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On January 18 2015 16:16 geript wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2015 16:12 DarthPunk wrote:On January 18 2015 16:10 geript wrote:
Regarding the Rsoultin case on Trfel, the first part is basically a bunch of BS. Like trying to make a case on Trfel pushing me or not pushing me, that's just fluff. It's also weird that Trfel is "weird" for not liking LS for the LS's changing viewpoint because of you pushing him. I don't really see how that's scummy at all.
I can't really decide if it's yawn bad or yawn mafia. I don't think I want to lynch him today anyways.
(Sorry Dp, this was in a tab and I forgot about it.) The 'analysis' of the Geript vote was incredibly forced. Like it wasn't bad it was trying to FIND things that could be reasonably perceived as mafia. the rest of the case came across that way also. I know. I just can't decide if that's actually be or mafia. Like I think your bar is too high for people and maybe mine is too low. I just can't decide if it feels like honest bullshit or not. Let's look at her filter overall though, that'll give us a better look.
Yeah my bar is too high probably. I need to work deciphering bad from scum as town.
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I think my preferred lynch is GB.
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On January 18 2015 16:16 geript wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2015 16:12 DarthPunk wrote:On January 18 2015 16:10 geript wrote:
Regarding the Rsoultin case on Trfel, the first part is basically a bunch of BS. Like trying to make a case on Trfel pushing me or not pushing me, that's just fluff. It's also weird that Trfel is "weird" for not liking LS for the LS's changing viewpoint because of you pushing him. I don't really see how that's scummy at all.
I can't really decide if it's yawn bad or yawn mafia. I don't think I want to lynch him today anyways.
(Sorry Dp, this was in a tab and I forgot about it.) The 'analysis' of the Geript vote was incredibly forced. Like it wasn't bad it was trying to FIND things that could be reasonably perceived as mafia. the rest of the case came across that way also. I know. I just can't decide if that's actually be or mafia. Like I think your bar is too high for people and maybe mine is too low. I just can't decide if it feels like honest bullshit or not. Let's look at her filter overall though, that'll give us a better look.
-shrugs- If you have questions let me know, I guess. I didn't think my case was so awful, but that's kind of a given.
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On January 18 2015 16:20 geript wrote:
I think my preferred lynch is GB.
Reasons?
Do you think Glowingbear would be so abrasive as scum?
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On January 17 2015 10:52 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2015 10:47 LightningStrike wrote:
I don't think there is a voting thread for this game fyi guys. Also what is the BS Meter? I never heard you use this term before can you explain it please? I used it in our last game, Night 1, with -Celestial-. It means that what he's saying strikes me as bullshit, or BS. Show nested quote +On January 17 2015 10:47 DarthPunk wrote:On January 17 2015 10:43 rsoultin wrote:On January 17 2015 10:38 DarthPunk wrote:On January 17 2015 10:29 rsoultin wrote:On January 17 2015 10:24 LightningStrike wrote:On January 17 2015 10:17 Trfel wrote:
I'm back.
LightningStrike's play does seem rather weird so far. First he says that my early vote is scummy, and then says that it is towny. Regardless of whether my early vote was a good or bad play, LightningStrike's view changed on it after DarthPunk and LoneMeow expressed opinions that it was a slightly townie thing to do. And then, asking for rsoultin makes no sense at all. Why rsoultin? If it's to make a meta read, how about all of the rest of us he has played with before?
GlowingBear's opening seems pretty bad as well. In general I don't like claiming, since I feel that town players should simply play well to show that they are town (just like how I don't put very much focus on setups). Claim aside, why would he even sign up for the game if he doesn't want to play VT, the most common role? VT is the core of the game, the power roles are the fluff (especially in games like this one with only two power roles). Side note, I've been cop/tracker twice out of three previous games, and it hasn't been particularly enjoyable for me. VT is a much more enjoyable role IMO, less pressure and you can more freely speak your mind. It was to make a meta read on her and WarWaffle I only played 1 game with him and he seemed to be posting the same way he did in the last newbie game when he was Vet. Damdred's entrance post is all he got atm so I need to wait for a meta read on him. Although rsoultins only entrance was to vote you she didn't explain her reasoning for why she votign for you now. rsoultin welcome to the game now why calling BS on Tfrel's post? If it's a joke vote I can maybe understand but I don't see anything totally wrong with his vote except for the fact that gerpit had not posted yet so (shrugs) What's wrong with it is that the Trfel, before a single word was spoken...in fact practically the second the game started...decided to vote for someone because they are "intentionally playing bad". Not only has geript not posted at all in this thread, but Trfel himself has been very effective with quite minimal posts, and is usually very slow to vote or scumread people until he is sure. It may well be a pressure vote (the second the game started!) but not only is it more aggressive than I've come to expect from him, but his explanation is inherently false which he should know based on his own play in the last two games.Thus, BS meter. Why would scum put the spotlight on himself from the get go for no reason? Shit like this always looks bad but the underlying point ends up being that they don't give a fuck what they look like which is a townie trait because scum ALWAYS care what they look like due to their inherent feelings of guilt. Do you think Trfel is scum? Cause he is my biggest town read in the game so far. What does BS meter mean exactly? Why does Trefel's early vote fit with the mafia agenda? It means that his explanation does not line up with what I know of him. The vote I could really care less about. I think it's preemptive but not alignment indicative. His explanation for it directly contradicts the simple fact that Trfel plays effectively with a low post count, and LS is right in that I don't think I've ever seen him policy lynch. (Note that my vote never made it to the voting thread. I don't necessarily think he's scum but I want him to explain to me why the sudden near-180 in his play.) So you are saying he is being a hypocrite? How does that affect his alignment? Like can only scum be Hypocrites? If so, what is your rationale for that belief? It means that I don't think he actually believes what he is saying. That is different from being a hypocrite, and if true, would in fact make him scum.
That's a really weird statement.
On January 17 2015 13:17 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2015 13:04 Breshke wrote:Soz had irl shit to do On January 17 2015 10:38 DarthPunk wrote:On January 17 2015 10:29 rsoultin wrote:On January 17 2015 10:24 LightningStrike wrote:On January 17 2015 10:17 Trfel wrote:
I'm back.
LightningStrike's play does seem rather weird so far. First he says that my early vote is scummy, and then says that it is towny. Regardless of whether my early vote was a good or bad play, LightningStrike's view changed on it after DarthPunk and LoneMeow expressed opinions that it was a slightly townie thing to do. And then, asking for rsoultin makes no sense at all. Why rsoultin? If it's to make a meta read, how about all of the rest of us he has played with before?
