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Or if anyone wants my coaching specifically, I can out and coach.
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On January 10 2015 08:54 LightningStrike wrote: I want to play with you again GB!
Yay!!
Are you prepared to be yelled at?
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On January 13 2015 08:31 geript wrote:Show nested quote +On January 13 2015 07:48 marvellosity wrote: it's like being challenged to a shit-eating competition by a penguin
my masculinity doesn't feel very on the line :p Well sure, but that penguin sure is dressed pretty spiffy and is so fresh and so cleanclean. Perhaps you should accept the challenge. Maybe I'll even give you the required handicap (you know since I'm clearly the better player) by using a post per day for naughty nurse pictures.
Come on marv, do us a favor.
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On January 13 2015 08:55 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Naughty doctor pictures would probably be more up his alley.
+ Show Spoiler +
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+ Show Spoiler +
Look how cute this baby is.
That's it.
Baby doctors are my new baby seals
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This will be my last game before my hiatus :/
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On January 16 2015 06:38 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On January 16 2015 06:36 GlowingBear wrote: This will be my last game before my hiatus :/ I feel like you said this many many times now.
Yeah, but this one is definitive.
I'll be hosting games only
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On January 16 2015 06:44 Trfel wrote: Why will you be taking a hiatus? And for about how long?
I'm going to enter a very busy semester and I want to dedicate time to do some "mafia studies"
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On January 17 2015 02:52 geript wrote: There is confirmed Broccoli in the game and spinach. Fortunately though, it has been confirmed to me personally that there is no koalas in this game.
I don't think BH would rig his game with spinach. How do you know this?
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I CAN'T STAND PLAYING AS VT ANYMORE GODDAMNIT
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On January 17 2015 07:07 Trfel wrote:I come out guns blazing, with fireworks and cannon fire, and meet silence...... Guess maybe I'll go do something else and wait for you guys to catch up XD
I like this.
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I was on a theatre. I'll do better things once I get home.
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On January 17 2015 09:28 LightningStrike wrote: GB why you claimed VT so early with no pressure?
Because I can't stand being VT anymore Just can't
I would love to be a cop.
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On January 17 2015 09:35 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2015 09:29 GlowingBear wrote:On January 17 2015 09:28 LightningStrike wrote: GB why you claimed VT so early with no pressure? Because I can't stand being VT anymore Just can't I would love to be a cop. So basically your reads are so bad that you can't stand it anymore and you want to get game mechanics to do the work for you? LOL
HAHAHAHAHA I'd love to see Robik's reaction
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Ok I'm back home after an awesome night. Gonna read through things.
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I'm drunk though
Of beer and love
More beer than love
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On January 17 2015 07:07 coolTLname wrote: sup bout to sleep, cya guys when i wake
Hm
I don't like this entrance
On January 17 2015 07:14 LightningStrike wrote: Tfrel why are you voting gerpit right now? I know in pregame he said he would only post 10 posts per day phase 5 per Night but seriously don't vote without evidence that's scum -.-
I also don't like this opening
On January 17 2015 07:20 Trfel wrote: He said that he would only be making 10 posts per day. I personally feel that it will be extremely hard for him to play effectively with 10 posts per day. If he is purposefully handicapping himself with a very strict post limit and that causes him to play poorly and be lynched, that's his fault; we can't allow for players to intentionally play badly. I will remove my vote if he proves himself useful.
Bad post Trfel. Your vote is supposed to be an argument starter but not a motive to have you being scumread.
On January 17 2015 07:21 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2015 07:20 Trfel wrote: He said that he would only be making 10 posts per day. I personally feel that it will be extremely hard for him to play effectively with 10 posts per day. If he is purposefully handicapping himself with a very strict post limit and that causes him to play poorly and be lynched, that's his fault; we can't allow for players to intentionally play badly. I will remove my vote if he proves himself useful. He prob doing it because this is a semi newbie game and wanted to have the newer players take action (shrugs)
This makes no sense and it's an odd defense
On January 17 2015 09:34 TheWarWaffle wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2015 09:28 LightningStrike wrote: GB why you claimed VT so early with no pressure? Why are you suddenly so aggressive in questioning people about their motives? In the last game of ours you were very passive at the start. However, your behaviour is rather eccentric from what I've read...
I don't like this post because LS isn't aggressive and asking these kind of questions keeps thread goin on which is townie.
On January 17 2015 09:38 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2015 09:34 TheWarWaffle wrote:On January 17 2015 09:28 LightningStrike wrote: GB why you claimed VT so early with no pressure? Why are you suddenly so aggressive in questioning people about their motives? In the last game of ours you were very passive at the start. However, your behaviour is rather eccentric from what I've read... Because GlowingBear is a vet player who btw never claimed VT in the game I played with him and I only quesationing because claiming VT this early would make it easierfor Mafia to figure who is blue and who isn't. Also Tfrel opening odd for me because he never done that before when I played with him as town but I town reading him though.
I can't understand how you can see a different pattern from a townplay but still get a townread without pushing it further. Could you explain to me please?
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Oooooops posted too early. Still catching up.
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On January 17 2015 10:17 Trfel wrote: I'm back.
LightningStrike's play does seem rather weird so far. First he says that my early vote is scummy, and then says that it is towny. Regardless of whether my early vote was a good or bad play, LightningStrike's view changed on it after DarthPunk and LoneMeow expressed opinions that it was a slightly townie thing to do. And then, asking for rsoultin makes no sense at all. Why rsoultin? If it's to make a meta read, how about all of the rest of us he has played with before?
GlowingBear's opening seems pretty bad as well. In general I don't like claiming, since I feel that town players should simply play well to show that they are town (just like how I don't put very much focus on setups). Claim aside, why would he even sign up for the game if he doesn't want to play VT, the most common role? VT is the core of the game, the power roles are the fluff (especially in games like this one with only two power roles). Side note, I've been cop/tracker twice out of three previous games, and it hasn't been particularly enjoyable for me. VT is a much more enjoyable role IMO, less pressure and you can more freely speak your mind.
Horrible paragraph. Just says he doesn't like my opening but everything in it is fluff.
On January 17 2015 10:29 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2015 10:24 LightningStrike wrote:On January 17 2015 10:17 Trfel wrote: I'm back.
LightningStrike's play does seem rather weird so far. First he says that my early vote is scummy, and then says that it is towny. Regardless of whether my early vote was a good or bad play, LightningStrike's view changed on it after DarthPunk and LoneMeow expressed opinions that it was a slightly townie thing to do. And then, asking for rsoultin makes no sense at all. Why rsoultin? If it's to make a meta read, how about all of the rest of us he has played with before?
GlowingBear's opening seems pretty bad as well. In general I don't like claiming, since I feel that town players should simply play well to show that they are town (just like how I don't put very much focus on setups). Claim aside, why would he even sign up for the game if he doesn't want to play VT, the most common role? VT is the core of the game, the power roles are the fluff (especially in games like this one with only two power roles). Side note, I've been cop/tracker twice out of three previous games, and it hasn't been particularly enjoyable for me. VT is a much more enjoyable role IMO, less pressure and you can more freely speak your mind. It was to make a meta read on her and WarWaffle I only played 1 game with him and he seemed to be posting the same way he did in the last newbie game when he was Vet. Damdred's entrance post is all he got atm so I need to wait for a meta read on him. Although rsoultins only entrance was to vote you she didn't explain her reasoning for why she votign for you now. rsoultin welcome to the game now why calling BS on Tfrel's post? If it's a joke vote I can maybe understand but I don't see anything totally wrong with his vote except for the fact that gerpit had not posted yet so (shrugs) What's wrong with it is that the Trfel, before a single word was spoken...in fact practically the second the game started...decided to vote for someone because they are "intentionally playing bad". Not only has geript not posted at all in this thread, but Trfel himself has been very effective with quite minimal posts, and is usually very slow to vote or scumread people until he is sure. It may well be a pressure vote (the second the game started!) but not only is it more aggressive than I've come to expect from him, but his explanation is inherently false which he should know based on his own play in the last two games.Thus, BS meter.
I've coached Trfel last game and I told him how to generate discussion. I can easily see him trying to put my "lesson" in that post.
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Argh posted again ... Beer...
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On January 17 2015 10:43 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2015 10:38 DarthPunk wrote:On January 17 2015 10:29 rsoultin wrote:On January 17 2015 10:24 LightningStrike wrote:On January 17 2015 10:17 Trfel wrote: I'm back.
LightningStrike's play does seem rather weird so far. First he says that my early vote is scummy, and then says that it is towny. Regardless of whether my early vote was a good or bad play, LightningStrike's view changed on it after DarthPunk and LoneMeow expressed opinions that it was a slightly townie thing to do. And then, asking for rsoultin makes no sense at all. Why rsoultin? If it's to make a meta read, how about all of the rest of us he has played with before?
GlowingBear's opening seems pretty bad as well. In general I don't like claiming, since I feel that town players should simply play well to show that they are town (just like how I don't put very much focus on setups). Claim aside, why would he even sign up for the game if he doesn't want to play VT, the most common role? VT is the core of the game, the power roles are the fluff (especially in games like this one with only two power roles). Side note, I've been cop/tracker twice out of three previous games, and it hasn't been particularly enjoyable for me. VT is a much more enjoyable role IMO, less pressure and you can more freely speak your mind. It was to make a meta read on her and WarWaffle I only played 1 game with him and he seemed to be posting the same way he did in the last newbie game when he was Vet. Damdred's entrance post is all he got atm so I need to wait for a meta read on him. Although rsoultins only entrance was to vote you she didn't explain her reasoning for why she votign for you now. rsoultin welcome to the game now why calling BS on Tfrel's post? If it's a joke vote I can maybe understand but I don't see anything totally wrong with his vote except for the fact that gerpit had not posted yet so (shrugs) What's wrong with it is that the Trfel, before a single word was spoken...in fact practically the second the game started...decided to vote for someone because they are "intentionally playing bad". Not only has geript not posted at all in this thread, but Trfel himself has been very effective with quite minimal posts, and is usually very slow to vote or scumread people until he is sure. It may well be a pressure vote (the second the game started!) but not only is it more aggressive than I've come to expect from him, but his explanation is inherently false which he should know based on his own play in the last two games.Thus, BS meter. Why would scum put the spotlight on himself from the get go for no reason? Shit like this always looks bad but the underlying point ends up being that they don't give a fuck what they look like which is a townie trait because scum ALWAYS care what they look like due to their inherent feelings of guilt. Do you think Trfel is scum? Cause he is my biggest town read in the game so far. What does BS meter mean exactly? Why does Trefel's early vote fit with the mafia agenda? It means that his explanation does not line up with what I know of him. The vote I could really care less about. I think it's preemptive but not alignment indicative. His explanation for it directly contradicts the simple fact that Trfel plays effectively with a low post count, and LS is right in that I don't think I've ever seen him policy lynch. (Note that my vote never made it to the voting thread. I don't necessarily think he's scum but I want him to explain to me why the sudden near-180 in his play.)
This is bullshit.
You never tell someone you're doing a pressure vote because you reveal you're doing it just for pressure. You're just trying to push him to look contributive.
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On January 17 2015 10:45 jarjarbinks wrote: WHAT THE HECK?! This game is WAY more exciting than my last game!
I propose a no lynch for day 1! Any followers?
Lynch this guy.
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On January 17 2015 10:47 LightningStrike wrote: I don't think there is a voting thread for this game fyi guys. Also what is the BS Meter? I never heard you use this term before can you explain it please?
OMG THIS IS HORRIBLE
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On January 17 2015 11:39 Damdred wrote: i'm a few pages behind and i'll catch up and start posting soon have no fears
You better because if I see one scum trait on you I'm coming full throttle
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On January 17 2015 12:00 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2015 11:57 rsoultin wrote:On January 17 2015 11:50 Trfel wrote: Ok, I will respond to jarjar's request for a no lynch. No, we will definitely lynch.
No lynch on Day 1 is bad because it usually leaves you in an almost equally uninformed position on Day 2. Eventually you have to make that first lynch. Yes, town is often lynched on Day 1, but you can still lynch scum on Day 1 with effective play (and a bit of luck).
I will keep my vote on geript until I feel that it is better for me to move it. It is really silly to ask me for rules for what I will do with my vote, since it's my own judgement and there is absolutely no reason for me to try and set rules for every possible scenario. Mhm. The question was not what your rules are. The question was do you intend to scumhunt at all? Why is it so difficult for you to answer a simple question? Will you or will you not adhere to policy voting over scumread voting? Since you can't possibly be scumreading geript off of no posting (and have admitted to such) I feel that it's a valid question. I don't understand where you are coming from. Of course I intend to scumhunt. Why do you ask a question which has only one answer?
This guy is town.
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On January 17 2015 13:46 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2015 13:43 GlowingBear wrote:On January 17 2015 10:43 rsoultin wrote:On January 17 2015 10:38 DarthPunk wrote:On January 17 2015 10:29 rsoultin wrote:On January 17 2015 10:24 LightningStrike wrote:On January 17 2015 10:17 Trfel wrote: I'm back.
LightningStrike's play does seem rather weird so far. First he says that my early vote is scummy, and then says that it is towny. Regardless of whether my early vote was a good or bad play, LightningStrike's view changed on it after DarthPunk and LoneMeow expressed opinions that it was a slightly townie thing to do. And then, asking for rsoultin makes no sense at all. Why rsoultin? If it's to make a meta read, how about all of the rest of us he has played with before?
GlowingBear's opening seems pretty bad as well. In general I don't like claiming, since I feel that town players should simply play well to show that they are town (just like how I don't put very much focus on setups). Claim aside, why would he even sign up for the game if he doesn't want to play VT, the most common role? VT is the core of the game, the power roles are the fluff (especially in games like this one with only two power roles). Side note, I've been cop/tracker twice out of three previous games, and it hasn't been particularly enjoyable for me. VT is a much more enjoyable role IMO, less pressure and you can more freely speak your mind. It was to make a meta read on her and WarWaffle I only played 1 game with him and he seemed to be posting the same way he did in the last newbie game when he was Vet. Damdred's entrance post is all he got atm so I need to wait for a meta read on him. Although rsoultins only entrance was to vote you she didn't explain her reasoning for why she votign for you now. rsoultin welcome to the game now why calling BS on Tfrel's post? If it's a joke vote I can maybe understand but I don't see anything totally wrong with his vote except for the fact that gerpit had not posted yet so (shrugs) What's wrong with it is that the Trfel, before a single word was spoken...in fact practically the second the game started...decided to vote for someone because they are "intentionally playing bad". Not only has geript not posted at all in this thread, but Trfel himself has been very effective with quite minimal posts, and is usually very slow to vote or scumread people until he is sure. It may well be a pressure vote (the second the game started!) but not only is it more aggressive than I've come to expect from him, but his explanation is inherently false which he should know based on his own play in the last two games.Thus, BS meter. Why would scum put the spotlight on himself from the get go for no reason? Shit like this always looks bad but the underlying point ends up being that they don't give a fuck what they look like which is a townie trait because scum ALWAYS care what they look like due to their inherent feelings of guilt. Do you think Trfel is scum? Cause he is my biggest town read in the game so far. What does BS meter mean exactly? Why does Trefel's early vote fit with the mafia agenda? It means that his explanation does not line up with what I know of him. The vote I could really care less about. I think it's preemptive but not alignment indicative. His explanation for it directly contradicts the simple fact that Trfel plays effectively with a low post count, and LS is right in that I don't think I've ever seen him policy lynch. (Note that my vote never made it to the voting thread. I don't necessarily think he's scum but I want him to explain to me why the sudden near-180 in his play.) This is bullshit. You never tell someone you're doing a pressure vote because you reveal you're doing it just for pressure. You're just trying to push him to look contributive. xP Lol, sure. Cause it wasn't at all straight up mimicking him or anything to make a point. GB, how much do I really need to do to look contributive? You may want to finish reading the thread before you start making judgments.
Just not telling people you're pressuring that you're pressuring them. This makes you contributive.
AAAAAND I'm done catching up.
Trfel is definetely town DP may be town Rasputin may be town
LS may be scum Cool TL name may be scum jar jar may be scum
Damdred you'll have to puke green this game.
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On January 17 2015 21:16 LoneMeow wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2015 19:04 jarjarbinks wrote: Those were the major reads I got from what I have read up to when I started posting. I'm tired so I will not elaborate on the other people who have posted besides basic thoughts.
Gereipt: Your analysis seems fair. I feel like you would do this no matter what game you play. I haven't played this game to know if you left something out (if your mafia). So I can't give you a solid town or mafia read for now.
Lonemeow: Only defended Trfel and questioned Rsoultin's questioning. Probably due to lack of playing with Rsoultin. This is a possible lurker in my eyes. I guess we shall find out tomorrow.
CoolITLname- definite lurker! Or you know, could be sleeping or something...lol WE SHALL SEE
Waffle- Tried to ask LS a question to establish credibility. Let's see what he does.
DP- I liked gereipts analysis on DP. Very jumpy on Rsoultin for questioning Trfel as well as "missed" Trfel "making waves". Possible she could have just jumped on Rsoultin for the same reasons Rsoultin jumped on Trfel thought. So your major reads are a summary of what people have done so far? No one is scum or town? Then why call them reads?
And what do you make of it?
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On January 17 2015 15:35 Trfel wrote:GlowingBear, I'm assuming that you typed those posts over the course of reading the game? So the first things you said were not influenced on the later things? The rest of this post will be using that assumption. You read jarjarbinks D1 from the previous game (Newbie Mafia). You know that his play was miserable on D1 there as well, and he was town (his play was considerably better after D1). Someone is going to have to teach him how to play D1 (looking at you rsoultin), but I don't think I can see myself lynching him for inactivity, even if he provided a terrible excuse for it. Show nested quote +On January 17 2015 13:45 GlowingBear wrote:On January 17 2015 10:47 LightningStrike wrote: I don't think there is a voting thread for this game fyi guys. Also what is the BS Meter? I never heard you use this term before can you explain it please? OMG THIS IS HORRIBLE What is so horrible about this post? I mean, it is surprising that LightningStrike didn't know what rsoultin meant by BS meter, but I don't understand why that makes it a horrible post. Are you saying that LightningStrike is scum because of this, or just that the post is bad? I also noticed that you said that one of my posts was bad, and then one of my paragraphs was bad and full of fluff. Then you townread me. What is the reasoning behind this read? That I attempted to follow your advice for promoting discussion? (for the record, I fully realize that your entrance post is intended to do the exact same thing, and I tried to make a point of it, but no one else responded, so..) Also, why the emphasis on Damdred? + Show Spoiler [For GlowingBear] +For obvious reasons we can't discuss the effectiveness of my attempts to promote discussion now, but hopefully you can help me with this after the game?
I understand the thing abou jar jar, but his opening is very bad and it fits more of a scum perspective because: (1) If there is an ongoing discussion, opening the game saying that he is excited without giving any thoughts is extremely contradictory and it doesn't fit town perspective. If he is excited, he saw something different. If he saw something different, he will probably comment it. This means his excitement is a forced emotion. (2) An opening post suggesting a no lynch is something comety disconnected. A no lynch discussion helps no one but mafia. A no lynch is only helpful to town in specific situations and that's definetely not day1. And, if the game is exciting, a no lynch isn't the correct conclusion? Anyway, he just ignores the ongoing discussion to throw a bad idea into the thread.
Regarding LS, the question doesn't takes him anywhere. If he doesn't know what BS is, asking "what is this" is more appropriate. The way he phrases it ("I've never seen you using this term before") sounds like there is a meta behind it when actually there isn't. This sounds, on a vacuum, that he is trying to look like a townie pursuing information asking questions that are information-less.
Now, it is proven that I have a good grasp on damdreds play. He won against me as scum last game. He will not be sparred.
