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jarjarbinks
569 Posts
On January 25 2015 06:43 Damdred wrote: I'm wrong more often than not, LM is a lower activity player. And I could be tunneled, and i'm probably wrong about Geript. I think this quote shows when/why he began switching. | ||
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rsoultin
Netherlands15308 Posts
On January 26 2015 02:40 jarjarbinks wrote: I think this quote shows when/why he began switching. Yeah, that was his explanation for the vote. Did you read the quotes I posted and my comments? That's what I need the sanity check on. | ||
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jarjarbinks
569 Posts
I guess if you think that breshke is town, then it would make more sense if Damdred was mafia to switch to him. There was the beginnings of a train on Damdred. The thing I worry about most with Damdred is the GB kill day 1. I could see a team with damdred/trf on it wanting GB dead. But I could see a team of Trf + two people who haven't played with geript and DP much wanting GB dead as well... The more posts I get from Dp and Geript, the more I think they are town. Unless they are both mafia, they are 100% sure each other is town too. I might park my ideas that they are town for a while, unless something crazy happens. I think the NK will help us get a better idea of what is going on. Honestly I've gotten more suspicious of you (Rsoultin) as the game has gone on. The problem is I can see the way you are acting being due to u as a person, which makes me hesitate on it. I could see you having this strong/long a filter with you as mafia though... Shining is probably the biggest question mark in my mind. | ||
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jarjarbinks
569 Posts
On January 26 2015 02:46 rsoultin wrote: Yeah, that was his explanation for the vote. Did you read the quotes I posted and my comments? That's what I need the sanity check on. Ya idk your argument didn't really convince me of anything. You have quotes there, but idk if they are as implicating as you believe they are. I'll go double check. | ||
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rsoultin
Netherlands15308 Posts
On January 26 2015 02:51 jarjarbinks wrote: Idk rsoultin. Damdred was the first Breshke vote. He didn't need to do that. I could see him seeing that DP had some good points and that LM wasn't mafia and decide to switch to the other guy people were suspicious of. Half survival half change in point of view. Town wants to survive too, not just mafia. I guess if you think that breshke is town, then it would make more sense if Damdred was mafia to switch to him. There was the beginnings of a train on Damdred. The thing I worry about most with Damdred is the GB kill day 1. I could see a team with damdred/trf on it wanting GB dead. But I could see a team of Trf + two people who haven't played with geript and DP much wanting GB dead as well... The more posts I get from Dp and Geript, the more I think they are town. Unless they are both mafia, they are 100% sure each other is town too. I might park my ideas that they are town for a while, unless something crazy happens. I think the NK will help us get a better idea of what is going on. Honestly I've gotten more suspicious of you (Rsoultin) as the game has gone on. The problem is I can see the way you are acting being due to u as a person, which makes me hesitate on it. I could see you having this strong/long a filter with you as mafia though... Shining is probably the biggest question mark in my mind. Fair enough. I may just be OMGUSing Damdred. Lol, you're always suspicious of me when you have nowhere better to park your suspicion; it's okay. Wrong but okay. So you're in the rsoul hard-bussed trfel camp, too, hm? | ||
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rsoultin
Netherlands15308 Posts
On January 26 2015 02:54 jarjarbinks wrote: Ya idk your argument didn't really convince me of anything. You have quotes there, but idk if they are as implicating as you believe they are. I'll go double check. Please @.@. My argument is his quotes read like he already knew that LM would flip town before he flipped, even before he voted LM, and he was setting up his PoE to point fingers at players before the flip. It could be straight up OMGUS paranoia, which is why I need a sanity check. | ||
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jarjarbinks
569 Posts
Double check has me seeing confusion on the Damdred flip, but I didn't get the same end result as you did. It is weird to me that Damdred would flip and still say that LM is a good lynch when LM still had a ton of traction. I think that if he knew that LM would flip town, as soon as he flipped to Breshke he would have not said anything later about LM being a good lynch. I would think he would want it to look like he realized LM was town from DP's argument and switched on to someone else because of the argument so he's slightly cleared of suspicion when LM flips town. Actually the hard-bus trfel part of the whole rsoultin=mafia thing makes little sense to me. I don't see you taking such a big risk for no reason. The only reason why I felt you were suspicious was because some of your play has paralleled his (lol). It seemed to me like Trfel had already planned to defend me and get on LM. Like pretty much when the game started. He always defended me from the get go and went after LM. Before I thought that meant he was bussing LM, obviously that wasn't the case. You have done the same thing in this game. The reason why I didn't feel like it was worth bringing up is because I saw that you as a person would probably defend me in the game and that LM was a relatively easy guy to take for mafia until EOD yesterday. Your resistance to change EOD yesterday does follow Trfel's planned actions. It could be coincidence though, but I guess I am allowed to be suspicious lol | ||