GlowingBear's opening seems pretty bad as well. In general I don't like claiming, since I feel that town players should simply play well to show that they are town (just like how I don't put very much focus on setups). Claim aside, why would he even sign up for the game if he doesn't want to play VT, the most common role? VT is the core of the game, the power roles are the fluff (especially in games like this one with only two power roles). Side note, I've been cop/tracker twice out of three previous games, and it hasn't been particularly enjoyable for me. VT is a much more enjoyable role IMO, less pressure and you can more freely speak your mind. It was to make a meta read on her and WarWaffle I only played 1 game with him and he seemed to be posting the same way he did in the last newbie game when he was Vet. Damdred's entrance post is all he got atm so I need to wait for a meta read on him. Although rsoultins only entrance was to vote you she didn't explain her reasoning for why she votign for you now. rsoultin welcome to the game now why calling BS on Tfrel's post? If it's a joke vote I can maybe understand but I don't see anything totally wrong with his vote except for the fact that gerpit had not posted yet so (shrugs) What's wrong with it is that the Trfel, before a single word was spoken...in fact practically the second the game started...decided to vote for someone because they are "intentionally playing bad". Not only has geript not posted at all in this thread, but Trfel himself has been very effective with quite minimal posts, and is usually very slow to vote or scumread people until he is sure. It may well be a pressure vote (the second the game started!) but not only is it more aggressive than I've come to expect from him, but his explanation is inherently false which he should know based on his own play in the last two games.Thus, BS meter. Why would scum put the spotlight on himself from the get go for no reason?Shit like this always looks bad but the underlying point ends up being that they don't give a fuck what they look like which is a townie trait because scum ALWAYS care what they look like due to their inherent feelings of guilt. Do you think Trfel is scum? Cause he is my biggest town read in the game so far. What does BS meter mean exactly? Why does Trefel's early vote fit with the mafia agenda? rsoultin do you disagree with the bolded question? I couldnt see if you have already answered it or not. I think DP is fairly spot on with trefel and i don't understand where you are coming from at all. Even if trefel is playing different it is possible to do that as town as well. So saying someone is playing different isn't a good enough reason to call them scum. Also GB can make that entrance post as a blue ,VT or scum so people looking into that post are going to go nowhere. I am not calling Trfel scum. I am questioning his intentions, because his first explanation did not jive. ^Next time someone asks me this I am going to flat-out quote this post of myself because I'm getting tired of answering it. I do not think there is actually any danger in the particular way he drew attention to himself if he is scum. ^Again, the next time someone asks me this I will quote this post.
I don't really actually like this post at all. Moreso because the big Trfel case-post is like 90% on the first set of posts from Trfel which I don't find as being important at all. Like sure Trfel was bullshitting one way or another. Like I think I know why I was so meh about Rsoultin's case. It comes off as a Lynch all liars policy lynch which I find terribly awful.
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Well I just read his filter again and it is full of one liners but I saw some questions I liked and and an marginal investment in the game.
Reminds me a bit of his last game actually.
The only thing that I don't like about his filter is the fact that his questions/comments don't seem to lead anywhere or at least it isn't readable ITT.
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@Rsoultin. When did your read change on JJB from could be mafia to probably town? More importantly why did it change?
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Here First paragraph really. There's another point later on about how GB's read on Damdred changes that felt really really odd because it didn't look like it actually was changing in response to the threat at all or what was going on. Just that it changed.
tldr version. Lots of questions. Lots of reads. 0 reasons. Which for someone who's played a decent amount and looks like he's a newbie is pretty telling imo. Like there's not a single post that I can go "OOH that's a good point." to.
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On January 18 2015 16:28 geript wrote:
@Rsoultin. When did your read change on JJB from could be mafia to probably town? More importantly why did it change?
I am tempted to be snarky and to tell you to read my filter, since you're in the process of it already.
His re-entrance into the thread addressing several posts and asking questions was enough at the time to make me reconsider him as a lynch today. I can't say that I was fond of his explanations for his list post, but when I pressed him for the reasons behind his scumreads they seemed genuine enough to me.
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On January 02 2015 10:15 KelsierSC wrote:
Gb made a great point about marv and it seemed like he believed what he said so yeh gb can be in my club
This was actually the post that I townread GB (and Kelsier) for in Imperial. The only thing that even closes resembles something that I feel similar about in GB's filter is his post about Hapa coaching that he got warned for.
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On January 18 2015 16:27 geript wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2015 10:52 rsoultin wrote:On January 17 2015 10:47 LightningStrike wrote:
I don't think there is a voting thread for this game fyi guys. Also what is the BS Meter? I never heard you use this term before can you explain it please? I used it in our last game, Night 1, with -Celestial-. It means that what he's saying strikes me as bullshit, or BS. On January 17 2015 10:47 DarthPunk wrote:On January 17 2015 10:43 rsoultin wrote:On January 17 2015 10:38 DarthPunk wrote:On January 17 2015 10:29 rsoultin wrote:On January 17 2015 10:24 LightningStrike wrote:On January 17 2015 10:17 Trfel wrote:
I'm back.
LightningStrike's play does seem rather weird so far. First he says that my early vote is scummy, and then says that it is towny. Regardless of whether my early vote was a good or bad play, LightningStrike's view changed on it after DarthPunk and LoneMeow expressed opinions that it was a slightly townie thing to do. And then, asking for rsoultin makes no sense at all. Why rsoultin? If it's to make a meta read, how about all of the rest of us he has played with before?
GlowingBear's opening seems pretty bad as well. In general I don't like claiming, since I feel that town players should simply play well to show that they are town (just like how I don't put very much focus on setups). Claim aside, why would he even sign up for the game if he doesn't want to play VT, the most common role? VT is the core of the game, the power roles are the fluff (especially in games like this one with only two power roles). Side note, I've been cop/tracker twice out of three previous games, and it hasn't been particularly enjoyable for me. VT is a much more enjoyable role IMO, less pressure and you can more freely speak your mind. It was to make a meta read on her and WarWaffle I only played 1 game with him and he seemed to be posting the same way he did in the last newbie game when he was Vet. Damdred's entrance post is all he got atm so I need to wait for a meta read on him. Although rsoultins only entrance was to vote you she didn't explain her reasoning for why she votign for you now. rsoultin welcome to the game now why calling BS on Tfrel's post? If it's a joke vote I can maybe understand but I don't see anything totally wrong with his vote except for the fact that gerpit had not posted yet so (shrugs) What's wrong with it is that the Trfel, before a single word was spoken...in fact practically the second the game started...decided to vote for someone because they are "intentionally playing bad". Not only has geript not posted at all in this thread, but Trfel himself has been very effective with quite minimal posts, and is usually very slow to vote or scumread people until he is sure. It may well be a pressure vote (the second the game started!) but not only is it more aggressive than I've come to expect from him, but his explanation is inherently false which he should know based on his own play in the last two games.Thus, BS meter. Why would scum put the spotlight on himself from the get go for no reason? Shit like this always looks bad but the underlying point ends up being that they don't give a fuck what they look like which is a townie trait because scum ALWAYS care what they look like due to their inherent feelings of guilt. Do you think Trfel is scum? Cause he is my biggest town read in the game so far. What does BS meter mean exactly? Why does Trefel's early vote fit with the mafia agenda? It means that his explanation does not line up with what I know of him. The vote I could really care less about. I think it's preemptive but not alignment indicative. His explanation for it directly contradicts the simple fact that Trfel plays effectively with a low post count, and LS is right in that I don't think I've ever seen him policy lynch. (Note that my vote never made it to the voting thread. I don't necessarily think he's scum but I want him to explain to me why the sudden near-180 in his play.) So you are saying he is being a hypocrite? How does that affect his alignment? Like can only scum be Hypocrites? If so, what is your rationale for that belief? It means that I don't think he actually believes what he is saying. That is different from being a hypocrite, and if true, would in fact make him scum. That's a really weird statement. Show nested quote +On January 17 2015 13:17 rsoultin wrote:On January 17 2015 13:04 Breshke wrote:Soz had irl shit to do On January 17 2015 10:38 DarthPunk wrote:On January 17 2015 10:29 rsoultin wrote:On January 17 2015 10:24 LightningStrike wrote:On January 17 2015 10:17 Trfel wrote:
I'm back.
LightningStrike's play does seem rather weird so far. First he says that my early vote is scummy, and then says that it is towny. Regardless of whether my early vote was a good or bad play, LightningStrike's view changed on it after DarthPunk and LoneMeow expressed opinions that it was a slightly townie thing to do. And then, asking for rsoultin makes no sense at all. Why rsoultin? If it's to make a meta read, how about all of the rest of us he has played with before?