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On January 17 2015 22:35 coolTLname wrote:Show nested quote +On January 16 2015 05:45 Damdred wrote: Shining sleeps during the day because he works night shifts he will respond *before game started*
##Vote: Damdred
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On January 17 2015 23:38 Damdred wrote: I'll elaborate some on tl cool name in scum pile. I haven't looked at the rest of the filter however, but instead of thinking why would Damdred do this (who he has no experience with) he made the post paint me as scum. He let it sit and then once GB came back and voted he took up the vote, if he really thought it ws scummy why not vote at that second for a pressure/real vote instead of soft pushing and waiting on gb to take over.
That's better.
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On January 18 2015 05:52 LightningStrike wrote: Okay can you explain your vote on Breshke GB? I just curious that's all.
He is my pupil and he isn't doing what I'm expecting.
I know he was in some RL trouble recently but since he confirmed, his total lurkage is odd.
And I am going to lynch scummy lurkers day1. I hope you guys all have this in mind
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Hahaha it seems BH caught a smurf
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On January 18 2015 06:06 Damdred wrote: opinions on glowing bear ?
Handsome guy with a very adorable aspect.
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On January 18 2015 06:07 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2015 06:00 GlowingBear wrote:On January 18 2015 05:52 LightningStrike wrote: Okay can you explain your vote on Breshke GB? I just curious that's all. He is my pupil and he isn't doing what I'm expecting. I know he was in some RL trouble recently but since he confirmed, his total lurkage is odd. And I am going to lynch scummy lurkers day1. I hope you guys all have this in mind I got other reasons to lynch him but Damdred wont let me go for it.
Damdy, c'mon.
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What is your opinion on geript, damdy?
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On January 18 2015 06:39 Damdred wrote: So basically if LM comes back and does stuff you might rescend that scum read/suspicion.
And then when we drop to your next uspicion it isn't even the person you then pointed to (dp) it is instead two lurkers?
Also sure that's true about that previous post...but what about how you came flying out of the blue in the last student tmafia against bats with a huge case, even in the past newbie game you were halfway inactive and you still had pretty strong scum reads 24-36 hours into the game?
Just remember he was coached by me last game. Just please have this in mind.
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By the way, damdred looks town. I don't think he would be this inquisitive against Trfel.
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On January 18 2015 06:47 Damdred wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2015 06:44 GlowingBear wrote:On January 18 2015 06:39 Damdred wrote: So basically if LM comes back and does stuff you might rescend that scum read/suspicion.
And then when we drop to your next uspicion it isn't even the person you then pointed to (dp) it is instead two lurkers?
Also sure that's true about that previous post...but what about how you came flying out of the blue in the last student tmafia against bats with a huge case, even in the past newbie game you were halfway inactive and you still had pretty strong scum reads 24-36 hours into the game? Just remember he was coached by me last game. Just please have this in mind. god help us
HAHAHAHA I'll lynch you for this.
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Gonna read the walls of post later.
ATTENTION LURKERS IMMA GONNA GET YOU!!
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On January 18 2015 07:37 Trfel wrote:Why do you say this?
He is going against two vocal players, which is kinda a suicidal move for mafia to do. The only motive he has to do this is if his partners are in danger and he wants to push a mislynch. Which I doubt is the case.
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On January 18 2015 07:57 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2015 07:53 GlowingBear wrote:On January 18 2015 07:37 Trfel wrote:On January 18 2015 07:27 GlowingBear wrote: War Waffle probably town Why do you say this? He is going against two vocal players, which is kinda a suicidal move for mafia to do. The only motive he has to do this is if his partners are in danger and he wants to push a mislynch. Which I doubt is the case. I suppose I can see this. At the same time, WarWaffle seemed to provide many more reads in the previous game. I know this game hasn't been going for as long yet, but there has been more posting here. And last game he had lots of time issues as well (I know he said he had some in this game, I think, but they should be less than last game).
It means that the attempts of having discussion going on were successful.
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On January 18 2015 08:18 LightningStrike wrote: Guys I need to go get dinner but after dinner I think I got a good meta case on Breshke being scum so stay tuned!
O.o how come?
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OH HAPA IS COACHING!
This makes things easier.
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On January 18 2015 09:08 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2015 08:50 rsoultin wrote:On January 18 2015 08:38 Trfel wrote:On January 18 2015 08:28 rsoultin wrote:On January 18 2015 07:57 Trfel wrote:On January 18 2015 07:53 GlowingBear wrote:On January 18 2015 07:37 Trfel wrote:On January 18 2015 07:27 GlowingBear wrote: War Waffle probably town Why do you say this? He is going against two vocal players, which is kinda a suicidal move for mafia to do. The only motive he has to do this is if his partners are in danger and he wants to push a mislynch. Which I doubt is the case. I suppose I can see this. At the same time, WarWaffle seemed to provide many more reads in the previous game. I know this game hasn't been going for as long yet, but there has been more posting here. And last game he had lots of time issues as well (I know he said he had some in this game, I think, but they should be less than last game). I am trying very hard to find reasons to town-read you this game, Trfel. This is simply untrue. :/ WW analyzed HTS' post and gave a list post on his reads Day 1 last game. It seems about the same to me, except WW actually questioned someone this game (LS). Considering there are still 24ish hours left for Day 1...dude, give me a reason to town-read you, please >< + Show Spoiler +On January 07 2015 04:51 TheWarWaffle wrote: My apologies for the inactivity. I give no excuse other than the fact that my life is busy.
After reading the thread my current reads for the game are as follows:
The Shining: Town
The Shining has not posted all that much but the quality of posting changed drastically as soon as the game started. The Shining asks questions where they need to be asked and maintains a cordial aloofness towards everyone who is playing. No person is accused of anything without evidence.
Half the Sky: Town
HTS acts like a true townie. Says what she wants, when she wants to, to whomever she wants. At least, that's what she wants us to believe, but I don't have anything better at this time.
rsoultin: Suspicious
The accusation-train keeps on rolling whenever rsoultin is around. I find the similarities in play style to her previous games an indicator of deceit rather than openness. Rsoultin rolled Town in every other game she played like this, so why shouldn't she be Town now? I can't think of a better cover than this. Strangely, even though rsoultin admits that it's her "bias" to ignore inactives, she votes for me. This is strange for several reasons: I was inactive at the time she started my lynch wagon; she had previously agreed with my post on HTS; and there was no progression of thought as to why I was scum.
jarjarbinks: Light Town
Jarjarbinks' behavior sets off no alarm bells in my mind even though he lurks more than he posts. The posts he does make are normally short and succinct, and while many of his posts appear misleading at first, they work in the context. I think the only reason he is voting for me is because other people started the wagon.
Trfel: Unknown
As Trfel has posted effectively nothing indicating any affiliation, I must refrain from passing judgment on the hangman.
Gumdrop: Town
Gumdrop hasn't said much but from what was said I glean bits of Town. The reasons given for not posting more are adequate, and the type of posts implies a desire for something to happen, something the Mafia does not want. The posts that were made are logical and forward-thinking. A more Mafia-oriented lurker would post more misleading information.
Silverarte: Possible Mafia
The ease of which Silverarte hops aboard the bandwagon train is startling. Silverarte was leaning towards ExO_ and Gumdrop being scum, for the reasons of aggressive accusations and "posting and offering nothing" respectively. Somehow, both of these are forgotten as soon as she jumped on my vote bandwagon. For someone who admits she's new and even goes as far to use that as defense for gumdrop her voting for me makes no sense based on her previous actions. The previous existing relationship between Silverarte and rsoultin gives cause for the sudden change of thought, but even so...
ExO_: Light Town
My thoughts on ExO_ have flipped back and forth for some time now. Initially I thought he was town for being the only one willing to aggressively step and take affirmative action. After that, I thought he was scum for simply spreading accusations thin and putting a cloud of doubt over everyone, which is scum-like behavior. Though his disappearance is suspicious, it does not seem implicative.
-Celestial-: Town
-Celestial- maintains a consistent level of posts and explains his thoughts in a logical progression. I see no suspicious behavior, only a desire to understand and unearth new information.
LightningStrike: Suspicious/Unknown
I have my own reasons for being suspicious of LS, mainly due to the constant attempts to shift attention whenever the focus is on him.
Tubesock: Mafia
After looking at all of Tubesock's posts, I strongly believe that he is Mafia. His posts, while numerous, are short and always seem to detract from the conversation rather than add. Very few of the accusations presented by Tubesock are his; most are other people's regurgitated ideas. I think Tubesock's passive beginning was only due to the low amount of traffic it received, and that his "coming out of his shell" was him realizing that he could take advantage of it. Several times he has posted about the inactivity of the thread, which seems redundant when your very post makes it active. Tubesock only did this to make it look like he cares. A Mafia player wants there to be confusion, chaos, and distrust in the thread. Do Tubesock's actions create clear, organized discussion? I don't think so.
Currently, Tubesock has my vote. I'd like to hear other people's opinions as well. To me, that post seems much more comprehensive than the post in this game. I don't see your point. I could also understand where TheWarWaffle was coming from in that post, even though I disagreed with his reads. In this game, his logic doesn't make sense. He says that because GlowingBear and I did something towny, we have to be scum. Both GlowingBear and I have also asked questions and contributed to discussion (however effectively), so that is the other criteria he set for his townreads. Ignoring the early questioning, TheWarWaffle's play seems noticeably worse. It actually makes me tempted to lynch him, though as GlowingBear stated, coming in with two scumreads on reasonably active players doesn't make sense for mafia. He did go into an explanation for each and every player, it's true, but if you recall that was not terribly long before EoD and he was scumread by a lot of people for it because his reads were pretty wonky to most of us. You may not agree with GB that the post itself makes him town, but why are you trying to convince people that WW is scum? Are you scumreading him right now? While I don't agree with him on GB necessarily (I think GB has been doing a good job of analyzing this game) I can see where he's coming from just fine on the whole do something scum wouldn't do as scum to get townread. In fact, that should always be the objective of scum, shouldn't it? To not act like scum so they don't get caught? When I'm saying I'm scumreading someone, I'm pretty serious about it. I'm not scumreading him, but I do think his play is suspicious. Are you saying that his reads aren't wonky in this game, since I think they are (for previously stated reasons). I was able to understand his reads in the previous game. Of course scum wants to try and get townread. But doing a townie thing doesn't make someone scum. At worst, it makes them null. Except in extreme circumstances, of course. GlowingBear, how does Hapahauli coaching have any effect on your actions/reads?
Coaches POV affects players gameplay. As I have a good grasp of how Hapahauli approaches a game, maybe I can get a townread from one of his coachees.
IF he is coaching town, that is.
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On January 18 2015 09:12 Trfel wrote: I feel like the discussion has died down... makes me sad. But I don't want to do something crazy again, since I'm already being scumread by some.
I'll be out for a while, but then I will be back and hopefully have something to discuss. Again, feel free to ask any questions.
It's actually getting traction now.
But we can get this further.
What do you think of DP?
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You've just saw a wall from geript and had no problems with it, DP.
What's the big difference?
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On January 18 2015 09:17 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2015 09:14 GlowingBear wrote: You've just saw a wall from geript and had no problems with it, DP.
What's the big difference? Look at the formatting. One is literally a wall the other is formatted well and divided into easily readable chunks. I also respect Geripts opinion ( horrifying I know) and give zero fucks about trifles opinion. That is the only difference really.
Funny, I find Trfels post easier to read.
I don't understand why you give 0 fucks to what Trfel types, btw
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It's weak. His filter length is okayish for someone who was lynched day1.
I'm not saying it is wrong though. I do think that the lurking is bad. But it is still too early to take this as a meta absolute
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On January 18 2015 09:42 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2015 09:19 LightningStrike wrote:On January 18 2015 09:13 DarthPunk wrote:On January 18 2015 06:25 Trfel wrote:The way that LightningStrike played the start of this game still feels really weird to me. His thoughts seemed to be all over the place and his posting was somewhat random (particularly asking for rsoultin). However, since then he seems to have gained confidence and seems more towny. Especially after glancing through the scumgame he linked (yes I'm aware I played in that game, I wanted to look at it again anyway). LoneMeow seems very strange to me. At first I liked his questioning, and I still do, but all he has done is pick on people for small things. The one read he provided was at the request of GlowingBear. I know that LoneMeow is a very good player, and provides a lot of content without using a large number of posts, so I will wait for now.... but I am a bit suspicious. I don't see why coolTLname is being scumread right now. He hasn't done very much, but I like the catch on Damdred's scumread of The Shining. I also like the analysis of jarjarbinks. However, coolTLname, while post count and mafia are related, there are many other more important tells. For example, TheWarWaffle made maybe about 6 posts in all of Day 1 last game, and he was town. Meanwhile, Half the Sky made many posts, and she was scum. The main point against coolTLname is how he waited for GlowingBear to vote The Shining before he voted. However, assuming that coolTLname really is new to TL, this makes sense, since it is reasonable for a new player to wait and see how the veterans react to things they bring up. I know that I did this in my first game of TL mafia, and still do sometimes (I wait to see how the first few people react to my case before I vote, in case there is an obvious hole that I missed; perhaps as I improve more and become more confident I will vote without waiting for responses first). That doesn't mean that new players aren't expected to stand by their reads, but it is reasonable for them to look to veterans for leadership at times. (he was modkilled, but I will leave this paragraph in here anyway just because) I generally like the way that Damdred and GlowingBear have been playing so far. Their analysis shows that they are reading the thread and trying to scumhunt, as well as generating discussion. I did notice that GlowingBear provided a lot of comments on posts in the thread, and I liked those. However, he also provided overall reads, but didn't show why he made those reads (they also didn't necessarily align with the comments he provided). The recent vote on Breshke is a continuation of this. However, I'm sure either of them could play a very capable scum game as well. Not a good Day 1 lynch. DarthPunk is coming up null. I have been waiting for more posts from him to provide more thoughts, but since he hasn't posted in a while, I will share my thoughts now. I do like that he picked up on LightingStrike's weird play at the start of the game. That was the same feeling that I got. However, he hasn't done very much at all except for saying that my opening made it seem that I am town. My opening doesn't really say anything about my alignment for reasons previously stated by geript, however the way I followed it up is more important (more on this later). For the record, several of you seem to be familiar with DarthPunk's playstyle, and I am completely unfamiliar with it, so that doesn't help. Geript's first post seemed a bit towny, and his second post seemed a bit scummy (it seemed like a poor use of a post when you are limiting yourself to ten). That's one fewer post to use to push a lynch later. Overall, geript seems fine for now, and is probably a poor Day 1 lynch. Rsoultin and jarjar, you two need to talk so that jarjar feels comfortable with Day 1. That aside, while jarjar's opening post is pretty horrible, he has given some useful thoughts since then. As for rsoultin, I feel that her play lines up exactly with (my knowledge of) her town meta. I also liked the questioning that she used with regards to my opening. Still, I take note that jarjar said that she is capable of doing this as either alignment. One thing I did find really strange is that rsoultin provided her thoughts using a Damdred quote. I have no idea why she would do this except to compare opinions, but she didn't provide any thoughts on Damdred (I know their thoughts on other players were side by side, but still), and it gave the impression that her reads were less independent.
I do need to clarify that based on how last game (Newbie Mafia) went and my postgame discussions with GlowingBear, I have been trying a slightly different playstyle this game. My opening attempted to generate discussion, and a relatively large number of posts were made about it (the quality of the discussion it generated is more questionable, so perhaps it didn't work out as I intended). The reason I pushed that (false) viewpoint was because I wanted to get as much discussion from it as possible, which I believe I did. As for providing less content per post than in previous games, this is a conscious change I made after seeing how last game went. Brief summary of my play in last game: there wasn't much discussion on the first day, and I was busy, so I didn't share many thoughts or put in the effort that I wanted, and then I died. My death provided absolutely nothing for town to work with, since I hadn't shared any thoughts as they were not anywhere near conclusive. This game I am trying to share my thoughts more frequently to prevent something like that from happening again. The downside is that my posts will not contain as much quality content as I would like, but I believe that I have provided enough content. Everything I say is there for a reason (in the case of the coolTLname paragraph, the reason is because I don't want to delete it; not always the best reason, but whatever).
With that in mind, I will answer geript's question. On January 17 2015 16:37 geript wrote: 3. @Trfel. Which, if any, of my reads do you disagree with and why? Additionally, are there any players or points that you think I've noticeably missed in my analysis? I (obviously) disagree with your read on me. I was intentionally being stubborn to argue with rsoultin and generate discussion, which (as I already stated) I think I was somewhat successful in. I was not so sure about your townread on LightningStrike at the time you made the post in question, but given some rereading and his posting since then, it seems reasonable. Rsoultin's play does seem towny so far, but he hasn't done anything that I couldn't see him doing as scum. I don't think that jarjar is a good lynch, however the reasons for that are mostly due to posts he made after you posted the read. If you have any questions, feel free to ask. This post is too hard to read. Less wall of text bro. These are the type of posts I expect from Tfrel when he is actively playing the game also he is also one of the best Case makers in this game. I think I have higher standards than you.
That guy is good. Don't underestimate him.
Anyway, do you have any scum read already?
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Oh, pupil! You're gonna have a bad time!
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##Unvote ##Vote: geript
I love how you instantly scumread me after town-ish newbies starts scumreading me.
I bet you're mafia.
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I'm going to the beach but I'll be back before deadline.
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On January 18 2015 22:21 DarthPunk wrote: do you really think geript is mafia for suspecting you? because that seems super retarded.
It's pretty clear that I said he is mafia not because he is suspecting me, but because he started suspecting me just when town-ish newbies did so.
As the veteran he is, it should be pretty clear to him that I'm not a good lynch today
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On January 18 2015 23:43 Damdred wrote: I'm awake at work chilling and caught up. Glad you read LS games, he's unlynchable for awhile at least. Meta stuff for him is like crack no matter how many times we say no bad he goes back time and again. Not sure why be not reading your filter is that bad do, I just don't want to and can't make myself so a bit lazy. Today I'd be open to lynching jarjar tr maybe GB but that's a bit doubtful.
WAIT
WHAT'S GOING ON????
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On January 19 2015 00:07 LoneMeow wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2015 06:51 GlowingBear wrote: Gonna read the walls of post later.
ATTENTION LURKERS IMMA GONNA GET YOU!! You keep going on about this, but never do anything about it. Are you perhaps scum?
Like, voting Breshke and saying that he isn't doing what he was supposed to do?
But even if I wasn't doing that. Why am I scum for NOT pushing lurkers?
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On January 19 2015 01:34 Damdred wrote: Rs top town for parroting me. Lm probable mafia and is a great ads tvoe
And I'm a good lynch because...?
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On January 19 2015 01:49 Damdred wrote:Show nested quote +On January 19 2015 01:44 GlowingBear wrote:On January 19 2015 01:34 Damdred wrote: Rs top town for parroting me. Lm probable mafia and is a great ads tvoe And I'm a good lynch because...? Think I said you wouldn't be last page... but lynching GB d1 is fun!
Uh huh.
Damdy you saying that you're okay with lynching me makes me really mad. You can't just town read me and say I'm a good lynch right after. Specially when you know my gameplay well and specially when I know your gameplay well. You would probably keep me alive to work things out with me if you're town.
If you're mafia, in the other hand, you'll try to lynch me because I can catch you when you're scum, specially after a game when everybody townread you but I kept suspecting you.
Damdy, damdy. Oh, damdy.
I have to decide between you, geript or a lurker
I'm gonna read this shit properly now.
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LM is playing exactly like he played in Christmas Carol.
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On January 19 2015 02:08 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On January 19 2015 02:07 GlowingBear wrote: LM is playing exactly like he played in Christmas Carol. I was just thinking that I guess great minds think alike aye?
Yes
Who do you want to lynch?
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Damdy, what is your currently lynch pool, and way, and your strongest townreads.
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A meta case on Breshke at this point isn't that good IMO. There is no much meta to do on day1, and there is no much meta to do regarding a newbie.
