PYP: Pick Your Protoss Mini Mafia - Page 16
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Superbia
Netherlands8889 Posts
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Superbia
Netherlands8889 Posts
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Palmar
Iceland22631 Posts
Like if you have a legitimate reason to think I'm mafia, go for it, double, triple, quadruple confirm me if you must. But you gotta remember that wasting resources on confirming someone you ALREADY townread (I think most people townread me by now?) is much less productive than using these same resources to clear out the muddy waters of null and red reads. At some point people need to trust their reads. If you think I'm mafia, force me to take something self-confirmable and make someone else get the WP. The point is to actually use analysis (scumhunting) to give that dangerous role to someone who is always going to be town. For me it's easy to know I'm town, but if you're so paranoid that I'm mafia, then just go ahead and find a better target in the top 2-4 ish to give it to. In the top 4 players there is always going to be one townie right? | ||
Palmar
Iceland22631 Posts
Make a decision, run with it and see where it takes us. | ||
Palmar
Iceland22631 Posts
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Oatsmaster
United States16628 Posts
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The Milkman
Mongolia140 Posts
I disagree that VR and Colossus are Town roles. Colossus has no power over who is his second shot, VR packs too strong of a punch. I'd put VR at best on neutral ground, but Colossus with double shot + coward + massive is just no bueno. It's weird that you haven't understood Warp Prism Palmar, what is more worrying is you (then) ignoring my role analysis. It is true I did not create plans, but at that time draft wasn't public and then I am not one of sandroba's or syllogism's kin to do things like that. I don't think Sentry is that 'Mafia', I think it's 2 Armor aura could be used to great extent. Although rightly so somebody can just stick to the RB and shout obscenities. Anyway, I want Palmar to get WP, Obi picking Colossus on 3rd would be imho a waste if he is Town, which he kind-of-seems-like, because of the carelessness of his behaviour, but I'll have to think a little more about that, having quite hectic days. Anyway, I am down on the list so I'll probably get a Probe, but that's fine with me. I think my icon is still a Probe. | ||
ObiWanShinobi
United States8089 Posts
At this point it seems like a waste because I managed to get so high on the draft list but idrk. | ||
ObiWanShinobi
United States8089 Posts
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ObiWanShinobi
United States8089 Posts
On January 25 2015 22:21 Superbia wrote: From my perspective it would be great if Obi check-picked WP. There is no world where I ever do this. | ||
Onegu
United States9695 Posts
On January 26 2015 00:11 ObiWanShinobi wrote: There is no world where I ever do this. In the infinite universes there isn't one where you do it? I don't believe... | ||
Palmar
Iceland22631 Posts
On January 25 2015 23:53 The Milkman wrote: I go bowling and this happens, Palmar firing up some additional engines to mass post. At least they are meaningful. I disagree that VR and Colossus are Town roles. Colossus has no power over who is his second shot, VR packs too strong of a punch. I'd put VR at best on neutral ground, but Colossus with double shot + coward + massive is just no bueno. It's weird that you haven't understood Warp Prism Palmar, what is more worrying is you (then) ignoring my role analysis. It is true I did not create plans, but at that time draft wasn't public and then I am not one of sandroba's or syllogism's kin to do things like that. I don't think Sentry is that 'Mafia', I think it's 2 Armor aura could be used to great extent. Although rightly so somebody can just stick to the RB and shout obscenities. Anyway, I want Palmar to get WP, Obi picking Colossus on 3rd would be imho a waste if he is Town, which he kind-of-seems-like, because of the carelessness of his behaviour, but I'll have to think a little more about that, having quite hectic days. Anyway, I am down on the list so I'll probably get a Probe, but that's fine with me. I think my icon is still a Probe. I didn't read warp prism, I have now. It is a strong role and I'm taking it. The roleblock just messes with us. If mafia doesn't get KP roles the sentry is useless. You're missing the point on colossus. It's a double "lynch" for town and he has perfect control over who he shoots, the only condition is that those two have to be right next to each other. The reason I like Colossus over the other vigis for town is that: a) it cannot be roleblocked, so no shenanigans. b) it doesn't have the warp ability which is incredibly mafia favored (taking control away from townies). We WILL policy lynch anyone who at any point in the game uses a warp ability. c) it is two KP that can be aimed into the playerlist and controlled, so it is much harder to "fake" than other KP roles. It's basically a brilliant ability to give us more KP. Basically we'll find a scummy player and shoot him and pick whoever of his neighbours is more scummy than the other. It might even be very useful for discussion. | ||