GlowingBear's opening seems pretty bad as well. In general I don't like claiming, since I feel that town players should simply play well to show that they are town (just like how I don't put very much focus on setups). Claim aside, why would he even sign up for the game if he doesn't want to play VT, the most common role? VT is the core of the game, the power roles are the fluff (especially in games like this one with only two power roles). Side note, I've been cop/tracker twice out of three previous games, and it hasn't been particularly enjoyable for me. VT is a much more enjoyable role IMO, less pressure and you can more freely speak your mind. It was to make a meta read on her and WarWaffle I only played 1 game with him and he seemed to be posting the same way he did in the last newbie game when he was Vet. Damdred's entrance post is all he got atm so I need to wait for a meta read on him. Although rsoultins only entrance was to vote you she didn't explain her reasoning for why she votign for you now. rsoultin welcome to the game now why calling BS on Tfrel's post? If it's a joke vote I can maybe understand but I don't see anything totally wrong with his vote except for the fact that gerpit had not posted yet so (shrugs) What's wrong with it is that the Trfel, before a single word was spoken...in fact practically the second the game started...decided to vote for someone because they are "intentionally playing bad". Not only has geript not posted at all in this thread, but Trfel himself has been very effective with quite minimal posts, and is usually very slow to vote or scumread people until he is sure. It may well be a pressure vote (the second the game started!) but not only is it more aggressive than I've come to expect from him, but his explanation is inherently false which he should know based on his own play in the last two games.Thus, BS meter. Why would scum put the spotlight on himself from the get go for no reason?Shit like this always looks bad but the underlying point ends up being that they don't give a fuck what they look like which is a townie trait because scum ALWAYS care what they look like due to their inherent feelings of guilt. Do you think Trfel is scum? Cause he is my biggest town read in the game so far. What does BS meter mean exactly? Why does Trefel's early vote fit with the mafia agenda? rsoultin do you disagree with the bolded question? I couldnt see if you have already answered it or not. I think DP is fairly spot on with trefel and i don't understand where you are coming from at all. Even if trefel is playing different it is possible to do that as town as well. So saying someone is playing different isn't a good enough reason to call them scum. Also GB can make that entrance post as a blue ,VT or scum so people looking into that post are going to go nowhere. I am not calling Trfel scum. I am questioning his intentions, because his first explanation did not jive. ^Next time someone asks me this I am going to flat-out quote this post of myself because I'm getting tired of answering it. I do not think there is actually any danger in the particular way he drew attention to himself if he is scum. ^Again, the next time someone asks me this I will quote this post. I don't really actually like this post at all. Moreso because the big Trfel case-post is like 90% on the first set of posts from Trfel which I don't find as being important at all. Like sure Trfel was bullshitting one way or another. Like I think I know why I was so meh about Rsoultin's case. It comes off as a Lynch all liars policy lynch which I find terribly awful.
If all you're reading is the first part of my case, then I'd have to agree with you that it isn't strong. My gut feel on him from our first exchange was his posts were out-of-character. I'm not talking about a metaread here; I'm talking about the personality that I've come to associate with him. Trying to put that into words is hard.
Please actually take the time to open the spoiler with his giant novel reads post and re-read it. I made comments directly into that post. Whether you agree with me or not, that is the main thrust of my case.
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On January 18 2015 16:38 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2015 16:27 geript wrote:On January 17 2015 10:52 rsoultin wrote:On January 17 2015 10:47 LightningStrike wrote:
I don't think there is a voting thread for this game fyi guys. Also what is the BS Meter? I never heard you use this term before can you explain it please? I used it in our last game, Night 1, with -Celestial-. It means that what he's saying strikes me as bullshit, or BS. On January 17 2015 10:47 DarthPunk wrote:On January 17 2015 10:43 rsoultin wrote:On January 17 2015 10:38 DarthPunk wrote:On January 17 2015 10:29 rsoultin wrote:On January 17 2015 10:24 LightningStrike wrote:On January 17 2015 10:17 Trfel wrote:
I'm back.
LightningStrike's play does seem rather weird so far. First he says that my early vote is scummy, and then says that it is towny. Regardless of whether my early vote was a good or bad play, LightningStrike's view changed on it after DarthPunk and LoneMeow expressed opinions that it was a slightly townie thing to do. And then, asking for rsoultin makes no sense at all. Why rsoultin? If it's to make a meta read, how about all of the rest of us he has played with before?
GlowingBear's opening seems pretty bad as well. In general I don't like claiming, since I feel that town players should simply play well to show that they are town (just like how I don't put very much focus on setups). Claim aside, why would he even sign up for the game if he doesn't want to play VT, the most common role? VT is the core of the game, the power roles are the fluff (especially in games like this one with only two power roles). Side note, I've been cop/tracker twice out of three previous games, and it hasn't been particularly enjoyable for me. VT is a much more enjoyable role IMO, less pressure and you can more freely speak your mind. It was to make a meta read on her and WarWaffle I only played 1 game with him and he seemed to be posting the same way he did in the last newbie game when he was Vet. Damdred's entrance post is all he got atm so I need to wait for a meta read on him. Although rsoultins only entrance was to vote you she didn't explain her reasoning for why she votign for you now. rsoultin welcome to the game now why calling BS on Tfrel's post? If it's a joke vote I can maybe understand but I don't see anything totally wrong with his vote except for the fact that gerpit had not posted yet so (shrugs) What's wrong with it is that the Trfel, before a single word was spoken...in fact practically the second the game started...decided to vote for someone because they are "intentionally playing bad". Not only has geript not posted at all in this thread, but Trfel himself has been very effective with quite minimal posts, and is usually very slow to vote or scumread people until he is sure. It may well be a pressure vote (the second the game started!) but not only is it more aggressive than I've come to expect from him, but his explanation is inherently false which he should know based on his own play in the last two games.Thus, BS meter. Why would scum put the spotlight on himself from the get go for no reason? Shit like this always looks bad but the underlying point ends up being that they don't give a fuck what they look like which is a townie trait because scum ALWAYS care what they look like due to their inherent feelings of guilt. Do you think Trfel is scum? Cause he is my biggest town read in the game so far. What does BS meter mean exactly? Why does Trefel's early vote fit with the mafia agenda? It means that his explanation does not line up with what I know of him. The vote I could really care less about. I think it's preemptive but not alignment indicative. His explanation for it directly contradicts the simple fact that Trfel plays effectively with a low post count, and LS is right in that I don't think I've ever seen him policy lynch. (Note that my vote never made it to the voting thread. I don't necessarily think he's scum but I want him to explain to me why the sudden near-180 in his play.) So you are saying he is being a hypocrite? How does that affect his alignment? Like can only scum be Hypocrites? If so, what is your rationale for that belief? It means that I don't think he actually believes what he is saying. That is different from being a hypocrite, and if true, would in fact make him scum. That's a really weird statement. On January 17 2015 13:17 rsoultin wrote:On January 17 2015 13:04 Breshke wrote:Soz had irl shit to do On January 17 2015 10:38 DarthPunk wrote:On January 17 2015 10:29 rsoultin wrote:On January 17 2015 10:24 LightningStrike wrote:On January 17 2015 10:17 Trfel wrote:
I'm back.
