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On January 27 2015 12:11 Breshke wrote:
DP why do you not see a scum team with me not in it?
Cause:
Geript is town and Damdred looks townie whenever he tries. Day one and Last lynch.
I think the Vote yesterday was scum/town due to weird lynch inertia and the vote being so closely contested.
You conveniently afk'd from two lynches and were there just before the lynch of LM before disappearing again as noted by geript.
Rso - Shining whilst possible doesn't make as much sense due to the way Rso refused to swap her vote to you yesterday which, if she is scum and you are town is a completely arbitary decision.
ALSO
Your play changed weirdly at mylo.[/QUOTE]
On January 27 2015 12:55 Breshke wrote:
I wasn't around for like over 12 hours before the LM lynch i don't know if you are flat out lieing or are just mistaken you might want to go look.
Geript pointed out that it was weird you were not around when you were around before that is when the lynch was happening. Regardless that phone thing is some bullshit. You said your phone died. That looked really unlikely, then you made up some story about your phone overheating and suddenly draining all the battery, something I have never ever in my life heard of.
So yeah you not being around at lynches and mysteriously disappearing is scummy.
On January 27 2015 12:55 Breshke wrote:
Explain the weird inertia? How would that lynch have been different if it was town/town?
Doesn't make sense for mafia to try and switch the lynch off an easy mislynch like LM, there seemed to be ALOT of resistance to lynching you instead of LM even if some of it was passive resistance indicating scum had a vested interest in ensuring the lynch of someone which is reflected in the votes. If town/town scum are 1000% more likely to just afk their vote on LM because it doesn't give any info to the town.
There was no reason for damdred or geript to move lynches as scum.
If the vote was town/town I would expect there to have been a more one sided vote count or many votes spread around.[/QUOTE]
On January 27 2015 12:55 Breshke wrote:
Also how is my play different?
Different tone, hard buddying Rso, more invested than previously, Soft pushing me without ever calling me out. Not really pushing a scum read at all, rather pushing a no lynch despite really thinking through what is happening in the game.
On January 27 2015 12:55 Breshke wrote:
Stop calling me scum for things and not explaining them
I explained my read on you in my case on you. Also due to POE it is unlikely you are not in one of my two scum teams
which are:
Breshke - Rso
Breske - Shining.
Also you and Rso keep trying to chainsaw defend one another which makes things pretty obvious. Like you are outing yourselves this mylo badly.
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On January 21 2015 09:08 geript wrote:
Like JJB literally just was 100% wrong. Damdred never really heavily pushed JJB. He procrastinates on reading him for like half the day then lackadaisically tells people to vote for him. Like there's never even a good reason for Damdred to even say the shit he is other than his flipfloppery on GB (town-mafia-town).
Plus JJB is literally claiming mafia with Damdred. Idk. I'll think about this more but I can't fathom a reason JJB says anything like that as town.
In the least, we lynch Trfel and have more time to think about it.
##vote Trfel
That's interesting. Why you said that and came to the conclusion that it seemed more scummy on JJB's part than Damdred's is weird, though. Course...my brother makes really strange comments sometimes.
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The thing about the chainsaw is thought that generally 2 new mafia don't hard defend each other like that though. Like I get why strategically they could, but it's part of why i kinda prefer Shining over rsoul but like I really feel after reading so many other games and doing so much other shit I figure I'm more likely to be wrong on Damdred/DP than I am otherwise and I just can't really find any shit to go for my crazy town theory.
I mean, I didn't like that you (DP) pushed away my early push on Trfel but meh fcuk it.
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On January 27 2015 15:54 geript wrote:Show nested quote +On January 27 2015 15:48 rsoultin wrote:
What changed your read on Damdred, geript? You seemed to be scumming him all the way up to shennanies. Reading his filter and past games filters and doing an 8 game meta on him at least half of which were games I've played in.
And...why do you think he's town? You already explained Breshke's meta points.
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Damdred? Because his mafia games and town games are actually somewhat different. He has better points as town generally, and as mafia he's kinda wtf ever. He's a bit more passive and as soon as mafia is thrown on me he's all over it and pushes it to hell because he knows that he does that as town all the time. It's lots of little random stuff. But if he's mafia, I'm pretty sure I found a really, really random way to read him.
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On January 27 2015 16:09 geript wrote:
Damdred? Because his mafia games and town games are actually somewhat different. He has better points as town generally, and as mafia he's kinda wtf ever. He's a bit more passive and as soon as mafia is thrown on me he's all over it and pushes it to hell because he knows that he does that as town all the time. It's lots of little random stuff. But if he's mafia, I'm pretty sure I found a really, really random way to read him.
He used mostly my points when he was scumming you. I don't know if you noticed.
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Okay, so actually you're right, it doesn't look like you ever really had DP as null, just found his changing reasons for townreading trfel curious. Disregard that question.
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A thought occurred to me.
DP...if I say "I'm not interested in moving off my top scumread when he's set for lynch" why the shenannies?
