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Superbia
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Netherlands8889 Posts
January 25 2015 13:19 GMT
#301
Actually that same check garbage doesn't make any sense because another scum could've picked it up.
Minimal effort.
Superbia
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Netherlands8889 Posts
January 25 2015 13:21 GMT
#302
From my perspective it would be great if Obi check-picked WP.
Minimal effort.
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
January 25 2015 14:15 GMT
#303
Whatever you do, don't overconfirm me.

Like if you have a legitimate reason to think I'm mafia, go for it, double, triple, quadruple confirm me if you must. But you gotta remember that wasting resources on confirming someone you ALREADY townread (I think most people townread me by now?) is much less productive than using these same resources to clear out the muddy waters of null and red reads.

At some point people need to trust their reads. If you think I'm mafia, force me to take something self-confirmable and make someone else get the WP. The point is to actually use analysis (scumhunting) to give that dangerous role to someone who is always going to be town.

For me it's easy to know I'm town, but if you're so paranoid that I'm mafia, then just go ahead and find a better target in the top 2-4 ish to give it to. In the top 4 players there is always going to be one townie right?
Computer says mafia
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
January 25 2015 14:16 GMT
#304
My point is, don't make a decision and then waffle on that decision with half the shit we could be doing.

Make a decision, run with it and see where it takes us.
Computer says mafia
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
January 25 2015 14:17 GMT
#305
Also, marv seems to have vanished which probably confirms I'm right that he's mafia. If he actually is I'm going to start seriously doubting that hosts actually RNG people into teams.
Computer says mafia
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
January 25 2015 14:45 GMT
#306
Why would it not be RNG? Who would be so mean?
No gg, No skill.
The Milkman
Profile Joined February 2013
Mongolia140 Posts
January 25 2015 14:53 GMT
#307
I go bowling and this happens, Palmar firing up some additional engines to mass post. At least they are meaningful.
I disagree that VR and Colossus are Town roles. Colossus has no power over who is his second shot, VR packs too strong of a punch. I'd put VR at best on neutral ground, but Colossus with double shot + coward + massive is just no bueno.

It's weird that you haven't understood Warp Prism Palmar, what is more worrying is you (then) ignoring my role analysis. It is true I did not create plans, but at that time draft wasn't public and then I am not one of sandroba's or syllogism's kin to do things like that. I don't think Sentry is that 'Mafia', I think it's 2 Armor aura could be used to great extent. Although rightly so somebody can just stick to the RB and shout obscenities. Anyway, I want Palmar to get WP, Obi picking Colossus on 3rd would be imho a waste if he is Town, which he kind-of-seems-like, because of the carelessness of his behaviour, but I'll have to think a little more about that, having quite hectic days.
Anyway, I am down on the list so I'll probably get a Probe, but that's fine with me. I think my icon is still a Probe.
My milk is delicious.
ObiWanShinobi
Profile Joined April 2014
United States8089 Posts
January 25 2015 14:55 GMT
#308
Yeah, I kinda realized the DT is useless outside of stopping alignment checks but I was in the mindset to deny anything that can't be checked.

At this point it seems like a waste because I managed to get so high on the draft list but idrk.
Retired.
ObiWanShinobi
Profile Joined April 2014
United States8089 Posts
January 25 2015 14:56 GMT
#309
The KP is sort of nice but there are so many more dangerous roles out there.
Retired.
ObiWanShinobi
Profile Joined April 2014
United States8089 Posts
January 25 2015 15:11 GMT
#310
On January 25 2015 22:21 Superbia wrote:
From my perspective it would be great if Obi check-picked WP.


There is no world where I ever do this.
Retired.
Onegu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States9699 Posts
January 25 2015 15:18 GMT
#311
On January 26 2015 00:11 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 25 2015 22:21 Superbia wrote:
From my perspective it would be great if Obi check-picked WP.


There is no world where I ever do this.