LightningStrike's play does seem rather weird so far. First he says that my early vote is scummy, and then says that it is towny. Regardless of whether my early vote was a good or bad play, LightningStrike's view changed on it after DarthPunk and LoneMeow expressed opinions that it was a slightly townie thing to do. And then, asking for rsoultin makes no sense at all. Why rsoultin? If it's to make a meta read, how about all of the rest of us he has played with before?
GlowingBear's opening seems pretty bad as well. In general I don't like claiming, since I feel that town players should simply play well to show that they are town (just like how I don't put very much focus on setups). Claim aside, why would he even sign up for the game if he doesn't want to play VT, the most common role? VT is the core of the game, the power roles are the fluff (especially in games like this one with only two power roles). Side note, I've been cop/tracker twice out of three previous games, and it hasn't been particularly enjoyable for me. VT is a much more enjoyable role IMO, less pressure and you can more freely speak your mind. It was to make a meta read on her and WarWaffle I only played 1 game with him and he seemed to be posting the same way he did in the last newbie game when he was Vet. Damdred's entrance post is all he got atm so I need to wait for a meta read on him. Although rsoultins only entrance was to vote you she didn't explain her reasoning for why she votign for you now. rsoultin welcome to the game now why calling BS on Tfrel's post? If it's a joke vote I can maybe understand but I don't see anything totally wrong with his vote except for the fact that gerpit had not posted yet so (shrugs) What's wrong with it is that the Trfel, before a single word was spoken...in fact practically the second the game started...decided to vote for someone because they are "intentionally playing bad". Not only has geript not posted at all in this thread, but Trfel himself has been very effective with quite minimal posts, and is usually very slow to vote or scumread people until he is sure. It may well be a pressure vote (the second the game started!) but not only is it more aggressive than I've come to expect from him, but his explanation is inherently false which he should know based on his own play in the last two games.Thus, BS meter. Why would scum put the spotlight on himself from the get go for no reason?Shit like this always looks bad but the underlying point ends up being that they don't give a fuck what they look like which is a townie trait because scum ALWAYS care what they look like due to their inherent feelings of guilt. Do you think Trfel is scum? Cause he is my biggest town read in the game so far. What does BS meter mean exactly? Why does Trefel's early vote fit with the mafia agenda? rsoultin do you disagree with the bolded question? I couldnt see if you have already answered it or not. I think DP is fairly spot on with trefel and i don't understand where you are coming from at all. Even if trefel is playing different it is possible to do that as town as well. So saying someone is playing different isn't a good enough reason to call them scum. Also GB can make that entrance post as a blue ,VT or scum so people looking into that post are going to go nowhere. I am not calling Trfel scum. I am questioning his intentions, because his first explanation did not jive. ^Next time someone asks me this I am going to flat-out quote this post of myself because I'm getting tired of answering it. I do not think there is actually any danger in the particular way he drew attention to himself if he is scum. ^Again, the next time someone asks me this I will quote this post. I don't really actually like this post at all. Moreso because the big Trfel case-post is like 90% on the first set of posts from Trfel which I don't find as being important at all. Like sure Trfel was bullshitting one way or another. Like I think I know why I was so meh about Rsoultin's case. It comes off as a Lynch all liars policy lynch which I find terribly awful. If all you're reading is the first part of my case, then I'd have to agree with you that it isn't strong. My gut feel on him from our first exchange was his posts were out-of-character. I'm not talking about a metaread here; I'm talking about the personality that I've come to associate with him. Trying to put that into words is hard. Please actually take the time to open the spoiler with his giant novel reads post and re-read it. I made comments directly into that post. Whether you agree with me or not, that is the main thrust of my case.
No, other than the nul, null, null, type of stuff which is odd, I don't actually like your analysis at all there. I saw that stuff and that's a bit odd imo from Trfel, but I think my reasons on that same post are significantly better than yours. And I found reasons to both scumread and townread him from that post.
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I feel like I'm talking in a mirror. I'm just going to call rsoultin town and say I don't want to lynch her either.
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On January 18 2015 16:45 geript wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2015 16:38 rsoultin wrote:On January 18 2015 16:27 geript wrote:On January 17 2015 10:52 rsoultin wrote:On January 17 2015 10:47 LightningStrike wrote:
I don't think there is a voting thread for this game fyi guys. Also what is the BS Meter? I never heard you use this term before can you explain it please? I used it in our last game, Night 1, with -Celestial-. It means that what he's saying strikes me as bullshit, or BS. On January 17 2015 10:47 DarthPunk wrote:On January 17 2015 10:43 rsoultin wrote:On January 17 2015 10:38 DarthPunk wrote:On January 17 2015 10:29 rsoultin wrote:On January 17 2015 10:24 LightningStrike wrote:On January 17 2015 10:17 Trfel wrote:
I'm back.
LightningStrike's play does seem rather weird so far. First he says that my early vote is scummy, and then says that it is towny. Regardless of whether my early vote was a good or bad play, LightningStrike's view changed on it after DarthPunk and LoneMeow expressed opinions that it was a slightly townie thing to do. And then, asking for rsoultin makes no sense at all. Why rsoultin? If it's to make a meta read, how about all of the rest of us he has played with before?
GlowingBear's opening seems pretty bad as well. In general I don't like claiming, since I feel that town players should simply play well to show that they are town (just like how I don't put very much focus on setups). Claim aside, why would he even sign up for the game if he doesn't want to play VT, the most common role? VT is the core of the game, the power roles are the fluff (especially in games like this one with only two power roles). Side note, I've been cop/tracker twice out of three previous games, and it hasn't been particularly enjoyable for me. VT is a much more enjoyable role IMO, less pressure and you can more freely speak your mind. It was to make a meta read on her and WarWaffle I only played 1 game with him and he seemed to be posting the same way he did in the last newbie game when he was Vet. Damdred's entrance post is all he got atm so I need to wait for a meta read on him. Although rsoultins only entrance was to vote you she didn't explain her reasoning for why she votign for you now. rsoultin welcome to the game now why calling BS on Tfrel's post? If it's a joke vote I can maybe understand but I don't see anything totally wrong with his vote except for the fact that gerpit had not posted yet so (shrugs) What's wrong with it is that the Trfel, before a single word was spoken...in fact practically the second the game started...decided to vote for someone because they are "intentionally playing bad". Not only has geript not posted at all in this thread, but Trfel himself has been very effective with quite minimal posts, and is usually very slow to vote or scumread people until he is sure. It may well be a pressure vote (the second the game started!) but not only is it more aggressive than I've come to expect from him, but his explanation is inherently false which he should know based on his own play in the last two games.Thus, BS meter. Why would scum put the spotlight on himself from the get go for no reason? Shit like this always looks bad but the underlying point ends up being that they don't give a fuck what they look like which is a townie trait because scum ALWAYS care what they look like due to their inherent feelings of guilt. Do you think Trfel is scum? Cause he is my biggest town read in the game so far. What does BS meter mean exactly? Why does Trefel's early vote fit with the mafia agenda? It means that his explanation does not line up with what I know of him. The vote I could really care less about. I think it's preemptive but not alignment indicative. His explanation for it directly contradicts the simple fact that Trfel plays effectively with a low post count, and LS is right in that I don't think I've ever seen him policy lynch. (Note that my vote never made it to the voting thread. I don't necessarily think he's scum but I want him to explain to me why the sudden near-180 in his play.) So you are saying he is being a hypocrite? How does that affect his alignment? Like can only scum be Hypocrites? If so, what is your rationale for that belief? It means that I don't think he actually believes what he is saying. That is different from being a hypocrite, and if true, would in fact make him scum. That's a really weird statement. On January 17 2015 13:17 rsoultin wrote:On January 17 2015 13:04 Breshke wrote:Soz had irl shit to do On January 17 2015 10:38 DarthPunk wrote:On January 17 2015 10:29 rsoultin wrote:On January 17 2015 10:24 LightningStrike wrote:On January 17 2015 10:17 Trfel wrote:
I'm back.
