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On December 28 2014 13:06 Trfel wrote:
I love how this game turned in to a huge 20 player game while starting out as a mini.
/obs
Have fun everyone!
Why not /in?
Odd numbers are way better for balance anyway.
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On December 29 2014 05:45 Trfel wrote:
Sure, it would be great to shadow someone. Though I don't really know how it works.
If I end up shadowing someone, I should be removed from the obs list, then.
As long as you swear not to write any awesome cases for the person you're shadowing...
edit especially if they're about me
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On December 30 2014 04:25 GlowingBear wrote:Damdy, you'll probably be as good as me as a coach. But you can't deny that there are better suited players here to coach the newbies (Artanis; marv, JAT). You still very good bby  Rsoultin, I'm completely okay. Go TEAMbear!!
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It starts in 4 hours right? Or do we need ppl to sign up still?
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On December 31 2014 18:41 Palmar wrote:
Morning.
Good morning
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On December 31 2014 18:53 Palmar wrote:
Should I be sheeping you on geript batsnacks?
Sure why not?
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Has anyone played with DrH before? Is this normal?
I feel like I would be more likely to vote TheChyz if DrH wasn't pushing him.
The thread is about 30 pages long. DrH has about about a 5 page filter, of which ~90% of his filter is tunneling TheChyz.
So ~16% of the game is DrH tunneling TheChyz.
First, I think that's way too much focus on a single person in a 20 person game. DrH is the only person voting TheChyz, and I haven't heard anyone say "I agree with your case DrH," so he's obviously not reaching people.
Second, this post is really townie imo:
On January 01 2015 03:52 TheChyz wrote:
I'm having some trouble with koshi after thinking it some. Basically once koshi started defending me, thats mostly all that koshi has contributed to the thread. Just talks about me being town and dr.H being wrong in his read. Like the first time seeing it it felt fine but the longer this game goes, that is all that koshi has been really on. Nothing much else apart from saying "this person is fine, these people are on my scum list, etc". I haven't really felt like I have gotten anything from koshi.
And his read on me just seems to good to not have a decent enough read on somebody else. Again I don't get why a scum would poke their head out this early to defend a lynch that doesn't have traction yet but the longer he does it the more it seems like koshi just knows im town but hasn't added too much to the thread other than that. Just seems suspicious to me.
So I think my conclusion would be that DrH's tunnel is not helping town.
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It isn't even my birthday wtf TL
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I think robik is mafia. Here is my lame meta read:
Town robik is usually enthusiastic about playing at the start of games and is quick to form reads and call people out.
He's usually really loud about the fact that he's town (as both alignments) and says it over and over again "I'm town you suck." He did that a little bit this game.
Scum robik, i.e. Robik in this game, is obviously in the thread and is responding when his name gets called, but he lacks reads and is not passionate about solving people's alignments. He is only passionate about talking about him.
And this scummy too:
On January 01 2015 05:59 IAmRobik wrote:
I kinda wanna lynch TheChyz to see if DrH is right
##vote: IAmRobik
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On January 01 2015 06:04 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On January 01 2015 06:02 batsnacks wrote:Has anyone played with DrH before? Is this normal? I feel like I would be more likely to vote TheChyz if DrH wasn't pushing him. The thread is about 30 pages long. DrH has about about a 5 page filter, of which ~90% of his filter is tunneling TheChyz. So ~16% of the game is DrH tunneling TheChyz. First, I think that's way too much focus on a single person in a 20 person game. DrH is the only person voting TheChyz, and I haven't heard anyone say "I agree with your case DrH," so he's obviously not reaching people. Second, this post is really townie imo: On January 01 2015 03:52 TheChyz wrote:
I'm having some trouble with koshi after thinking it some. Basically once koshi started defending me, thats mostly all that koshi has contributed to the thread. Just talks about me being town and dr.H being wrong in his read. Like the first time seeing it it felt fine but the longer this game goes, that is all that koshi has been really on. Nothing much else apart from saying "this person is fine, these people are on my scum list, etc". I haven't really felt like I have gotten anything from koshi.
And his read on me just seems to good to not have a decent enough read on somebody else. Again I don't get why a scum would poke their head out this early to defend a lynch that doesn't have traction yet but the longer he does it the more it seems like koshi just knows im town but hasn't added too much to the thread other than that. Just seems suspicious to me.
So I think my conclusion would be that DrH's tunnel is not helping town. Did you figure all this out on your own? Or did you just read the thread and saw that everyone has been saying this for ages now?
Yes I did all the math myself too.
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On January 01 2015 06:17 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On January 01 2015 06:15 batsnacks wrote:On January 01 2015 06:04 justanothertownie wrote:On January 01 2015 06:02 batsnacks wrote:Has anyone played with DrH before? Is this normal? I feel like I would be more likely to vote TheChyz if DrH wasn't pushing him. The thread is about 30 pages long. DrH has about about a 5 page filter, of which ~90% of his filter is tunneling TheChyz. So ~16% of the game is DrH tunneling TheChyz. First, I think that's way too much focus on a single person in a 20 person game. DrH is the only person voting TheChyz, and I haven't heard anyone say "I agree with your case DrH," so he's obviously not reaching people. Second, this post is really townie imo: On January 01 2015 03:52 TheChyz wrote:
I'm having some trouble with koshi after thinking it some. Basically once koshi started defending me, thats mostly all that koshi has contributed to the thread. Just talks about me being town and dr.H being wrong in his read. Like the first time seeing it it felt fine but the longer this game goes, that is all that koshi has been really on. Nothing much else apart from saying "this person is fine, these people are on my scum list, etc". I haven't really felt like I have gotten anything from koshi.
And his read on me just seems to good to not have a decent enough read on somebody else. Again I don't get why a scum would poke their head out this early to defend a lynch that doesn't have traction yet but the longer he does it the more it seems like koshi just knows im town but hasn't added too much to the thread other than that. Just seems suspicious to me.
So I think my conclusion would be that DrH's tunnel is not helping town. Did you figure all this out on your own? Or did you just read the thread and saw that everyone has been saying this for ages now? Yes I did all the math myself too. wow
Actually I used google calculator for the math. So technically I didn't do it all myself.
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On January 01 2015 06:23 sicklucker wrote:
Bats who was your first random vote before robik
My filter isn't even 1 page yo
And I never actually voted. I just typed ##vote: geript in the thread and posted it.
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Mr DrH what do you think about this:
First TheChyz posts this:
On January 01 2015 01:58 TheChyz wrote:
I don't like how koshi entered the thread. But afterwards he makes a decent defense of me and seems to be able to make a coherent read on me. I don't see a point to defend me as scum so early on with little votes and as such that leans town to me.
I don't see where people are getting this geript thing. If someone can enlighten me but I liked his intros into the thread, nothing amazing but better than the other fluff people were posting. Later on he has seem to slacked off a bit but other than not seeming to scum hunt as much as I'm used he doesn't seem scummy. null for me. Maybe you guys know him better than I and have a bad feeling but I don't see anything conclusive.
I don't like lazer atm. He hasn't really done any scum hunting this game and is rehashing old stuff and using it again. The read on robik is w/e. Robik has done nothing except "activity" posts so obv that doesn't look good as town. However him making a read on those 2 robik posts and having nothing on anybody else apart from me doesn't sit right. His case on me can be thought of both ways and as such is pointless. Basically his reasoning is if I was scum and was asked to push my thoughts I would. But the same case can be made of me as town. I don't like his play atm and want more from him.
##Vote: Lazermonkey
And he earned town points for it:
On January 01 2015 02:02 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
I kinda like how paranoid Chyz is being.
On January 01 2015 02:03 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Like, everyone's jumping down on his throat and he starts his post with "I don't like how Koshi entered the thread" which is pretty much the only person that really defended him.
Then later he posts this:
On January 01 2015 03:52 TheChyz wrote:
I'm having some trouble with koshi after thinking it some. Basically once koshi started defending me, thats mostly all that koshi has contributed to the thread. Just talks about me being town and dr.H being wrong in his read. Like the first time seeing it it felt fine but the longer this game goes, that is all that koshi has been really on. Nothing much else apart from saying "this person is fine, these people are on my scum list, etc". I haven't really felt like I have gotten anything from koshi.
And his read on me just seems to good to not have a decent enough read on somebody else. Again I don't get why a scum would poke their head out this early to defend a lynch that doesn't have traction yet but the longer he does it the more it seems like koshi just knows im town but hasn't added too much to the thread other than that. Just seems suspicious to me.
And gets more town points:
On January 01 2015 04:00 Eden1892 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 01 2015 03:52 TheChyz wrote:
I'm having some trouble with koshi after thinking it some. Basically once koshi started defending me, thats mostly all that koshi has contributed to the thread. Just talks about me being town and dr.H being wrong in his read. Like the first time seeing it it felt fine but the longer this game goes, that is all that koshi has been really on. Nothing much else apart from saying "this person is fine, these people are on my scum list, etc". I haven't really felt like I have gotten anything from koshi.
And his read on me just seems to good to not have a decent enough read on somebody else. Again I don't get why a scum would poke their head out this early to defend a lynch that doesn't have traction yet but the longer he does it the more it seems like koshi just knows im town but hasn't added too much to the thread other than that. Just seems suspicious to me.
