11:10 sicklucker wrote:


Name wasint really important. All I remembered was his alignment

On January 29 2015 11:11 rsoultin wrote:


Kinda surprised the observer role was left way at the bottom of the list, Slam the Man, tbh.

On January 29 2015 11:14 Superbia wrote:


I claim the Prophet role, btw.

On January 29 2015 11:15 sicklucker wrote:
Immortal - Armored, 1 Armor
Tank: Passive ability. The immortal's massive shield blocks 1 KP each night.
Roach Bait: The immortal is always focus fired which gives other units a higher survival rate. Pick a target, and the first KP they receive will instead be applied to you (note your first ability). Since massive targets are high-priority units, this ability will not work on them. Refunded the following cycle if you use it on a massive unit.
Shields Up!: Researches an armor upgrade for the immortal, giving it an additional 1 armor for the rest of the game. This ability can be used up to three times.

How was this ability not used on palmer? I know the real immortal is between ff/robik and whoever it is has to be town because the role is so pro town.

Like whoever is immortal is actually retarded who mafia used multiple kp on palmer which seems kind of unlikely.

Did ff really claim probe? If he did this means robik is 100%town immortal. But I refuse to believe he didnt save palmer

On January 29 2015 11:25 sicklucker wrote:
2. superbia - Town
3. ObiWanShinobi - null
4. IAmRobik - Confirmed town
5. rsoultin Town
6. Fecalfeast unkown probe
7. mderg mafia
8. sicklucker confirmed town probe
13. Alakaslam Bad checks unknown alignment.

The last mafia by poe is one of slam/obi/ff This game is so easy everyone else is already like 95% confirmed town. Mafia just concede

On January 29 2015 11:38 sicklucker wrote:
So you picked a role thats immune to alignment checks. Interesting..

On January 29 2015 11:39 Alakaslam wrote:

true, but it's a check role that was less likely to be taken.

and I won.

On January 29 2015 12:02 rsoultin wrote:


She, yes.

Alaka has been remarkably lucid this game compared to other games I've played with him in. I think I commented earlier that we've been on the same page a lot. I have no clue if that means anything about his alignment, though.

On January 29 2015 12:05 Superbia wrote:
Like it's very simple, if slam is alive in final 3 you lynch him.

On January 29 2015 12:19 Superbia wrote:


Hmm? To be honest we're going to solve the game before final 3 if you're town and you're going to be left alive by mafia.

On January 29 2015 12:18 rsoultin wrote:


I have to say that I vastly enjoyed your anti-Palmar rant. Even though it was in his filter why he switched over to Warp Prism. It still made me giggle.

On January 29 2015 12:54 sicklucker wrote:


well then you kill who we say.

On January 30 2015 06:05 Fecalfeast wrote:
I like your sig with cupazi better