All we have is this idea that he lurks more as scum than as town. But he could be inactive because of RL stuff. I'd rather wait more days if that's the only reason to lynch Breshke today.
I would vote SCUMMY lurkers, and I have yet to figure out Breshke's most possible alignment ATM
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On January 19 2015 02:21 Damdred wrote: Lm>jajar >tr
Is where in at What scummy lukerst
Where did the "I'd lynch GB go"?
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On January 19 2015 02:34 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On January 19 2015 02:19 GlowingBear wrote: A meta case on Breshke at this point isn't that good IMO. There is no much meta to do on day1, and there is no much meta to do regarding a newbie.
All we have is this idea that he lurks more as scum than as town. But he could be inactive because of RL stuff. I'd rather wait more days if that's the only reason to lynch Breshke today.
I would vote SCUMMY lurkers, and I have yet to figure out Breshke's most possible alignment ATM Alright then who you want to lynch now and why?
I need damdreds answer first.
I'm Also yet to re read the thread because a lot went on and I didn't follow it through.
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Ok, damdred has been dodging me.
I'm lynching him.
##Unvote ##Vote: Damdred
I'm waiting my lunch to be ready. Meanwhile, I'll catch up.
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Damdred is Mafia!!
Says he could lynch me, when scumreads on me were getting traction:
On January 18 2015 23:43 Damdred wrote: I'm awake at work chilling and caught up. Glad you read LS games, he's unlynchable for awhile at least. Meta stuff for him is like crack no matter how many times we say no bad he goes back time and again. Not sure why be not reading your filter is that bad do, I just don't want to and can't make myself so a bit lazy. Today I'd be open to lynching jarjar tr maybe GB but that's a bit doubtful.
But before that, a series of posts shows he had a slight townread on me, even one post after:
+ Show Spoiler +On January 18 2015 02:33 Damdred wrote:Here in the knowledge bomb for today guys; Town: Trfel: Slightly different from what I am used to in other games, the pressure vote is not alignment indicative as Geript is a good enough player to do this with post restrictions as scum or as town. However the followup to people commenting on his stance is really good, he calls to attention the problems in LS stance at the time which is a good observation and shows that someone is really reading the game. Hes inquisitive about why people are doing things and he seems to be in the thick of all talks when hes in the thread. For now hes in the town pile and i'm pretty sold that he shouldn't be the lynch today at all. LightningStrike: Some of the stances he has taken seem a bit flimsy at times and it seems like he reverts on them as time passes sometimes. Which gave him a few scum points at first from me. But when questioned about where he was in the game he took little to no time at having actual somewhat developed thoughts on the people in the game. Was really quick to answer and hes not scared to push what he is thinking in the thread (or just put it out there) Pretty sure he is town here. RS: Hes town, he pressures people. Hes reading the thread, he has follow up on what he says and hes asking opinions to try to figure out peoples alignments. Wouldn't lynch him today at all. Null: LM: Why you not have your neck out and giving actual thoughts instead of just reacting to what people say to you . Warwaffle: not really rememerable but hasn't posted much Shining: where are you baby doll? Breshke: Who are you again? what do you think? Scum: TLCoolName: I have talked about him before now and I will reinterate. He attacks JarJar at one point and JarJar answers him, instead of interacting with him and trying to figure out his alignment. He disengages and says oh I like this post and never returns to it. When confronted with this information he says he just hasn't analyzed what JarJar has done. Shouldn't be much to analysis and Jarjar was in the thread at the time so he missed a good opoortunity to actually analysis the player and figure out his alignment. And then he switched to talking about me or rather slow pushing a target, he quoted something before the game started. He waited for someone else to vote and threw his vote down with that person. He claims it was a reaction test, but his reaction is not one a town would generally make. Instead of talking it through and trying to understand alignments of both he retreats from the confrontation and says just do analysis on everyone else. This guy is scum, hes not interested in finding out who is scum or pressuring people. He wants to find an easy target park there after someone else has fired the first shot and go on his merry way. General thoughts: I didn't bother to do everyone yet, Geripts huge post is full of good things that I want more peoples comments on. He might be onto something but I haven't rad DP filter or contextualized it yet. GB could really be town here, anger at the start seems authentic and GB hates being VT. Some good thoughts but not as many as drunk bear should usually have at this point. I'm undecided about JarJar currently, his recent postings looked pretty ok, but his previous postings looked bad. So can't really put him in a null town or scum currently but might lynch him depending on play as the game goes along. Overall cool is the scummiest thing in the thread and people should comment on what I wrote. On January 17 2015 23:48 Damdred wrote: A reaction or pressure test is brining that up and voting instantly IE like GB did.
You say that you haven't analys'd Jarjar yet, but then why go after him and then one post later say I love this post and never mention him again? There seems to be a disconnect between what you say and what you ar edoing. On January 17 2015 23:35 Damdred wrote: GB probably town for this.
tlcool is in the scum pile.
Mostly the three names were a reaction test to see how people would look at it. I don't scum read people for 0 posts lol.
LS is probable town.
JarJar made some interesting posts just now I need to go back over On January 19 2015 00:11 Damdred wrote: GB reaction is priceless I'd rather not lynch the bear.
And that's what GB does, likes killing lurkers early
Here is the problem: if you think someone is probably town you can NEVER say, NEVER, that he is someone you could lynch. It doesn't matter if he changed his mind, it doesn't matter if he said "doubtful". LYNCHING ME IS NEVER AN OPTION FOR DAMDRED, SPECIALLY IN THIS GAME, BECAUSE WE ARE EXTREMELY FAMILIAR WITH EACH OTHER GAMEPLAY. A thought of lynching me CAN NEVER CROSS HIS MIND AFTER THOSE QUOTED POSTS.
THIS IS A SCUM KEEPING IS OPTIONS OPEN.
Doubt we have a grasp of each others meta? Check the spoiler:
+ Show Spoiler +On January 15 2015 08:28 GlowingBear wrote:@Marv:(Damdred is town in all the following games): .:Arnie has got a gun minimafia (town damdred/mafia gb): http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/464753-arnie-got-his-gun-mafia?user=Damdred+ Show Spoiler +On August 20 2014 04:41 Damdred wrote:Show nested quote +On August 20 2014 04:35 Xatalos wrote:On August 20 2014 04:32 Damdred wrote:On August 20 2014 04:27 Xatalos wrote: Tbh I think the gun holder should probably shoot GlowingBear or something at this time. This is the dumbest thing in this thread what if they are town and we mislynch? Don't push us to the point of no return day 2 I find it pretty hard to believe that both Tehpoofter and GB are town. Is it outside the realms of realiy? I'm not sure that GB is mafia why not help me understand what you are seeing that makes you unhesitant about him. I'm seeing a lot of his town play right here and hes tunneled on Rob for whatever reason and won't move just doesn't feel like mafia right there This is an example of how usually damdred has an opinion about me. See that he says he is seeing a lot of my town play and that my tunnel on Robik in this game makes me town. He has an opinion on my meta, although it's wrong. This is just an example. You can check how in his first 3 pages of filter he spends a lot of time talking about me. .:Guilty Mini Mafia (town damdred/town gb) http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/465098-guilty-mini-mafia?user=Damdred&page=8+ Show Spoiler +On August 22 2014 23:29 Damdred wrote:Show nested quote +On August 22 2014 22:00 Xatalos wrote:On August 22 2014 21:38 Damdred wrote: Ok caught up and had one cup of coffee so far.
I don't really care for Xatalos reads so much, i'm just going to ignore the part of me since he always does that to me. I don't get his scummy feels vs non scummy feels. Kel is the lowest on the town scale for him but he has given some of the better material in this thread so far and seems the most likely to be towny out of the early posters and he continues to give pretty good reasoning behind his reads he is part of town I really like him right now.
Xata, have you changed your mind about ray and what you originally posted him as? Also if you give Ray a -1 for being asleep when hes usually not active on the boards shouldn't the other people who have 0s have -1 to?
I think I disagree with the GB and Wave rankings the most. GB is townish to me right now besides the awkward re-entrance to the thread and asking for summary which is just weird and seems strange.
You say wave responds to kel in a casual/towny type way? I don't see that at all, it looked like to me he waited on someone else to call him stupid and then jumped on him, and then asked the same question to multiple people and didn't draw conclusions up to that point about them instead he just left that doesn't seem very towny to me. Confused why you gave him such a strong town read Yeah I think Kel is leaning town. Maybe he should be like +2 or +3. For example he's just making enemies and pushing his own thoughts, not something many scum would feel comfortable doing. I'm just kind of null on rayn right now. I've never been good at reading him but I think my heuristic is correct: super helpful rayn = town, unhelpful rayn = null. So null. I'll believe that he was really sleeping so I don't really care about that point of suspicion anymore. How do you disagree about GB if we both townread him? I'll look at the WOS scumgame soon so I'll re-evaluate my read then. If this is the post you responded to me on ok, I don't disagree with a town read on GB for his earlier posting and responses in the thread, infact I agree with you that they felt a lot more natural than when we last saw GB as mafia however (I should of specified earlier) I only disagree with such a strong town read. There have been several instances where GB has been as awkward as the mafia game. re-entry post and where he asked me whether WoS was mafia or not and then promptly went to bed and has had no follow up on that post earlier its strange that it seemed like an important exchange in finding each others alignments but it seems to be quickly forgotten. Also instead of waiting for me to respond to his earlier question he immediately qued on an odd post I made and then retreated to bed shortly before I responded and still hasn't drawn conclusions from the posts. So yes I disagree with your stronger town read currently, I have a falling town lean after re-reading GBs filter. And I know you said earlier WoS activity level cannot be put in comparison to scummy level so glad you checked on that though. On August 23 2014 01:24 Damdred wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2014 00:21 GlowingBear wrote:On August 23 2014 00:20 justanothertownie wrote:On August 23 2014 00:20 GlowingBear wrote:@Robik: On August 22 2014 13:02 GlowingBear wrote: Okay guys, I'm going to sleep. Tomorrow will be a busy day, so I won't be nearly as active. I bolded it so you guys don't come and say: lol look at GB he is lurking LOLOLOLOLOL
Rayn, you know I'm town, embrace me if you're also. I was addressing this motherfucking post. You think I have no right to be mad to be scumread because I'm not posting as much as I yesterday? It's not about the quantity. So you're disregarding every attempt of mine of pushing people yesterday? You really didn't push people yesterday GB, you allowed yourself to be questioned by Wave and you were being a bit dickish to Kel when he didn't answer your question straight away before understanding why he was doing that.When you actually started trying to get answers out of me instead of waiting for me to answer you then pointed to a bad looking post and peace'd out and didn't return to that upon your return at all. So yea theres not much of a push just the image of a push at that point in your filter. Show nested quote +On August 23 2014 00:23 GlowingBear wrote:On August 23 2014 00:21 raynpelikoneet wrote: imo Xatalos (and Damdred) weren't calling you mafia because you didn't post. He called you mafia because your recent posts were bad as fuck. I'll shut up and post when I can read the thread properly, then. I'm trying to give thoughts based on what I've skimmed. If you think I'm mafia because of that single question, you're wrong. I really want you to read the thread and respond when you can GB, you are looking bad because of some of the things I mentioned and this anger because people are scum reading you when you are admittedly behind on the thread feel weird to me generally when i've played with townGB in the past whenever this happened you would take a step back and say let me go read and i'ill be back not get angry it's just weird at this point for you and does feel a bit forced. First post: Damdred is now aware of how I can sound like mafia and has a clear intuition regarding my gameplay. Second post: Damdred says that I look weird when I'm behind the thread, poiting out that I may be scum in this game. Again, check his filter and for the first pages, look how much posts I am his main topic of discussion. .:Fanfic Minimafia (town damdred/mafia gb) http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/466211-tl-mafia-lxviii-fanfic-crossover-edition?user=Damdred&page=6+ Show Spoiler + On September 19 2014 11:47 Damdred wrote: Why would town GB make a big deal about me not analyzing batsnacks at the drop of the hat, and never comment on a post I wrote.
Is going to vote geript without any real reasons or thoughts it feels.
Has started to discredit people and started to paint them scummy...im starting to think GB is scum On September 19 2014 11:20 Damdred wrote: GB you are acting weird I haven't led a read of yours all day and wasn't talking to you with that question but hf to get clarification on stuffs and if you look at my filter I want to lynch geript today Here, with more experience in my gameplay, he townreads me first but starts believing I'm scum for doing awkward things. I've added a bonus post where he clearly states why I'm looking scum. He is taking a very original and genuine stance, with a clear and precise thought process that I HAVE NEVER SEEN IN THIS THREAD YET. Same thing. Read his filter and see how much time he spends talking about me. .:Hearthstone Mafia (town damdred/town gb) http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/469686-hearthstone-mafia?user=Damdred&page=8+ Show Spoiler +On November 02 2014 00:45 Damdred wrote: because i hate lynching the biggest filter on d2 just like on d1 its just a bad idea generally.
GB we've been over your meta a lot, you are more standoffish as scum and you are fluff make promises that you don't keep and when you do its just bad. Right now you have 2/3 scum traits right now. So if i had a gun i might shoot you but i don't. On November 02 2014 07:56 Damdred wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2014 07:55 Blazinghand wrote:On November 02 2014 04:10 Damdred wrote:On November 02 2014 04:09 GlowingBear wrote: I'm not talking anymore. If you guys don't lynch damdred I won't play this game anymore, so you should lynch me. Bye. what the literal fuck.... i'm claiming a blue power role and this is the response? I post my notes though ve mad about redacting and this is what you do. Good job gb is a good lynch then I don't mind the help, Damdred, but you 100% have to explain in detail your thought process between here: On November 02 2014 03:31 Damdred wrote: Sure, i'm up for lynch and in a 9 hour time frame I doubt I could put out enough content especially when a lot of the other people who look scummy to me are somewhat policy lynches in the case of miser, GB shouldn't be lynched today due to the fact of the biggest filter though still hasn't done anything they promised so theres that, and i'm trying to bounce ideas about jrkirby to get feedback while i'm writing my case.
So I really don't want to die as a power role i doubt i get nk'd because i'm a horrible towny, so its just lynch i have to avoid. And Here: On November 02 2014 04:06 Damdred wrote: sorry ve, i was just trying not to make thread cluttered if i messed up spoiler tag,
GB won't even consider not lynching a power role zzzzz, at least ve is showing decent paranoia about my claim instead of just lynch damdred no matter what. GB is probably the mafia here And it's gotta be better than "GB doesn't blindly believe my claim" It's meta reasoning, GB is playing towards his scum meta of making promises never delivering tunneling on one person and being very passive. I was scared to lynch into a big filter and I really still am. First post: Says I'm scum for meta things. Admits we have been over my meta for a long long time. Second post: again, scum reads me for meta. Has a clear distinct meta thingy on me. AGAIN, main topic of his early filter is me. .: Russia Today Mini Mafia (town damdred/town gb) http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/471815-russia-today-mini-mafia?user=Damdred&page=2+ Show Spoiler + On November 28 2014 12:29 Damdred wrote: I'm pretty much caught up I won't go into my town reads but I have a good many of them this time around.
GB- Overall GBs game has been lacking, entrance to the thread was strange for GB had a really try hard air to it which is strange for GB. Does not seem to have a firm direction in the way hes pushing things for the most part, but some thoughts seem to be their and the frustration which he answers a lot of the claims really appears to be real (thats a null trait). Leaning scum on GB but i'm not as confident lynching GB today as the response to Superbia actually looks ok and the small bit of paranoia GB has towards some of the other players look real.
Sent- I would probably settle on a sent lynch today right now, I cannot remember anything from the 4x pages of game besides sent talking about turtling up for the day. Nothing memorable besides a pressure on my slot.
Sno- Frustration seems real, overall lacking day is very different from the last game I played with him (Neat and tidy mafia) was able to give reads even though he was unfamiliar with meta and tried to really help town out. Doesnt really show that here.
Overall i'm more in favor of a sent lynch as he is possibly the least memorable person in the thread On November 28 2014 13:12 Damdred wrote: You can check with this host if he has a problem, I personally don't care as long as the flip happens since then my play is public knowledge.
I chose you sno and GB. GB has played oddly by his standards but has a few staples of his town play.
Sno reacted strangely to pressure but seemed genuinely frustrated at the way he was being read and treated by some players.
You on the other hand sent have taken almost no pressure becaue you have steered clear of almost everything and turned most of everything into a joke. Its not so much that you have been absent from the thread for the first 24 hours, its clear from your filter that you were here during some of the decent moments during the thread, but you didn't give your opinons on them and you seemed pretty wishy washy, you still haven't given reads besides pressuring elvis which you have now retreated on and we stiill have no idea what you found out from the pressure.
Why aren't you still pressuring? You can't have gained much insight into my alignment and its pretty obvious that you disagreed with what I came up with and view it was easy lynches perhaps? So why not keep pressuring me instead of retreating? On November 29 2014 00:08 Damdred wrote: Screw you JAT no reason to be snarky at me at this point.
@Marv, I'm not sure sno is acting strange but he's said some things I've remembered I think. Sent has kept his hands clean and even though he's been back in the thread he's avoided mu questions to him about his vote. There's a ton more games on me to read so he could get some hood evidence.
though GB becomes a better lynch as his case does not materialize On November 29 2014 00:38 Damdred wrote:Show nested quote +On November 29 2014 00:11 marvellosity wrote: it's just a little weird, damdred, that you use meta when talking about sn0 (and others i think) but not at all on the main person you're pushing I'm not really sure I agree, sno is weird in thread and is totally different from last time I played, just not sure he is the lynch today idk. So is GB but there are a few posts and a missing case that drives gbs scumminess for me currently rather than meta. don't think I've played with sent I just think how sent is going about today is scummy. On November 29 2014 00:42 Damdred wrote: Spent most time on GB because I'm most familiar with GB probably. I'm more null for you jat but you would rather lynch me? On November 29 2014 00:59 Damdred wrote: GB is more likely town than scum after that case probably On November 29 2014 04:20 Damdred wrote:Show nested quote +On November 29 2014 03:55 Holyflare wrote: Damd I want you off the top of your head to explain why you think gb is town. Like fully explain as much as you can without checking his posts. Struggles with getting across complex ideas and generally looks meh doing it at times which is generally towny of GB. Does what he promises instead of excuses and foes after a hard target in Marv instead of an easy target he could of picked. Seems to believe everything he says. First post: a very strong meta thing on me. Second post: gut feelings/meta thing on me. THIRD AND FOURTH POST (IMPORTANT): scumread me for meta (he is scum if his promised case doesn't materialize). FIFTH POST: admits he is familiar with my gameplay and, therefore, spends more time with me.SIXTH POST: META ME AS TOWN BECAUSE I'VE DELIVERED A CASE. SEVENTH POST: SHOWS WHAT HE BELIEVES IS A TOWNTELL FROM ME I'm gonna stop on Russia Minimafia because it alone is very damning. Also, remember that Russia was AFTER Hearthstone, a game where damdred said he stopped making meta reads on me because he was wrong on me, WHAT IS EXTREME BULLSHIT SINCE HE META'ED ME A LOT ON RUSSIA MINIMAFIA. As ever, he spends a lot of time having me as the main topic. TL;DR = read only Russia Minimafia part I also want you to look at how his thoughts are clear in these games and how contributive he is to the thread, a very different behaviour from him regarding this game. A couple of Damdred's town posts that I have never, ever seen in this game below: + Show Spoiler + On November 02 2014 00:36 Damdred wrote:If you want reasons behind my reads i'm more than happy to give my reasons, generally if you ask me for something I do it. GB asked for the reads laughed them off. Jay is a good townread I think currently, Overall his posts seem to have a clear direction in them with a clear thought pattern that town generally has. He starts the game off with Its a strange opening, but he does not stop at that he explains himself in what appears to be a concise manner. Show nested quote +On October 31 2014 11:29 jaybrundage wrote: @holyflare I don't like day one because I struggle with having no concrete information.