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Yah, initially I was really unsure where to put DP. Because it was either a really bad potentially scumbuddy partner he's townreading or he really believes it. Like, I just don't really see a world where only 1 of DP/Damdred is mafia. Maybe possible, but like the only situation it could be would be with Shining. But that's pretty piss poor. Plus like not killing me, not really ever being in any way remotely close to considering me as mafia. Like some of the eod switches are a bit odd, but he's literally done that a bunch as town. Like the last game when people really wanted to lynch me he literally told them to go fuck themselves and called them bad for lynching me on D2. Like ever since we became butt buddies on VS (after the OMGUS game) we've found ways to read each other right. Plus, like he's realized that while I'm not always right I do make some really good reads pretty consistently. Plus, honestly, like me pushing on Breshke was more on him. So there's that.
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On January 27 2015 16:03 geript wrote:
The thing about the chainsaw is thought that generally 2 new mafia don't hard defend each other like that though. Like I get why strategically they could, but it's part of why i kinda prefer Shining over rsoul but like I really feel after reading so many other games and doing so much other shit I figure I'm more likely to be wrong on Damdred/DP than I am otherwise and I just can't really find any shit to go for my crazy town theory.
I mean, I didn't like that you (DP) pushed away my early push on Trfel but meh fcuk it.
I thought he was newbie town. If someone does that again I will town read them for it again. It is a basic heuristic that I have used for ages.
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On January 27 2015 16:29 rsoultin wrote:
A thought occurred to me.
DP...if I say "I'm not interested in moving off my top scumread when he's set for lynch" why the shenannies?
There are other people in this game and I didn't want you to lynch a town read of mine.
Like do you think just because you decided that is what's gonna happen?
lol.
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On January 27 2015 16:29 geript wrote:
Yah, initially I was really unsure where to put DP. Because it was either a really bad potentially scumbuddy partner he's townreading or he really believes it. Like, I just don't really see a world where only 1 of DP/Damdred is mafia. Maybe possible, but like the only situation it could be would be with Shining. But that's pretty piss poor. Plus like not killing me, not really ever being in any way remotely close to considering me as mafia. Like some of the eod switches are a bit odd, but he's literally done that a bunch as town. Like the last game when people really wanted to lynch me he literally told them to go fuck themselves and called them bad for lynching me on D2. Like ever since we became butt buddies on VS (after the OMGUS game) we've found ways to read each other right. Plus, like he's realized that while I'm not always right I do make some really good reads pretty consistently. Plus, honestly, like me pushing on Breshke was more on him. So there's that.
Yeah, your filter wasn't bad. The two lists thing was weird. The reaction to the red-check, but you did say you were sick I guess. A couple other things, like the breshke lynch on the phone point. I think it's strange you don't really doubt DP much but then, y'all think it's strange I can scumread Trfel so quickly, and townread my "slam-lite" brother.
Speaking of Breshke. Rereading his filter. Most of it is from today. Don't know if that means anything. He did buddy up to me pretty good, but the only way I can see a Breshke/Shining scumteam is if they both went yolo and AFKd it and didn't realize Bresh was in trouble.
Seems...unlikely.
I know it's not as easy to see from my perspective because I could be the most profilically posting newbie scum evar, but if it's not bresh and me, not bresh and shining, and i'm not really seeing any big reasons to think you're scum, either...it's shining and one of your townreads or Damdred and DP together. Bresh made an interesting point about you not going for the easy lynches back when JJB was scumming you.
Damdred has scumread some harder people to lynch. Trfel at the time (well I know it), you, me...but when it comes right down to it he's only been pursuing the easy ones. LM. JJB. Breshke when Breshke is AFK.
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On January 27 2015 16:38 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On January 27 2015 16:29 rsoultin wrote:
A thought occurred to me.
DP...if I say "I'm not interested in moving off my top scumread when he's set for lynch" why the shenannies? There are other people in this game and I didn't want you to lynch a town read of mine. Like do you think just because you decided that is what's gonna happen? lol.
I think when there are noticeably not enough people actively in the thread to change the outcome unless I change my mind -shrugs-
I mean, the results of the lynch speak for themselves. Unless one of the AFKers returned.
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On January 27 2015 16:47 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On January 27 2015 16:29 geript wrote:
Yah, initially I was really unsure where to put DP. Because it was either a really bad potentially scumbuddy partner he's townreading or he really believes it. Like, I just don't really see a world where only 1 of DP/Damdred is mafia. Maybe possible, but like the only situation it could be would be with Shining. But that's pretty piss poor. Plus like not killing me, not really ever being in any way remotely close to considering me as mafia. Like some of the eod switches are a bit odd, but he's literally done that a bunch as town. Like the last game when people really wanted to lynch me he literally told them to go fuck themselves and called them bad for lynching me on D2. Like ever since we became butt buddies on VS (after the OMGUS game) we've found ways to read each other right. Plus, like he's realized that while I'm not always right I do make some really good reads pretty consistently. Plus, honestly, like me pushing on Breshke was more on him. So there's that. Yeah, your filter wasn't bad. The two lists thing was weird. The reaction to the red-check, but you did say you were sick I guess. A couple other things, like the breshke lynch on the phone point. I think it's strange you don't really doubt DP much but then, y'all think it's strange I can scumread Trfel so quickly, and townread my "slam-lite" brother. Speaking of Breshke. Rereading his filter. Most of it is from today. Don't know if that means anything. He did buddy up to me pretty good, but the only way I can see a Breshke/Shining scumteam is if they both went yolo and AFKd it and didn't realize Bresh was in trouble. Seems...unlikely. I know it's not as easy to see from my perspective because I could be the most profilically posting newbie scum evar, but if it's not bresh and me, not bresh and shining, and i'm not really seeing any big reasons to think you're scum, either...it's shining and one of your townreads or Damdred and DP together. Bresh made an interesting point about you not going for the easy lynches back when JJB was scumming you. Damdred has scumread some harder people to lynch. Trfel at the time (well I know it), you, me...but when it comes right down to it he's only been pursuing the easy ones. LM. JJB. Breshke when Breshke is AFK.