I really like this post for town. You know the old tell about forgiving your attacker that mafia tend to do, because they know the person attacking them is right and they would rather defuse the threat with kindness and cordiality instead of trying to engage someone they know is right? It's the opposite here. I feel like attacking your forgiver is a good town tell. Mafia don't turn around and get after people who are defending them, and doubly so if they're actually under some significant suspicion. Mafia do numbers-crunching and try to see how many people they can keep on their side and don't try to attack people defending them to gain town credit. It just doesn't make sense. I feel better about Chyz for this post
Do you think TheChyz is intentionally rehashing the koshi read to gain town points?
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Maybe intentionally is the wrong word
Do you think TheChyz is strategically rehashing the koshi read to gain town points?
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On January 01 2015 06:47 geript wrote:Show nested quote +On January 01 2015 06:44 batsnacks wrote:Mr DrH what do you think about this: First TheChyz posts this: On January 01 2015 01:58 TheChyz wrote:
I don't like how koshi entered the thread. But afterwards he makes a decent defense of me and seems to be able to make a coherent read on me. I don't see a point to defend me as scum so early on with little votes and as such that leans town to me.
I don't see where people are getting this geript thing. If someone can enlighten me but I liked his intros into the thread, nothing amazing but better than the other fluff people were posting. Later on he has seem to slacked off a bit but other than not seeming to scum hunt as much as I'm used he doesn't seem scummy. null for me. Maybe you guys know him better than I and have a bad feeling but I don't see anything conclusive.
I don't like lazer atm. He hasn't really done any scum hunting this game and is rehashing old stuff and using it again. The read on robik is w/e. Robik has done nothing except "activity" posts so obv that doesn't look good as town. However him making a read on those 2 robik posts and having nothing on anybody else apart from me doesn't sit right. His case on me can be thought of both ways and as such is pointless. Basically his reasoning is if I was scum and was asked to push my thoughts I would. But the same case can be made of me as town. I don't like his play atm and want more from him.
##Vote: Lazermonkey And he earned town points for it: On January 01 2015 02:02 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
I kinda like how paranoid Chyz is being. On January 01 2015 02:03 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Like, everyone's jumping down on his throat and he starts his post with "I don't like how Koshi entered the thread" which is pretty much the only person that really defended him. Then later he posts this: On January 01 2015 03:52 TheChyz wrote:
I'm having some trouble with koshi after thinking it some. Basically once koshi started defending me, thats mostly all that koshi has contributed to the thread. Just talks about me being town and dr.H being wrong in his read. Like the first time seeing it it felt fine but the longer this game goes, that is all that koshi has been really on. Nothing much else apart from saying "this person is fine, these people are on my scum list, etc". I haven't really felt like I have gotten anything from koshi.
And his read on me just seems to good to not have a decent enough read on somebody else. Again I don't get why a scum would poke their head out this early to defend a lynch that doesn't have traction yet but the longer he does it the more it seems like koshi just knows im town but hasn't added too much to the thread other than that. Just seems suspicious to me.
And gets more town points: On January 01 2015 04:00 Eden1892 wrote:On January 01 2015 03:52 TheChyz wrote:
I'm having some trouble with koshi after thinking it some. Basically once koshi started defending me, thats mostly all that koshi has contributed to the thread. Just talks about me being town and dr.H being wrong in his read. Like the first time seeing it it felt fine but the longer this game goes, that is all that koshi has been really on. Nothing much else apart from saying "this person is fine, these people are on my scum list, etc". I haven't really felt like I have gotten anything from koshi.
And his read on me just seems to good to not have a decent enough read on somebody else. Again I don't get why a scum would poke their head out this early to defend a lynch that doesn't have traction yet but the longer he does it the more it seems like koshi just knows im town but hasn't added too much to the thread other than that. Just seems suspicious to me.
I really like this post for town. You know the old tell about forgiving your attacker that mafia tend to do, because they know the person attacking them is right and they would rather defuse the threat with kindness and cordiality instead of trying to engage someone they know is right? It's the opposite here. I feel like attacking your forgiver is a good town tell. Mafia don't turn around and get after people who are defending them, and doubly so if they're actually under some significant suspicion. Mafia do numbers-crunching and try to see how many people they can keep on their side and don't try to attack people defending them to gain town credit. It just doesn't make sense. I feel better about Chyz for this post
Do you think TheChyz is intentionally rehashing the koshi read to gain town points? Crackpot theory
Shh I wasn't asking you.
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Okay now that we have DrH's thoughts I will share my thoughts:
First TheChyz posts this:
On January 01 2015 01:58 TheChyz wrote:
I don't like how koshi entered the thread. But afterwards he makes a decent defense of me and seems to be able to make a coherent read on me. I don't see a point to defend me as scum so early on with little votes and as such that leans town to me.
I don't see where people are getting this geript thing. If someone can enlighten me but I liked his intros into the thread, nothing amazing but better than the other fluff people were posting. Later on he has seem to slacked off a bit but other than not seeming to scum hunt as much as I'm used he doesn't seem scummy. null for me. Maybe you guys know him better than I and have a bad feeling but I don't see anything conclusive.
I don't like lazer atm. He hasn't really done any scum hunting this game and is rehashing old stuff and using it again. The read on robik is w/e. Robik has done nothing except "activity" posts so obv that doesn't look good as town. However him making a read on those 2 robik posts and having nothing on anybody else apart from me doesn't sit right. His case on me can be thought of both ways and as such is pointless. Basically his reasoning is if I was scum and was asked to push my thoughts I would. But the same case can be made of me as town. I don't like his play atm and want more from him.
##Vote: Lazermonkey
In this post TheChyz is giving koshi a town read. This is important for later, remember this. He is town reading koshi because he thinks scum koshi doesn't benefit from defending him.
He earns town points for saying this:
On January 01 2015 02:02 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
I kinda like how paranoid Chyz is being.
On January 01 2015 02:03 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Like, everyone's jumping down on his throat and he starts his post with "I don't like how Koshi entered the thread" which is pretty much the only person that really defended him.
Then later he posts this:
On January 01 2015 03:52 TheChyz wrote:
I'm having some trouble with koshi after thinking it some. Basically once koshi started defending me, thats mostly all that koshi has contributed to the thread. Just talks about me being town and dr.H being wrong in his read. Like the first time seeing it it felt fine but the longer this game goes, that is all that koshi has been really on. Nothing much else apart from saying "this person is fine, these people are on my scum list, etc". I haven't really felt like I have gotten anything from koshi.
And his read on me just seems to good to not have a decent enough read on somebody else. Again I don't get why a scum would poke their head out this early to defend a lynch that doesn't have traction yet but the longer he does it the more it seems like koshi just knows im town but hasn't added too much to the thread other than that. Just seems suspicious to me.
In this post he is scum reading koshi for exactly the same thing he town read koshi for earlier. He just changed his mind. Why? This is why:
Town points:
On January 01 2015 04:00 Eden1892 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 01 2015 03:52 TheChyz wrote:
I'm having some trouble with koshi after thinking it some. Basically once koshi started defending me, thats mostly all that koshi has contributed to the thread. Just talks about me being town and dr.H being wrong in his read. Like the first time seeing it it felt fine but the longer this game goes, that is all that koshi has been really on. Nothing much else apart from saying "this person is fine, these people are on my scum list, etc". I haven't really felt like I have gotten anything from koshi.
And his read on me just seems to good to not have a decent enough read on somebody else. Again I don't get why a scum would poke their head out this early to defend a lynch that doesn't have traction yet but the longer he does it the more it seems like koshi just knows im town but hasn't added too much to the thread other than that. Just seems suspicious to me.
I really like this post for town. You know the old tell about forgiving your attacker that mafia tend to do, because they know the person attacking them is right and they would rather defuse the threat with kindness and cordiality instead of trying to engage someone they know is right? It's the opposite here. I feel like attacking your forgiver is a good town tell. Mafia don't turn around and get after people who are defending them, and doubly so if they're actually under some significant suspicion. Mafia do numbers-crunching and try to see how many people they can keep on their side and don't try to attack people defending them to gain town credit. It just doesn't make sense. I feel better about Chyz for this post
So this is really scummy imo. First he says he town reads koshi for defending him, then he says he scum reads koshi for defending him. I think this is evidence that he is giving out reads to appear townie, not to solve the game.
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So tldr; artanis liked that TheChyz said koshi was suspicious at first, so TheChyz changed his read on koshi from town to scum.
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I feel like that doesn't make as much sense as I wanted it to so you might have to read it twice.
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On January 01 2015 07:05 justanothertownie wrote:
Batsnacks just keeps providing new ideas noone ever had. So impressive.
bitch pls
I was the first person to point that out.
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On January 01 2015 07:23 geript wrote:Show nested quote +On January 01 2015 07:18 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
So we should ignore newer players? He seemed pretty confident and able to deal with heat in his last game. Plus at the time it was only me, I think only one or two people have agreed to vote with me by this point. It doesn't add up. If you think we should policy ignore newbs or something okay - I don't. I believe in trial by fire, you know that. We'll see what other people have to say about it. How about you offer a better lynch? No I don't think we should ignore newer players. I do think that to get a correct read on them you often need to give them slack and let them hang themselves (or others) with it rather than wrap the noose tight around their necks. I'm fine with trial by fire. But there are productive ways to do that and unproductive ways to do that. Your tunnel is the latter.