Votes for me already? I love it :D DO TELL?
WHY WOULD YOU EVER VOTE FOR ME? He also sees pressure votes piling up on him and welcomes them just asking why they are that way. He doesn't freak out about the votes, he wants to know why though. Show nested quote +On October 31 2014 13:43 jaybrundage wrote:I dont know about GB, I think he called out someones first post in a dumb way. First post they don't say anything besides nothing suspicious. And he said why post if you dont have anything to say and you dont wanna joke around. My response to that would be it's super early in the day people post because there is nothing else to do. They post for the hell of it till they think they see something scummy and they scumhunt. Oh and just so no one gets confused I just liked VE's post cause VE is awesome and he said Stay tuned for more simplistic insights with VE. God I love this guy XD I hadn't looked into GB before then. The pressure has moved off of him, but he continues to help the thread and posts like this seem to have a clear thought pattern behind them. He is really logical about how he approaches things and seems to be coming from a town mindset hes not looking to gang up on people in his filter (or thread). He is generally replying to everything asked of him and giving his thoughts about what is going on. I'll give a few examples of that now some of it is policy talk which is really safe but Show nested quote +On October 31 2014 13:59 jaybrundage wrote: Wait guys I just had an idea what if Mr.Bigglesworth is actually part of Kulthazard as a third party. Who's job is to eliminate the horde cause in that case we should never give votes to the cat. As it can't help us find scum. As horde is not indicative of Mafia Alignment. (crazy theory lololol) Show nested quote +On October 31 2014 14:13 jaybrundage wrote:On October 31 2014 14:08 ritoky wrote:On October 31 2014 14:03 jaybrundage wrote:On October 31 2014 13:58 GlowingBear wrote:On October 31 2014 13:55 jaybrundage wrote:On October 31 2014 13:53 GlowingBear wrote:On October 31 2014 13:51 Oatsmaster wrote: I would analyse scum. british spelling.
GB, are you scum?
So, you think asking me if I'm scum is doing a better job than pointing out a bad entrance? C'mon oats. Would you prefer if that person hadn't posted then? Would that be more townie? Tell me the town motivation behind coming to the thread, summarizing a thread 2 pages long, downgrading his gameplay and bringing nothing contributive. It isn't even a conversation starter. You didn't answer my question You stated if they didnt wanna joke around why would they post. I would say cause people feel obligated to post on day 1 as there is nothing else to do. As for downgrading himself. I know i am not the next prodigy mafia player, palmar incarnate. I am a just an average mafia player that enjoys the game. Who cares if someone knows they aren't great. I think people say that ts a scum tell but i never feel like scum actually use it. You are on about some really arbitrary, nitpicking stuff imo. I am not a fan. There's a difference between knowing you're not great; and first posts advertising how not great you are. I'm trying to get people to post about there reasoning and to post more so i can get a better read on them. The faster there is substance in the thread. The faster real analyzing can happen. By me "nitpicking" hopefully you can also get a better read on me as well as GB. Who is my nit...pickeded XD (really like this post) He also calls out hf for what he sees a shit flinging. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/469686-hearthstone-mafia?page=25#483http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/469686-hearthstone-mafia?page=27#538He actually pressures a good many people in the thread and draws attention to himself through it, with the hf, the lord tolkien, puts some pressure on gb Show nested quote +On November 01 2014 13:41 jaybrundage wrote: Obi I thought you were gonna come back and talk about stuff. Shoot. Who's your scum read?
@ Liancourt. I noticed that you seem to comment on a lot of things and often ask questions. Liking it so far. I am not sure who your top scum read is tho. Do you have anyone picked out?
I would ideally like to get each person to set up a position on who they would like to lynch. The day is half over, What would suck is if at the end of the day we have people with poorly defined positions who just can pile on any bandwagon with little reasoning and because of that let scum influence the lynch.
I'm not posting this just to try to give scum a hard time. Townies do this shit too and it makes it harder to sift thru the drivel after a lynch. he is digging for thoughts into people so that he can get better reads and get the thread involved. So overall, he seems to be coming from a towny mindset. Hes looking for information gives his thoughts pretty freely and is doing things. He shouldn't be a lynch today and unless he takes a nose dive or some form of red check confirmed hes in my town pile pretty heavily. On August 20 2014 00:41 Damdred wrote:Show nested quote +On August 20 2014 00:35 Xatalos wrote:On August 20 2014 00:24 Oatsmaster wrote: Seriously nobody is looking into damdred as possible scum? ? ?
Xata, what changed your mind?
He may be scum, I just don't like lynching him right now as much as before. He reacted to pressure by posting a lot of original content and participating in the discussion - granted, it was in large part about townreading me, so maybe I'm a bit biased. At least I think his thoughts regarding me were correct. What I don't like is how he just casually threw some suspicion on GB and didn't really pursue the issue himself. Are you serious right here? here are the posts where i pursued the issue with GB Show nested quote +On August 19 2014 01:38 Damdred wrote: GB, while i agree its weird that Rob is lurking and spamming he thread like he normally would he did explain that his work blocked the webpages and he will be able to be more critical when he is at home. I want to give him that chance, because it is weird having a non spammy rob.
But its not alignment indicative also. Also GB do you really think Rob is the best vote today? Show nested quote +On August 19 2014 01:57 Damdred wrote:On August 19 2014 01:46 GlowingBear wrote:On August 19 2014 01:38 Damdred wrote: GB, while i agree its weird that Rob is lurking and spamming he thread like he normally would he did explain that his work blocked the webpages and he will be able to be more critical when he is at home. I want to give him that chance, because it is weird having a non spammy rob.
But its not alignment indicative also. Also GB do you really think Rob is the best vote today? I think Robik is the best vote now, for the reasons I've brought. I don't like Yamato and gprit lurking as well. Actually your case draws strength from rob not being rob like atleast thats what it seems. Rob pointing out a scummy post by you doesn't show that hes scummy infact he wasn't the first person really to draw attention your way, and hes told the thread about his posting issues so I really don't think you have a case. Show nested quote +On August 19 2014 02:11 Damdred wrote:On August 19 2014 02:03 GlowingBear wrote:On August 19 2014 01:57 Damdred wrote:On August 19 2014 01:46 GlowingBear wrote:On August 19 2014 01:38 Damdred wrote: GB, while i agree its weird that Rob is lurking and spamming he thread like he normally would he did explain that his work blocked the webpages and he will be able to be more critical when he is at home. I want to give him that chance, because it is weird having a non spammy rob.
But its not alignment indicative also. Also GB do you really think Rob is the best vote today? I think Robik is the best vote now, for the reasons I've brought. I don't like Yamato and gprit lurking as well. Actually your case draws strength from rob not being rob like atleast thats what it seems. Rob pointing out a scummy post by you doesn't show that hes scummy infact he wasn't the first person really to draw attention your way, and hes told the thread about his posting issues so I really don't think you have a case. You're the first wagon. If you say you're town and if you believe Robik isn't mafia, who is? It doesn't matter who the first wagon is honestly either you think i'm town or you don't. I didn't say Rob wasn't mafia I said your case was anon case and you should give him time to get home and be more critical to see if he acts normal or not. I'd say from his limited postings I don't see a lot of anything scummy about what he has posted. Right now it's hard for me to ignore Yamato since he hasn't posted, but its still early in day one and certain people haven't posted at all. There just is not a lot to go on, got a few town leans right now, and you seem weird to me right now GB. You have thrown suspicion on several players, and when some pressure was added to you, you honestly threw some more suspicion and left the thread/lurked until recently when you decided to jump on Rob. Just is weird for you right now Show nested quote +On August 19 2014 03:32 Damdred wrote: Right now you have two wagons GB, Rob and Damdred (go me),
To me neither wagon seems really strong one is based off of a sorta meta read where rob isn't being his normal rob self, he explained it well before you posted that his work blocked websites and hes slower than normal and not able to play as critically as when hes at home, yet you vote for him (granted i been playing in a lot of IML games so votes don't have as big of impact). You use the same excuse as Rob does that you can't post as much or quote as much since you are on the phone most of the time and you find him lurky. Neither of these reasons seem really hard enough for a vote or a good case. If someone else gave this case GB would you find it a good enough case to vote for?
Your Damdred case (or case on me XD) revolves around one of my first posts that I made shortly after getting off a long shift. I rightfully got attacked on it. This case is better than Robs case that it is a weird post but it seems to neglect a lot of the content that came after the day 1 start. Looking at the day and how its went and participation would you vote for this case over rob?
Would you vote for either of these cases or would you look elsewhere or at the person presenting the cases GB? To me neither case makes much sense and just feels like flinging stuff until you find something that sticks. And I don't like it don't like it at all. Also you cast some doubt on ray and its a good tactic mafia would use to distance themselves from the ray kill, so even though Xat would say why would they do this I can see it. Show nested quote +On August 19 2014 03:33 Damdred wrote: Also gb i forgot to ask whats up with the lurkers? Almost everyone has commented on them and of course I don't want them to lurk and nobody does since we can't get good reads and it will make lylo really hard if one of them makes it Why are you lying on me Xata? There was NOTHING casual about this I went after GB and didn't stop and GB eventually left the thread and came back today....why are you saying things like this On August 20 2014 01:30 Damdred wrote:I don't like Geript at this time and i'm pretty sure a lot of what hes doing is mafia oriented. Show nested quote +On August 19 2014 04:58 geript wrote:On August 18 2014 08:31 GlowingBear wrote:On August 18 2014 08:20 Xatalos wrote:I hope he is and makes a mistake He may not be the shitty witch, but I don't like that he started doing jokes about roles night0. Sounds like mafia trying to talk about blue roles and making it easier to the shitty witch to use his power. easiest post to make every scum pile. On August 18 2014 08:51 Xatalos wrote:On August 18 2014 08:45 GlowingBear wrote:On August 18 2014 08:37 Xatalos wrote:On August 18 2014 08:31 GlowingBear wrote:On August 18 2014 08:20 Xatalos wrote:I hope he is and makes a mistake He may not be the shitty witch, but I don't like that he started doing jokes about roles night0. Sounds like mafia trying to talk about blue roles and making it easier to the shitty witch to use his power. Hm. I guess it would be best to be as silent as possible about our roles until N0 is over. Dunno what would be the point of that check thingy. Possibly scum-motivated, or just bored. Rayn could be town trying to take a bullet, but that's dumb, and Rayn is a good player. Being bored isn't an excuse. You gotta admit it is at least suspicious. I think the purpose of that stunt would be rather to survive than to take a bullet as town. What Cop would joke about checks during N0? Or then he did that exactly because of that (WIFOM WIFOM). Anyways, it could be just to mess up with the scumteam. I did something similar in a N0 game earlier as town. So I don't really see it as exactly "suspicious", more like potentially scum-motivated, maybe without any real motivation or town-motivated in a convoluted way? talking more about wifom double scumpile On August 18 2014 11:34 yamato77 wrote: rayn thinks fakeclaiming is good, lol yam being yam, scumpile On August 18 2014 11:40 Tehpoofter wrote:On August 18 2014 11:34 yamato77 wrote: rayn thinks fakeclaiming is good, lol This comment is scummy. banks being banks, scumpile On August 18 2014 13:34 IAmRobik wrote:On August 18 2014 13:27 yamato77 wrote: robik agreeing with me is scummy LOL I thought oats was town. I remember you calling oats town, so I said that you were right about him being town. That's not weird at all. That's called reading the game and coming to a conclusion that is similar to someone else's LOL it's kinda odd. I usually have a very hard time reading robik. maybe the time away has let me clear my head a bit, but i get good feels off of this post. There's the combination of sincerity and arrogance that I expect from robik. townpile for now On August 18 2014 15:27 raynpelikoneet wrote: Well Xatalos didn't say he thinks i am mafia but his posting implies talking about roles is dumb (which it is) and then he does nothing but that. I really disagree with you here. I get that you don't like his posts; I'm not particularly fond of them either; he's on my to read list. But this is usually what I see from town. On August 18 2014 19:42 raynpelikoneet wrote: I don't agree with your yamato read. Obviously.
I agree with poofer although i do not remember if he usually plays at the start of the game or not because here he sure isn't.
I am pretty sure Damdred is mafia. His post about me & GB and his read on yamato doesn't really make any sense. That's pretty much all he has said.
Oats feels too laid back. It is strange. I haven't played with him in ages so i guess time will tell. Sure worth keeping eye on. I didn't like how he agreed with my post on Damdred but didn't push Damdred about it (as he implied he figured out same stuff i did). That's not town!Oats'y imo.
Your read on me is BS - you can't say what you did in the first place because i can't possibly comment on it in any way. <3 On August 18 2014 20:01 Palmar wrote:Day 1raynpelikoneet the cop is dead Deadline is Tuesday, Aug 19 11:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00) Any vote cast after 22:59 GMT (+00:00) will not be counted. </3 On August 18 2014 23:03 Damdred wrote:On August 18 2014 22:46 Oatsmaster wrote:Man I dont understand this part at all Damdred. also just by reading the thread it looks like Xatalos would have the biggest filter day one so even if I did feel hes scummy I wouldn't push a lynch on him at this point its more town xat. Why big filter = town and why wont you push him if you think he is scummy regardless of his filter? buddy much? Town Xatalos posts a lot and posts whatever hes thinking whenever in my experience with him. His filter size shows if hes being towny. And what i've noticed hes been pretty open about his reads and opinions isn't scared to be wrong and always tries to explain his thought process. And generally its always a bad idea to lynch into the people with the biggest filters day one normally they aren't mafia, if his play tapers off and he starts to lurk i'll rethink it but i don't think hes a good lynch for day one at all. And Xat it did feel like you were just sheeping what Ray was saying at first but looking back over the thread I thought it was pretty consitant with what you been saying. So it was probably more of a reaction to being called mafia at this point, so yea i'm pretty town on you right now. When I read this post it's a pretty odd post. It's what I usually see from scum over explaining thing. On August 19 2014 01:45 IAmRobik wrote: Well that explains a lot I don't remember why I highlighted this quote, maybe i'll remember later. On August 19 2014 01:57 Damdred wrote:On August 19 2014 01:46 GlowingBear wrote:On August 19 2014 01:38 Damdred wrote: GB, while i agree its weird that Rob is lurking and spamming he thread like he normally would he did explain that his work blocked the webpages and he will be able to be more critical when he is at home. I want to give him that chance, because it is weird having a non spammy rob.
But its not alignment indicative also. Also GB do you really think Rob is the best vote today? I think Robik is the best vote now, for the reasons I've brought. I don't like Yamato and gprit lurking as well. Actually your case draws strength from rob not being rob like atleast thats what it seems. Rob pointing out a scummy post by you doesn't show that hes scummy infact he wasn't the first person really to draw attention your way, and hes told the thread about his posting issues so I really don't think you have a case. Foul: Playing from sidelindsOn August 19 2014 03:44 yamato77 wrote: Oats and Xata are probably town fuck Ok so his first real post in the thread is a list post, it looks big and good but a lot of it is no analysis really or spotty analysis at best. Also him pulling my post that he says is odd is strange its not my most scummy post by far up to this point oats got me on that one. Subsequently he has little follow up with a lot of this and some of these posts aren't as scummy in context as they appear. Show nested quote +On August 19 2014 05:14 geript wrote:On August 19 2014 05:07 Xatalos wrote: So geript, both yamato and me ended up in your scumpile but disappeared by your following post? Or we two are just lesser reads? yam is always scum. wasn't really look for scum but for who's town. Rayn's post actually had me rethinking about you and the more you posted the more I liked. Actually i'm really confused now all of this ray town read Xata when all he said about xata was or his most recent posting before death Show nested quote +On August 18 2014 19:06 raynpelikoneet wrote: Should be ending now.
scum: Damdred, idk... fishy: Oats (because he is making sense), Xatalos (i would expect more from him so far) town: GB, yamato dunno: Robik, geript so i'm not understanding why rays posting would have him rethinking his scum read when he generally trusts rays reads...its just strange and implies that ray townread xata more of this later Show nested quote +On August 19 2014 13:39 geript wrote:Since I'm finally home, I'll explain a few points on poofy: 1. The timing thing. Whether or not I'm right on what Marv saw is beside the point. Banks flat out stated he thought he knew what the timing thing was and is trying to emulate his town play. Who the fuck tries to emulate their town play as town???? 2. Banks has only pushed me as mafia when he's mafia. He also very much tends to do it at Lylo or right before Lylo. This is classic scum banks. 3. Banks fucking loves to wifom fake claim as town. He has like 2 posts about being cop after Rayn did it and nothing else. He's not playing for that fun factor at all which is super scummy for him. 4. He has no interest whatsoever in actually finding town. Rather he's focus on asking questions and doing jack shit until he actually picked up suspicion. EZPZ is scum would lynch A s for GB, he's struggled to post. He had a pretty worthless entrance and then there was this gem of a post:On August 18 2014 10:43 GlowingBear wrote:On August 18 2014 10:33 Tehpoofter wrote: I want it to be day 1 already lol. I feel like n0 is going insanely slow. Maybe because Palmar started it so late for the Euros but I want to get this shit going!! I also want to get this going but I have no idea how to start a trend. I've brought suspicions on Rayn but people dropped it fast so... Yeah. This is really odd. He's lost as to what he can do as town? Did he forget he could reread or go through filters? Like that's super scummy. Plus he reads me as super town but has no clue about my reads on people. Wtf? On Dandruff. Rayn had the scumread on him and Rayn's reads early are quite good. His read on Xat was super early and almost mystical; too good for when it came. And as he progressed he softened the read from town to maybe town to more likely to be town but like 55%. How essentially detatched and idk "plAying nice" he's being rubs me the wrong way. Plus it's weird that he's able to find town reads on people but that doesn't push him to think: "if these people (Xat/Oats) are town, then the three scum must be in those other 5 so let me look at them closely." I'm going to ignore the part about me here people can disect it if they want. I want to talk about GB first I really feel like the post he quotes isn't scummy at all for what was going on in the thread at the time and it could be taken out of context and shown as scummy. And he claims to trust rays reads....but ray had GB as town hrm. Point three about poof just doesn't make sense, and i'd rather him not be hunting for town. He should be hunting for scum. I hate this stupd stupid stupid timing read meta shit that he keeps bringing up its crappy and honestly stupid. Its not indicative of mafia or town at all and him claiming poof said he was trying to emulate his town game is just...honestly a lie or a misinterpretation of what poof actually said since he was talking about two seperate games he played with marv when explaining what this shit was to me. And then he continues to spout it to gain poof lynch support. Show nested quote +On August 19 2014 23:59 geript wrote:On August 19 2014 23:54 GlowingBear wrote:On August 19 2014 23:52 Xatalos wrote:On August 19 2014 23:34 geript wrote:On August 18 2014 20:01 Palmar wrote:Day 1raynpelikoneet the cop is dead Deadline is Tuesday, Aug 19 11:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00) Any vote cast after 22:59 GMT (+00:00) will not be counted. Xat's right. Like 9 hours to go and it's like 1-1-1 or something. No lynch is not an option here. I'll consolidate on any of Dandruff, poofter or Giggles (but either of the latter is preferable). Get your shit together people. It's plurality lynch though so consolidation isn't as crucial. In fact it might be better to have 2 competing wagons, like GB/Tehpoofter. That would provide more info. At the moment I'm leaning slightly more on GB since Tehpoofter feels so similar to his last towngame (even that marry/bang post is pretty identical to that game haha - although maybe he posted that since I was looking at his earlier game...). Why do you scumread me and poof, exactly? Why exactly does it matter? Of course yoru reads on why you scum read people matter, or in this case have an illusion of scum reading people where you take stuff out of context to make them look scummy lie about what people actually say to make them look scummy and have people spouting off he gave good reads....he hasn't done jack shit but just has the appearance of it.