Palmar
Iceland22631 Posts
On January 25 2015 23:55 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Yeah, I kinda realized the DT is useless outside of stopping alignment checks but I was in the mindset to deny anything that can't be checked. At this point it seems like a waste because I managed to get so high on the draft list but idrk. I honestly don't care if mafia picks DT. If there is an undocumented shot, we lynch probes. DT can only shoot and fakeclaim: zealot, stalker, oracle, ht, tempest. the oracle and tempest should be checking on night 1, not shooting, and the zealot, stalker and HT are autolynches just like DT. DO NOT PICK MAFIA ROLES. | ||
Palmar
Iceland22631 Posts
The void ray claims on day 2 btw. | ||
rsoultin
Netherlands15308 Posts
On January 26 2015 00:35 Palmar wrote: I didn't read warp prism, I have now. It is a strong role and I'm taking it. The roleblock just messes with us. If mafia doesn't get KP roles the sentry is useless. You're missing the point on colossus. It's a double "lynch" for town and he has perfect control over who he shoots, the only condition is that those two have to be right next to each other. The reason I like Colossus over the other vigis for town is that: a) it cannot be roleblocked, so no shenanigans. b) it doesn't have the warp ability which is incredibly mafia favored (taking control away from townies). We WILL policy lynch anyone who at any point in the game uses a warp ability. c) it is two KP that can be aimed into the playerlist and controlled, so it is much harder to "fake" than other KP roles. It's basically a brilliant ability to give us more KP. Basically we'll find a scummy player and shoot him and pick whoever of his neighbours is more scummy than the other. It might even be very useful for discussion. Okay...so I get that it can't be, what's the word, easily faked. Kinda. Assuming that you don't have 2 kp available in scum and they hit people side-by-side for the wifom and lols watching town flip shit over it, (I haven't double-checked to be certain there are no other roles with splash effect type kp, but I seem to remember reading that in there somewhere). The next question is how useful is a vigi shot to town that isn't targeted? You're assuming town gets lucky enough to have a scummy next to a scum where getting rid of both actually is a good play. I mean, it happens, but I dunnae how likely that is. | ||
Palmar
Iceland22631 Posts
On January 26 2015 00:42 rsoultin wrote: Okay...so I get that it can't be, what's the word, easily faked. Kinda. Assuming that you don't have 2 kp available in scum and they hit people side-by-side for the wifom and lols watching town flip shit over it, (I haven't double-checked to be certain there are no other roles with splash effect type kp, but I seem to remember reading that in there somewhere). The next question is how useful is a vigi shot to town that isn't targeted? You're assuming town gets lucky enough to have a scummy next to a scum where getting rid of both actually is a good play. I mean, it happens, but I dunnae how likely that is. We can always tell the colossus not to shoot... we ASSIGNED it to Obi. | ||
rsoultin
Netherlands15308 Posts
On January 26 2015 00:49 Palmar wrote: We can always tell the colossus not to shoot... we ASSIGNED it to Obi. Nah, I get that part. Kinda. Not sure how people are already solid on alignments this early, but what I'm saying is if scum has 2 kp available what's preventing scum from hitting two people next to one another in the draft pick then sitting back and watching town go apeshit? lol Telling the colossus not to shoot doesn't prevent those sorts of plays. | ||
ObiWanShinobi
United States8089 Posts
On January 26 2015 00:39 Palmar wrote: I honestly don't care if mafia picks DT. If there is an undocumented shot, we lynch probes. DT can only shoot and fakeclaim: zealot, stalker, oracle, ht, tempest. the oracle and tempest should be checking on night 1, not shooting, and the zealot, stalker and HT are autolynches just like DT. DO NOT PICK MAFIA ROLES. Yeah, I agree with this. | ||
Alakaslam
United States17324 Posts
How can I help I have this badass position at the end | ||
Alakaslam
United States17324 Posts
Meh mafia should want to be where I am... But I will live long like always! | ||
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