Do you still think what I posted is a crackpot theory?
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On January 01 2015 07:23 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On January 01 2015 07:07 batsnacks wrote:On January 01 2015 07:05 justanothertownie wrote:
Batsnacks just keeps providing new ideas noone ever had. So impressive. bitch pls I was the first person to point that out. Show nested quote +On January 01 2015 06:37 justanothertownie wrote:On January 01 2015 06:35 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
it's not like he would think "oh if i keep koshi on my side that will save me" just hours into the game with 1 vote on him and be paralyzed to join the thread in shitting on koshi to get himself easier credibility True. Also someone had already said how towny it would be to go against your own defender before he did so if I remember that correctly. bitch pls
BITCH
Mine was prettier.
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On January 01 2015 09:10 geript wrote:Show nested quote +On January 01 2015 09:06 sicklucker wrote:On January 01 2015 07:23 geript wrote:On January 01 2015 07:18 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
So we should ignore newer players? He seemed pretty confident and able to deal with heat in his last game. Plus at the time it was only me, I think only one or two people have agreed to vote with me by this point. It doesn't add up. If you think we should policy ignore newbs or something okay - I don't. I believe in trial by fire, you know that. We'll see what other people have to say about it. How about you offer a better lynch? No I don't think we should ignore newer players. I do think that to get a correct read on them you often need to give them slack and let them hang themselves (or others) with it rather than wrap the noose tight around their necks. I'm fine with trial by fire. But there are productive ways to do that and unproductive ways to do that. Your tunnel is the latter. Then how come 3 of your posts were. I just want to talk to marv palmer etc. It made the rest of us feel pretty excluded. Any who happy new years no sober posting past this point Because I have fun playing with them usually.
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DrH did you break down and start posting with your work phone or were you jk about leaving earlier? 
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On January 01 2015 10:11 KelsierSC wrote:
Can someone explain why the chyz-koshi thing makes chyz mafia?
As far as I'm aware chyz initially had a town read I koshi but then he thought about it more and analysed his play and then didn't like koshi anymore. Changing your mind is mafia now?
He had an initial town read on koshi, but he said he didn't like koshi's entrance, which got him town points from artanis. So I was speculating that since he got town points for being suspicious of koshi the first time, he might try to scum read koshi to get more town points.
I guess jat pointed it out first but yeah.
chyz didn't have any new reasons for scum reading koshi. He pretty much rehashed exactly what he said before but with a different conclusion; that koshi was scum.
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chyz's explanation for why he changed his mind is really similar to why he townread koshi in the first place. These are the two posts I'm getting this from I don't know if you're looking at something else:
On January 01 2015 01:58 TheChyz wrote:
I don't like how koshi entered the thread. But afterwards he makes a decent defense of me and seems to be able to make a coherent read on me. I don't see a point to defend me as scum so early on with little votes and as such that leans town to me.
On January 01 2015 03:52 TheChyz wrote:
I'm having some trouble with koshi after thinking it some. Basically once koshi started defending me, thats mostly all that koshi has contributed to the thread. Just talks about me being town and dr.H being wrong in his read. Like the first time seeing it it felt fine but the longer this game goes, that is all that koshi has been really on. Nothing much else apart from saying "this person is fine, these people are on my scum list, etc". I haven't really felt like I have gotten anything from koshi.
And his read on me just seems to good to not have a decent enough read on somebody else. Again I don't get why a scum would poke their head out this early to defend a lynch that doesn't have traction yet but the longer he does it the more it seems like koshi just knows im town but hasn't added too much to the thread other than that. Just seems suspicious to me.
Those are really similar. So it to me it looked like there might be other reasons for him deciding to scum read koshi.
And I still don't like DrH's push on him but that's what the thread was talking about so I thought I'd try to contribute something. No one has was responding to anything else I was saying.
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Oh well
I am here for hour then SSL.
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Doesn't anyone want to talk about reads or something? I know there are ppl here I can see the thread views going up.
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On January 01 2015 11:41 Damdred wrote:
Just got home bats, tell me what you think of what I posted
Seems reasonable.
But aren't I kind of doing the same thing? Pushing chyz/robik and saying things other people have said before?
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On January 01 2015 14:12 sicklucker wrote:
Nice gb read. He has not done anything and he has done this in previous games therefor he is town.
Better than your gb read 
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Maybe not literally nothing but pretty close to it.
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I think geript is town and I think we should be lynching robik or lazormonkey.
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On January 02 2015 06:10 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On January 02 2015 06:09 batsnacks wrote:
I think geript is town and I think we should be lynching robik or lazormonkey. Feel free to try an convince us.
Who's "us" jat?
Anyway maybe you or someone else can help me. Did anyone read this?
On January 02 2015 01:43 Lazermonkey wrote:Show nested quote +On January 02 2015 01:38 Damdred wrote:On January 02 2015 01:36 Lazermonkey wrote:On January 02 2015 01:32 Damdred wrote:
@Lazer, how do you get from disliking Koshi pretty hardcore and seemily on the verge of scum reading him and then with just two posts from artanis you say that you don't want to vote him as much today? Then right before you say you don't want to lynch geript?
Aren't you being guilty of what you charged koshi with not pushing your scum read, feels like you are afraid of calling koshi scum and sticking to it. and you feel way to agreeable Because I think what Artanis posted was relevant maybe? Not sure why you think I don't want to lynch geript? I just said I'm super cool with killing him! Explain why what art posted was able to change your mind so much? lol. I'm done talking with you. Its obvious that I agree with what he said, the fact that you are not grasping this is beyond me. I thought it was a good point and thats why I changed my opinion on him. If you agree or not with Artanis thats another story. But why hold the fact that I changed my opinion against me? Would you like it better if I tunneled the shit out of Koshi no matter what?
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And did anyone read this?
On January 02 2015 02:46 Lazermonkey wrote:
I'm having doubts about Chyz as well. I do think his play is bad and I don't agree with almost anything he has said this fair. But I'm not sure that makes him scum. He could just as well be bad town. I don't disagree with your case DH in the sense that I think all of Chyz plays are wierd and/or bad but can you explain his actions from a scum PoV? If something doesn't make sense from a town PoV but also doesn't make sense as scum, I don't think its a good reason to lynch someone for.
Granted, I would not be super sad if Chyz got lynched today. I do think he is a better lynch than say Robik. But I think geript is a much better lynch for today.
##Unvote
##Vote: geript
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On January 02 2015 06:16 marvellosity wrote:
if someone can read geript's multiple criticisms of my list and conclude they are genuine objections rather than objections for the sake of objecting/trying to discredit me, i'm all ears.
1 fake e-sports dollar says you can't though.
what if they are just objections for the sake of objecting/trying to discredit you?
If geript is mafia I'm sure he could just work around your list. There are enough people on your list to work with.
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On January 02 2015 06:18 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On January 02 2015 06:16 batsnacks wrote:And did anyone read this? On January 02 2015 02:46 Lazermonkey wrote:
I'm having doubts about Chyz as well. I do think his play is bad and I don't agree with almost anything he has said this fair. But I'm not sure that makes him scum. He could just as well be bad town. I don't disagree with your case DH in the sense that I think all of Chyz plays are wierd and/or bad but can you explain his actions from a scum PoV? If something doesn't make sense from a town PoV but also doesn't make sense as scum, I don't think its a good reason to lynch someone for.
Granted, I would not be super sad if Chyz got lynched today. I do think he is a better lynch than say Robik. But I think geript is a much better lynch for today.
##Unvote
##Vote: geript yes. But currently I am trying to imagine a world in which none of batsnacks/geript is scum.
How did that post make you feel koshi?
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Hey I'm phone posting
But I want to do town a favor and take the plunge first. I'll be happy to vote either lazor or robik today. I want to vote lazor because his dialogue with Damdred that I quoted was extremely defensive over such a small question. And that post where he voted geript. He spent a huge paragraph explaining why he's not voting chyz just to be super justified and then sheeped. Looked really scummy to me.
##vote: lazormonkey
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The geript lynch is too easy. I feel like more people should think that. One list post and tons of sheep.
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On January 02 2015 07:13 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
If mafia is in a bad day 1 why not just bus so the rest can at least maintain a semblance of town cred on day 2? Why would you want to lynch someone to get information on another player? We could also find out if chyz is scum or not by just lynching him. And he is scum.
You spent most of today pushing chyz and no one voted him.
Palmar posts 1 read and half the game sheeps him.
Doesn't this strike you as odd? I saw that you commented on this before I think you said it annoyed you or something.
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SL vote lazer with me. I don't want to be the only person voting him.
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On January 02 2015 07:49 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Pathetic. Full.steam ahead on lynching thechyz ill have another big post in a minute. Am i wasting my time or can we revisit this conversation.
If you pick apart everything he said sentence by sentence I probably won't read it.
Maybe stick to the important stuff and if that catches go from there.
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On January 02 2015 08:04 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
It also reminds me of the times I catch a mafia day 1 and they all deflect and try to tilt me instead of responding to what i'm actually saying. just parrot "drh is stupid" until people believe it
I think it would help you -a lot- if you tried making your case without using quotes at all.