VOTE DAMDRED FOR GREAT JUSTICE!
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On January 19 2015 04:17 Damdred wrote: I don't like that case but the last quote is after I said I maybe would lynch you. But meh
Never told me I was dodging
I've stated that.
You could never consider lynching me for a second damdy. You or probably your partner realised you slipped and then you posted that.
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On January 19 2015 04:19 geript wrote: ##vote glowingbear The PoE hasn't really changed. LM, GB, JJB, Trfel and Shining are all decent lynches imo. If expect to see someone add good reasons if the want to lynch WW, Breshke or Trfel. I feel a lot like DP. There's not a really strong leader in the pack for me. That said, GB showing he has no intention of posting or thinking reasonably earns my vote. LM I'm kinda unsure what to do with because he feels so disjoint, but I kinda like the reasons for the Breshke read but... Idk it's such an easy thing to push.
Not thinking reasonably you say? After all the thoughts I've put in this thread and after what I've just brought from damdred?
Uh huh.
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On January 19 2015 04:21 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On January 19 2015 04:07 GlowingBear wrote:Damdred is Mafia!! Says he could lynch me, when scumreads on me were getting traction: On January 18 2015 23:43 Damdred wrote: I'm awake at work chilling and caught up. Glad you read LS games, he's unlynchable for awhile at least. Meta stuff for him is like crack no matter how many times we say no bad he goes back time and again. Not sure why be not reading your filter is that bad do, I just don't want to and can't make myself so a bit lazy. Today I'd be open to lynching jarjar tr maybe GB but that's a bit doubtful. But before that, a series of posts shows he had a slight townread on me, even one post after: + Show Spoiler +On January 18 2015 02:33 Damdred wrote:Here in the knowledge bomb for today guys; Town: Trfel: Slightly different from what I am used to in other games, the pressure vote is not alignment indicative as Geript is a good enough player to do this with post restrictions as scum or as town. However the followup to people commenting on his stance is really good, he calls to attention the problems in LS stance at the time which is a good observation and shows that someone is really reading the game. Hes inquisitive about why people are doing things and he seems to be in the thick of all talks when hes in the thread. For now hes in the town pile and i'm pretty sold that he shouldn't be the lynch today at all. LightningStrike: Some of the stances he has taken seem a bit flimsy at times and it seems like he reverts on them as time passes sometimes. Which gave him a few scum points at first from me. But when questioned about where he was in the game he took little to no time at having actual somewhat developed thoughts on the people in the game. Was really quick to answer and hes not scared to push what he is thinking in the thread (or just put it out there) Pretty sure he is town here. RS: Hes town, he pressures people. Hes reading the thread, he has follow up on what he says and hes asking opinions to try to figure out peoples alignments. Wouldn't lynch him today at all. Null: LM: Why you not have your neck out and giving actual thoughts instead of just reacting to what people say to you . Warwaffle: not really rememerable but hasn't posted much Shining: where are you baby doll? Breshke: Who are you again? what do you think? Scum: TLCoolName: I have talked about him before now and I will reinterate. He attacks JarJar at one point and JarJar answers him, instead of interacting with him and trying to figure out his alignment. He disengages and says oh I like this post and never returns to it. When confronted with this information he says he just hasn't analyzed what JarJar has done. Shouldn't be much to analysis and Jarjar was in the thread at the time so he missed a good opoortunity to actually analysis the player and figure out his alignment. And then he switched to talking about me or rather slow pushing a target, he quoted something before the game started. He waited for someone else to vote and threw his vote down with that person. He claims it was a reaction test, but his reaction is not one a town would generally make. Instead of talking it through and trying to understand alignments of both he retreats from the confrontation and says just do analysis on everyone else. This guy is scum, hes not interested in finding out who is scum or pressuring people. He wants to find an easy target park there after someone else has fired the first shot and go on his merry way. General thoughts: I didn't bother to do everyone yet, Geripts huge post is full of good things that I want more peoples comments on. He might be onto something but I haven't rad DP filter or contextualized it yet. GB could really be town here, anger at the start seems authentic and GB hates being VT. Some good thoughts but not as many as drunk bear should usually have at this point. I'm undecided about JarJar currently, his recent postings looked pretty ok, but his previous postings looked bad. So can't really put him in a null town or scum currently but might lynch him depending on play as the game goes along. Overall cool is the scummiest thing in the thread and people should comment on what I wrote. On January 17 2015 23:48 Damdred wrote: A reaction or pressure test is brining that up and voting instantly IE like GB did.
You say that you haven't analys'd Jarjar yet, but then why go after him and then one post later say I love this post and never mention him again? There seems to be a disconnect between what you say and what you ar edoing. On January 17 2015 23:35 Damdred wrote: GB probably town for this.
tlcool is in the scum pile.
Mostly the three names were a reaction test to see how people would look at it. I don't scum read people for 0 posts lol.
LS is probable town.
JarJar made some interesting posts just now I need to go back over On January 19 2015 00:11 Damdred wrote: GB reaction is priceless I'd rather not lynch the bear.
And that's what GB does, likes killing lurkers early Here is the problem: if you think someone is probably town you can NEVER say, NEVER, that he is someone you could lynch. It doesn't matter if he changed his mind, it doesn't matter if he said "doubtful". LYNCHING ME IS NEVER AN OPTION FOR DAMDRED, SPECIALLY IN THIS GAME, BECAUSE WE ARE EXTREMELY FAMILIAR WITH EACH OTHER GAMEPLAY. A thought of lynching me CAN NEVER CROSS HIS MIND AFTER THOSE QUOTED POSTS. THIS IS A SCUM KEEPING IS OPTIONS OPEN. Doubt we have a grasp of each others meta? Check the spoiler: + Show Spoiler +On January 15 2015 08:28 GlowingBear wrote:@Marv:(Damdred is town in all the following games): .:Arnie has got a gun minimafia (town damdred/mafia gb): http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/464753-arnie-got-his-gun-mafia?user=Damdred+ Show Spoiler +On August 20 2014 04:41 Damdred wrote:Show nested quote +On August 20 2014 04:35 Xatalos wrote:On August 20 2014 04:32 Damdred wrote:On August 20 2014 04:27 Xatalos wrote: Tbh I think the gun holder should probably shoot GlowingBear or something at this time. This is the dumbest thing in this thread what if they are town and we mislynch? Don't push us to the point of no return day 2 I find it pretty hard to believe that both Tehpoofter and GB are town. Is it outside the realms of realiy? I'm not sure that GB is mafia why not help me understand what you are seeing that makes you unhesitant about him. I'm seeing a lot of his town play right here and hes tunneled on Rob for whatever reason and won't move just doesn't feel like mafia right there This is an example of how usually damdred has an opinion about me. See that he says he is seeing a lot of my town play and that my tunnel on Robik in this game makes me town. He has an opinion on my meta, although it's wrong. This is just an example. You can check how in his first 3 pages of filter he spends a lot of time talking about me. .:Guilty Mini Mafia (town damdred/town gb) http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/465098-guilty-mini-mafia?user=Damdred&page=8+ Show Spoiler +On August 22 2014 23:29 Damdred wrote:Show nested quote +On August 22 2014 22:00 Xatalos wrote:On August 22 2014 21:38 Damdred wrote: Ok caught up and had one cup of coffee so far.
I don't really care for Xatalos reads so much, i'm just going to ignore the part of me since he always does that to me. I don't get his scummy feels vs non scummy feels. Kel is the lowest on the town scale for him but he has given some of the better material in this thread so far and seems the most likely to be towny out of the early posters and he continues to give pretty good reasoning behind his reads he is part of town I really like him right now.
Xata, have you changed your mind about ray and what you originally posted him as? Also if you give Ray a -1 for being asleep when hes usually not active on the boards shouldn't the other people who have 0s have -1 to?
I think I disagree with the GB and Wave rankings the most. GB is townish to me right now besides the awkward re-entrance to the thread and asking for summary which is just weird and seems strange.
You say wave responds to kel in a casual/towny type way? I don't see that at all, it looked like to me he waited on someone else to call him stupid and then jumped on him, and then asked the same question to multiple people and didn't draw conclusions up to that point about them instead he just left that doesn't seem very towny to me. Confused why you gave him such a strong town read Yeah I think Kel is leaning town. Maybe he should be like +2 or +3. For example he's just making enemies and pushing his own thoughts, not something many scum would feel comfortable doing. I'm just kind of null on rayn right now. I've never been good at reading him but I think my heuristic is correct: super helpful rayn = town, unhelpful rayn = null. So null. I'll believe that he was really sleeping so I don't really care about that point of suspicion anymore. How do you disagree about GB if we both townread him? I'll look at the WOS scumgame soon so I'll re-evaluate my read then. If this is the post you responded to me on ok, I don't disagree with a town read on GB for his earlier posting and responses in the thread, infact I agree with you that they felt a lot more natural than when we last saw GB as mafia however (I should of specified earlier) I only disagree with such a strong town read. There have been several instances where GB has been as awkward as the mafia game. re-entry post and where he asked me whether WoS was mafia or not and then promptly went to bed and has had no follow up on that post earlier its strange that it seemed like an important exchange in finding each others alignments but it seems to be quickly forgotten. Also instead of waiting for me to respond to his earlier question he immediately qued on an odd post I made and then retreated to bed shortly before I responded and still hasn't drawn conclusions from the posts. So yes I disagree with your stronger town read currently, I have a falling town lean after re-reading GBs filter. And I know you said earlier WoS activity level cannot be put in comparison to scummy level so glad you checked on that though. On August 23 2014 01:24 Damdred wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2014 00:21 GlowingBear wrote:On August 23 2014 00:20 justanothertownie wrote:On August 23 2014 00:20 GlowingBear wrote:@Robik: On August 22 2014 13:02 GlowingBear wrote: Okay guys, I'm going to sleep. Tomorrow will be a busy day, so I won't be nearly as active. I bolded it so you guys don't come and say: lol look at GB he is lurking LOLOLOLOLOL
Rayn, you know I'm town, embrace me if you're also. I was addressing this motherfucking post. You think I have no right to be mad to be scumread because I'm not posting as much as I yesterday? It's not about the quantity. So you're disregarding every attempt of mine of pushing people yesterday? You really didn't push people yesterday GB, you allowed yourself to be questioned by Wave and you were being a bit dickish to Kel when he didn't answer your question straight away before understanding why he was doing that.When you actually started trying to get answers out of me instead of waiting for me to answer you then pointed to a bad looking post and peace'd out and didn't return to that upon your return at all. So yea theres not much of a push just the image of a push at that point in your filter. Show nested quote +On August 23 2014 00:23 GlowingBear wrote:On August 23 2014 00:21 raynpelikoneet wrote: imo Xatalos (and Damdred) weren't calling you mafia because you didn't post. He called you mafia because your recent posts were bad as fuck. I'll shut up and post when I can read the thread properly, then. I'm trying to give thoughts based on what I've skimmed. If you think I'm mafia because of that single question, you're wrong. I really want you to read the thread and respond when you can GB, you are looking bad because of some of the things I mentioned and this anger because people are scum reading you when you are admittedly behind on the thread feel weird to me generally when i've played with townGB in the past whenever this happened you would take a step back and say let me go read and i'ill be back not get angry it's just weird at this point for you and does feel a bit forced. First post: Damdred is now aware of how I can sound like mafia and has a clear intuition regarding my gameplay. Second post: Damdred says that I look weird when I'm behind the thread, poiting out that I may be scum in this game. Again, check his filter and for the first pages, look how much posts I am his main topic of discussion. .:Fanfic Minimafia (town damdred/mafia gb) http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/466211-tl-mafia-lxviii-fanfic-crossover-edition?user=Damdred&page=6+ Show Spoiler + On September 19 2014 11:47 Damdred wrote: Why would town GB make a big deal about me not analyzing batsnacks at the drop of the hat, and never comment on a post I wrote.
Is going to vote geript without any real reasons or thoughts it feels.
Has started to discredit people and started to paint them scummy...im starting to think GB is scum On September 19 2014 11:20 Damdred wrote: GB you are acting weird I haven't led a read of yours all day and wasn't talking to you with that question but hf to get clarification on stuffs and if you look at my filter I want to lynch geript today Here, with more experience in my gameplay, he townreads me first but starts believing I'm scum for doing awkward things. I've added a bonus post where he clearly states why I'm looking scum. He is taking a very original and genuine stance, with a clear and precise thought process that I HAVE NEVER SEEN IN THIS THREAD YET. Same thing. Read his filter and see how much time he spends talking about me. .:Hearthstone Mafia (town damdred/town gb) http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/469686-hearthstone-mafia?user=Damdred&page=8+ Show Spoiler +On November 02 2014 00:45 Damdred wrote: because i hate lynching the biggest filter on d2 just like on d1 its just a bad idea generally.
GB we've been over your meta a lot, you are more standoffish as scum and you are fluff make promises that you don't keep and when you do its just bad. Right now you have 2/3 scum traits right now. So if i had a gun i might shoot you but i don't. On November 02 2014 07:56 Damdred wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2014 07:55 Blazinghand wrote:On November 02 2014 04:10 Damdred wrote:On November 02 2014 04:09 GlowingBear wrote: I'm not talking anymore. If you guys don't lynch damdred I won't play this game anymore, so you should lynch me. Bye. what the literal fuck.... i'm claiming a blue power role and this is the response? I post my notes though ve mad about redacting and this is what you do. Good job gb is a good lynch then I don't mind the help, Damdred, but you 100% have to explain in detail your thought process between here: On November 02 2014 03:31 Damdred wrote: Sure, i'm up for lynch and in a 9 hour time frame I doubt I could put out enough content especially when a lot of the other people who look scummy to me are somewhat policy lynches in the case of miser, GB shouldn't be lynched today due to the fact of the biggest filter though still hasn't done anything they promised so theres that, and i'm trying to bounce ideas about jrkirby to get feedback while i'm writing my case.
So I really don't want to die as a power role i doubt i get nk'd because i'm a horrible towny, so its just lynch i have to avoid. And Here: On November 02 2014 04:06 Damdred wrote: sorry ve, i was just trying not to make thread cluttered if i messed up spoiler tag,
GB won't even consider not lynching a power role zzzzz, at least ve is showing decent paranoia about my claim instead of just lynch damdred no matter what. GB is probably the mafia here And it's gotta be better than "GB doesn't blindly believe my claim" It's meta reasoning, GB is playing towards his scum meta of making promises never delivering tunneling on one person and being very passive. I was scared to lynch into a big filter and I really still am. First post: Says I'm scum for meta things. Admits we have been over my meta for a long long time. Second post: again, scum reads me for meta. Has a clear distinct meta thingy on me. AGAIN, main topic of his early filter is me. .: Russia Today Mini Mafia (town damdred/town gb) http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/471815-russia-today-mini-mafia?user=Damdred&page=2+ Show Spoiler + On November 28 2014 12:29 Damdred wrote: I'm pretty much caught up I won't go into my town reads but I have a good many of them this time around.
GB- Overall GBs game has been lacking, entrance to the thread was strange for GB had a really try hard air to it which is strange for GB. Does not seem to have a firm direction in the way hes pushing things for the most part, but some thoughts seem to be their and the frustration which he answers a lot of the claims really appears to be real (thats a null trait). Leaning scum on GB but i'm not as confident lynching GB today as the response to Superbia actually looks ok and the small bit of paranoia GB has towards some of the other players look real.
Sent- I would probably settle on a sent lynch today right now, I cannot remember anything from the 4x pages of game besides sent talking about turtling up for the day. Nothing memorable besides a pressure on my slot.
Sno- Frustration seems real, overall lacking day is very different from the last game I played with him (Neat and tidy mafia) was able to give reads even though he was unfamiliar with meta and tried to really help town out. Doesnt really show that here.
Overall i'm more in favor of a sent lynch as he is possibly the least memorable person in the thread On November 28 2014 13:12 Damdred wrote: You can check with this host if he has a problem, I personally don't care as long as the flip happens since then my play is public knowledge.
I chose you sno and GB. GB has played oddly by his standards but has a few staples of his town play.
Sno reacted strangely to pressure but seemed genuinely frustrated at the way he was being read and treated by some players.
You on the other hand sent have taken almost no pressure becaue you have steered clear of almost everything and turned most of everything into a joke. Its not so much that you have been absent from the thread for the first 24 hours, its clear from your filter that you were here during some of the decent moments during the thread, but you didn't give your opinons on them and you seemed pretty wishy washy, you still haven't given reads besides pressuring elvis which you have now retreated on and we stiill have no idea what you found out from the pressure.
Why aren't you still pressuring? You can't have gained much insight into my alignment and its pretty obvious that you disagreed with what I came up with and view it was easy lynches perhaps? So why not keep pressuring me instead of retreating? On November 29 2014 00:08 Damdred wrote: Screw you JAT no reason to be snarky at me at this point.
@Marv, I'm not sure sno is acting strange but he's said some things I've remembered I think. Sent has kept his hands clean and even though he's been back in the thread he's avoided mu questions to him about his vote. There's a ton more games on me to read so he could get some hood evidence.
though GB becomes a better lynch as his case does not materialize On November 29 2014 00:38 Damdred wrote:Show nested quote +On November 29 2014 00:11 marvellosity wrote: it's just a little weird, damdred, that you use meta when talking about sn0 (and others i think) but not at all on the main person you're pushing I'm not really sure I agree, sno is weird in thread and is totally different from last time I played, just not sure he is the lynch today idk. So is GB but there are a few posts and a missing case that drives gbs scumminess for me currently rather than meta. don't think I've played with sent I just think how sent is going about today is scummy. On November 29 2014 00:42 Damdred wrote: Spent most time on GB because I'm most familiar with GB probably. I'm more null for you jat but you would rather lynch me? On November 29 2014 00:59 Damdred wrote: GB is more likely town than scum after that case probably On November 29 2014 04:20 Damdred wrote:Show nested quote +On November 29 2014 03:55 Holyflare wrote: Damd I want you off the top of your head to explain why you think gb is town. Like fully explain as much as you can without checking his posts. Struggles with getting across complex ideas and generally looks meh doing it at times which is generally towny of GB. Does what he promises instead of excuses and foes after a hard target in Marv instead of an easy target he could of picked. Seems to believe everything he says. First post: a very strong meta thing on me. Second post: gut feelings/meta thing on me. THIRD AND FOURTH POST (IMPORTANT): scumread me for meta (he is scum if his promised case doesn't materialize). FIFTH POST: admits he is familiar with my gameplay and, therefore, spends more time with me.SIXTH POST: META ME AS TOWN BECAUSE I'VE DELIVERED A CASE. SEVENTH POST: SHOWS WHAT HE BELIEVES IS A TOWNTELL FROM ME I'm gonna stop on Russia Minimafia because it alone is very damning. Also, remember that Russia was AFTER Hearthstone, a game where damdred said he stopped making meta reads on me because he was wrong on me, WHAT IS EXTREME BULLSHIT SINCE HE META'ED ME A LOT ON RUSSIA MINIMAFIA. As ever, he spends a lot of time having me as the main topic. TL;DR = read only Russia Minimafia part I also want you to look at how his thoughts are clear in these games and how contributive he is to the thread, a very different behaviour from him regarding this game. A couple of Damdred's town posts that I have never, ever seen in this game below: + Show Spoiler + On November 02 2014 00:36 Damdred wrote:If you want reasons behind my reads i'm more than happy to give my reasons, generally if you ask me for something I do it. GB asked for the reads laughed them off. Jay is a good townread I think currently, Overall his posts seem to have a clear direction in them with a clear thought pattern that town generally has. He starts the game off with Its a strange opening, but he does not stop at that he explains himself in what appears to be a concise manner. Show nested quote +On October 31 2014 11:29 jaybrundage wrote: @holyflare I don't like day one because I struggle with having no concrete information.
Votes for me already? I love it :D DO TELL?