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rsoultin
Netherlands15308 Posts
On January 26 2015 03:15 jarjarbinks wrote: Sorry computer issues. Double check has me seeing confusion on the Damdred flip, but I didn't get the same end result as you did. It is weird to me that Damdred would flip and still say that LM is a good lynch when LM still had a ton of traction. I think that if he knew that LM would flip town, as soon as he flipped to Breshke he would have not said anything later about LM being a good lynch. I would think he would want it to look like he realized LM was town from DP's argument and switched on to someone else because of the argument so he's slightly cleared of suspicion when LM flips town. Actually the hard-bus trfel part of the whole rsoultin=mafia thing makes little sense to me. I don't see you taking such a big risk for no reason. The only reason why I felt you were suspicious was because some of your play has paralleled his (lol). It seemed to me like Trfel had already planned to defend me and get on LM. Like pretty much when the game started. He always defended me from the get go and went after LM. Before I thought that meant he was bussing LM, obviously that wasn't the case. You have done the same thing in this game. The reason why I didn't feel like it was worth bringing up is because I saw that you as a person would probably defend me in the game and that LM was a relatively easy guy to take for mafia until EOD yesterday. Your resistance to change EOD yesterday does follow Trfel's planned actions. It could be coincidence though, but I guess I am allowed to be suspicious lol Yeah, you're allowed, lol. Eh, in my paranoid world scum can make mistakes, and his saying that DP was town for being here at EoD presupposes the main wagon is town...before Damdred decided that Breshke was his lynch and not LM. A scum DP would want to be around to try to move the wagon off scum, so by saying him being here at EoD makes him town makes it seem like Damdred already knew how LM was going to flip. Is my logic flawed? I also can see getting an equal amount of flak from everyone in this game if I chose to switch to Bresh last minute and Bresh was also town. And then it would be LM and me Damdred was trying to push xP | ||
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jarjarbinks
569 Posts
How does that statement presuppose that the main wagon is town? I missed that part. In your mind, You me bresh shining are all town. Is that still true? That would make dp or geript 1 mafia and damdred the other? | ||
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Damdred
15669 Posts
DP woke up when an lm lynch was basically 100% town cares that much. It's town favored, arguing otherwise is silly. It's like Euro players staying up to 4 am to help at deadline that's a town | ||
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rsoultin
Netherlands15308 Posts
On January 26 2015 03:37 jarjarbinks wrote: I could definitely see that. How does that statement presuppose that the main wagon is town? I missed that part. In your mind, You me bresh shining are all town. Is that still true? That would make dp or geript 1 mafia and damdred the other? Okay, so this is my thought process. Damdred and I are on LM. Damdred makes a comment that the simple fact that DP being in the thread at EoD makes him town 100%. - Possibility 1. LM is town. DP is therefore town because he is trying to move a lynch off a town. Scum wouldn't care enough to wake up early to stop a mislynch. - Possibility 2. LM is scum. DP is therefore either town believing LM is town and trying to stop a mislynch, or scum trying to save his scum buddy. Damdred then decides to switch to Breshke and says that both LM and Breshke are good lynches after his vote change. So, why is DP town 100% unless Damdred knew that LM was town? And if Damdred was so certain LM was town, why was he voting him? Why did he say both were good lynches later? ^ In my paranoid world, this makes it highly likely Damdred is scum, knew exactly how LM would flip, and set up his PoE to jam a Breshke lynch through. He's shown no interest in even considering other possibilities. As far as Shining and Bresh are concerned, I'm not sure. I thought they were town before and I don't see anything new since then to change that...do you find DP and geript's points as damning as they do on Bresh? Maybe I'm missing something. I guess it could be Shining as a scum partner. I don't think geript is scum either, I really don't. I don't see that battle between geript and Damdred Day 3 being easy to pull off as scum together. DP...I just really need to look at him closer. I never understood why he was townreading LM so early. It is very convenient for him that everyone aligned him with a scum LM and he's been by and large ignored as a potential scum partner for anyone else. I just need to approach him with an open mind, which is something I don't have regarding him right now >< | ||