LightningStrike's play does seem rather weird so far. First he says that my early vote is scummy, and then says that it is towny. Regardless of whether my early vote was a good or bad play, LightningStrike's view changed on it after DarthPunk and LoneMeow expressed opinions that it was a slightly townie thing to do. And then, asking for rsoultin makes no sense at all. Why rsoultin? If it's to make a meta read, how about all of the rest of us he has played with before?
GlowingBear's opening seems pretty bad as well. In general I don't like claiming, since I feel that town players should simply play well to show that they are town (just like how I don't put very much focus on setups). Claim aside, why would he even sign up for the game if he doesn't want to play VT, the most common role? VT is the core of the game, the power roles are the fluff (especially in games like this one with only two power roles). Side note, I've been cop/tracker twice out of three previous games, and it hasn't been particularly enjoyable for me. VT is a much more enjoyable role IMO, less pressure and you can more freely speak your mind. It was to make a meta read on her and WarWaffle I only played 1 game with him and he seemed to be posting the same way he did in the last newbie game when he was Vet. Damdred's entrance post is all he got atm so I need to wait for a meta read on him. Although rsoultins only entrance was to vote you she didn't explain her reasoning for why she votign for you now. rsoultin welcome to the game now why calling BS on Tfrel's post? If it's a joke vote I can maybe understand but I don't see anything totally wrong with his vote except for the fact that gerpit had not posted yet so (shrugs) What's wrong with it is that the Trfel, before a single word was spoken...in fact practically the second the game started...decided to vote for someone because they are "intentionally playing bad". Not only has geript not posted at all in this thread, but Trfel himself has been very effective with quite minimal posts, and is usually very slow to vote or scumread people until he is sure. It may well be a pressure vote (the second the game started!) but not only is it more aggressive than I've come to expect from him, but his explanation is inherently false which he should know based on his own play in the last two games.Thus, BS meter. Why would scum put the spotlight on himself from the get go for no reason?Shit like this always looks bad but the underlying point ends up being that they don't give a fuck what they look like which is a townie trait because scum ALWAYS care what they look like due to their inherent feelings of guilt. Do you think Trfel is scum? Cause he is my biggest town read in the game so far. What does BS meter mean exactly? Why does Trefel's early vote fit with the mafia agenda? rsoultin do you disagree with the bolded question? I couldnt see if you have already answered it or not. I think DP is fairly spot on with trefel and i don't understand where you are coming from at all. Even if trefel is playing different it is possible to do that as town as well. So saying someone is playing different isn't a good enough reason to call them scum. Also GB can make that entrance post as a blue ,VT or scum so people looking into that post are going to go nowhere. I am not calling Trfel scum. I am questioning his intentions, because his first explanation did not jive. ^Next time someone asks me this I am going to flat-out quote this post of myself because I'm getting tired of answering it. I do not think there is actually any danger in the particular way he drew attention to himself if he is scum. ^Again, the next time someone asks me this I will quote this post. I don't really actually like this post at all. Moreso because the big Trfel case-post is like 90% on the first set of posts from Trfel which I don't find as being important at all. Like sure Trfel was bullshitting one way or another. Like I think I know why I was so meh about Rsoultin's case. It comes off as a Lynch all liars policy lynch which I find terribly awful. If all you're reading is the first part of my case, then I'd have to agree with you that it isn't strong. My gut feel on him from our first exchange was his posts were out-of-character. I'm not talking about a metaread here; I'm talking about the personality that I've come to associate with him. Trying to put that into words is hard. Please actually take the time to open the spoiler with his giant novel reads post and re-read it. I made comments directly into that post. Whether you agree with me or not, that is the main thrust of my case. No, other than the nul, null, null, type of stuff which is odd, I don't actually like your analysis at all there. I saw that stuff and that's a bit odd imo from Trfel, but I think my reasons on that same post are significantly better than yours. And I found reasons to both scumread and townread him from that post.
Believe what you will. I've made it clear why I think he's scum. If you don't like those reasons, that's fine, but tell me why I'm wrong if you really want to convince me not to lynch Trfel, not just that I'm bad.
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These are the people I think would be good lynches today. DP, I could maybe be convinced on LS. I'll look at him again tomorrow after sleep.
LoneMeow
TheShining
Jarjarbinks
Trfel
GlowingBear
I don't think I want to lynch Trfel today though. IDK, I'm just not sold on it yet. Rsoultin and thinking of JJB as slam-lite have me thinking I might not actually want to lynch JJB either. Shining, LM, GB just don't really feel like a mafia team to me though so I'm pretty sure there's at least 1 mafia in the people I'm townreading/don't want to lynch. Lurker Lynch is definitely LM. I think GB is a good lynch. I'm actually kinda convincing myself into a Shining lynch though. He's essentially a lurker with an odd post I don't find terribly towny with weird reasoning on JJB. He's also someone that's kinda been brought up in passing here or there but people overall seem less interested in scumreading him than LM who I think has been roughly equivalent for most of the game.
Anywho, I'll be around for a bit on my phone but am likely to head to bed soon as it's almost 3am. DP leave me notes/thoughts if you have anything specific you want to talk/think about. GB=Shining>LM for me right now.
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Answering This Question (from Geript, I can't seem to get the formatting right):
JJB you need to explain your thought process for the scumread on Cool here.
Sure. I'm used to as a player on this game so far getting discussed in long detail for a lot of posts I make. It was strange to me that he just moved on. I've seen myself in this game and the last one as an "easy target" that people could point the finger to if they wanted a mislynch. The first time I made a comment on that was my first response to him about low hanging fruit. I think I also agreed with someone else's comment along these lines.