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On January 02 2015 08:29 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
I'm trying my best to keep my cool here. You can ignore it if thats your choice. It's an explicitly anti town thing to do, give me the benefit of the doubt, I think I've earned that much with what I've done in the past
The one point you focused on was him voting you.
If you were tunneling me as hard as you are him I would 100% vote you out of frustration too. And then I might come to my senses and unvote you.
That seems perfectly reasonable to me.
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When is eod? This seems to imply that eod is not anytime soon:
On January 02 2015 10:42 Alakaslam wrote:
Happy New Year 17 hours 40 minutes late from Imperial
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On January 02 2015 11:24 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On January 02 2015 11:22 batsnacks wrote:When is eod? This seems to imply that eod is not anytime soon: On January 02 2015 10:42 Alakaslam wrote:
Happy New Year 17 hours 40 minutes late from Imperial Is this all you have to contribute?
I wasn't trying to contribute.
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On January 02 2015 11:28 Koshi wrote:
Batsnacks might be town as well. He is batsnacks insane. This is not sure. I am sleep depraved atm
Koshi I don't want to unvote thechyz. He self voted and left the thread. If he's mafia and I don't vote him it will piss me off.
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Besides what are we going to do tomorrow if thechyz is still alive and DrH takes it upon himself to tunnel him for another 15 pages.
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On January 02 2015 11:37 sicklucker wrote:Show nested quote +On January 02 2015 11:35 batsnacks wrote:
Besides what are we going to do tomorrow if thechyz is still alive and DrH takes it upon himself to tunnel him for another 15 pages. check him
There's a framer dude.
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On January 02 2015 11:40 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Vig him and dt check whoever the hell they want
Town doesn't have a vig.
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On January 02 2015 11:41 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On January 02 2015 11:41 batsnacks wrote:On January 02 2015 11:40 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Vig him and dt check whoever the hell they want Town doesn't have a vig. Your team on the other hand....
On January 02 2015 09:54 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On January 02 2015 09:51 sicklucker wrote:On January 02 2015 09:43 justanothertownie wrote:
Does anyone have any reason why we shouldn't just lynch batsnacks? Hes already cussed at multiple new players therefor he is town. But to be serious hes too hard to read I think he could be a mislynch. Since when is batsnacks hard to read? Are you kidding me?
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On January 02 2015 11:48 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On January 02 2015 11:42 batsnacks wrote:On January 02 2015 11:41 justanothertownie wrote:On January 02 2015 11:41 batsnacks wrote:On January 02 2015 11:40 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Vig him and dt check whoever the hell they want Town doesn't have a vig. Your team on the other hand.... On January 02 2015 09:54 justanothertownie wrote:On January 02 2015 09:51 sicklucker wrote:On January 02 2015 09:43 justanothertownie wrote:
Does anyone have any reason why we shouldn't just lynch batsnacks? Hes already cussed at multiple new players therefor he is town. But to be serious hes too hard to read I think he could be a mislynch. Since when is batsnacks hard to read? Are you kidding me? Your point?
My point is I <3 you for talking about me.
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ANyone want to ask me anything or...?
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On January 02 2015 12:58 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On January 02 2015 12:58 batsnacks wrote:
ANyone want to ask me anything or...? Are you mafia?
I wish.
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jat I already said I'd play.
Why am I mafia?
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On January 02 2015 13:05 justanothertownie wrote:
Because this is not your townplay.
Can you think of something that we can actually have a conversation about?
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That's not what I said. I said can -you- think of something that -we- can actually have a conversation about?
You're the one voting me. Can't you give me something I can actually respond to other than "this isn't your town play"?
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On January 02 2015 13:08 Eden1892 wrote:Maybe there's something here. Show nested quote +On January 01 2015 06:13 batsnacks wrote:I think robik is mafia. Here is my lame meta read: Town robik is usually enthusiastic about playing at the start of games and is quick to form reads and call people out. He's usually really loud about the fact that he's town (as both alignments) and says it over and over again "I'm town you suck." He did that a little bit this game. Scum robik, i.e. Robik in this game, is obviously in the thread and is responding when his name gets called, but he lacks reads and is not passionate about solving people's alignments. He is only passionate about talking about him. And this scummy too: On January 01 2015 05:59 IAmRobik wrote:
I kinda wanna lynch TheChyz to see if DrH is right ##vote: IAmRobik This post is strange, because he says that Robik is deviating from both his normal town and normal mafia behavior, and thus that makes him mafia. I guess the argument is that there's greater deviation from his normal town game than from his normal mafia game, but batsnacks, in making a self-professed "lame meta read," expressly notes that Robik is deviating from both of his normal games. This bothers me because it doesn't match my thought process if I'm in batsnacks' shoes: 1. If someone is deviating from both their normal town game and normal mafia game, my first thought is that there must be extenuating circumstances responsible for the deviation. Deliberate change in play style, extended absence due to work, or a holiday, like, say, Iunno, New Year's Eve... these would be where I'd look for explanations, not "Robik is mafia." 2. Perhaps more telling, but if I find myself deciding my read on someone is lame, I don't bring it up and I certainly don't put my vote down for them. I keep looking. Tellingly, he never pushes the Robik lynch and never really brings it up in subsequent posts. batsnacks then later proposes that Chyz might have been milking his Koshi read for town credit, ignoring the fact that Chyz's read on Koshi changed in the two instances batsnacks cites to support it. This "contribution" is senseless to me. Show nested quote +On January 01 2015 06:44 batsnacks wrote:Mr DrH what do you think about this: First TheChyz posts this: On January 01 2015 01:58 TheChyz wrote:
I don't like how koshi entered the thread. But afterwards he makes a decent defense of me and seems to be able to make a coherent read on me. I don't see a point to defend me as scum so early on with little votes and as such that leans town to me.
I don't see where people are getting this geript thing. If someone can enlighten me but I liked his intros into the thread, nothing amazing but better than the other fluff people were posting. Later on he has seem to slacked off a bit but other than not seeming to scum hunt as much as I'm used he doesn't seem scummy. null for me. Maybe you guys know him better than I and have a bad feeling but I don't see anything conclusive.
I don't like lazer atm. He hasn't really done any scum hunting this game and is rehashing old stuff and using it again. The read on robik is w/e. Robik has done nothing except "activity" posts so obv that doesn't look good as town. However him making a read on those 2 robik posts and having nothing on anybody else apart from me doesn't sit right. His case on me can be thought of both ways and as such is pointless. Basically his reasoning is if I was scum and was asked to push my thoughts I would. But the same case can be made of me as town. I don't like his play atm and want more from him.
##Vote: Lazermonkey And he earned town points for it: On January 01 2015 02:02 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
I kinda like how paranoid Chyz is being. On January 01 2015 02:03 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Like, everyone's jumping down on his throat and he starts his post with "I don't like how Koshi entered the thread" which is pretty much the only person that really defended him. Then later he posts this: On January 01 2015 03:52 TheChyz wrote:
I'm having some trouble with koshi after thinking it some. Basically once koshi started defending me, thats mostly all that koshi has contributed to the thread. Just talks about me being town and dr.H being wrong in his read. Like the first time seeing it it felt fine but the longer this game goes, that is all that koshi has been really on. Nothing much else apart from saying "this person is fine, these people are on my scum list, etc". I haven't really felt like I have gotten anything from koshi.
And his read on me just seems to good to not have a decent enough read on somebody else. Again I don't get why a scum would poke their head out this early to defend a lynch that doesn't have traction yet but the longer he does it the more it seems like koshi just knows im town but hasn't added too much to the thread other than that. Just seems suspicious to me.
And gets more town points: On January 01 2015 04:00 Eden1892 wrote:On January 01 2015 03:52 TheChyz wrote:
I'm having some trouble with koshi after thinking it some. Basically once koshi started defending me, thats mostly all that koshi has contributed to the thread. Just talks about me being town and dr.H being wrong in his read. Like the first time seeing it it felt fine but the longer this game goes, that is all that koshi has been really on. Nothing much else apart from saying "this person is fine, these people are on my scum list, etc". I haven't really felt like I have gotten anything from koshi.
And his read on me just seems to good to not have a decent enough read on somebody else. Again I don't get why a scum would poke their head out this early to defend a lynch that doesn't have traction yet but the longer he does it the more it seems like koshi just knows im town but hasn't added too much to the thread other than that. Just seems suspicious to me.
