Imperial Mafia

On January 08 2015 19:14 Palmar wrote:
Whatever.

I cba with this tonight. See you tomorrow.

On January 08 2015 19:25 Palmar wrote:
marv your main mission is to clear me so people don't do dumb shit.

Could you do that for me please?

On December 31 2014 20:52 Palmar wrote:
Btw, as I'm probably going to be mostly unavailable today (it's new year's eve... why did we even start?). I'll just throw out very much not curated thoughts I had while reading up to like page... 16?

I'll catch up with the rest later.

geript is sort of scummy in some respects. I have no idea why 20 minutes into the game he started wishing for random people to be there to talk to him. Also, everything he says is sort of... too clean? not dumb enough? I don't know how to describe it and it's just a feeling based on memory, I haven't gone back and re-read, so I'd need to confirm.

Eden came off strong and he said something I thought was really dumb.

DrH is probably town, and he had a post that made me feel good about that read.

Damdred is probably town too. He too has a post I can't remember that made me think "oh that looks like a townie".

Koshi overreacting on this page (21) to DrH's dismissal of koshi's defense was kinda mafia. Idk though.

I should probably just sheep marv and lynch him if he's wrong. That's always a fine strategy.

Remember, these reads I'm just throwing out literally from memory of having read like 4-6 pages this morning. Don't pretend these are some concrete observations.

On January 02 2015 20:37 Palmar wrote:
I'm really demotivated to even play now. Probably gonna just afk through the night and see if I turn up dead or not.

If I am alive I might just park my vote on Robik out of spite and never change it for playing terribly.

On January 02 2015 00:25 Palmar wrote:
Alright, let's talk business. I've read up to page 30 so anything that happens after that I have no idea about.

Artanis is best town. I feel fairly confident in this read. I don't think anyone is calling him mafia so I don't think I need to cite any examples really.

KelsierSC is probably town too. I particularly thought his sarcastic post towards.... idontremember, the one marv quoted, was okay. Less confident but still, no reason to even consider lynching today. Also, he articulated some of the problems I had with geript's posting until that point.

DrH is very likely town. I highly agree with Robik that he seems to genuinely believe he's onto something with this chyz read. He's constantly pushing it, almost forcing it down people's throat. If chyz is town (which I very well think might tbe the case) DrH is not the mafia on his wagon.

Robik I'm not entirely sure about, but the simple fact that he pointed out things I was already thinking about DrH makes him more likely to be town than mafia. I don't think we need to lynch him today.

Batsnacks is sort of meh whatever, but at least he is quite unapologetic about his lazy posting. Maybe a very, very slight lean town read.

TheChyz is the hardest read in this game. Everything he says sounds like he's mafia, which probably makes him town. He posts a bit like nb or something. Lacks confidence and his reads are all very meh. I think the main reason I don't want to lynch him is the thing Artanis pointed out where he started his defense by talking about the only player defending him. Like this guy could very well be mafia but starsenses are telling me I should not lynch him today. If he's mafia, I'm simply gonna look for the other mafia instead.

@Chyz: if you're town, step up bro.

Koshi is another hard read. So I actually don't think Chyz needs to be lynched, and if I had to answer now I'd guess Chyz is town. However, Koshi had an unnaturally strong read on Chyz as town. Like I felt like he should have had no business thinking Chyz is town at that point. But then Koshi kept talking to Artanis (I think it was artanis...) and I started feeling less bad about him as he posted more. I'd say I lean slightly town on him, but I don't feel very confident on it.

Lazermonkey: I initially thought he was okay, but I see now multiple people want to call him mafia in the last pages before 30. He's probably the guy I need to re-read out of the people I have opinions on. He pushed Chyz which I feel is ok, after all, everything Chyz says sounds like mafia talking. But maybe he's just sort of piling on. He's null and maybe even leaning mafia. I don't know.

Damdred is up and down. I actually agreed with the people that said mafia damdred wouldn't open with a joke mafia claim. But he's also been fairly shit in the thread, and the fact he suspected DrH over Ritoky there in that post was kind of odd. He's probably a slightly leaning mafia guy.

Eden1892 started off weird (with the stuff with DrH), but he kept posting and kept raising his status. I think he's more likely to be town than mafia. I can't exactly remember when the flip happened (I initially thought he was kinda mafia) but I'm okay with him for now.

Ritoky is a complete mystery to me. He tried to bury DrH with completely asinine reasoning. Like he's gotta be a complete moron to think DrH's policies would apply to a joke somewhere in the game. However, this is so dumb I'm not even sure it has to come from mafia, it might just be ritoky jumping some random shit he saw. I have no idea what his alignment is.