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On January 18 2015 11:57 geript wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On January 18 2015 06:25 Trfel wrote:The way that LightningStrike played the start of this game still feels really weird to me. His thoughts seemed to be all over the place and his posting was somewhat random (particularly asking for rsoultin). However, since then he seems to have gained confidence and seems more towny. Especially after glancing through the scumgame he linked (yes I'm aware I played in that game, I wanted to look at it again anyway). LoneMeow seems very strange to me. At first I liked his questioning, and I still do, but all he has done is pick on people for small things. The one read he provided was at the request of GlowingBear. I know that LoneMeow is a very good player, and provides a lot of content without using a large number of posts, so I will wait for now.... but I am a bit suspicious. I don't see why coolTLname is being scumread right now. He hasn't done very much, but I like the catch on Damdred's scumread of The Shining. I also like the analysis of jarjarbinks. However, coolTLname, while post count and mafia are related, there are many other more important tells. For example, TheWarWaffle made maybe about 6 posts in all of Day 1 last game, and he was town. Meanwhile, Half the Sky made many posts, and she was scum. The main point against coolTLname is how he waited for GlowingBear to vote The Shining before he voted. However, assuming that coolTLname really is new to TL, this makes sense, since it is reasonable for a new player to wait and see how the veterans react to things they bring up. I know that I did this in my first game of TL mafia, and still do sometimes (I wait to see how the first few people react to my case before I vote, in case there is an obvious hole that I missed; perhaps as I improve more and become more confident I will vote without waiting for responses first). That doesn't mean that new players aren't expected to stand by their reads, but it is reasonable for them to look to veterans for leadership at times. (he was modkilled, but I will leave this paragraph in here anyway just because) I generally like the way that Damdred and GlowingBear have been playing so far. Their analysis shows that they are reading the thread and trying to scumhunt, as well as generating discussion. I did notice that GlowingBear provided a lot of comments on posts in the thread, and I liked those. However, he also provided overall reads, but didn't show why he made those reads (they also didn't necessarily align with the comments he provided). The recent vote on Breshke is a continuation of this. However, I'm sure either of them could play a very capable scum game as well. Not a good Day 1 lynch. DarthPunk is coming up null. I have been waiting for more posts from him to provide more thoughts, but since he hasn't posted in a while, I will share my thoughts now. I do like that he picked up on LightingStrike's weird play at the start of the game. That was the same feeling that I got. However, he hasn't done very much at all except for saying that my opening made it seem that I am town. My opening doesn't really say anything about my alignment for reasons previously stated by geript, however the way I followed it up is more important (more on this later). For the record, several of you seem to be familiar with DarthPunk's playstyle, and I am completely unfamiliar with it, so that doesn't help. Geript's first post seemed a bit towny, and his second post seemed a bit scummy (it seemed like a poor use of a post when you are limiting yourself to ten). That's one fewer post to use to push a lynch later. Overall, geript seems fine for now, and is probably a poor Day 1 lynch. Rsoultin and jarjar, you two need to talk so that jarjar feels comfortable with Day 1. That aside, while jarjar's opening post is pretty horrible, he has given some useful thoughts since then. As for rsoultin, I feel that her play lines up exactly with (my knowledge of) her town meta. I also liked the questioning that she used with regards to my opening. Still, I take note that jarjar said that she is capable of doing this as either alignment. One thing I did find really strange is that rsoultin provided her thoughts using a Damdred quote. I have no idea why she would do this except to compare opinions, but she didn't provide any thoughts on Damdred (I know their thoughts on other players were side by side, but still), and it gave the impression that her reads were less independent.
I do need to clarify that based on how last game (Newbie Mafia) went and my postgame discussions with GlowingBear, I have been trying a slightly different playstyle this game. My opening attempted to generate discussion, and a relatively large number of posts were made about it (the quality of the discussion it generated is more questionable, so perhaps it didn't work out as I intended). The reason I pushed that (false) viewpoint was because I wanted to get as much discussion from it as possible, which I believe I did. As for providing less content per post than in previous games, this is a conscious change I made after seeing how last game went. Brief summary of my play in last game: there wasn't much discussion on the first day, and I was busy, so I didn't share many thoughts or put in the effort that I wanted, and then I died. My death provided absolutely nothing for town to work with, since I hadn't shared any thoughts as they were not anywhere near conclusive. This game I am trying to share my thoughts more frequently to prevent something like that from happening again. The downside is that my posts will not contain as much quality content as I would like, but I believe that I have provided enough content. Everything I say is there for a reason (in the case of the coolTLname paragraph, the reason is because I don't want to delete it; not always the best reason, but whatever).
With that in mind, I will answer geript's question. Show nested quote +On January 17 2015 16:37 geript wrote:
3. @Trfel. Which, if any, of my reads do you disagree with and why? Additionally, are there any players or points that you think I've noticeably missed in my analysis? I (obviously) disagree with your read on me. I was intentionally being stubborn to argue with rsoultin and generate discussion, which (as I already stated) I think I was somewhat successful in. I was not so sure about your townread on LightningStrike at the time you made the post in question, but given some rereading and his posting since then, it seems reasonable. Rsoultin's play does seem towny so far, but he hasn't done anything that I couldn't see him doing as scum. I don't think that jarjar is a good lynch, however the reasons for that are mostly due to posts he made after you posted the read. If you have any questions, feel free to ask. Holy shit post. A few things in specific that I want to draw out: Show nested quote +On January 18 2015 06:25 Trfel wrote:
I generally like the way that Damdred and GlowingBear have been playing so far. Their analysis shows that they are reading the thread and trying to scumhunt, as well as generating discussion. I did notice that GlowingBear provided a lot of comments on posts in the thread, and I liked those. However, he also provided overall reads, but didn't show why he made those reads (they also didn't necessarily align with the comments he provided). The recent vote on Breshke is a continuation of this. However, I'm sure either of them could play a very capable scum game as well. Not a good Day 1 lynch. Coming from a reasonably logical player, follow the logic here: 1. GB has provided a number of overall reads 2. GB has given no reasons for those reads 3. GB's Breshke post is a direct continuation of #2 4. GB is not a good D1 lynch WTF????? Point 1 does not lead to Point 4 in any sort of way or means. Points 2 and 3 tend to lead to the exact opposite of Point 4. Show nested quote +On January 18 2015 06:25 Trfel wrote:
DarthPunk is coming up null. I have been waiting for more posts from him to provide more thoughts, but since he hasn't posted in a while, I will share my thoughts now. I do like that he picked up on LightingStrike's weird play at the start of the game. That was the same feeling that I got. However, he hasn't done very much at all except for saying that my opening made it seem that I am town. My opening doesn't really say anything about my alignment for reasons previously stated by geript, however the way I followed it up is more important (more on this later). For the record, several of you seem to be familiar with DarthPunk's playstyle, and I am completely unfamiliar with it, so that doesn't help. Second, I find the underlined to be exceptionally odd. DP picks up on something that Trfel picked up on; Trfel had the exact same feeling about it. Yet DP's alignment is completely null. Maybe I'm overestimating Trfel's ability here. The normal reaction to someone picking up on the exact same thing you are and feeling the exact same way you are about it 99% of the time leads to a same alignment read. For example, Show nested quote +X player is reading the game the exact same way I am. I am town. Therefore X player is likely to be town. is pretty standard and generally quite good reasoning for reading a player. Yet, Trfel's path leads him to try and find completely different reasons for reading DP. That's really weird. All that said, one shining star in this post is Trfel's approach to rsoultin and JJB. I actually really like it. I still think that Trfel has a decent chance of flipping mafia, but I don't think I want to lynch him on D1 for this. This isn't an approach that I think would be natural for mafia to make even for a player who I think is decent like Trfel. + Show Spoiler +On January 18 2015 08:38 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2015 08:28 rsoultin wrote:On January 18 2015 07:57 Trfel wrote:On January 18 2015 07:53 GlowingBear wrote:On January 18 2015 07:37 Trfel wrote:On January 18 2015 07:27 GlowingBear wrote:
War Waffle probably town Why do you say this? He is going against two vocal players, which is kinda a suicidal move for mafia to do. The only motive he has to do this is if his partners are in danger and he wants to push a mislynch. Which I doubt is the case. I suppose I can see this. At the same time, WarWaffle seemed to provide many more reads in the previous game. I know this game hasn't been going for as long yet, but there has been more posting here. And last game he had lots of time issues as well (I know he said he had some in this game, I think, but they should be less than last game). I am trying very hard to find reasons to town-read you this game, Trfel. This is simply untrue. :/ WW analyzed HTS' post and gave a list post on his reads Day 1 last game. It seems about the same to me, except WW actually questioned someone this game (LS). Considering there are still 24ish hours left for Day 1...dude, give me a reason to town-read you, please >< + Show Spoiler +On January 07 2015 04:51 TheWarWaffle wrote:
My apologies for the inactivity. I give no excuse other than the fact that my life is busy.
After reading the thread my current reads for the game are as follows:
The Shining: Town
The Shining has not posted all that much but the quality of posting changed drastically as soon as the game started. The Shining asks questions where they need to be asked and maintains a cordial aloofness towards everyone who is playing. No person is accused of anything without evidence.