I really like this post for town. You know the old tell about forgiving your attacker that mafia tend to do, because they know the person attacking them is right and they would rather defuse the threat with kindness and cordiality instead of trying to engage someone they know is right? It's the opposite here. I feel like attacking your forgiver is a good town tell. Mafia don't turn around and get after people who are defending them, and doubly so if they're actually under some significant suspicion. Mafia do numbers-crunching and try to see how many people they can keep on their side and don't try to attack people defending them to gain town credit. It just doesn't make sense. I feel better about Chyz for this post
Do you think TheChyz is intentionally rehashing the koshi read to gain town points? He never actually does anything with this, either. Not only is the question fundamentally flawed, it doesn't seem to be going anywhere, and he isn't really doing anything with it. He talks some more about it but again, it doesn't really get to the conclusion "lynch Chyz" or anything. Even if batsnacks didn't horribly misinterpret what Chyz said, this wouldn't be the tenth most incriminating case on Chyz in this thread even if we took out the cases DoctorHelvetica made. The last page of batsnacks' filter seems similarly unproductive and unhelpful. A "fuck you Chyz" and a vote, presumably for self-voting, which, as I've already argued, probably shouldn't be there because Chyz seems town. Some random mechanics/roles stuff that doesn't really matter. A couple of general "is anybody there?" type questions and, notably, no real effort to push the Lazermonkey read he was so hard on earlier. I don't get the sense this guy cares about who we kill. Maybe it's time we make him care. ##UNVOTE: geript
##VOTE: batsnacks
I already said I'm not unvoting chyz because if he is mafia and self voting and getting let off the hook for it, it's going to piss me off. So my vote is staying. If thechyz hadn't self voted I probably wouldn't have voted him.
Also no one is voting lazermonkey or robik, the two people I wanted to lynch originally, so of course I'm not going to keep my vote there.
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On January 02 2015 13:14 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On January 02 2015 13:13 batsnacks wrote:On January 02 2015 13:08 Eden1892 wrote:Maybe there's something here. On January 01 2015 06:13 batsnacks wrote:I think robik is mafia. Here is my lame meta read: Town robik is usually enthusiastic about playing at the start of games and is quick to form reads and call people out. He's usually really loud about the fact that he's town (as both alignments) and says it over and over again "I'm town you suck." He did that a little bit this game. Scum robik, i.e. Robik in this game, is obviously in the thread and is responding when his name gets called, but he lacks reads and is not passionate about solving people's alignments. He is only passionate about talking about him. And this scummy too: On January 01 2015 05:59 IAmRobik wrote:
I kinda wanna lynch TheChyz to see if DrH is right ##vote: IAmRobik This post is strange, because he says that Robik is deviating from both his normal town and normal mafia behavior, and thus that makes him mafia. I guess the argument is that there's greater deviation from his normal town game than from his normal mafia game, but batsnacks, in making a self-professed "lame meta read," expressly notes that Robik is deviating from both of his normal games. This bothers me because it doesn't match my thought process if I'm in batsnacks' shoes: 1. If someone is deviating from both their normal town game and normal mafia game, my first thought is that there must be extenuating circumstances responsible for the deviation. Deliberate change in play style, extended absence due to work, or a holiday, like, say, Iunno, New Year's Eve... these would be where I'd look for explanations, not "Robik is mafia." 2. Perhaps more telling, but if I find myself deciding my read on someone is lame, I don't bring it up and I certainly don't put my vote down for them. I keep looking. Tellingly, he never pushes the Robik lynch and never really brings it up in subsequent posts. batsnacks then later proposes that Chyz might have been milking his Koshi read for town credit, ignoring the fact that Chyz's read on Koshi changed in the two instances batsnacks cites to support it. This "contribution" is senseless to me. On January 01 2015 06:44 batsnacks wrote:Mr DrH what do you think about this: First TheChyz posts this: On January 01 2015 01:58 TheChyz wrote:
I don't like how koshi entered the thread. But afterwards he makes a decent defense of me and seems to be able to make a coherent read on me. I don't see a point to defend me as scum so early on with little votes and as such that leans town to me.
I don't see where people are getting this geript thing. If someone can enlighten me but I liked his intros into the thread, nothing amazing but better than the other fluff people were posting. Later on he has seem to slacked off a bit but other than not seeming to scum hunt as much as I'm used he doesn't seem scummy. null for me. Maybe you guys know him better than I and have a bad feeling but I don't see anything conclusive.
I don't like lazer atm. He hasn't really done any scum hunting this game and is rehashing old stuff and using it again. The read on robik is w/e. Robik has done nothing except "activity" posts so obv that doesn't look good as town. However him making a read on those 2 robik posts and having nothing on anybody else apart from me doesn't sit right. His case on me can be thought of both ways and as such is pointless. Basically his reasoning is if I was scum and was asked to push my thoughts I would. But the same case can be made of me as town. I don't like his play atm and want more from him.
##Vote: Lazermonkey And he earned town points for it: On January 01 2015 02:02 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
I kinda like how paranoid Chyz is being. On January 01 2015 02:03 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Like, everyone's jumping down on his throat and he starts his post with "I don't like how Koshi entered the thread" which is pretty much the only person that really defended him. Then later he posts this: On January 01 2015 03:52 TheChyz wrote:
I'm having some trouble with koshi after thinking it some. Basically once koshi started defending me, thats mostly all that koshi has contributed to the thread. Just talks about me being town and dr.H being wrong in his read. Like the first time seeing it it felt fine but the longer this game goes, that is all that koshi has been really on. Nothing much else apart from saying "this person is fine, these people are on my scum list, etc". I haven't really felt like I have gotten anything from koshi.
And his read on me just seems to good to not have a decent enough read on somebody else. Again I don't get why a scum would poke their head out this early to defend a lynch that doesn't have traction yet but the longer he does it the more it seems like koshi just knows im town but hasn't added too much to the thread other than that. Just seems suspicious to me.
And gets more town points: On January 01 2015 04:00 Eden1892 wrote:On January 01 2015 03:52 TheChyz wrote:
I'm having some trouble with koshi after thinking it some. Basically once koshi started defending me, thats mostly all that koshi has contributed to the thread. Just talks about me being town and dr.H being wrong in his read. Like the first time seeing it it felt fine but the longer this game goes, that is all that koshi has been really on. Nothing much else apart from saying "this person is fine, these people are on my scum list, etc". I haven't really felt like I have gotten anything from koshi.
And his read on me just seems to good to not have a decent enough read on somebody else. Again I don't get why a scum would poke their head out this early to defend a lynch that doesn't have traction yet but the longer he does it the more it seems like koshi just knows im town but hasn't added too much to the thread other than that. Just seems suspicious to me.
I really like this post for town. You know the old tell about forgiving your attacker that mafia tend to do, because they know the person attacking them is right and they would rather defuse the threat with kindness and cordiality instead of trying to engage someone they know is right? It's the opposite here. I feel like attacking your forgiver is a good town tell. Mafia don't turn around and get after people who are defending them, and doubly so if they're actually under some significant suspicion. Mafia do numbers-crunching and try to see how many people they can keep on their side and don't try to attack people defending them to gain town credit. It just doesn't make sense. I feel better about Chyz for this post
Do you think TheChyz is intentionally rehashing the koshi read to gain town points? He never actually does anything with this, either. Not only is the question fundamentally flawed, it doesn't seem to be going anywhere, and he isn't really doing anything with it. He talks some more about it but again, it doesn't really get to the conclusion "lynch Chyz" or anything. Even if batsnacks didn't horribly misinterpret what Chyz said, this wouldn't be the tenth most incriminating case on Chyz in this thread even if we took out the cases DoctorHelvetica made. The last page of batsnacks' filter seems similarly unproductive and unhelpful. A "fuck you Chyz" and a vote, presumably for self-voting, which, as I've already argued, probably shouldn't be there because Chyz seems town. Some random mechanics/roles stuff that doesn't really matter. A couple of general "is anybody there?" type questions and, notably, no real effort to push the Lazermonkey read he was so hard on earlier. I don't get the sense this guy cares about who we kill. Maybe it's time we make him care. ##UNVOTE: geript
##VOTE: batsnacks I already said I'm not unvoting chyz because if he is mafia and self voting and getting let off the hook for it, it's going to piss me off. So my vote is staying. If thechyz hadn't self voted I probably wouldn't have voted him. Also no one is voting lazermonkey or robik, the two people I wanted to lynch originally, so of course I'm not going to keep my vote there. Since when do you care if other people agree with you?
What?
No one is voting lazer or robik, I'm not going to waste my vote. I would much rather vote the self-voting chyz.
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On January 02 2015 13:16 Eden1892 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 02 2015 13:13 batsnacks wrote:On January 02 2015 13:08 Eden1892 wrote:Maybe there's something here. On January 01 2015 06:13 batsnacks wrote:I think robik is mafia. Here is my lame meta read: Town robik is usually enthusiastic about playing at the start of games and is quick to form reads and call people out. He's usually really loud about the fact that he's town (as both alignments) and says it over and over again "I'm town you suck." He did that a little bit this game. Scum robik, i.e. Robik in this game, is obviously in the thread and is responding when his name gets called, but he lacks reads and is not passionate about solving people's alignments. He is only passionate about talking about him. And this scummy too: On January 01 2015 05:59 IAmRobik wrote:
I kinda wanna lynch TheChyz to see if DrH is right ##vote: IAmRobik This post is strange, because he says that Robik is deviating from both his normal town and normal mafia behavior, and thus that makes him mafia. I guess the argument is that there's greater deviation from his normal town game than from his normal mafia game, but batsnacks, in making a self-professed "lame meta read," expressly notes that Robik is deviating from both of his normal games. This bothers me because it doesn't match my thought process if I'm in batsnacks' shoes: 1. If someone is deviating from both their normal town game and normal mafia game, my first thought is that there must be extenuating circumstances responsible for the deviation. Deliberate change in play style, extended absence due to work, or a holiday, like, say, Iunno, New Year's Eve... these would be where I'd look for explanations, not "Robik is mafia." 2. Perhaps more telling, but if I find myself deciding my read on someone is lame, I don't bring it up and I certainly don't put my vote down for them. I keep looking. Tellingly, he never pushes the Robik lynch and never really brings it up in subsequent posts. batsnacks then later proposes that Chyz might have been milking his Koshi read for town credit, ignoring the fact that Chyz's read on Koshi changed in the two instances batsnacks cites to support it. This "contribution" is senseless to me. On January 01 2015 06:44 batsnacks wrote:Mr DrH what do you think about this: First TheChyz posts this: On January 01 2015 01:58 TheChyz wrote:
I don't like how koshi entered the thread. But afterwards he makes a decent defense of me and seems to be able to make a coherent read on me. I don't see a point to defend me as scum so early on with little votes and as such that leans town to me.