WHY WOULD YOU EVER VOTE FOR ME? He also sees pressure votes piling up on him and welcomes them just asking why they are that way. He doesn't freak out about the votes, he wants to know why though. Show nested quote +On October 31 2014 13:43 jaybrundage wrote:I dont know about GB, I think he called out someones first post in a dumb way. First post they don't say anything besides nothing suspicious. And he said why post if you dont have anything to say and you dont wanna joke around. My response to that would be it's super early in the day people post because there is nothing else to do. They post for the hell of it till they think they see something scummy and they scumhunt. Oh and just so no one gets confused I just liked VE's post cause VE is awesome and he said Stay tuned for more simplistic insights with VE. God I love this guy XD I hadn't looked into GB before then. The pressure has moved off of him, but he continues to help the thread and posts like this seem to have a clear thought pattern behind them. He is really logical about how he approaches things and seems to be coming from a town mindset hes not looking to gang up on people in his filter (or thread). He is generally replying to everything asked of him and giving his thoughts about what is going on. I'll give a few examples of that now some of it is policy talk which is really safe but Show nested quote +On October 31 2014 13:59 jaybrundage wrote: Wait guys I just had an idea what if Mr.Bigglesworth is actually part of Kulthazard as a third party. Who's job is to eliminate the horde cause in that case we should never give votes to the cat. As it can't help us find scum. As horde is not indicative of Mafia Alignment. (crazy theory lololol) Show nested quote +On October 31 2014 14:13 jaybrundage wrote:On October 31 2014 14:08 ritoky wrote:On October 31 2014 14:03 jaybrundage wrote:On October 31 2014 13:58 GlowingBear wrote:On October 31 2014 13:55 jaybrundage wrote:On October 31 2014 13:53 GlowingBear wrote:On October 31 2014 13:51 Oatsmaster wrote: I would analyse scum. british spelling.
GB, are you scum?
So, you think asking me if I'm scum is doing a better job than pointing out a bad entrance? C'mon oats. Would you prefer if that person hadn't posted then? Would that be more townie? Tell me the town motivation behind coming to the thread, summarizing a thread 2 pages long, downgrading his gameplay and bringing nothing contributive. It isn't even a conversation starter. You didn't answer my question You stated if they didnt wanna joke around why would they post. I would say cause people feel obligated to post on day 1 as there is nothing else to do. As for downgrading himself. I know i am not the next prodigy mafia player, palmar incarnate. I am a just an average mafia player that enjoys the game. Who cares if someone knows they aren't great. I think people say that ts a scum tell but i never feel like scum actually use it. You are on about some really arbitrary, nitpicking stuff imo. I am not a fan. There's a difference between knowing you're not great; and first posts advertising how not great you are. I'm trying to get people to post about there reasoning and to post more so i can get a better read on them. The faster there is substance in the thread. The faster real analyzing can happen. By me "nitpicking" hopefully you can also get a better read on me as well as GB. Who is my nit...pickeded XD (really like this post) He also calls out hf for what he sees a shit flinging. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/469686-hearthstone-mafia?page=25#483http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/469686-hearthstone-mafia?page=27#538He actually pressures a good many people in the thread and draws attention to himself through it, with the hf, the lord tolkien, puts some pressure on gb Show nested quote +On November 01 2014 13:41 jaybrundage wrote: Obi I thought you were gonna come back and talk about stuff. Shoot. Who's your scum read?
@ Liancourt. I noticed that you seem to comment on a lot of things and often ask questions. Liking it so far. I am not sure who your top scum read is tho. Do you have anyone picked out?
I would ideally like to get each person to set up a position on who they would like to lynch. The day is half over, What would suck is if at the end of the day we have people with poorly defined positions who just can pile on any bandwagon with little reasoning and because of that let scum influence the lynch.
I'm not posting this just to try to give scum a hard time. Townies do this shit too and it makes it harder to sift thru the drivel after a lynch. he is digging for thoughts into people so that he can get better reads and get the thread involved. So overall, he seems to be coming from a towny mindset. Hes looking for information gives his thoughts pretty freely and is doing things. He shouldn't be a lynch today and unless he takes a nose dive or some form of red check confirmed hes in my town pile pretty heavily. On August 20 2014 00:41 Damdred wrote:Show nested quote +On August 20 2014 00:35 Xatalos wrote:On August 20 2014 00:24 Oatsmaster wrote: Seriously nobody is looking into damdred as possible scum? ? ?
Xata, what changed your mind?
He may be scum, I just don't like lynching him right now as much as before. He reacted to pressure by posting a lot of original content and participating in the discussion - granted, it was in large part about townreading me, so maybe I'm a bit biased. At least I think his thoughts regarding me were correct. What I don't like is how he just casually threw some suspicion on GB and didn't really pursue the issue himself. Are you serious right here? here are the posts where i pursued the issue with GB Show nested quote +On August 19 2014 01:38 Damdred wrote: GB, while i agree its weird that Rob is lurking and spamming he thread like he normally would he did explain that his work blocked the webpages and he will be able to be more critical when he is at home. I want to give him that chance, because it is weird having a non spammy rob.
But its not alignment indicative also. Also GB do you really think Rob is the best vote today? Show nested quote +On August 19 2014 01:57 Damdred wrote:On August 19 2014 01:46 GlowingBear wrote:On August 19 2014 01:38 Damdred wrote: GB, while i agree its weird that Rob is lurking and spamming he thread like he normally would he did explain that his work blocked the webpages and he will be able to be more critical when he is at home. I want to give him that chance, because it is weird having a non spammy rob.
But its not alignment indicative also. Also GB do you really think Rob is the best vote today? I think Robik is the best vote now, for the reasons I've brought. I don't like Yamato and gprit lurking as well. Actually your case draws strength from rob not being rob like atleast thats what it seems. Rob pointing out a scummy post by you doesn't show that hes scummy infact he wasn't the first person really to draw attention your way, and hes told the thread about his posting issues so I really don't think you have a case. Show nested quote +On August 19 2014 02:11 Damdred wrote:On August 19 2014 02:03 GlowingBear wrote:On August 19 2014 01:57 Damdred wrote:On August 19 2014 01:46 GlowingBear wrote:On August 19 2014 01:38 Damdred wrote: GB, while i agree its weird that Rob is lurking and spamming he thread like he normally would he did explain that his work blocked the webpages and he will be able to be more critical when he is at home. I want to give him that chance, because it is weird having a non spammy rob.
But its not alignment indicative also. Also GB do you really think Rob is the best vote today? I think Robik is the best vote now, for the reasons I've brought. I don't like Yamato and gprit lurking as well. Actually your case draws strength from rob not being rob like atleast thats what it seems. Rob pointing out a scummy post by you doesn't show that hes scummy infact he wasn't the first person really to draw attention your way, and hes told the thread about his posting issues so I really don't think you have a case. You're the first wagon. If you say you're town and if you believe Robik isn't mafia, who is? It doesn't matter who the first wagon is honestly either you think i'm town or you don't. I didn't say Rob wasn't mafia I said your case was anon case and you should give him time to get home and be more critical to see if he acts normal or not. I'd say from his limited postings I don't see a lot of anything scummy about what he has posted. Right now it's hard for me to ignore Yamato since he hasn't posted, but its still early in day one and certain people haven't posted at all. There just is not a lot to go on, got a few town leans right now, and you seem weird to me right now GB. You have thrown suspicion on several players, and when some pressure was added to you, you honestly threw some more suspicion and left the thread/lurked until recently when you decided to jump on Rob. Just is weird for you right now Show nested quote +On August 19 2014 03:32 Damdred wrote: Right now you have two wagons GB, Rob and Damdred (go me),
To me neither wagon seems really strong one is based off of a sorta meta read where rob isn't being his normal rob self, he explained it well before you posted that his work blocked websites and hes slower than normal and not able to play as critically as when hes at home, yet you vote for him (granted i been playing in a lot of IML games so votes don't have as big of impact). You use the same excuse as Rob does that you can't post as much or quote as much since you are on the phone most of the time and you find him lurky. Neither of these reasons seem really hard enough for a vote or a good case. If someone else gave this case GB would you find it a good enough case to vote for?
Your Damdred case (or case on me XD) revolves around one of my first posts that I made shortly after getting off a long shift. I rightfully got attacked on it. This case is better than Robs case that it is a weird post but it seems to neglect a lot of the content that came after the day 1 start. Looking at the day and how its went and participation would you vote for this case over rob?
Would you vote for either of these cases or would you look elsewhere or at the person presenting the cases GB? To me neither case makes much sense and just feels like flinging stuff until you find something that sticks. And I don't like it don't like it at all. Also you cast some doubt on ray and its a good tactic mafia would use to distance themselves from the ray kill, so even though Xat would say why would they do this I can see it. Show nested quote +On August 19 2014 03:33 Damdred wrote: Also gb i forgot to ask whats up with the lurkers? Almost everyone has commented on them and of course I don't want them to lurk and nobody does since we can't get good reads and it will make lylo really hard if one of them makes it Why are you lying on me Xata? There was NOTHING casual about this I went after GB and didn't stop and GB eventually left the thread and came back today....why are you saying things like this On August 20 2014 01:30 Damdred wrote:I don't like Geript at this time and i'm pretty sure a lot of what hes doing is mafia oriented. Show nested quote +On August 19 2014 04:58 geript wrote:On August 18 2014 08:31 GlowingBear wrote:On August 18 2014 08:20 Xatalos wrote:I hope he is and makes a mistake He may not be the shitty witch, but I don't like that he started doing jokes about roles night0. Sounds like mafia trying to talk about blue roles and making it easier to the shitty witch to use his power. easiest post to make every scum pile. On August 18 2014 08:51 Xatalos wrote:On August 18 2014 08:45 GlowingBear wrote:On August 18 2014 08:37 Xatalos wrote:On August 18 2014 08:31 GlowingBear wrote:On August 18 2014 08:20 Xatalos wrote:I hope he is and makes a mistake He may not be the shitty witch, but I don't like that he started doing jokes about roles night0. Sounds like mafia trying to talk about blue roles and making it easier to the shitty witch to use his power. Hm. I guess it would be best to be as silent as possible about our roles until N0 is over. Dunno what would be the point of that check thingy. Possibly scum-motivated, or just bored. Rayn could be town trying to take a bullet, but that's dumb, and Rayn is a good player. Being bored isn't an excuse. You gotta admit it is at least suspicious. I think the purpose of that stunt would be rather to survive than to take a bullet as town. What Cop would joke about checks during N0? Or then he did that exactly because of that (WIFOM WIFOM). Anyways, it could be just to mess up with the scumteam. I did something similar in a N0 game earlier as town. So I don't really see it as exactly "suspicious", more like potentially scum-motivated, maybe without any real motivation or town-motivated in a convoluted way? talking more about wifom double scumpile On August 18 2014 11:34 yamato77 wrote: rayn thinks fakeclaiming is good, lol yam being yam, scumpile On August 18 2014 11:40 Tehpoofter wrote:On August 18 2014 11:34 yamato77 wrote: rayn thinks fakeclaiming is good, lol This comment is scummy. banks being banks, scumpile On August 18 2014 13:34 IAmRobik wrote:On August 18 2014 13:27 yamato77 wrote: robik agreeing with me is scummy LOL I thought oats was town. I remember you calling oats town, so I said that you were right about him being town. That's not weird at all. That's called reading the game and coming to a conclusion that is similar to someone else's LOL it's kinda odd. I usually have a very hard time reading robik. maybe the time away has let me clear my head a bit, but i get good feels off of this post. There's the combination of sincerity and arrogance that I expect from robik. townpile for now On August 18 2014 15:27 raynpelikoneet wrote: Well Xatalos didn't say he thinks i am mafia but his posting implies talking about roles is dumb (which it is) and then he does nothing but that. I really disagree with you here. I get that you don't like his posts; I'm not particularly fond of them either; he's on my to read list. But this is usually what I see from town. On August 18 2014 19:42 raynpelikoneet wrote: I don't agree with your yamato read. Obviously.
I agree with poofer although i do not remember if he usually plays at the start of the game or not because here he sure isn't.
I am pretty sure Damdred is mafia. His post about me & GB and his read on yamato doesn't really make any sense. That's pretty much all he has said.
Oats feels too laid back. It is strange. I haven't played with him in ages so i guess time will tell. Sure worth keeping eye on. I didn't like how he agreed with my post on Damdred but didn't push Damdred about it (as he implied he figured out same stuff i did). That's not town!Oats'y imo.
Your read on me is BS - you can't say what you did in the first place because i can't possibly comment on it in any way. <3 On August 18 2014 20:01 Palmar wrote:Day 1raynpelikoneet the cop is dead Deadline is Tuesday, Aug 19 11:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00) Any vote cast after 22:59 GMT (+00:00) will not be counted. </3 On August 18 2014 23:03 Damdred wrote:On August 18 2014 22:46 Oatsmaster wrote:Man I dont understand this part at all Damdred. also just by reading the thread it looks like Xatalos would have the biggest filter day one so even if I did feel hes scummy I wouldn't push a lynch on him at this point its more town xat. Why big filter = town and why wont you push him if you think he is scummy regardless of his filter? buddy much? Town Xatalos posts a lot and posts whatever hes thinking whenever in my experience with him. His filter size shows if hes being towny. And what i've noticed hes been pretty open about his reads and opinions isn't scared to be wrong and always tries to explain his thought process. And generally its always a bad idea to lynch into the people with the biggest filters day one normally they aren't mafia, if his play tapers off and he starts to lurk i'll rethink it but i don't think hes a good lynch for day one at all. And Xat it did feel like you were just sheeping what Ray was saying at first but looking back over the thread I thought it was pretty consitant with what you been saying. So it was probably more of a reaction to being called mafia at this point, so yea i'm pretty town on you right now. When I read this post it's a pretty odd post. It's what I usually see from scum over explaining thing. On August 19 2014 01:45 IAmRobik wrote: Well that explains a lot I don't remember why I highlighted this quote, maybe i'll remember later. On August 19 2014 01:57 Damdred wrote:On August 19 2014 01:46 GlowingBear wrote:On August 19 2014 01:38 Damdred wrote: GB, while i agree its weird that Rob is lurking and spamming he thread like he normally would he did explain that his work blocked the webpages and he will be able to be more critical when he is at home. I want to give him that chance, because it is weird having a non spammy rob.
But its not alignment indicative also. Also GB do you really think Rob is the best vote today? I think Robik is the best vote now, for the reasons I've brought. I don't like Yamato and gprit lurking as well. Actually your case draws strength from rob not being rob like atleast thats what it seems. Rob pointing out a scummy post by you doesn't show that hes scummy infact he wasn't the first person really to draw attention your way, and hes told the thread about his posting issues so I really don't think you have a case. Foul: Playing from sidelindsOn August 19 2014 03:44 yamato77 wrote: Oats and Xata are probably town fuck Ok so his first real post in the thread is a list post, it looks big and good but a lot of it is no analysis really or spotty analysis at best. Also him pulling my post that he says is odd is strange its not my most scummy post by far up to this point oats got me on that one. Subsequently he has little follow up with a lot of this and some of these posts aren't as scummy in context as they appear. Show nested quote +On August 19 2014 05:14 geript wrote:On August 19 2014 05:07 Xatalos wrote: So geript, both yamato and me ended up in your scumpile but disappeared by your following post? Or we two are just lesser reads? yam is always scum. wasn't really look for scum but for who's town. Rayn's post actually had me rethinking about you and the more you posted the more I liked. Actually i'm really confused now all of this ray town read Xata when all he said about xata was or his most recent posting before death Show nested quote +On August 18 2014 19:06 raynpelikoneet wrote: Should be ending now.
scum: Damdred, idk... fishy: Oats (because he is making sense), Xatalos (i would expect more from him so far) town: GB, yamato dunno: Robik, geript so i'm not understanding why rays posting would have him rethinking his scum read when he generally trusts rays reads...its just strange and implies that ray townread xata more of this later Show nested quote +On August 19 2014 13:39 geript wrote:Since I'm finally home, I'll explain a few points on poofy: 1. The timing thing. Whether or not I'm right on what Marv saw is beside the point. Banks flat out stated he thought he knew what the timing thing was and is trying to emulate his town play. Who the fuck tries to emulate their town play as town???? 2. Banks has only pushed me as mafia when he's mafia. He also very much tends to do it at Lylo or right before Lylo. This is classic scum banks. 3. Banks fucking loves to wifom fake claim as town. He has like 2 posts about being cop after Rayn did it and nothing else. He's not playing for that fun factor at all which is super scummy for him. 4. He has no interest whatsoever in actually finding town. Rather he's focus on asking questions and doing jack shit until he actually picked up suspicion. EZPZ is scum would lynch A s for GB, he's struggled to post. He had a pretty worthless entrance and then there was this gem of a post:On August 18 2014 10:43 GlowingBear wrote:On August 18 2014 10:33 Tehpoofter wrote: I want it to be day 1 already lol. I feel like n0 is going insanely slow. Maybe because Palmar started it so late for the Euros but I want to get this shit going!! I also want to get this going but I have no idea how to start a trend. I've brought suspicions on Rayn but people dropped it fast so... Yeah. This is really odd. He's lost as to what he can do as town? Did he forget he could reread or go through filters? Like that's super scummy. Plus he reads me as super town but has no clue about my reads on people. Wtf? On Dandruff. Rayn had the scumread on him and Rayn's reads early are quite good. His read on Xat was super early and almost mystical; too good for when it came. And as he progressed he softened the read from town to maybe town to more likely to be town but like 55%. How essentially detatched and idk "plAying nice" he's being rubs me the wrong way. Plus it's weird that he's able to find town reads on people but that doesn't push him to think: "if these people (Xat/Oats) are town, then the three scum must be in those other 5 so let me look at them closely." I'm going to ignore the part about me here people can disect it if they want. I want to talk about GB first I really feel like the post he quotes isn't scummy at all for what was going on in the thread at the time and it could be taken out of context and shown as scummy. And he claims to trust rays reads....but ray had GB as town hrm. Point three about poof just doesn't make sense, and i'd rather him not be hunting for town. He should be hunting for scum. I hate this stupd stupid stupid timing read meta shit that he keeps bringing up its crappy and honestly stupid. Its not indicative of mafia or town at all and him claiming poof said he was trying to emulate his town game is just...honestly a lie or a misinterpretation of what poof actually said since he was talking about two seperate games he played with marv when explaining what this shit was to me. And then he continues to spout it to gain poof lynch support. Show nested quote +On August 19 2014 23:59 geript wrote:On August 19 2014 23:54 GlowingBear wrote:On August 19 2014 23:52 Xatalos wrote:On August 19 2014 23:34 geript wrote:On August 18 2014 20:01 Palmar wrote:Day 1raynpelikoneet the cop is dead Deadline is Tuesday, Aug 19 11:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00) Any vote cast after 22:59 GMT (+00:00) will not be counted. Xat's right. Like 9 hours to go and it's like 1-1-1 or something. No lynch is not an option here. I'll consolidate on any of Dandruff, poofter or Giggles (but either of the latter is preferable). Get your shit together people. It's plurality lynch though so consolidation isn't as crucial. In fact it might be better to have 2 competing wagons, like GB/Tehpoofter. That would provide more info. At the moment I'm leaning slightly more on GB since Tehpoofter feels so similar to his last towngame (even that marry/bang post is pretty identical to that game haha - although maybe he posted that since I was looking at his earlier game...). Why do you scumread me and poof, exactly? Why exactly does it matter? Of course yoru reads on why you scum read people matter, or in this case have an illusion of scum reading people where you take stuff out of context to make them look scummy lie about what people actually say to make them look scummy and have people spouting off he gave good reads....he hasn't done jack shit but just has the appearance of it. VOTE DAMDRED FOR GREAT JUSTICE! GB, I'm going to be honest here, I'd like to see less about Damdred's tendency to meta-read you (cause I'm having trouble following it) and more about his play overall to be sold on a Damdred lynch. I will say though that a town Damdred (unless he's just in a meh phase) tends to have a lot more thread presence. His read progression on you wasn't something that I easily followed, and my kneejerk reaction to not want to lynch you and hesitate on LM is I'm not certain on Damdy. This post is kind of giving me an OMGUS vibe. Do you have anything else?