Half the Sky: Town
HTS acts like a true townie. Says what she wants, when she wants to, to whomever she wants. At least, that's what she wants us to believe, but I don't have anything better at this time.
rsoultin: Suspicious
The accusation-train keeps on rolling whenever rsoultin is around. I find the similarities in play style to her previous games an indicator of deceit rather than openness. Rsoultin rolled Town in every other game she played like this, so why shouldn't she be Town now? I can't think of a better cover than this. Strangely, even though rsoultin admits that it's her "bias" to ignore inactives, she votes for me. This is strange for several reasons: I was inactive at the time she started my lynch wagon; she had previously agreed with my post on HTS; and there was no progression of thought as to why I was scum.
jarjarbinks: Light Town
Jarjarbinks' behavior sets off no alarm bells in my mind even though he lurks more than he posts. The posts he does make are normally short and succinct, and while many of his posts appear misleading at first, they work in the context. I think the only reason he is voting for me is because other people started the wagon.
Trfel: Unknown
As Trfel has posted effectively nothing indicating any affiliation, I must refrain from passing judgment on the hangman.
Gumdrop: Town
Gumdrop hasn't said much but from what was said I glean bits of Town. The reasons given for not posting more are adequate, and the type of posts implies a desire for something to happen, something the Mafia does not want. The posts that were made are logical and forward-thinking. A more Mafia-oriented lurker would post more misleading information.
Silverarte: Possible Mafia
The ease of which Silverarte hops aboard the bandwagon train is startling. Silverarte was leaning towards ExO_ and Gumdrop being scum, for the reasons of aggressive accusations and "posting and offering nothing" respectively. Somehow, both of these are forgotten as soon as she jumped on my vote bandwagon. For someone who admits she's new and even goes as far to use that as defense for gumdrop her voting for me makes no sense based on her previous actions. The previous existing relationship between Silverarte and rsoultin gives cause for the sudden change of thought, but even so...
ExO_: Light Town
My thoughts on ExO_ have flipped back and forth for some time now. Initially I thought he was town for being the only one willing to aggressively step and take affirmative action. After that, I thought he was scum for simply spreading accusations thin and putting a cloud of doubt over everyone, which is scum-like behavior. Though his disappearance is suspicious, it does not seem implicative.
-Celestial-: Town
-Celestial- maintains a consistent level of posts and explains his thoughts in a logical progression. I see no suspicious behavior, only a desire to understand and unearth new information.
LightningStrike: Suspicious/Unknown
I have my own reasons for being suspicious of LS, mainly due to the constant attempts to shift attention whenever the focus is on him.
Tubesock: Mafia
After looking at all of Tubesock's posts, I strongly believe that he is Mafia. His posts, while numerous, are short and always seem to detract from the conversation rather than add. Very few of the accusations presented by Tubesock are his; most are other people's regurgitated ideas. I think Tubesock's passive beginning was only due to the low amount of traffic it received, and that his "coming out of his shell" was him realizing that he could take advantage of it. Several times he has posted about the inactivity of the thread, which seems redundant when your very post makes it active. Tubesock only did this to make it look like he cares. A Mafia player wants there to be confusion, chaos, and distrust in the thread. Do Tubesock's actions create clear, organized discussion? I don't think so.
Currently, Tubesock has my vote. I'd like to hear other people's opinions as well. To me, that post seems much more comprehensive than the post in this game. I don't see your point. I could also understand where TheWarWaffle was coming from in that post, even though I disagreed with his reads. In this game, his logic doesn't make sense. He says that because GlowingBear and I did something towny, we have to be scum. Both GlowingBear and I have also asked questions and contributed to discussion (however effectively), so that is the other criteria he set for his townreads. Ignoring the early questioning, TheWarWaffle's play seems noticeably worse. It actually makes me tempted to lynch him, though as GlowingBear stated, coming in with two scumreads on reasonably active players doesn't make sense for mafia. I don't like that Trfel's calling himself and GB essentially towny here, but I do like that he's picking up on a similar thing that I was with WW. Maybe I've just been a bit confirmation biased about Trfel. + Show Spoiler +On January 18 2015 09:10 Trfel wrote:
I think that Damdred's action makes the most sense as a test. Damdred knows that he wouldn't be able to catch the three scum so early in the game, especially since one of them hadn't posted yet. He's a better player than that, we knows it, and he knows that we know it. I find it really hard to not scream SCUMSLIPSCUMSLIPSCUMSLIPSCUMSLIP. Please try to keep your post in context. I understand what you're saying here (regarding Damdred initial 3 scumreads) but please dear god don't post a phrase like "especially since on of [scum member] hadn't posted yet."
Beside the Rsoultin/JJB idea, which I like and feels towny, He picks up on something that I did about WW and he also correctly talks about a post in correct context. The last is the by far the weakest point. But he's obviously aware, following along, thinking logically. I might not agree with his reads obviously because I'm a super end-game boss, but that doesn't mean my reads are always perfect. I had JJB as mafia last game. I have no problem with both finding him scummy and not wanting to lynch him.
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Ok JJB, I've have 10 minutes left to live before the mafia day vigilante shoots me are you ready to play a game?
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I think I want to Lynch LightningStrike today.
On January 17 2015 07:32 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2015 07:28 DarthPunk wrote:
What does everyone think of Trfel after his weird vote on Geript?
This is the first time I seen him do policy lynching Day 1 so I have no idea if he's town or not based on meta alone.
This is a weird response to my question to the thread. Do you see me ask anything about Trfel's meta? Yet LS uses that as an excuse to avoid giving a response whilst giving a response.
When iw was asking that question of the thread I had a very specific response in mind, I wanted to see who had also town read trfel for that post so that I could see which players were on the same wavelength and therefore more likely to be town!bros with me in the future.
I state this to thread and then:
On January 17 2015 07:41 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2015 07:40 DarthPunk wrote:On January 17 2015 07:38 LightningStrike wrote:On January 17 2015 07:35 DarthPunk wrote:On January 17 2015 07:32 LightningStrike wrote:On January 17 2015 07:28 DarthPunk wrote:
What does everyone think of Trfel after his weird vote on Geript?
This is the first time I seen him do policy lynching Day 1 so I have no idea if he's town or not based on meta alone. Well I don't think you need to use meta especially on such a new player. To me it seemed like a very townie thing to do even though it was bad and wrong. Which newbie scum player is going to try and policy lynch a vet at the start of the game? Shows no fear of being controversial in the thread. Shit like that rarely happens for new scum players. Sorry to break it to you but Tfrel is not entirely new since he played 3 games with me with 1 of them me being scum and him town and the rest we were both town together so I know his town meta but this is something he never done at the opening of any of the games I played with him. LOL. Sorry to break it to you but 3 games is still new. Meh fair enough. What are your thoughts on Tfrels actions so far?
Wants to get my thoughts before giving his position shows a desire to follow thread sentiment rather than his own ideas and reads.
On January 17 2015 07:44 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2015 07:43 DarthPunk wrote:On January 17 2015 07:41 LightningStrike wrote:On January 17 2015 07:40 DarthPunk wrote:On January 17 2015 07:38 LightningStrike wrote:On January 17 2015 07:35 DarthPunk wrote:On January 17 2015 07:32 LightningStrike wrote:On January 17 2015 07:28 DarthPunk wrote:
What does everyone think of Trfel after his weird vote on Geript?