In the infinite universes there isn't one where you do it? I don't believe...
Try TL Mafia!!!
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
January 25 2015 15:35 GMT
#312
On January 25 2015 23:53 The Milkman wrote:
I go bowling and this happens, Palmar firing up some additional engines to mass post. At least they are meaningful.
I disagree that VR and Colossus are Town roles. Colossus has no power over who is his second shot, VR packs too strong of a punch. I'd put VR at best on neutral ground, but Colossus with double shot + coward + massive is just no bueno.

It's weird that you haven't understood Warp Prism Palmar, what is more worrying is you (then) ignoring my role analysis. It is true I did not create plans, but at that time draft wasn't public and then I am not one of sandroba's or syllogism's kin to do things like that. I don't think Sentry is that 'Mafia', I think it's 2 Armor aura could be used to great extent. Although rightly so somebody can just stick to the RB and shout obscenities. Anyway, I want Palmar to get WP, Obi picking Colossus on 3rd would be imho a waste if he is Town, which he kind-of-seems-like, because of the carelessness of his behaviour, but I'll have to think a little more about that, having quite hectic days.
Anyway, I am down on the list so I'll probably get a Probe, but that's fine with me. I think my icon is still a Probe.


I didn't read warp prism, I have now. It is a strong role and I'm taking it.

The roleblock just messes with us. If mafia doesn't get KP roles the sentry is useless.

You're missing the point on colossus. It's a double "lynch" for town and he has perfect control over who he shoots, the only condition is that those two have to be right next to each other. The reason I like Colossus over the other vigis for town is that:

a) it cannot be roleblocked, so no shenanigans.
b) it doesn't have the warp ability which is incredibly mafia favored (taking control away from townies). We WILL policy lynch anyone who at any point in the game uses a warp ability.
c) it is two KP that can be aimed into the playerlist and controlled, so it is much harder to "fake" than other KP roles.

It's basically a brilliant ability to give us more KP. Basically we'll find a scummy player and shoot him and pick whoever of his neighbours is more scummy than the other. It might even be very useful for discussion.
Computer says mafia
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
January 25 2015 15:39 GMT
#313
On January 25 2015 23:55 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Yeah, I kinda realized the DT is useless outside of stopping alignment checks but I was in the mindset to deny anything that can't be checked.

At this point it seems like a waste because I managed to get so high on the draft list but idrk.

I honestly don't care if mafia picks DT.

If there is an undocumented shot, we lynch probes.

DT can only shoot and fakeclaim: zealot, stalker, oracle, ht, tempest. the oracle and tempest should be checking on night 1, not shooting, and the zealot, stalker and HT are autolynches just like DT.

DO NOT PICK MAFIA ROLES.
Computer says mafia
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
January 25 2015 15:41 GMT
#314
Like it's the entire reason I like void ray and colossus, those two vigis have something that makes them "special" and they don't have shenanigans abilities. The colossus is the ONLY ability in the game that hits two people next to each other, and the void ray is the ONLY ability in the game that requires charge up and can then hit three people.

The void ray claims on day 2 btw.
Computer says mafia
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
January 25 2015 15:42 GMT
#315
On January 26 2015 00:35 Palmar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 25 2015 23:53 The Milkman wrote:
I go bowling and this happens, Palmar firing up some additional engines to mass post. At least they are meaningful.
I disagree that VR and Colossus are Town roles. Colossus has no power over who is his second shot, VR packs too strong of a punch. I'd put VR at best on neutral ground, but Colossus with double shot + coward + massive is just no bueno.

It's weird that you haven't understood Warp Prism Palmar, what is more worrying is you (then) ignoring my role analysis. It is true I did not create plans, but at that time draft wasn't public and then I am not one of sandroba's or syllogism's kin to do things like that. I don't think Sentry is that 'Mafia', I think it's 2 Armor aura could be used to great extent. Although rightly so somebody can just stick to the RB and shout obscenities. Anyway, I want Palmar to get WP, Obi picking Colossus on 3rd would be imho a waste if he is Town, which he kind-of-seems-like, because of the carelessness of his behaviour, but I'll have to think a little more about that, having quite hectic days.
Anyway, I am down on the list so I'll probably get a Probe, but that's fine with me. I think my icon is still a Probe.


I didn't read warp prism, I have now. It is a strong role and I'm taking it.