Marv, because of the two reads above I don't actually feel all that good about marv. I do expect to mislynch him some game in the close future, because I am almost 100% certain marv wants to play a town game where he posts little, just so he can do so in the future and so playing mafia isn't as painful to him. However I now disagree with the things I said about Eden, or well, I think his subsequent posts made him look better, so marv agreeing with me was kinda off, and I also don't think we can read too much into the ritoky thing. Also, if marv actually had found something, I'd think he wanted to push it. Re-reading lazermonkey and seeing if marv saying he could lynch him is justifiable will help with reading marv. For now he's sort of maybe slightly kinda leaning scum.

JAT. Parroting other players. Does it as both alignments, no idea what he is. Don't particularly care for now.

Geript. We lynch this man today. He is the one in the aftermath of DrH's case on Chyz that came off as mafia. First of all he seemed to immediately make a "mental note" that Chyz was newb town. There was, at the time, nothing in the thread that suggested Chyz was town. There were reasons to wait and see, but to say he's town is way over the top. Also, in the following discussion, I feel like unlike Koshi, geript did basically nothing to actually advance his read or influence anyone to follow him. It's the difference of passively "being right" (in case chyz is town) and aggressively defending him (like koshi did). Add in what I said earlier about how his posting was fairly clean and he was appealing to veterans and I actually want to lynch him.

sicklucker. I had a thought on him but I don't remember. Probably mafia because his posts are so boring I don't even remember them. But I'll reread later and decide. Could very well be town with little time.

Superbia, GB, Vivax and RoL haven't basically posted at all, so here is a wisdom nugget. Out of the lurker list (those 4), you should shoot RoL. Just trust me on this one. If we have a vigilante, shoot the fuck out of RoL.

##Vote Geript

On January 08 2015 19:42 KelsierSC wrote:


im not cop hunting

I want LM, specifically, to tell me who the cop is

On January 08 2015 19:46 Vivax wrote:


its ok bro just read my filter and sheep me
Drh wasnt being scumread anyway except when he started going afk so you wont even have to defend yourself this game

On January 08 2015 19:49 Palmar wrote:


You have to read in context.

I wanted to lynch geript. I got a wagon going on geript, when I went to sleep geript was the leading candidate for a lynch. However when I woke up town had voteswitched on to batsnacks (and not Vivax as I had suggested) and killed him. This led me to being extremely frustrated as I didn't even know people were considering batsnacks as a lynch target and I had read batsnacks as town.

On January 08 2015 06:50 marvellosity wrote:
fuck i'm terrified that he's the cop but i can't see how he can be the cop

On January 08 2015 20:03 Palmar wrote:


They're not inconclusive garbage. In fact, me hedging half my calls with wording like "very slight leaning town read" is probably the biggest tell that I am town this game.

However I also wouldn't expect just about anyone to understand that.

It's basically me trying not to be wrong, or if I am wrong have something to point to "hey look, I told you I just called him town for this small thing, not my fault he didn't end up being town". If I was mafia I'd be far more confident in my reads, or so I think, at least.

And the list post was basically me trying to do useful stuff. I decided to punch in what I was thinking at that point in the game.

and I already explained why I called DrH town.

On January 08 2015 20:08 KelsierSC wrote:


read the thread

On January 08 2015 20:15 KelsierSC wrote:
so he is just useless basically

On January 08 2015 20:15 Vivax wrote:


I want to see you read 300 pages just like that.
I'd probably just read filters and the latest day.

DP I feel like you're the hero we've been needing.

Can you tell me what we should do if marv is alive D4 without leading a lynch on scum?

On January 08 2015 07:10 KelsierSC wrote:
i'd actually rather not lynch ritoky today

all that we get today is everyone votes on rit and we get no info.

On January 08 2015 07:10 marvellosity wrote:

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On January 08 2015 20:28 KelsierSC wrote:


make a point dont just post gifs

On January 08 2015 20:36 KelsierSC wrote:
luckily DrH was town so I can just totally ignore you

mods please never do this again, thanks

On January 08 2015 10:22 IAmRobik wrote:

Because I'm the greatest mafia player on this fucking planet. Maybe if you were on my level, you would have thought about your fake checks before you gave them. Specifically that SL check. That was terrible. No cop would EVER check SL there. Like, there's literally no reason to check SL there because if he keeps his claim, you counter as cop and get him lynched because his claim already sucks. If he's town, mafia might actually believe him and kill him, so you'd have a wasted check. So like, next time you decide to fake cop, you should plan stuff like this out.