This is the first time I seen him do policy lynching Day 1 so I have no idea if he's town or not based on meta alone. Well I don't think you need to use meta especially on such a new player. To me it seemed like a very townie thing to do even though it was bad and wrong. Which newbie scum player is going to try and policy lynch a vet at the start of the game? Shows no fear of being controversial in the thread. Shit like that rarely happens for new scum players. Sorry to break it to you but Tfrel is not entirely new since he played 3 games with me with 1 of them me being scum and him town and the rest we were both town together so I know his town meta but this is something he never done at the opening of any of the games I played with him. LOL. Sorry to break it to you but 3 games is still new. Meh fair enough. What are your thoughts on Tfrels actions so far? Are you not reading the thread? I just said I thought it was townie. Like we were just talking about that. Ops I was just a little bit to tunneled on replying to you. I do agree his behavior is most likely town to policy lynch a vet player Day 1 but it not exactly good idea to do it (shurgs)
And then sheeps my read on Trefl despite only minutes earlier saying:
On January 17 2015 07:32 LightningStrike wrote:
This is the first time I seen him do policy lynching Day 1 so I have no idea if he's town or not based on meta alone.
Why did he not just say this immediately instead of saying nothing and discovering my position first? Because this read is not genuine. That is why.
On January 17 2015 10:51 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2015 10:45 jarjarbinks wrote:
WHAT THE HECK?! This game is WAY more exciting than my last game!
I propose a no lynch for day 1! Any followers? Did you just claim scum? I did this on my first scum game on Student IV............ I guess you only learn from the best. ##Vote:JarJarBinks
Don't like this vote jumping on something that is not really alignment indicative especially for a first post. This could be a newb move though.
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On January 17 2015 10:24 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2015 10:17 Trfel wrote:
I'm back.
LightningStrike's play does seem rather weird so far. First he says that my early vote is scummy, and then says that it is towny. Regardless of whether my early vote was a good or bad play, LightningStrike's view changed on it after DarthPunk and LoneMeow expressed opinions that it was a slightly townie thing to do. And then, asking for rsoultin makes no sense at all. Why rsoultin? If it's to make a meta read, how about all of the rest of us he has played with before?
GlowingBear's opening seems pretty bad as well. In general I don't like claiming, since I feel that town players should simply play well to show that they are town (just like how I don't put very much focus on setups). Claim aside, why would he even sign up for the game if he doesn't want to play VT, the most common role? VT is the core of the game, the power roles are the fluff (especially in games like this one with only two power roles). Side note, I've been cop/tracker twice out of three previous games, and it hasn't been particularly enjoyable for me. VT is a much more enjoyable role IMO, less pressure and you can more freely speak your mind. It was to make a meta read on her and WarWaffle I only played 1 game with him and he seemed to be posting the same way he did in the last newbie game when he was Vet. Damdred's entrance post is all he got atm so I need to wait for a meta read on him. Although rsoultins only entrance was to vote you she didn't explain her reasoning for why she votign for you now. rsoultin welcome to the game now why calling BS on Tfrel's post? If it's a joke vote I can maybe understand but I don't see anything totally wrong with his vote except for the fact that gerpit had not posted yet so (shrugs)
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On January 17 2015 07:38 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2015 07:35 DarthPunk wrote:On January 17 2015 07:32 LightningStrike wrote:On January 17 2015 07:28 DarthPunk wrote:
What does everyone think of Trfel after his weird vote on Geript?
This is the first time I seen him do policy lynching Day 1 so I have no idea if he's town or not based on meta alone. Well I don't think you need to use meta especially on such a new player. To me it seemed like a very townie thing to do even though it was bad and wrong. Which newbie scum player is going to try and policy lynch a vet at the start of the game? Shows no fear of being controversial in the thread. Shit like that rarely happens for new scum players. Sorry to break it to you but Tfrel is not entirely new since he played 3 games with me with 1 of them me being scum and him town and the rest we were both town together so I know his town meta but this is something he never done at the opening of any of the games I played with him.
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On January 17 2015 12:03 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2015 11:56 Damdred wrote:
Ls might be scum gotta look on him, him asking for a meta read on me is strange I think if I'm understanding it since we've played a good 3-5 games together I think.
We will be lynching day one and might be jarjar today I was just stating what I was getting knowing your meta but at the time you had just 1 post and it wasn't really alignment indicative. Also I only played with you on 3 complete games (Student IV when I Was scum you town, Carol both of us as town, Metal Mini both of us as town).
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On January 17 2015 23:55 LightningStrike wrote:Okay I just woke up and ofc Damdred calling me scum and so is GB but the funny thing is that Damdred did play with me when I was scum and him town so he should remember how my scum play was considering that my team was mostly lurkers (Slam/Hopeless, meatpudding). On the other hand GB never played with me when I was scum so I can give him that excuse so here my scum game filter so can get a bit familar with my scum play: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/471489-student-mafia-iv-new-newish-players-welcome?user=LightningStrikeAlso I can explain my post about that post geript: It was because I wanting to meta read her and at the time resoultin didn't enter into the thread that's all. @coolTLname my issue with JarJar's opening is mainly because meta wise he was a big numbers guy in the newbie game and him to suggest no lynch would be a bad idea for his numbers that like to use and I did use that same type of opening when I was scum (click the link in this post) so I can see him more likely than not.
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On January 18 2015 09:17 LightningStrike wrote:Guys since the other game just ended + Show Spoiler +In a town lost when I the vig T_T I can finally put my case on Breshke being scum! Okay first off he been extremely lurky this game and doesn't seem interested in looking for scum plus when he is town he usually try to lead the town and he not which is a trait he has scum as seen in both of these games when he was scum Scum Game 1: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/473002-metal-mini-mafia?user=breshkeScum Game 2: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/474389-new-years-eve-party-mini-mafia?user=BreshkeNow aside from in real life stuff going on for him, the posts he made are quite similar to how he posted in both these games that I linked to and these were his only scum games I played with him being scum I going to have say he got to be scum and funny enough he rolled 3 times a row with me being in the same game! ##Vote: Breshke
Where he waffles about past games and peoples META stupidly whilst avoiding posting actual constructive things about what is happening in this game right now.
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On January 17 2015 12:21 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2015 12:04 Damdred wrote:
Kk so its three.
Tell me where you are at in the game this second Ls.
RS its possible but voting feript out is like an rng lynch it can hit scum but who knows. Do you mean my reads atm? If so here are my reads for the time Town: rsoultin: She been pressuring Tfrel about the policy lynching geript with some good questiong to Tfrel. Tfrel: The early vote on geript since the opening of the game is more likely to come from a townie than a scum player although it's a odd entrance by his own meta but town for now. DarthPunk: Questioning me and rsoultin decently about the early parts of the game. GlowingBear: He hard claimed Vanilla Town with absolutely no pressure at all although it's bad play but why would scum claim VT with no pressure on them? Need more posts to figure out alignments: coolTLname: No posts so far as far as I remember. Breshke: No posts from him so far. LoneMeow: Need more posts from him other than the questions towards me asking why I wanted to talk to rsoultin out of all of the lurkers. geript: No posts so far but in pregame he said he only posting 10 posts per Day phase 5 per Night phase so will see how it goes for now. The Shining: No posts yet in the game. TheWarWaffle: Only making the 1 post referencing I wasn't really in your face type of style in the newbie but didn't make post after that. Scum: JarJarBinks: For being a numbers type of guy in the newbie game and him asking for a No Lynch pretty much him claiming scum.
Is literally his best post in the game.
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I still have no idea how the fuck people are town reading this guy but I choose to blame geript.
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