The roleblock just messes with us. If mafia doesn't get KP roles the sentry is useless.

You're missing the point on colossus. It's a double "lynch" for town and he has perfect control over who he shoots, the only condition is that those two have to be right next to each other. The reason I like Colossus over the other vigis for town is that:

a) it cannot be roleblocked, so no shenanigans.
b) it doesn't have the warp ability which is incredibly mafia favored (taking control away from townies). We WILL policy lynch anyone who at any point in the game uses a warp ability.
c) it is two KP that can be aimed into the playerlist and controlled, so it is much harder to "fake" than other KP roles.

It's basically a brilliant ability to give us more KP. Basically we'll find a scummy player and shoot him and pick whoever of his neighbours is more scummy than the other. It might even be very useful for discussion.


Okay...so I get that it can't be, what's the word, easily faked. Kinda. Assuming that you don't have 2 kp available in scum and they hit people side-by-side for the wifom and lols watching town flip shit over it, (I haven't double-checked to be certain there are no other roles with splash effect type kp, but I seem to remember reading that in there somewhere). The next question is how useful is a vigi shot to town that isn't targeted?

You're assuming town gets lucky enough to have a scummy next to a scum where getting rid of both actually is a good play. I mean, it happens, but I dunnae how likely that is.
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
January 25 2015 15:49 GMT
#316
On January 26 2015 00:42 rsoultin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 26 2015 00:35 Palmar wrote:
On January 25 2015 23:53 The Milkman wrote:
I go bowling and this happens, Palmar firing up some additional engines to mass post. At least they are meaningful.
I disagree that VR and Colossus are Town roles. Colossus has no power over who is his second shot, VR packs too strong of a punch. I'd put VR at best on neutral ground, but Colossus with double shot + coward + massive is just no bueno.

It's weird that you haven't understood Warp Prism Palmar, what is more worrying is you (then) ignoring my role analysis. It is true I did not create plans, but at that time draft wasn't public and then I am not one of sandroba's or syllogism's kin to do things like that. I don't think Sentry is that 'Mafia', I think it's 2 Armor aura could be used to great extent. Although rightly so somebody can just stick to the RB and shout obscenities. Anyway, I want Palmar to get WP, Obi picking Colossus on 3rd would be imho a waste if he is Town, which he kind-of-seems-like, because of the carelessness of his behaviour, but I'll have to think a little more about that, having quite hectic days.
Anyway, I am down on the list so I'll probably get a Probe, but that's fine with me. I think my icon is still a Probe.


I didn't read warp prism, I have now. It is a strong role and I'm taking it.

The roleblock just messes with us. If mafia doesn't get KP roles the sentry is useless.

You're missing the point on colossus. It's a double "lynch" for town and he has perfect control over who he shoots, the only condition is that those two have to be right next to each other. The reason I like Colossus over the other vigis for town is that:

a) it cannot be roleblocked, so no shenanigans.
b) it doesn't have the warp ability which is incredibly mafia favored (taking control away from townies). We WILL policy lynch anyone who at any point in the game uses a warp ability.
c) it is two KP that can be aimed into the playerlist and controlled, so it is much harder to "fake" than other KP roles.

It's basically a brilliant ability to give us more KP. Basically we'll find a scummy player and shoot him and pick whoever of his neighbours is more scummy than the other. It might even be very useful for discussion.


Okay...so I get that it can't be, what's the word, easily faked. Kinda. Assuming that you don't have 2 kp available in scum and they hit people side-by-side for the wifom and lols watching town flip shit over it, (I haven't double-checked to be certain there are no other roles with splash effect type kp, but I seem to remember reading that in there somewhere). The next question is how useful is a vigi shot to town that isn't targeted?

You're assuming town gets lucky enough to have a scummy next to a scum where getting rid of both actually is a good play. I mean, it happens, but I dunnae how likely that is.