On January 08 2015 20:49 KelsierSC wrote:


do you?

On January 08 2015 20:53 marvellosity wrote:

ikr. pretty unsatisfying.

On January 08 2015 20:53 marvellosity wrote:

Kelsier has looked preeetty town to me. One of the issues is that Superbia's interactions with everything look fake.

On January 09 2015 10:15 marvellosity wrote:
if we want to go meta, my filter is already considerably larger than any of my scumgames and in less cycles. Despite myself.

that's hard meta.

On January 09 2015 10:11 Vivax wrote:


Mate that is exactly what I have been proposing, I suddenly want to hug you.
But one of the claimed cops says he wants to not lynch into the cop claims cause then he's supposed to get more checks off.

On January 09 2015 10:18 marvellosity wrote:

Good boy. You'll also know that I'll just repeat the point ad nauseum if I have to. Always works eventually.

On January 09 2015 10:27 Vivax wrote:


Robik obviously.

On January 09 2015 11:39 GlowingBear wrote:
DP just tell me who I should lynch tomorrow and I'll sheep you

On January 09 2015 12:31 GlowingBear wrote:
You know SL also claimed right?

On January 09 2015 12:53 IAmRobik wrote:
Again,

In case I get night killed. PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE LYNCH VIVAX BEFORE RITOKY. PLEASE. DO ME ONE SOLID

On January 09 2015 12:37 Damdred wrote:
Robik seemed to believe SL (and others did to) he wasn't under pressure at that point then SL descended during the night. Rit and kel gave him hell and poked at him and his story.

On January 09 2015 16:20 sicklucker wrote:
Then palmer? Me and artanis have a likely autowin list im just trying to guide town to follow it as best I can before im dead

On January 09 2015 20:17 marvellosity wrote:
sl, I play mafia in an exceptionally simple way.

I don't make plays, I don't fakeclaim. I like clarity.

I vote who has the highest chance of flipping mafia.

I'm going to vote ritoky while ritoky is confirmed mafia. And I don't mean "confirmed" in the way you lazily throw about, I mean he is absolutely mafia and there isn't a world where he isn't. That sort of confirmed.

And I will see his blood run, and lo, it will be good.

On January 10 2015 10:35 GlowingBear wrote:


K

You think I'm wrong?

On January 10 2015 10:55 GlowingBear wrote:


I'm extremely uninvolved with this game and I can't really understand why.
I'm not going to do much hardwork. If you think I should be lynched, okay.
But I'm town and you'll be wasting a lynch.

I have some signals that I'm town. I could show you but I don't think that's really my job...

On January 10 2015 11:04 Vivax wrote:


Essentially cause you list things that I would expect you to deem as unimportant, unless listing them is for the purpose of making you look like you're scumhunting.

I don't know why DP scumreads you but I found that particular part odd. It's not the sort of stuff I'd scream for you to be mafia though, but if I find more that makes me think that I'll add it on top.

On January 10 2015 11:15 GlowingBear wrote:


It always seems forced when someone tries to prove his towniness. It always looks forced and it also reveals self consciousness, which could result on people saying that I did things on purpose to gain towncred.

Anyway, one motive is that ritoky read me as town out if the blue in his first list post not be have, when it was impossible to discover my alignment

On January 10 2015 11:18 GlowingBear wrote:


Hmm I've never said the bolded?

[B]On January 10 2015 07:32 GlowingBear wrote:


No, it was koshi who stated that day1 and that's an okay reason to townread him. But if you consider he was voting himself, and that if his rage quit was fake, he could simply change votes to the second wagon (town geript)

There was no need for that, as the bats shenannies went on.

TheChyz is probably mafia. Which could make Helvetica town.

On January 10 2015 11:20 GlowingBear wrote:


Nope. Because I can't prove my towniness if my reasoning seems forced. Simply as that

On January 10 2015 11:21 GlowingBear wrote:
Your push on me seems weird.

On January 10 2015 11:24 GlowingBear wrote:
I've voted ritoky day3. Kept my vote on him. Defended Superbia saying that he was obviously a miunch planned by mafia when he was certain going to flip red.

If Superbia was mafias choice to die, what s in motive did I HS e to defend Superbia?

On January 10 2015 11:25 GlowingBear wrote:
In a silent thread, with the lynch well defined, I started posting to further solve the game.

What is the scum motive to push the thread forward?

On January 10 2015 11:28 GlowingBear wrote:
When I was completely under the radar, I've posted areas that everybody ignored. I've as meddle attention because I've already got few posts.