Tell me what's wrong in my case. Tell me why I could be wrong.
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Yes, that's all You need more evidence than that????
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On January 19 2015 04:28 geript wrote:Show nested quote +On January 19 2015 04:21 GlowingBear wrote:On January 19 2015 04:19 geript wrote: ##vote glowingbear The PoE hasn't really changed. LM, GB, JJB, Trfel and Shining are all decent lynches imo. If expect to see someone add good reasons if the want to lynch WW, Breshke or Trfel. I feel a lot like DP. There's not a really strong leader in the pack for me. That said, GB showing he has no intention of posting or thinking reasonably earns my vote. LM I'm kinda unsure what to do with because he feels so disjoint, but I kinda like the reasons for the Breshke read but... Idk it's such an easy thing to push. Not thinking reasonably you say? After all the thoughts I've put in this thread and after what I've just brought from damdred? Uh huh. So you've brought 1 thought that I think is wrong to the thread. Do you want me to bury the squirrel and scratch your head. I've been through your filter multiple times. There's not one good thought in it.
Uh huh.
Who's town then and why?
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The case on damdred is this, Rasputin:
Town reads me from time to time Says he can lunch me today, although not sure.
Makes no sense.
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On January 19 2015 04:35 geript wrote:Show nested quote +On January 19 2015 04:33 GlowingBear wrote:On January 19 2015 04:28 geript wrote:On January 19 2015 04:21 GlowingBear wrote:On January 19 2015 04:19 geript wrote: ##vote glowingbear The PoE hasn't really changed. LM, GB, JJB, Trfel and Shining are all decent lynches imo. If expect to see someone add good reasons if the want to lynch WW, Breshke or Trfel. I feel a lot like DP. There's not a really strong leader in the pack for me. That said, GB showing he has no intention of posting or thinking reasonably earns my vote. LM I'm kinda unsure what to do with because he feels so disjoint, but I kinda like the reasons for the Breshke read but... Idk it's such an easy thing to push. Not thinking reasonably you say? After all the thoughts I've put in this thread and after what I've just brought from damdred? Uh huh. So you've brought 1 thought that I think is wrong to the thread. Do you want me to bury the squirrel and scratch your head. I've been through your filter multiple times. There's not one good thought in it. Uh huh. Who's town then and why? People. Reasons. I'm sure there's no possible way you could ever read my 8 page filter. Sorry for making the game so hard to read.
You're actually making this game pretty easy to win.
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On January 19 2015 04:42 Damdred wrote: GB your case is bad it's ok.
My case is spot on
SPOT ON
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On January 19 2015 04:53 Damdred wrote: I've said it twice at least, he's boring before now and usually GB isn't boring.
That's mean
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On January 19 2015 05:14 geript wrote: Also, the fact that GB thinks that I could even possibly be scum is rather amusing. Amusing in the generally mafia way.
Funny, I could say the same thing about you.
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On January 19 2015 05:23 Breshke wrote: GB if damdred wadsnt an option who would you go for?
Geript and, if not possible, is have to decide between you and the shining
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I can't believe in a fucking wagon on day1 Fucking incredible
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On January 19 2015 05:28 Breshke wrote:Show nested quote +On January 19 2015 05:26 GlowingBear wrote:On January 19 2015 05:23 Breshke wrote: GB if damdred wadsnt an option who would you go for? Geript and, if not possible, is have to decide between you and the shining Is me and the shining based of being two or the lurkier people or do you find us scummy?
Yes I forgot about LS too. I feel like I could lynch him.
Not war waffle, his stance on me seems genuine.
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By yes I mean being lurking
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The problem is, we don't have people lurking that much. A policy isn't well placed anymore
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On January 19 2015 05:30 Breshke wrote: Also GB what do you think of jarjar?
Sounds like newbie town to me.
His opening was awful but his posting seems genuine.
By the way, Breshke, I like the questions you're making and I'm ready to say that you shouldn't be lynched day1
One thing that bothers me is people saying that LS is unlynchable day1. Why's that?
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On January 19 2015 05:35 rsoultin wrote: I'm getting more and more okay with a geript lynch.
Be okay with a Damdred lynch.
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By the way I want EVERY SINGLE PERSON to read what I wrote on Damdred and give thoughts. It's pretty damning to me.
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Jar jar Who is scum and why?
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On January 19 2015 05:43 DarthPunk wrote: Glowing bear your case on Damdred is exceedingly average. Like he says he might be ok to lynch you but that it is doubtful.
Like the crux of the argument is that damdred should not change his mind about his town read on you based on his solid grasop of your meta and to prove his grasp on your meta you link your post about his meta. Sure it shows you have played together a lot, but that doesn't mean he has to be scum to change his mind.
Glowingbear what happened to your vote on Geript and what do you think of damdred refusing to read my filter?
DP, the quotation isn't an evolution of his townread on me.
Here is the thing: if you have a townread, you can't be up to lynch him day1. EVER. His read didn't change. He stated I'm town right after the thing about lynching me.
From a town perspective, being on with lunching me can NEVER cross his mind if his reads didn't change. And it didn't. He also couldn't change his reads because he gave that statement without any new posts by me.
If you check the huge meta case I've put in spoilers, damdred has distinct town tells regarding me. He isn't using them here to call me town (unless going against lurkers, which I'm actually NOT doing since I've voted geript). He's just saying "oh GB is town because of this, he is town because of this yadda yadda). BULLSHIT.
He had a townread on me because of my reaction to vote him after someone called him out. That reaction is null. There is nothing alignment indicative there.
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On and my vote on geript was gone because I saw damdred. I voted him because I think he jumped the scumreading wagon on me having no reasons to do so. I've answered it to you, though.
But I find the thing on damdred more compelling.
I don't think that damdred not reading your filter is alignment indicative though.
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On January 19 2015 05:54 jarjarbinks wrote:You could convince me that damdred is scum with a slightly better argument. I don't know him. I don't know why he answered mine and now DP's questions about not reading DP's filter. Being a little wish-washy on you probably isn't enough for my vote though. I think that's why you asked this question.
No, my question was to know who are your scumreads because we are close to the deadline. You should be convinced that someone is scum right now.
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On January 19 2015 05:56 DarthPunk wrote: Yeah that makes sense I guess GB.
Like it's not particularly convincing but It's not incorrect either.
I can't find a better argument on day1, honestly.
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On January 19 2015 05:56 Damdred wrote: I'm glad you asked me dp, I am lazy and think your obvious town. I don't see you being Scum nor a lynch so I'm ignoring your filter because I read you in thread as town.
Geript is pretty town, if he's alive after d2 and no roles claim he's pulling a Russian mafia but he looks super towny
LS is town based on hi a addiction to meta as town.
Jjb is mafia I think
See, he is townreading you without having a good grasp of your filter.
He is townreading LS for BS reason, c'mon.
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DP, scumreads at the moment?
Breshke, are you here?
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On January 19 2015 06:00 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On January 19 2015 05:59 GlowingBear wrote:On January 19 2015 05:56 Damdred wrote: I'm glad you asked me dp, I am lazy and think your obvious town. I don't see you being Scum nor a lynch so I'm ignoring your filter because I read you in thread as town.
Geript is pretty town, if he's alive after d2 and no roles claim he's pulling a Russian mafia but he looks super towny
LS is town based on hi a addiction to meta as town.
Jjb is mafia I think See, he is townreading you without having a good grasp of your filter. He is townreading LS for BS reason, c'mon. Well I AM obv town. And I am townreading LS for the same reason. What happened to your geript is mafia thing?
Damdred happened o.o
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On January 19 2015 06:04 The Shining wrote: GB - You said you were coming at lurkers. Since then, I've posted a read on you leaning scum and asked you why the LS BS meter comment was something worth mentioning when it is LS, a player who in my short experience experiences with him seems throw whatever is on his mind out there.
You haven't so much as acknowledged me since except to say if you can't lynch Damdred, you want to push the lurkers in Breshke or myself. Why am I not seeing any pressure to do so? You voted Breshke but didnt respond to who addressed you directly. Instead, you made a weak case IMO against Damdred who has repeatedly said he is meh and burnt out. I'm not sure how much credit I want to give Damdred for those excuses but he did mention to me when he coached me last game that he was burning out. He also mentioned it when he convinced me to sign up for this game. I'm not fully buying it yet but in a scenario where you are scum and he is town, it seems like easy pickings to pick on a Town you've played with before, use meta as reasoning for him flip flopping on lynching you and take advantage of him not being as invested in the game as he could be.
I'm also burning out. And what question are you talking about? I may have not seen it.
If you think I'm not pressuring damdred enough, I don't know what to say.
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On January 19 2015 06:05 DarthPunk wrote:I find it kinda weird that after posting this: Show nested quote +On January 18 2015 21:59 GlowingBear wrote: ##Unvote ##Vote: geript
I love how you instantly scumread me after town-ish newbies starts scumreading me.
I bet you're mafia. Show nested quote +On January 18 2015 23:04 GlowingBear wrote:On January 18 2015 22:21 DarthPunk wrote: do you really think geript is mafia for suspecting you? because that seems super retarded.
It's pretty clear that I said he is mafia not because he is suspecting me, but because he started suspecting me just when town-ish newbies did so. As the veteran he is, it should be pretty clear to him that I'm not a good lynch today Glowingbear basically dropped his geript read out of nowhere to lynch damdred when he admits himself that damdred case is kinda weak and average. Show nested quote +On January 19 2015 05:57 GlowingBear wrote:On January 19 2015 05:56 DarthPunk wrote: Yeah that makes sense I guess GB.
Like it's not particularly convincing but It's not incorrect either. I can't find a better argument on day1, honestly. Show nested quote +On January 19 2015 06:02 GlowingBear wrote:On January 19 2015 06:00 DarthPunk wrote:On January 19 2015 05:59 GlowingBear wrote:On January 19 2015 05:56 Damdred wrote: I'm glad you asked me dp, I am lazy and think your obvious town. I don't see you being Scum nor a lynch so I'm ignoring your filter because I read you in thread as town.
Geript is pretty town, if he's alive after d2 and no roles claim he's pulling a Russian mafia but he looks super towny
LS is town based on hi a addiction to meta as town.
Jjb is mafia I think See, he is townreading you without having a good grasp of your filter. He is townreading LS for BS reason, c'mon. Well I AM obv town. And I am townreading LS for the same reason. What happened to your geript is mafia thing? Damdred happened o.o Yeah but that case is not so strong to completely drop calloing geript mafia (which is in itself a weird omgus vote cause geript is obv town.)
I'm sorry, I've never said the case was weak? I said I can't find a more compelling argument on day1 than the one I've brought about damdred?
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On January 19 2015 06:15 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On January 19 2015 06:13 GlowingBear wrote:On January 19 2015 06:05 DarthPunk wrote:I find it kinda weird that after posting this: On January 18 2015 21:59 GlowingBear wrote: ##Unvote ##Vote: geript
I love how you instantly scumread me after town-ish newbies starts scumreading me.
I bet you're mafia. On January 18 2015 23:04 GlowingBear wrote:On January 18 2015 22:21 DarthPunk wrote: do you really think geript is mafia for suspecting you? because that seems super retarded.
It's pretty clear that I said he is mafia not because he is suspecting me, but because he started suspecting me just when town-ish newbies did so. As the veteran he is, it should be pretty clear to him that I'm not a good lynch today Glowingbear basically dropped his geript read out of nowhere to lynch damdred when he admits himself that damdred case is kinda weak and average. On January 19 2015 05:57 GlowingBear wrote:On January 19 2015 05:56 DarthPunk wrote: Yeah that makes sense I guess GB.
Like it's not particularly convincing but It's not incorrect either. I can't find a better argument on day1, honestly. On January 19 2015 06:02 GlowingBear wrote:On January 19 2015 06:00 DarthPunk wrote:On January 19 2015 05:59 GlowingBear wrote:On January 19 2015 05:56 Damdred wrote: I'm glad you asked me dp, I am lazy and think your obvious town. I don't see you being Scum nor a lynch so I'm ignoring your filter because I read you in thread as town.
Geript is pretty town, if he's alive after d2 and no roles claim he's pulling a Russian mafia but he looks super towny
LS is town based on hi a addiction to meta as town.
Jjb is mafia I think See, he is townreading you without having a good grasp of your filter. He is townreading LS for BS reason, c'mon. Well I AM obv town. And I am townreading LS for the same reason. What happened to your geript is mafia thing? Damdred happened o.o Yeah but that case is not so strong to completely drop calloing geript mafia (which is in itself a weird omgus vote cause geript is obv town.) I'm sorry, I've never said the case was weak? I said I can't find a more compelling argument on day1 than the one I've brought about damdred? It's fucking scummy that you just stopped saying anything at all about your scum read geript after two posts trying to get him lynched.
HAHAHA DP ARE YOU FUCKING MAFIA?
If I have a stronger scumread on damdred, I'll vote him before voting geript. I was trying to pressure damdred before going to the case. He was late answering my questions.
Really DP. C'mon.
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On January 19 2015 05:56 DarthPunk wrote: Yeah that makes sense I guess GB.
Like it's not particularly convincing but It's not incorrect either.
What changed to make you to from this post to say my case is shitty?
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On January 19 2015 06:23 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On January 19 2015 06:20 GlowingBear wrote:On January 19 2015 06:15 DarthPunk wrote:On January 19 2015 06:13 GlowingBear wrote:On January 19 2015 06:05 DarthPunk wrote:I find it kinda weird that after posting this: On January 18 2015 21:59 GlowingBear wrote: ##Unvote ##Vote: geript
I love how you instantly scumread me after town-ish newbies starts scumreading me.
I bet you're mafia. On January 18 2015 23:04 GlowingBear wrote:On January 18 2015 22:21 DarthPunk wrote: do you really think geript is mafia for suspecting you? because that seems super retarded.
It's pretty clear that I said he is mafia not because he is suspecting me, but because he started suspecting me just when town-ish newbies did so. As the veteran he is, it should be pretty clear to him that I'm not a good lynch today Glowingbear basically dropped his geript read out of nowhere to lynch damdred when he admits himself that damdred case is kinda weak and average. On January 19 2015 05:57 GlowingBear wrote:On January 19 2015 05:56 DarthPunk wrote: Yeah that makes sense I guess GB.
Like it's not particularly convincing but It's not incorrect either. I can't find a better argument on day1, honestly. On January 19 2015 06:02 GlowingBear wrote:On January 19 2015 06:00 DarthPunk wrote:On January 19 2015 05:59 GlowingBear wrote:On January 19 2015 05:56 Damdred wrote: I'm glad you asked me dp, I am lazy and think your obvious town. I don't see you being Scum nor a lynch so I'm ignoring your filter because I read you in thread as town.
Geript is pretty town, if he's alive after d2 and no roles claim he's pulling a Russian mafia but he looks super towny
LS is town based on hi a addiction to meta as town.
Jjb is mafia I think See, he is townreading you without having a good grasp of your filter. He is townreading LS for BS reason, c'mon. Well I AM obv town. And I am townreading LS for the same reason. What happened to your geript is mafia thing? Damdred happened o.o Yeah but that case is not so strong to completely drop calloing geript mafia (which is in itself a weird omgus vote cause geript is obv town.) I'm sorry, I've never said the case was weak? I said I can't find a more compelling argument on day1 than the one I've brought about damdred? It's fucking scummy that you just stopped saying anything at all about your scum read geript after two posts trying to get him lynched. HAHAHA DP ARE YOU FUCKING MAFIA? If I have a stronger scumread on damdred, I'll vote him before voting geript. I was trying to pressure damdred before going to the case. He was late answering my questions. Really DP. C'mon. You really can;t push two people at once? If the vote on geript was for such whimsical reasons that you felt ok dropping it for THAT shitty case on damdred then you really didn;t believe that geript was mafia at all. Which begs the question: Why the FUCK are you trying to lynch him in the first place if you are town?!?!? I also find it amusing that everyone calling you scum is suddenly mafia. Including the two most obvious townies in the game.
This is a convoluted misrepresentation of my reads. A lot of people called me mafia and I didn't scumread them. I've called waffle town for that. But you, SPECIALLY YOU, coming with this SHIT against me, is FUCKING SCUMMY.
You said you would lynch Damdred before me than suddenly this SHIT.
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I DIDN'T ABANDON THE SCUMREAD ON GERIPT, I'VE JUST FOCUSED ON GETTING MY STRONGEST SCUMREAD LYNCHED.
WHAT THE ACTUAL FUCK!?!?!?
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##Unvote ##Vote: Jar Jar Binks
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Damdred is town for not voting to survive.
Jar jar binks is too wishy washy and doesn't have genuine scumreads. When pushed to tell us who his scumreads are, he said I should try to convince him damdred is mafia. Very dodgy.
DAMDRED IS TOWN
Have an eye open on DP and Geript.
Breshke is likely to be mafia but he is not up for the lynch today.
War waffle is most likely town.
Gg.
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On January 19 2015 06:35 Trfel wrote: At this point, GlowingBear is also looking like a better lynch than jarjar....
You can also suspect Trfel for this bullshit
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On January 19 2015 06:38 Damdred wrote: All a sudden GB realizes the truth.
I actually believe you're good enough as scum to know this would happen.
But I prefer to believe you're town.
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On January 19 2015 06:38 geript wrote: Why is WW town GB?
Because be was the first to scumread one of the most vocal players at the moment. There is no mafia motivation behind it.
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Jar jar is not set to be the lunch as I reached 3 votes first. CORRECT IT PLEASE.
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There are your scums showing their faces.
Lynch TheShining. Period.
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Lynch the Shining.
Lynch DP.
Don't lynch War Waffle.
GG.
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Lynch Trfel too.
Geript can be town.
Gg
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Damdred didn't try hard to dissuade the votes off of me so he's back to leaning scum.
:/
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A lesson to newbies:
Everytime a person risks their "life" to lynch a target or to save another, this person is most likely town.
I would be the lynch after I unvoted. Have this in mind.
Bye bye.
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On January 19 2015 06:49 DarthPunk wrote: Glowingbear if you are town this game I am blaming you for being shit.
You're always shit in every game. You can look town but you can't find mafia. Never. I don't even know why people talk that much about you.
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On January 19 2015 06:49 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On January 19 2015 06:47 GlowingBear wrote: Lynch Trfel too.
Geript can be town.
Gg So at this point you basically want everyone lynched? I just don't see how you can be town. In Carol, you spent a lot of time on Holyflare and you stuck with it. Here, you are scumreading everyone and changing without reason.
No, I want Shining, you and DP lynched. Then maybe damdred if he is still scummy and then geript.
These are my day1 reads, only.
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On January 19 2015 06:52 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On January 19 2015 06:50 GlowingBear wrote: A lesson to newbies:
Everytime a person risks their "life" to lynch a target or to save another, this person is most likely town.
I would be the lynch after I unvoted. Have this in mind.
Bye bye. Wait is this true? Cause that is a good point. Wait. But why would you lynch yourself to save your biggest scum read?
Because he didn't try to save himself.
Jar jar did.
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I'm not killing waffle.
Kill jar jar today.
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Or keep your votes on me.
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Ugh.
Jar jar will flip town.
I want to lynch DP.
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WAR WAFFLE IS TOWN WTFFFFF
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WHAT MORE DID YOU NEED TO UNDERSTAND THIS GUY IS TOWN FFS
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On January 19 2015 06:40 GlowingBear wrote:Because be was the first to scumread one of the most vocal players at the moment. There is no mafia motivation behind it.