I don't see where people are getting this geript thing. If someone can enlighten me but I liked his intros into the thread, nothing amazing but better than the other fluff people were posting. Later on he has seem to slacked off a bit but other than not seeming to scum hunt as much as I'm used he doesn't seem scummy. null for me. Maybe you guys know him better than I and have a bad feeling but I don't see anything conclusive.
I don't like lazer atm. He hasn't really done any scum hunting this game and is rehashing old stuff and using it again. The read on robik is w/e. Robik has done nothing except "activity" posts so obv that doesn't look good as town. However him making a read on those 2 robik posts and having nothing on anybody else apart from me doesn't sit right. His case on me can be thought of both ways and as such is pointless. Basically his reasoning is if I was scum and was asked to push my thoughts I would. But the same case can be made of me as town. I don't like his play atm and want more from him.
##Vote: Lazermonkey And he earned town points for it: On January 01 2015 02:02 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
I kinda like how paranoid Chyz is being. On January 01 2015 02:03 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Like, everyone's jumping down on his throat and he starts his post with "I don't like how Koshi entered the thread" which is pretty much the only person that really defended him. Then later he posts this: On January 01 2015 03:52 TheChyz wrote:
I'm having some trouble with koshi after thinking it some. Basically once koshi started defending me, thats mostly all that koshi has contributed to the thread. Just talks about me being town and dr.H being wrong in his read. Like the first time seeing it it felt fine but the longer this game goes, that is all that koshi has been really on. Nothing much else apart from saying "this person is fine, these people are on my scum list, etc". I haven't really felt like I have gotten anything from koshi.
And his read on me just seems to good to not have a decent enough read on somebody else. Again I don't get why a scum would poke their head out this early to defend a lynch that doesn't have traction yet but the longer he does it the more it seems like koshi just knows im town but hasn't added too much to the thread other than that. Just seems suspicious to me.
And gets more town points: On January 01 2015 04:00 Eden1892 wrote:On January 01 2015 03:52 TheChyz wrote:
I'm having some trouble with koshi after thinking it some. Basically once koshi started defending me, thats mostly all that koshi has contributed to the thread. Just talks about me being town and dr.H being wrong in his read. Like the first time seeing it it felt fine but the longer this game goes, that is all that koshi has been really on. Nothing much else apart from saying "this person is fine, these people are on my scum list, etc". I haven't really felt like I have gotten anything from koshi.
And his read on me just seems to good to not have a decent enough read on somebody else. Again I don't get why a scum would poke their head out this early to defend a lynch that doesn't have traction yet but the longer he does it the more it seems like koshi just knows im town but hasn't added too much to the thread other than that. Just seems suspicious to me.
I really like this post for town. You know the old tell about forgiving your attacker that mafia tend to do, because they know the person attacking them is right and they would rather defuse the threat with kindness and cordiality instead of trying to engage someone they know is right? It's the opposite here. I feel like attacking your forgiver is a good town tell. Mafia don't turn around and get after people who are defending them, and doubly so if they're actually under some significant suspicion. Mafia do numbers-crunching and try to see how many people they can keep on their side and don't try to attack people defending them to gain town credit. It just doesn't make sense. I feel better about Chyz for this post
Do you think TheChyz is intentionally rehashing the koshi read to gain town points? He never actually does anything with this, either. Not only is the question fundamentally flawed, it doesn't seem to be going anywhere, and he isn't really doing anything with it. He talks some more about it but again, it doesn't really get to the conclusion "lynch Chyz" or anything. Even if batsnacks didn't horribly misinterpret what Chyz said, this wouldn't be the tenth most incriminating case on Chyz in this thread even if we took out the cases DoctorHelvetica made. The last page of batsnacks' filter seems similarly unproductive and unhelpful. A "fuck you Chyz" and a vote, presumably for self-voting, which, as I've already argued, probably shouldn't be there because Chyz seems town. Some random mechanics/roles stuff that doesn't really matter. A couple of general "is anybody there?" type questions and, notably, no real effort to push the Lazermonkey read he was so hard on earlier. I don't get the sense this guy cares about who we kill. Maybe it's time we make him care. ##UNVOTE: geript
##VOTE: batsnacks I already said I'm not unvoting chyz because if he is mafia and self voting and getting let off the hook for it, it's going to piss me off. So my vote is staying. If thechyz hadn't self voted I probably wouldn't have voted him. Also no one is voting lazermonkey or robik, the two people I wanted to lynch originally, so of course I'm not going to keep my vote there. Wait, so if he hadn't self-voted you wouldn't vote him. But you're voting him because you won't let a self-voting mafia off the hook? Does that mean you think he's mafia and weren't voting him because ??? or does that mean you don't think he's mafia but are voting him now because ??? And the point isn't that no one is voting Lazermonkey or Robik. The point is you made both reads with plenty of time to push them, so if you thought they were mafia, why didn't you try to develop a case people would vote for? Why leave them as weak and easily-ignored as they were?
Yes, if he hadn't self voted that probably wouldn't be where my vote is.
And I posted as often and as much as I could.
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On January 02 2015 13:17 DoctorHelvetica wrote:Show nested quote +On January 02 2015 13:16 batsnacks wrote:On January 02 2015 13:14 justanothertownie wrote:On January 02 2015 13:13 batsnacks wrote:On January 02 2015 13:08 Eden1892 wrote:Maybe there's something here. On January 01 2015 06:13 batsnacks wrote:I think robik is mafia. Here is my lame meta read: Town robik is usually enthusiastic about playing at the start of games and is quick to form reads and call people out. He's usually really loud about the fact that he's town (as both alignments) and says it over and over again "I'm town you suck." He did that a little bit this game. Scum robik, i.e. Robik in this game, is obviously in the thread and is responding when his name gets called, but he lacks reads and is not passionate about solving people's alignments. He is only passionate about talking about him. And this scummy too: On January 01 2015 05:59 IAmRobik wrote:
I kinda wanna lynch TheChyz to see if DrH is right ##vote: IAmRobik This post is strange, because he says that Robik is deviating from both his normal town and normal mafia behavior, and thus that makes him mafia. I guess the argument is that there's greater deviation from his normal town game than from his normal mafia game, but batsnacks, in making a self-professed "lame meta read," expressly notes that Robik is deviating from both of his normal games. This bothers me because it doesn't match my thought process if I'm in batsnacks' shoes: 1. If someone is deviating from both their normal town game and normal mafia game, my first thought is that there must be extenuating circumstances responsible for the deviation. Deliberate change in play style, extended absence due to work, or a holiday, like, say, Iunno, New Year's Eve... these would be where I'd look for explanations, not "Robik is mafia." 2. Perhaps more telling, but if I find myself deciding my read on someone is lame, I don't bring it up and I certainly don't put my vote down for them. I keep looking. Tellingly, he never pushes the Robik lynch and never really brings it up in subsequent posts. batsnacks then later proposes that Chyz might have been milking his Koshi read for town credit, ignoring the fact that Chyz's read on Koshi changed in the two instances batsnacks cites to support it. This "contribution" is senseless to me. On January 01 2015 06:44 batsnacks wrote:Mr DrH what do you think about this: First TheChyz posts this: On January 01 2015 01:58 TheChyz wrote:
I don't like how koshi entered the thread. But afterwards he makes a decent defense of me and seems to be able to make a coherent read on me. I don't see a point to defend me as scum so early on with little votes and as such that leans town to me.
I don't see where people are getting this geript thing. If someone can enlighten me but I liked his intros into the thread, nothing amazing but better than the other fluff people were posting. Later on he has seem to slacked off a bit but other than not seeming to scum hunt as much as I'm used he doesn't seem scummy. null for me. Maybe you guys know him better than I and have a bad feeling but I don't see anything conclusive.
I don't like lazer atm. He hasn't really done any scum hunting this game and is rehashing old stuff and using it again. The read on robik is w/e. Robik has done nothing except "activity" posts so obv that doesn't look good as town. However him making a read on those 2 robik posts and having nothing on anybody else apart from me doesn't sit right. His case on me can be thought of both ways and as such is pointless. Basically his reasoning is if I was scum and was asked to push my thoughts I would. But the same case can be made of me as town. I don't like his play atm and want more from him.