We can always tell the colossus not to shoot... we ASSIGNED it to Obi.
Computer says mafia
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
January 25 2015 15:55 GMT
#317
On January 26 2015 00:49 Palmar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 26 2015 00:42 rsoultin wrote:
On January 26 2015 00:35 Palmar wrote:
On January 25 2015 23:53 The Milkman wrote:
I go bowling and this happens, Palmar firing up some additional engines to mass post. At least they are meaningful.
I disagree that VR and Colossus are Town roles. Colossus has no power over who is his second shot, VR packs too strong of a punch. I'd put VR at best on neutral ground, but Colossus with double shot + coward + massive is just no bueno.

It's weird that you haven't understood Warp Prism Palmar, what is more worrying is you (then) ignoring my role analysis. It is true I did not create plans, but at that time draft wasn't public and then I am not one of sandroba's or syllogism's kin to do things like that. I don't think Sentry is that 'Mafia', I think it's 2 Armor aura could be used to great extent. Although rightly so somebody can just stick to the RB and shout obscenities. Anyway, I want Palmar to get WP, Obi picking Colossus on 3rd would be imho a waste if he is Town, which he kind-of-seems-like, because of the carelessness of his behaviour, but I'll have to think a little more about that, having quite hectic days.
Anyway, I am down on the list so I'll probably get a Probe, but that's fine with me. I think my icon is still a Probe.


I didn't read warp prism, I have now. It is a strong role and I'm taking it.

The roleblock just messes with us. If mafia doesn't get KP roles the sentry is useless.

You're missing the point on colossus. It's a double "lynch" for town and he has perfect control over who he shoots, the only condition is that those two have to be right next to each other. The reason I like Colossus over the other vigis for town is that:

a) it cannot be roleblocked, so no shenanigans.
b) it doesn't have the warp ability which is incredibly mafia favored (taking control away from townies). We WILL policy lynch anyone who at any point in the game uses a warp ability.
c) it is two KP that can be aimed into the playerlist and controlled, so it is much harder to "fake" than other KP roles.

It's basically a brilliant ability to give us more KP. Basically we'll find a scummy player and shoot him and pick whoever of his neighbours is more scummy than the other. It might even be very useful for discussion.


Okay...so I get that it can't be, what's the word, easily faked. Kinda. Assuming that you don't have 2 kp available in scum and they hit people side-by-side for the wifom and lols watching town flip shit over it, (I haven't double-checked to be certain there are no other roles with splash effect type kp, but I seem to remember reading that in there somewhere). The next question is how useful is a vigi shot to town that isn't targeted?

You're assuming town gets lucky enough to have a scummy next to a scum where getting rid of both actually is a good play. I mean, it happens, but I dunnae how likely that is.


We can always tell the colossus not to shoot... we ASSIGNED it to Obi.


Nah, I get that part. Kinda. Not sure how people are already solid on alignments this early, but what I'm saying is if scum has 2 kp available what's preventing scum from hitting two people next to one another in the draft pick then sitting back and watching town go apeshit? lol

Telling the colossus not to shoot doesn't prevent those sorts of plays.
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
ObiWanShinobi
Profile Joined April 2014
United States8089 Posts
January 25 2015 15:57 GMT
#318
On January 26 2015 00:39 Palmar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 25 2015 23:55 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Yeah, I kinda realized the DT is useless outside of stopping alignment checks but I was in the mindset to deny anything that can't be checked.

At this point it seems like a waste because I managed to get so high on the draft list but idrk.

I honestly don't care if mafia picks DT.

If there is an undocumented shot, we lynch probes.

DT can only shoot and fakeclaim: zealot, stalker, oracle, ht, tempest. the oracle and tempest should be checking on night 1, not shooting, and the zealot, stalker and HT are autolynches just like DT.

DO NOT PICK MAFIA ROLES.


Yeah, I agree with this.
Retired.
Alakaslam
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States17336 Posts
January 25 2015 15:59 GMT
#319
Wassup

How can I help

I have this badass position at the end
If you think Elon Musk is a Nazi, it is because YOU radicalized him!
Alakaslam
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States17336 Posts
January 25 2015 16:01 GMT
#320
And I honestly feel it is badass. I get to be highly unlikely shot by collo, I get to know that someone took a role or experience true surprise, and

Meh mafia should want to be where I am...


But I will live long like always!
If you think Elon Musk is a Nazi, it is because YOU radicalized him!
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