What is my scum motivation to draw attention to me when I already contributed and still got under the radar?

On January 10 2015 11:31 GlowingBear wrote:


HAHAHAHAHAHA
See? This is exactly what I said it was going to happen.

Answer: yes, because I'm not being strongly scum read, I had no motive to gain towncred with it. I'm also giving another scum, lazermonkey, on a silver platter

On January 10 2015 11:36 GlowingBear wrote:


The read post was earlier and I specifically asked for attention. I could jus the e posted the reads and when confronted, showed them, instead of actually asking for town to care about what I write.

I've posted a lot of POV's why I'm town. Palmar read me as town weirdly. So did Ritoky. And so did Artanis at some point. They're keeping me alive if they are mafia, which I believe so.

I've being scumreading them since the beginning.
I heavily criticised a post from palmar. Why would I scumread possible townies that are reading me as town?

The list goes on, DP. I'm an uninvolved townie, not a lurker scum.

On January 10 2015 11:39 GlowingBear wrote:


I'm trying to solve the game, not to gain towncred. I said through a mafia perspective. If I'm not being scumread, I don't have to try to gain towncred.

In fact, this is exactly what you said. And is exactly what I did. And you're still scumreading me

On January 10 2015 11:44 sicklucker wrote:
Oh and he told ritoky to stop doing it in the wrong thread. He forgot this wasint scum qt



This message was super out of context. Lm was not under any real pressure and lm was kind of scum reading me.

On January 11 2015 08:46 Vivax wrote:
If you spot any oddities it's probably cause i'm slightly wasted, but only slightly, and I feel the stuff I write still makes sense.

On January 11 2015 08:47 marvellosity wrote:
ritoky is my god-damn lynch, dumbo

On January 11 2015 08:54 marvellosity wrote:

i started and repeatedly pushed the wagon d3 that led to him claiming :/

if you went back and re-read d3 you'd see that ritoky becoming the main wagon didn't happen for quite some time, there were votes all over the shop.

On January 11 2015 08:59 marvellosity wrote:

yes, it does make sense :d lol

it's not odd, it's not as shouty.

literally my only regret with how i played so far is that i didn't hardpush superbia on d2. but i can live with that if that's my biggest mistake.

On January 11 2015 09:00 Vivax wrote:
DP read above post

On January 11 2015 09:01 marvellosity wrote:
what of it? 29 pages is way beyond my scumplay. what now?

like if you're gonna scumread me for not being shouty rather than whether i make sense or not, good luck to you.

On January 11 2015 09:06 marvellosity wrote:

so are you really incapable of townreading me unless i shout? is that it?

On January 11 2015 09:14 marvellosity wrote:
like i already said, town should be lynching Palmar tomorrow. that's where my vote is going.

On January 11 2015 09:16 marvellosity wrote:
Palmar is an infinitely better lynch because it forces a defence out of him

On January 12 2015 00:40 GlowingBear wrote:


I've said it before, but again

Scum didn't hammer ritoky when they could. I thought it was because he was the framer, but he flipped goon. It means that they would try to sustain ritoky's copclaim. It doesn't make sense to kill the real cop. Therefore, my conclusion is that they shot Robik expecting he would flip VT so ritoky could follow on with his claim

On January 12 2015 01:34 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Geript posted something about suspecting GB of having too much info too, but reading back it was related to himself being town and Vivax being scum. Given I don't think Vivax is scum that actually weakens the point a little.

Then again GB's reasoning for voting Vivax is pretty bad. His main reasoning was because "Koshi was obvious town".

On January 12 2015 05:05 GlowingBear wrote:


Can you explain to me what happened then?

On January 12 2015 05:26 GlowingBear wrote:
DP: so you believe palmar and marv are both mafia together?

On January 12 2015 05:27 GlowingBear wrote:
Also, DP: what do you think of chez?

On January 12 2015 07:30 marvellosity wrote:

this doesn't make sense to me

On January 17 2015 11:23 marvellosity wrote:
no idea, i thought hts was a shadow

hts had zero effect on anything at all. so there's not much point getting salty about it.

On January 17 2015 11:48 Damdred wrote:
I'd agree with that but I also thought the chez replacement was borderline and your replacement in dp was way overboard. lol

On January 17 2015 13:16 GlowingBear wrote:


Hm.

Like

Scumreading both damdred and marv correctly and being right on Artanis meta as he says in mafia qt?

Probably.

Thank you for your cooperation. Your scumread on me was very helpful