Like I really don't get why anybody didn't expect a CC from somewhere there. Like mafia have to be really bad or have no balls to not CC something on D2. Like it's really, really trash play generally there. Like I can't see DP not yolo claiming there to get like JJB lynched or something. IDK if Damdred would but meh.
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Bresh, this bugged me about you the first time I saw it, too:
Why of all things in the entire game when you first came in did you pick out me pushing Trfel? It's not so much that you shouldn't have cause it was very noticeable, but you didn't actually comment on or notice anything else until you came back a great while later.
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On January 27 2015 16:55 geript wrote:Show nested quote +On January 27 2015 16:47 rsoultin wrote:On January 27 2015 16:29 geript wrote:
Yah, initially I was really unsure where to put DP. Because it was either a really bad potentially scumbuddy partner he's townreading or he really believes it. Like, I just don't really see a world where only 1 of DP/Damdred is mafia. Maybe possible, but like the only situation it could be would be with Shining. But that's pretty piss poor. Plus like not killing me, not really ever being in any way remotely close to considering me as mafia. Like some of the eod switches are a bit odd, but he's literally done that a bunch as town. Like the last game when people really wanted to lynch me he literally told them to go fuck themselves and called them bad for lynching me on D2. Like ever since we became butt buddies on VS (after the OMGUS game) we've found ways to read each other right. Plus, like he's realized that while I'm not always right I do make some really good reads pretty consistently. Plus, honestly, like me pushing on Breshke was more on him. So there's that. Yeah, your filter wasn't bad. The two lists thing was weird. The reaction to the red-check, but you did say you were sick I guess. A couple other things, like the breshke lynch on the phone point. I think it's strange you don't really doubt DP much but then, y'all think it's strange I can scumread Trfel so quickly, and townread my "slam-lite" brother. Speaking of Breshke. Rereading his filter. Most of it is from today. Don't know if that means anything. He did buddy up to me pretty good, but the only way I can see a Breshke/Shining scumteam is if they both went yolo and AFKd it and didn't realize Bresh was in trouble. Seems...unlikely. I know it's not as easy to see from my perspective because I could be the most profilically posting newbie scum evar, but if it's not bresh and me, not bresh and shining, and i'm not really seeing any big reasons to think you're scum, either...it's shining and one of your townreads or Damdred and DP together. Bresh made an interesting point about you not going for the easy lynches back when JJB was scumming you. Damdred has scumread some harder people to lynch. Trfel at the time (well I know it), you, me...but when it comes right down to it he's only been pursuing the easy ones. LM. JJB. Breshke when Breshke is AFK. Like I really don't get why anybody didn't expect a CC from somewhere there. Like mafia have to be really bad or have no balls to not CC something on D2. Like it's really, really trash play generally there. Like I can't see DP not yolo claiming there to get like JJB lynched or something. IDK if Damdred would but meh.
This argument I've never really understood from you. Semi-open, maybe, but 2 power roles is 2 power roles. A CC just as a cop comes out with a red check...I mean if town is logical they still lynch the red check. I know JJB is an insanely easy mislynch cause he's a jokester and I don't think he actually connects his thoughts when he posts...but if the red check goes through...
Then I at least would be wondering why a player chose that moment to come out with their claim. To cast suspicion on the red check? At best they get JJB mislynched first, but that's a guaranteed second scum Day 4. I personally don't see how it would be worth the risk.
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EBWOP:
I was actually expecting a CC, tbh. And was prepared to be highly skeptical of it, too, however logically I can see why scum would choose not to with a real cop and a real red check, they were already losing one scum for sure.
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Eh, maybe it's not the best reason to town and scumread people, but Shining isn't going for the easy lynches in LS or JJB either when I'm reading his filter. He factored in their play last game and didn't want to make the same mistakes. That seems townie from my perspective.
His posts are painful though, especially this late at night -_-
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So you don;t understand why geript said he didn;t understand why nobody cc'd and you don;t get that but you also expected a CC?
Anyway geript you need to lynch breshke with me or explain to me who is in scumteam without breshke and how. I don't want a last minute wagon that would be retarded. at mylo.
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