On January 19 2015 06:40 GlowingBear wrote:Because be was the first to scumread one of the most vocal players at the moment. There is no mafia motivation behind it.
On January 19 2015 06:40 GlowingBear wrote:Because be was the first to scumread one of the most vocal players at the moment. There is no mafia motivation behind it.
On January 19 2015 06:40 GlowingBear wrote:Because be was the first to scumread one of the most vocal players at the moment. There is no mafia motivation behind it.
On January 19 2015 06:40 GlowingBear wrote:Because be was the first to scumread one of the most vocal players at the moment. There is no mafia motivation behind it.
On January 19 2015 06:40 GlowingBear wrote:Because be was the first to scumread one of the most vocal players at the moment. There is no mafia motivation behind it.
There are things that are this simple and requires no further explanation, geript.
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Can you link us to the guide you've read, jar jar?
I'm also gonna take a break because I'm furious with this thing.
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On January 19 2015 06:53 Trfel wrote: I could switch to TheWarWaffle. But not if it causes jarjarbinks to be lynched.
This is the one of the biggest proofs why Trfel is scum.
He didn't want to lynch Jar jar for being newbie but he was okay to lynch waffle who was also mislynched day1 in his previous game. You could never accept lynching war waffle.
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On January 19 2015 06:46 Trfel wrote: GlowingBear
Earlier in the game I brought up the disconnect between GlowingBear's thread comments and his reads. I asked several questions to him, and he answered all of them except for that one. It seems like he is trying to make it look like he is reading the thread and making reads, but the two aren't related together. I do like his post analysis, and I didn't mind his early reads, but the lack of unity was strange.
The post about coming after lurkers seems bad, and I don't see him doing much about lurkers at all. In fact, his reads have been all over the place. I wouldn't say that he has been really coming after anyone, but dropping his reads and making new reads. His push on geript strikes me as particularly strange. At this point, geript is coming across as pretty strongly town, so that makes no sense at all. He's basically scummed everyone at some point this game.
Like I said, his case on Damdred makes absolutely no sense. Especially when he retracted it and emphatically stated that Damdred is town for little apparent reason. GlowingBear has also been using a crazy amount of OMGUS this game. I don't like it at all.
##Unvote ##Vote: GlowingBear
This case on me is also convoluted and his vote on me only got traction when I was about to be mislynched.
His vote was BEFORE this case and a lot of things doesn't make me mafia. Specially the OMGUS part. OMGUS is more likely to be town paranoia than mafia behaviour. But the thing is: I was COMPLETELY tunnelled on Holyflare in Christmas Carol and I was town, and Trfel was there.
This guy is definetely mafia.
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On January 19 2015 07:17 Damdred wrote: Good find GB.
Shinings cote was horrible he said he was in between me and lm voting tried to hammer gb. And caught jarjar slip about the setup
This makes no sense at all, because he was between you and LM and you were scumreading LM right? But then, he voted me, who was scumreading you.
This guy really believe in busses or he is mafia.
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On January 19 2015 07:22 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On January 19 2015 07:16 GlowingBear wrote:On January 19 2015 06:53 Trfel wrote: I could switch to TheWarWaffle. But not if it causes jarjarbinks to be lynched. This is the one of the biggest proofs why Trfel is scum. He didn't want to lynch Jar jar for being newbie but he was okay to lynch waffle who was also mislynched day1 in his previous game. You could never accept lynching war waffle. I already explained why I wanted to lynch TheWarWaffle. I couldn't understand how he got his reads, his logic seemed terrible. I did not blame it on him being a newbie because last game I could follow his logic, and he showed some good thinking and more effort than this game. Meanwhile, jarjarbinks showed the exact opposite. He played much better on D1 this game than last game. Along with input from rsoultin, he looked like a poor lynch.
Terrible logic doesn't make him mafia. His aggressive stance on me makes him town.
In the other hand, Jar Jars reluctance to give scumreads was really suspicious. I thought he was genuine but after re reading his filter, he looked very passive.
Your defense on jar jar was you saying that he was new and played poorly the other newbie game. That's all!
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I think it's my pupil, damdy. He's very disinterested in the game IMO.
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On January 19 2015 07:43 The Shining wrote:Damdred + GB, how about you actually read my posts? GB this is now the 3rd time you've either ignored or misread one of my posts. Am I not making myself clear? My vote was and always has been between GB and LM. Why are you misrepresenting a statement that I said directly to you? Show nested quote +On January 19 2015 06:18 The Shining wrote: Damdred - I don't really like your last few posts either. GB brought a weak case against you and tried to push you and although you defended yourself, you went the extra step to say he is probably Town for this? You yourself said scum likes to paint townies as townies for free cred. You're also not sure who you want to lynch and haven't voted. I haven't, either, but I've already said I wanted to vote GB or LM. Are you just going to try to jump on the safest wagon?
I wanna give you benefit of the doubt but I'm not sure I can. I'll be even more suspicious of you if GB gets flipped Town today after you town him, with more than a few players scumreading him or questioning his play. The fact that you quickly Towned him after saying you might be able to lynch him was off. I told you why I thought it was off. Scum are the only ones who know alignments. But seriously, pretending I said I was in between you and LM when I never did? All I did was cast suspicion on you, which I only have more of now, because I was looking for a 3rd scum member. Do I have to point out the fact that you were townreading me up until I questioned you giving GB a pass for unexplained reads and a weak meta case against you? If he flips scum, I wouldn't be surprised if you did, too, and vice versa. Regardless, though, you didn't scum me until I started questioning you. Even went so far as to lie. I don't like it. JJ and GB parroting your thoughts on this make it worse, since 3 is an important number here. Are you telling me all 3 of you couldn't bother to check my 1 page filter and see that I was in between LM and GB, not LM and Damdred? It doesn't seem to be asking a lot.
Hammering me was bad. Really bad.
Unfortunately I lived.
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You switched your vote to me when you didn't have to. Why not trying to lynch your strongest scumread?
I still don't know which question you're talking about but fine, I'm gonna have dinner and comment every single post of your damn filter.
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On January 19 2015 09:32 Damdred wrote: Usually Scum wouldn't unvote and let themselves be the vote leader with a few minutes left.
^ I had no scum motive to Unvote damdred and let me be the leading lynch. Simple fact number 2.
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On January 18 2015 09:49 The Shining wrote: Fee Fi Fo Fum. Last night, I couldn't handle my rum. =/ Just gonna dive right into it because reading all of this at once has a bunch of thoughts screaming at me.
Geript - I'm right here and Post 3 needs to be another good one. I don't have much past experience to go on with Trfel openings, and even less with yours, but if more of your posts look like post 1 as opposed to 2, I could see you being Town. The first post was a lot of seemingly genuine analysis in the first post, with a bullet list of questions. However, if you're really sticking to 10 posts, I'm not sure I understand the reasoning in helping Town with your 2nd post. Even more of a waste of a post since half of it was wanting to double check a read on a modkilled player. Of course, you had no idea that would happen but I really wish there was more in that 2nd post. The 1st post did mention a possible association read? I think thats what its called. More thoughts to follow on that when I get to DP. Null leaning Town.
Damdred - Hey boo, sorry I'm late. FYI, I came into this game needing you to bleed town something unreal. You did way too good of a job in past games playing scum and misdirecting Town. That being said, it looks like your questioning is actually coming from a genuine place. I do want to point out that you've been straightforward with questioning a few people, from Cool to Tr. You're either really trying to figure out this game, or trying very hard to scattershot suspicion everywhere to seem contributive. The pressure on Trfel recently makes me think its the former. Slight Town lean.
LS - I lost track of how many times you used the words meta and meta reads in your filter. I understand there isn't much to go off of D1 but I at one point suspected you might not be able to scumread anyone else as scum yourself and decided to rely on someone slipping and doing something they did in a past game as scum so you can jump on that instead. The more I read through you, though, the more you convinced me you were scumhunting. Even though your posts can be a bit erratic and you sometimes backtrack on your own train of thoughts, you also did that in the last Newbie Mini as Town. You also seem pretty fearless in talking and responding to others, something scum would double and triple check before doing for fear of slipping. Slight Town.
RSo - Strong Town. I've played with her a bunch and her hitting the track running with questions and early pressure for Trfel's Geript vote fits perfectly with her Town meta. She very much so hit me the same way in Mini when I questioned if she was bluehunting. Also she is very transparent with her questions and suspicions and makes it clear she was questioning Trfels motives for the vote, not immediately scumming him. In my experience, Town is more careful about who to scumread and lynch in the fear of killing a blue.
JJB - That entrance is bad and you should feel bad. Lol jk but seriously, D1 lynch is most important in my opinion. You learn much more about who posted/voted during the day with a D1 lynch, as well as running a chance of an awesome D1 scum lynch. Otherwise, we have to hope for a Doc save, assuming we even have one, or we start D2 with minimal info and a NK that could be detrimental to Town winning. This brings me to my next point. Although at face value, the fact that you responded to why you thought the No lynch was a good idea seemed believable to me, it struck me as odd that you thought you didn't see a Cop/Doctor setup(setup A) and that sent you on a full Google search for Mafia strats and that's how you came up with the NL. Mate, couldn't you just check the OP and see at least one setup did in fact have a cop + doc? And in an open setup game, how sure can you be that any of the 3 setups is the one we're playing? The only way you'd know that is as scum. Was that a slip? The rest of your posts are responses and defenses to questions about your opening, and summaries. I could maybe be convinced to lynch but the fact that you are asking questions of Damdred as well as responding thinks you might deserve a Lil BoD for D1, at least. Suspicious, not really seeing Town, could lynch.
Trfel -
I like your read on geript, dislike your read on damdred, I'm indifferent to your read on LS, indifferent to your read on Rasputin, I've just realised you've caught a soft claim from jar jar that I didn't see and I don't like you pushing that. Although with the possibility of a medic, calling this guy out is not a good strategy as mafia.
On January 18 2015 13:01 The Shining wrote: Continuing my previous post:
Trfel - I don't know what to think of you from post to post. The early vote on Geript had me uneasy for the same reason I suspected ExO in my last game. Maybe it is a personal preference but early votes on Day 1 just dont feel right to me. You had nothing to go off of except a statement made pre-game. Had you just left it up until this point, I'd be even more skeptical but you unvoted. Because you finally started discussion or to try and get out of the spotlight? Regardless, I like the dialogue it has generated, as a lot of people commented on it, and as I read on, I feel I answered my own question, as you seem to have no problem staying in the spotlight, even after backing off Geript. I'm not convinced you're Town but you're talking and not shying away from questions. Not a good D1 lynch but null because nothing in particular about you is jumping out at me as town.
GB - Another null, but leaning scum. I don't know you and my first impression was this guy is drinking beer and on TL. Only a diehard townie would do such a thing. However, reading your filter showed me how wrong I might be. Numerous one liners, unexplained reads, going from questioning Trfels opening as his prior coach of his to "definitely Town." You keep going at the lurkers and although I do agree lurking and inactivity is suspicious, I also believe that if scum is actively posting, it would be low hanging fruit for them to push a quiet or inactive Townie. There is nothing clearly indicating to me whether you are scumhunting or mislynching. One of the only things I found myself agreeing with you on was LS's BS meter question being pointless and getting him nowhere. However, in past town games of his I dove and the last Newbie, he doesn't fear saying and asking what is on his mind, even something as trivial as that. If anything, it rings more towny to me that he is literally spewing out whatever on his mind as soon as it enters his mind, as a town coach told me to do this once upon a time. You apparently have played with LS before(correct me if I'm wrong) so I expected you would see this before I did. Unless you don't want to see it?
Also, the parallels drawn between you and Trfel's entrances by others don't sit well with me. I don't want to immediately sheep WW's reads on you 2 because I haven't fully looked into him yet but as of right now, without more meat from you(your last post that I'm aware of was asking DP for his reads, but you've only explained reads on LS and WW and a one liner about "Town" Damdred being inquisitive, please explain the rest of yours), I could be convinced to lynch you. You seem more interested in other people's reads now than explaining your own. You flipping scum would also make me lean that much more towards Trfel being scum.
Breshke and LM need a bigger thread presence. Leaving work in 2 minutes but when I get home, I'll be able to see what was posted and respond if I have to. I haven't refreshed since I posted so I know where to pickup from.
You have all the reasons to town read Trfel but ends calling him null and I can't understand why. Oh so that's why you were scumreading me. Here is the thing: I like to throw unexplained stuff in the thread to get reactions, so I can gather information on people. I can use it to see who is actively reading and trying to solve the game, and it is a way of keep the thread discussion going on. It is a thing I've learned playing with Rayn (he does this a lot) and something town foolishness also does. I've said to Trfel that a way to generate discussion is doing controversial things and/or giving reads. Openings are very important because of that. The main proof of this is that this game already has 36 pages and the latest newbie game barely had 20 pages at night1. The one liners thing is dull. If you town read LS for posting things that comes from the top of his head, you can't scum read me for one liners, because that's just me not holding my thoughts.
This is specially if you really believe this:
On January 19 2015 05:48 The Shining wrote: Catching up from my last post. In response to your question of whether town or scum would think their posts through more.
DP - I find that Townies, especially paranoid townies, will second guess and double check and triple check everything someone is saying and doing. Our goal is to actively find scum and you don't do that without really thinking out your questions and responses. Scum does have to think out their posts, too, but I have also seen scum hastily post up a few thoughts just to increase their presence in the thread before fading back into the shadows.
Which is exactly what happened EoD.
On January 19 2015 06:18 The Shining wrote: Damdred - I don't really like your last few posts either. GB brought a weak case against you and tried to push you and although you defended yourself, you went the extra step to say he is probably Town for this? You yourself said scum likes to paint townies as townies for free cred. You're also not sure who you want to lynch and haven't voted. I haven't, either, but I've already said I wanted to vote GB or LM. Are you just going to try to jump on the safest wagon?
I wanna give you benefit of the doubt but I'm not sure I can. I'll be even more suspicious of you if GB gets flipped Town today after you town him, with more than a few players scumreading him or questioning his play.
This post is completely wrong. Yes, scum call townies town all the time, but NOT in the situation Damdred was. He was shot to get lynched and I was the second wagon. Damdred is much more likely to lynch me than to die. This is exactly why I decided damdred was town. Always remember that mafias objective is to survive. He wasn't willing to survive. Of course he can still be scum but the probability is WAY less than him being townie.
On January 19 2015 06:04 The Shining wrote: GB - You said you were coming at lurkers. Since then, I've posted a read on you leaning scum and asked you why the LS BS meter comment was something worth mentioning when it is LS, a player who in my short experience experiences with him seems throw whatever is on his mind out there.
You haven't so much as acknowledged me since except to say if you can't lynch Damdred, you want to push the lurkers in Breshke or myself. Why am I not seeing any pressure to do so? You voted Breshke but didnt respond to who addressed you directly. Instead, you made a weak case IMO against Damdred who has repeatedly said he is meh and burnt out. I'm not sure how much credit I want to give Damdred for those excuses but he did mention to me when he coached me last game that he was burning out. He also mentioned it when he convinced me to sign up for this game. I'm not fully buying it yet but in a scenario where you are scum and he is town, it seems like easy pickings to pick on a Town you've played with before, use meta as reasoning for him flip flopping on lynching you and take advantage of him not being as invested in the game as he could be.
Damdreds scum meta is to not be involved. If he is getting tired of playing mafia and isn't involved because if that, well, I can't know. The only thing I know is his meta. Period. Sorry, I've skipped some posts while skimming through the thread, it seems I missed one of yours. And regarding not acknowledging you:
I'm gonna stop here to tell you this:
I've misread a lot of your posts. I thought you were saying that I didn't pressure damdred enough, but you were talking about lurkers. I also believed damdred when he said about the scumread on him and LM because I remembered the post your said you wouldn't be surprised if he was scum if I flipped town.
After actually reading your filter win enough attention, you're clearly town to me. I rescind everything I said about you being scum. Although you have a very, very small filter.
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On January 19 2015 10:30 Damdred wrote: Any thoughts about jarjar fake claiming as mafia with like 7 minutes left. I have a tinfoil theory..,
I know what you're trying to do. Stop it. It's not a fake claim. He is definetely the tracker.
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On January 19 2015 10:38 The Shining wrote: Lmao did you just quote Damdred, say the exact same thing and call it Simple Fact #2? Not alignment indicative at all, just funny as hell.
I'm looking at the unvote and the context for the timing at EoD for when it happened. I'm not particularly sure where the scum motive would be in putting yourself up for Lynch unless you knew ahead of time someone would come to your rescue. It is a hugely risky move but one I wouldn't put past Damdred if both of you were scum. That being said, I don't know enough about GB to be certain that scum GB would be bold enough to pull that off.
Eh. I probably won't post again until I get home from work. I need some time to really analyze the votes and a couple of other posts in the thread and I cant at work. Not convinced GB is town but I'm finally starting to let the idea marinate, I guess.
Well, if that is your theory, you have to believe that 3 scum would convince 4 more townies to secure a mislynch on someone else (that's the only way they can have majority). Pretty hard thing to do EoD. You also have to consider that the two main wagons day1 were mafia, and mafia INTENTIONALLY started at least one of the wagons. If scum intention is to survive, this is a very poor play.
The direct conclusion to this is that at least one of us is town.
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I'm kinda sad today. I can't stand opening the news website anymore. So much violence going on everywhere... Sorry for the off topic. Ignore this post.
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Just woke up I'm the middle of the night and I'm completely awaken. I have no idea of what is happening.
Anyway, I'll lynch anyone who says Jar jar is the tracker because he is un cc. That's not the thing.
But STOP TALKING ABOUT ROLES AT NIGHT!
Sincerely, Adorable Bear.
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DP, why do you respect geripts opinion so much?
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On January 19 2015 15:26 Breshke wrote: Sorry for not being around at EoD was at work and phone died.
GB could you explain your read on me im not sure if im misunderstanding but you seem to be flip flopping and i havnt seen reasons for it. (Also what is it with me and trying to lynch power roles day 1??????)
Also GB do you still scumread geript? I think you are town and he led a wagon off you albeit onto another town but i still don't see the scum motivation behind this.
Just a feeling. I remember you being more inquisitive in other games. You have a tendency of lynching power roles. It's in your blood. At least you will be okay as mafia.
I scumread geript for jumping the wagon against me for no reason. I don't know what to make of the vote count yet. I'm gonna filter dive him soon to re evaluate.
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On January 19 2015 15:24 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On January 19 2015 14:57 GlowingBear wrote: DP, why do you respect geripts opinion so much? Cause I think he is a good player and once someone proves that to me I respect them.
He is also a good scum player. As you seem to have a good grasp on his gameplay, could you tell me what in his play makes yu think he is certainly town to the point you would blindly follow him?
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On January 20 2015 03:14 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2015 02:49 Damdred wrote:On January 20 2015 02:45 rsoultin wrote:On January 20 2015 02:39 Damdred wrote:On January 20 2015 02:32 rsoultin wrote:On January 20 2015 01:49 Damdred wrote: I noticed that you said dps reasoning's were weak. What do you make of that? quid pro quo you also said his reasoning was weak after I did. What's your take? Yea I don't see how LM is really re-evaluating reads or votes from that, he got caught in a mistake/lie/not reading and had to back peddle from it. Nothing really towny about that. His other posts were really disjoined and really weren't flowing with the game in most spots so not sure why they were so good? Lol, no offense, but that's pretty obvious. What do you take from that regarding DP? No clue DP is a better player than that though I don't know him. Eh, could just be bad play, but with a tfel/lm scum team he's a very likely third in my eyes. Just have to see how it plays out.
This is a very likely scum team.
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DP was obvious mafia bah
Anyway, gg!
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On January 29 2015 10:16 Blazinghand wrote: he can't have been that obvious since he didn't get lynched
I've posted he was mafia right after I died. I would really be on his skin if I survived.
I was not expecting to die although it was predictable
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