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rsoultin
Netherlands15308 Posts
On January 26 2015 03:37 Damdred wrote: Most of the time Scum doesn't show to inconvenient deadlines. Your argument comes from what if lm flipped Scum it seems rather than flipping town. DP woke up when an lm lynch was basically 100% town cares that much. It's town favored, arguing otherwise is silly. It's like Euro players staying up to 4 am to help at deadline that's a town The point is not that your logic is wrong, Damdred. The point is that it was only right if LM was town, and you made your point while still on the LM lynch where you were supposedly scumreading him. You could say that at that point you thought LM was town and were just looking for a counterwagon, however you then later said that LM and Breshke were both good lynches. So if you had any doubt on the alignment of LM where he may be scum, DP being in the thread at EoD with LM as the main wagon was not alignment indicative. This looks like TMI to me in a very bad way. | ||
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jarjarbinks
569 Posts
When I read that I'm thinking he's not basing that observation on the vote/flip of LM. Its more on the basic knowledge of scum vs town making deadlines. I could see myself as mafia waking up if I was pushing one of the wagons and wanted to see if it worked. I could also see myself as town doing the same thing if I thought I was right. That means I disagree with his statement in defining DP as town. | ||
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rsoultin
Netherlands15308 Posts
On January 26 2015 04:01 jarjarbinks wrote: hmm ya I don't know. I think what happened here is that damdred pointed out an observation he has seen in the game that isn't 100% true and you not only called him out for it you also took it to the farthest conclusion. When I read that I'm thinking he's not basing that observation on the vote/flip of LM. Its more on the basic knowledge of scum vs town making deadlines. I could see myself as mafia waking up if I was pushing one of the wagons and wanted to see if it worked. I could also see myself as town doing the same thing if I thought I was right. That means I disagree with his statement in defining DP as town. It helps that I know I'm town and I know that Damdred isn't stupid, I'll admit -_- If Damdred is scum which I think is highly likely, then I am scared of the way thread sentiment is going regarding Breshke. | ||
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geript
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rsoultin
Netherlands15308 Posts
On January 26 2015 04:01 jarjarbinks wrote: hmm ya I don't know. I think what happened here is that damdred pointed out an observation he has seen in the game that isn't 100% true and you not only called him out for it you also took it to the farthest conclusion. When I read that I'm thinking he's not basing that observation on the vote/flip of LM. Its more on the basic knowledge of scum vs town making deadlines. I could see myself as mafia waking up if I was pushing one of the wagons and wanted to see if it worked. I could also see myself as town doing the same thing if I thought I was right. That means I disagree with his statement in defining DP as town. With a town Damdred this statement is 100% right, assuming he's...illogical. But Damdred is not a sicklucker. He is not a lightningstike or a glowingbear. Those three players I have learned to give leeway to if they don't make sense cause they do that sometimes as either alignment >< Damdred knows what he's doing enough to know that scum probably is not going to roll over if a scum partner is the main wagon. So as long as he still suspects LM, making that statement is illogical, irrational, and not like the Damdred I know. That he refuses to acknowledge that fairly simple fact makes me even more suspicious of him >< | ||
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DarthPunk
Australia10857 Posts
On January 26 2015 04:15 geript wrote: DP you around? I'm really torn about shining. Yeah I'm in bed reading on my phone. It's 6:20 am. I have thought he was scum for ages. 1.) I have no idea how people can be strong tow re adding him (especially rso) 2.) the only good point that makes him town is a meta point and new players have unreliable meta. | ||
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rsoultin
Netherlands15308 Posts
On January 26 2015 04:19 geript wrote: This is going to sound like a really dumb reason to scumread someone, but Shining's not quoting anything for the most part. That's really curious because the last game he quoted a bunch of hsit. Probably explained by working on a tablet, which Damdred and I have already verified is true. I like that you're revisiting Shining, though. It's nice to see at least one other player not dead set on auto lynching tomorrow. | ||
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