##Vote: Lazermonkey And he earned town points for it: On January 01 2015 02:02 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
I kinda like how paranoid Chyz is being. On January 01 2015 02:03 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Like, everyone's jumping down on his throat and he starts his post with "I don't like how Koshi entered the thread" which is pretty much the only person that really defended him. Then later he posts this: On January 01 2015 03:52 TheChyz wrote:
I'm having some trouble with koshi after thinking it some. Basically once koshi started defending me, thats mostly all that koshi has contributed to the thread. Just talks about me being town and dr.H being wrong in his read. Like the first time seeing it it felt fine but the longer this game goes, that is all that koshi has been really on. Nothing much else apart from saying "this person is fine, these people are on my scum list, etc". I haven't really felt like I have gotten anything from koshi.
And his read on me just seems to good to not have a decent enough read on somebody else. Again I don't get why a scum would poke their head out this early to defend a lynch that doesn't have traction yet but the longer he does it the more it seems like koshi just knows im town but hasn't added too much to the thread other than that. Just seems suspicious to me.
And gets more town points: On January 01 2015 04:00 Eden1892 wrote:On January 01 2015 03:52 TheChyz wrote:
I'm having some trouble with koshi after thinking it some. Basically once koshi started defending me, thats mostly all that koshi has contributed to the thread. Just talks about me being town and dr.H being wrong in his read. Like the first time seeing it it felt fine but the longer this game goes, that is all that koshi has been really on. Nothing much else apart from saying "this person is fine, these people are on my scum list, etc". I haven't really felt like I have gotten anything from koshi.
And his read on me just seems to good to not have a decent enough read on somebody else. Again I don't get why a scum would poke their head out this early to defend a lynch that doesn't have traction yet but the longer he does it the more it seems like koshi just knows im town but hasn't added too much to the thread other than that. Just seems suspicious to me.
I really like this post for town. You know the old tell about forgiving your attacker that mafia tend to do, because they know the person attacking them is right and they would rather defuse the threat with kindness and cordiality instead of trying to engage someone they know is right? It's the opposite here. I feel like attacking your forgiver is a good town tell. Mafia don't turn around and get after people who are defending them, and doubly so if they're actually under some significant suspicion. Mafia do numbers-crunching and try to see how many people they can keep on their side and don't try to attack people defending them to gain town credit. It just doesn't make sense. I feel better about Chyz for this post
Do you think TheChyz is intentionally rehashing the koshi read to gain town points? He never actually does anything with this, either. Not only is the question fundamentally flawed, it doesn't seem to be going anywhere, and he isn't really doing anything with it. He talks some more about it but again, it doesn't really get to the conclusion "lynch Chyz" or anything. Even if batsnacks didn't horribly misinterpret what Chyz said, this wouldn't be the tenth most incriminating case on Chyz in this thread even if we took out the cases DoctorHelvetica made. The last page of batsnacks' filter seems similarly unproductive and unhelpful. A "fuck you Chyz" and a vote, presumably for self-voting, which, as I've already argued, probably shouldn't be there because Chyz seems town. Some random mechanics/roles stuff that doesn't really matter. A couple of general "is anybody there?" type questions and, notably, no real effort to push the Lazermonkey read he was so hard on earlier. I don't get the sense this guy cares about who we kill. Maybe it's time we make him care. ##UNVOTE: geript
##VOTE: batsnacks I already said I'm not unvoting chyz because if he is mafia and self voting and getting let off the hook for it, it's going to piss me off. So my vote is staying. If thechyz hadn't self voted I probably wouldn't have voted him. Also no one is voting lazermonkey or robik, the two people I wanted to lynch originally, so of course I'm not going to keep my vote there. Since when do you care if other people agree with you? What? No one is voting lazer or robik, I'm not going to waste my vote. I would much rather vote the self-voting chyz. What do you think of geript
I don't think geript is a good wagon because of how easily it caught on. Palmar has posted twice about geript and those two posts are most of why half the game (at one point) was voting him. Plus a few of the people on the wagon joined for reasons I thought were weird (lazer, marv).
On January 02 2015 13:18 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On January 02 2015 13:16 batsnacks wrote:On January 02 2015 13:14 justanothertownie wrote:On January 02 2015 13:13 batsnacks wrote:On January 02 2015 13:08 Eden1892 wrote:Maybe there's something here. On January 01 2015 06:13 batsnacks wrote:I think robik is mafia. Here is my lame meta read: Town robik is usually enthusiastic about playing at the start of games and is quick to form reads and call people out. He's usually really loud about the fact that he's town (as both alignments) and says it over and over again "I'm town you suck." He did that a little bit this game. Scum robik, i.e. Robik in this game, is obviously in the thread and is responding when his name gets called, but he lacks reads and is not passionate about solving people's alignments. He is only passionate about talking about him. And this scummy too: On January 01 2015 05:59 IAmRobik wrote:
I kinda wanna lynch TheChyz to see if DrH is right ##vote: IAmRobik This post is strange, because he says that Robik is deviating from both his normal town and normal mafia behavior, and thus that makes him mafia. I guess the argument is that there's greater deviation from his normal town game than from his normal mafia game, but batsnacks, in making a self-professed "lame meta read," expressly notes that Robik is deviating from both of his normal games. This bothers me because it doesn't match my thought process if I'm in batsnacks' shoes: 1. If someone is deviating from both their normal town game and normal mafia game, my first thought is that there must be extenuating circumstances responsible for the deviation. Deliberate change in play style, extended absence due to work, or a holiday, like, say, Iunno, New Year's Eve... these would be where I'd look for explanations, not "Robik is mafia." 2. Perhaps more telling, but if I find myself deciding my read on someone is lame, I don't bring it up and I certainly don't put my vote down for them. I keep looking. Tellingly, he never pushes the Robik lynch and never really brings it up in subsequent posts. batsnacks then later proposes that Chyz might have been milking his Koshi read for town credit, ignoring the fact that Chyz's read on Koshi changed in the two instances batsnacks cites to support it. This "contribution" is senseless to me. On January 01 2015 06:44 batsnacks wrote:Mr DrH what do you think about this: First TheChyz posts this: On January 01 2015 01:58 TheChyz wrote:
I don't like how koshi entered the thread. But afterwards he makes a decent defense of me and seems to be able to make a coherent read on me. I don't see a point to defend me as scum so early on with little votes and as such that leans town to me.
I don't see where people are getting this geript thing. If someone can enlighten me but I liked his intros into the thread, nothing amazing but better than the other fluff people were posting. Later on he has seem to slacked off a bit but other than not seeming to scum hunt as much as I'm used he doesn't seem scummy. null for me. Maybe you guys know him better than I and have a bad feeling but I don't see anything conclusive.
I don't like lazer atm. He hasn't really done any scum hunting this game and is rehashing old stuff and using it again. The read on robik is w/e. Robik has done nothing except "activity" posts so obv that doesn't look good as town. However him making a read on those 2 robik posts and having nothing on anybody else apart from me doesn't sit right. His case on me can be thought of both ways and as such is pointless. Basically his reasoning is if I was scum and was asked to push my thoughts I would. But the same case can be made of me as town. I don't like his play atm and want more from him.
##Vote: Lazermonkey And he earned town points for it: On January 01 2015 02:02 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
I kinda like how paranoid Chyz is being. On January 01 2015 02:03 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Like, everyone's jumping down on his throat and he starts his post with "I don't like how Koshi entered the thread" which is pretty much the only person that really defended him. Then later he posts this: On January 01 2015 03:52 TheChyz wrote:
I'm having some trouble with koshi after thinking it some. Basically once koshi started defending me, thats mostly all that koshi has contributed to the thread. Just talks about me being town and dr.H being wrong in his read. Like the first time seeing it it felt fine but the longer this game goes, that is all that koshi has been really on. Nothing much else apart from saying "this person is fine, these people are on my scum list, etc". I haven't really felt like I have gotten anything from koshi.
And his read on me just seems to good to not have a decent enough read on somebody else. Again I don't get why a scum would poke their head out this early to defend a lynch that doesn't have traction yet but the longer he does it the more it seems like koshi just knows im town but hasn't added too much to the thread other than that. Just seems suspicious to me.
And gets more town points: On January 01 2015 04:00 Eden1892 wrote:On January 01 2015 03:52 TheChyz wrote:
I'm having some trouble with koshi after thinking it some. Basically once koshi started defending me, thats mostly all that koshi has contributed to the thread. Just talks about me being town and dr.H being wrong in his read. Like the first time seeing it it felt fine but the longer this game goes, that is all that koshi has been really on. Nothing much else apart from saying "this person is fine, these people are on my scum list, etc". I haven't really felt like I have gotten anything from koshi.
And his read on me just seems to good to not have a decent enough read on somebody else. Again I don't get why a scum would poke their head out this early to defend a lynch that doesn't have traction yet but the longer he does it the more it seems like koshi just knows im town but hasn't added too much to the thread other than that. Just seems suspicious to me.
I really like this post for town. You know the old tell about forgiving your attacker that mafia tend to do, because they know the person attacking them is right and they would rather defuse the threat with kindness and cordiality instead of trying to engage someone they know is right? It's the opposite here. I feel like attacking your forgiver is a good town tell. Mafia don't turn around and get after people who are defending them, and doubly so if they're actually under some significant suspicion. Mafia do numbers-crunching and try to see how many people they can keep on their side and don't try to attack people defending them to gain town credit. It just doesn't make sense. I feel better about Chyz for this post
Do you think TheChyz is intentionally rehashing the koshi read to gain town points? He never actually does anything with this, either. Not only is the question fundamentally flawed, it doesn't seem to be going anywhere, and he isn't really doing anything with it. He talks some more about it but again, it doesn't really get to the conclusion "lynch Chyz" or anything. Even if batsnacks didn't horribly misinterpret what Chyz said, this wouldn't be the tenth most incriminating case on Chyz in this thread even if we took out the cases DoctorHelvetica made. The last page of batsnacks' filter seems similarly unproductive and unhelpful. A "fuck you Chyz" and a vote, presumably for self-voting, which, as I've already argued, probably shouldn't be there because Chyz seems town. Some random mechanics/roles stuff that doesn't really matter. A couple of general "is anybody there?" type questions and, notably, no real effort to push the Lazermonkey read he was so hard on earlier. I don't get the sense this guy cares about who we kill. Maybe it's time we make him care. ##UNVOTE: geript
##VOTE: batsnacks I already said I'm not unvoting chyz because if he is mafia and self voting and getting let off the hook for it, it's going to piss me off. So my vote is staying. If thechyz hadn't self voted I probably wouldn't have voted him. Also no one is voting lazermonkey or robik, the two people I wanted to lynch originally, so of course I'm not going to keep my vote there. Since when do you care if other people agree with you? What? No one is voting lazer or robik, I'm not going to waste my vote. I would much rather vote the self-voting chyz. Ok, why is chyz scum? You defended him earlier.
I'm voting chyz because he self voted and left the thread. Call it a policy lynch. I'm not unvoting him. I defended him because all DrH has done for 15 pages of filter is tunnel him.
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jat just remember that you said I was easy to read
good enough for me
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On January 02 2015 13:24 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
You managed to post your thoughts on both chyz and geript without making any kind of indication of eithers alignment but seems like u lean town on thechyz?
I lean must die on thechyz. He's who I want to vote so that's who I'm voting. If he were town it would have been easy for him to avoid being lynched today.
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On January 02 2015 13:27 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On January 02 2015 13:27 batsnacks wrote:On January 02 2015 13:24 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
You managed to post your thoughts on both chyz and geript without making any kind of indication of eithers alignment but seems like u lean town on thechyz? I lean must die on thechyz. He's who I want to vote so that's who I'm voting. If he were town it would have been easy for him to avoid being lynched today. And if he were scum it would not be easy?
I will try to give some perspective.
Let's say thechyz gets lynched today and he flips town.
Then let's say for the sake of the argument that tomorrow, you claim scum and vote yourself in the same post.
I would vote you tomorrow.
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On January 02 2015 13:31 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On January 02 2015 13:29 batsnacks wrote:On January 02 2015 13:27 justanothertownie wrote:On January 02 2015 13:27 batsnacks wrote:On January 02 2015 13:24 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
You managed to post your thoughts on both chyz and geript without making any kind of indication of eithers alignment but seems like u lean town on thechyz? I lean must die on thechyz. He's who I want to vote so that's who I'm voting. If he were town it would have been easy for him to avoid being lynched today. And if he were scum it would not be easy? I will try to give some perspective. Let's say thechyz gets lynched today and he flips town. Then let's say for the sake of the argument that tomorrow, you claim scum and vote yourself in the same post. I would vote you tomorrow. Then you surely are ok if I vote you for that, right? Because even if you are town you are a liability since you aren't trying to win the game.
It doesn't really matter to me what you do but I am trying to win.
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On January 02 2015 13:34 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On January 02 2015 13:33 batsnacks wrote:On January 02 2015 13:31 justanothertownie wrote:On January 02 2015 13:29 batsnacks wrote:On January 02 2015 13:27 justanothertownie wrote:On January 02 2015 13:27 batsnacks wrote:On January 02 2015 13:24 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
You managed to post your thoughts on both chyz and geript without making any kind of indication of eithers alignment but seems like u lean town on thechyz? I lean must die on thechyz. He's who I want to vote so that's who I'm voting. If he were town it would have been easy for him to avoid being lynched today. And if he were scum it would not be easy? I will try to give some perspective. Let's say thechyz gets lynched today and he flips town. Then let's say for the sake of the argument that tomorrow, you claim scum and vote yourself in the same post. I would vote you tomorrow. Then you surely are ok if I vote you for that, right? Because even if you are town you are a liability since you aren't trying to win the game. It doesn't really matter to me what you do but I am trying to win. Then you should try not to be mislynched if you are town. Currently you are leading the votecount if I am not mistaken. So if you want to win the game as town you should show me a better target right now.
I'm voting the better target jat. He 1) claimed scum 2) voted himself 3) left
All in the same post.
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On January 02 2015 13:34 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On January 02 2015 13:33 batsnacks wrote:On January 02 2015 13:31 justanothertownie wrote:On January 02 2015 13:29 batsnacks wrote:On January 02 2015 13:27 justanothertownie wrote:On January 02 2015 13:27 batsnacks wrote:On January 02 2015 13:24 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
You managed to post your thoughts on both chyz and geript without making any kind of indication of eithers alignment but seems like u lean town on thechyz? I lean must die on thechyz. He's who I want to vote so that's who I'm voting. If he were town it would have been easy for him to avoid being lynched today. And if he were scum it would not be easy? I will try to give some perspective. Let's say thechyz gets lynched today and he flips town. Then let's say for the sake of the argument that tomorrow, you claim scum and vote yourself in the same post. I would vote you tomorrow. Then you surely are ok if I vote you for that, right? Because even if you are town you are a liability since you aren't trying to win the game. It doesn't really matter to me what you do but I am trying to win. Then you should try not to be mislynched if you are town. Currently you are leading the votecount if I am not mistaken. So if you want to win the game as town you should show me a better target right now.
You gonna unvote me if I claim scum, vote myself, and leave the thread? Because that's what got thechyz off the hook.
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On January 02 2015 13:38 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On January 02 2015 13:37 batsnacks wrote:On January 02 2015 13:34 justanothertownie wrote:On January 02 2015 13:33 batsnacks wrote:On January 02 2015 13:31 justanothertownie wrote:On January 02 2015 13:29 batsnacks wrote:On January 02 2015 13:27 justanothertownie wrote:On January 02 2015 13:27 batsnacks wrote:On January 02 2015 13:24 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
You managed to post your thoughts on both chyz and geript without making any kind of indication of eithers alignment but seems like u lean town on thechyz? I lean must die on thechyz. He's who I want to vote so that's who I'm voting. If he were town it would have been easy for him to avoid being lynched today. And if he were scum it would not be easy? I will try to give some perspective. Let's say thechyz gets lynched today and he flips town. Then let's say for the sake of the argument that tomorrow, you claim scum and vote yourself in the same post. I would vote you tomorrow. Then you surely are ok if I vote you for that, right? Because even if you are town you are a liability since you aren't trying to win the game. It doesn't really matter to me what you do but I am trying to win. Then you should try not to be mislynched if you are town. Currently you are leading the votecount if I am not mistaken. So if you want to win the game as town you should show me a better target right now. You gonna unvote me if I claim scum, vote myself, and leave the thread? Because that's what got thechyz off the hook. That's not what got him off the hook as far as I am concerned.
Well it certainly wasn't all the posts he made AFTER he claimed scum and voted himself. lol
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On January 02 2015 13:39 justanothertownie wrote:
Tell me who you think is scum and why. If you keep insisting on your stupid policy vote for your townread you are going down.
I've already said this.
marv and lazer for how they sheeped the geript vote.
robik because he's not calling people out or calling people bad.
thechyz - claimed scum, self voted, left the thread under pressure.
Other interesting people that have been talked about today:
vivax - scum vivax I usually associate with being very active d1 then falling off in activity later on in the game. I have played with vivax as scum once and that is how he described his scum meta to me. so this game doesn't exactly align with that scum meta but he's someone I think should be focused on.
DrH - had the easiest 15 page d1 filter ever. all he did the entire day was dissect every sentence thechyz wrote.
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GL dealing with thechyz if I get lynched though and I mean that sincerely
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On January 02 2015 13:49 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On January 02 2015 13:47 batsnacks wrote:On January 02 2015 13:39 justanothertownie wrote:
Tell me who you think is scum and why. If you keep insisting on your stupid policy vote for your townread you are going down. I've already said this. marv and lazer for how they sheeped the geript vote. robik because he's not calling people out or calling people bad. thechyz - claimed scum, self voted, left the thread under pressure. Other interesting people that have been talked about today: vivax - scum vivax I usually associate with being very active d1 then falling off in activity later on in the game. I have played with vivax as scum once and that is how he described his scum meta to me. so this game doesn't exactly align with that scum meta but he's someone I think should be focused on. DrH - had the easiest 15 page d1 filter ever. all he did the entire day was dissect every sentence thechyz wrote. Ok. Why is geript town?
I don't have a reason why geript is town. I just don't think he's scummy enough or did anything scummy enough for half the game to vote him over a ~2 hour period.
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I will vote to save myself if I need to, just so ya'll know.
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I could use 1 to save me fyi
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Ya'll suck
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