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Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22405 Posts
January 16 2015 16:21 GMT
#9481
Ok, so need to roll out the LM/Marv/Kelsier theory up again as I currently don't think GB is mafia. Back to rereading.
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12971 Posts
January 16 2015 16:22 GMT
#9482
You've decided I'm not scum after all Vivax?
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22405 Posts
January 16 2015 16:22 GMT
#9483
SL is interchangeable with LM at this point.

Gonna need to look into that too, specifically the time of his fake cop claim.
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
January 16 2015 16:24 GMT
#9484
I literally do not know how to find 3 mafia. Like I'm super quickly skimming filters atm to try to save time and just get impressions.

Vivax has a 49 page filter now? Like yesterday (despite the fact i did not say it) i thought Vivax had to be 3rd mafia because no-one else could be. But more than anyone else he seems to be trying to solve the game in lylo. If he is mafia that's a phenomenal effort.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
January 16 2015 16:25 GMT
#9485
by my own metric, marv/LM/Kelsier is the mafia-team, and that's kinda unfortunate.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12971 Posts
January 16 2015 16:25 GMT
#9486
If you can find even one mafia and make a better case on him than there is on yourself that'd be most helpful.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22405 Posts
January 16 2015 16:26 GMT
#9487
On January 17 2015 01:25 marvellosity wrote:
by my own metric, marv/LM/Kelsier is the mafia-team, and that's kinda unfortunate.


Funny, it's just the theory me and Artanis posted last night where we ninjaed each other.
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
January 16 2015 16:26 GMT
#9488
no, not got time for cases.

I really wanted just to say fuck all you fucking jubjubs for lynching me at lylo, but annoyingly I decided I couldn't just throw the game.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
January 16 2015 16:27 GMT
#9489
On January 17 2015 01:26 Vivax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 17 2015 01:25 marvellosity wrote:
by my own metric, marv/LM/Kelsier is the mafia-team, and that's kinda unfortunate.


Funny, it's just the theory me and Artanis posted last night where we ninjaed each other.

Based purely on activity in LYLO, rather than anything more sophisticated and clever.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
January 16 2015 16:28 GMT
#9490
On January 17 2015 01:21 Vivax wrote:
Ok, so need to roll out the LM/Marv/Kelsier theory up again as I currently don't think GB is mafia. Back to rereading.

tell me why please
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12971 Posts
January 16 2015 16:29 GMT
#9491
If for some bizarre reason we decide to spare you today and lynch Kelsier instead can we expect a better effort the next day or are you just going to afk again?
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
January 16 2015 16:30 GMT
#9492
well I guess I decided I should play now. Then again Kelsier seems like a real risky lynch to me.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22405 Posts
January 16 2015 16:30 GMT
#9493
On January 17 2015 01:22 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
You've decided I'm not scum after all Vivax?


I'm putting this aside for the moment since marv is here and kinda claimed scum.
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
January 16 2015 16:32 GMT
#9494
On January 16 2015 10:45 GlowingBear wrote:
There are few games played by Kelsier, but comparing a scum game from a town game, here is what it looks like:

Town Kelsier is marked by aggressiveness

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/465098-guilty-mini-mafia?user=KelsierSC&page=12

I've played Guilty Mini Mafia with him and he was extremely aggressive. It was his FIRST game and his stances were really clear. Whoever read him as scum was promptly answered with a hostile post. Also, his posts seems a bit more extensive when town. Check these posts:

Show nested quote +
On August 26 2014 22:22 KelsierSC wrote:
On August 26 2014 22:12 GlowingBear wrote:
On August 26 2014 20:32 KelsierSC wrote:
On August 26 2014 20:18 Xatalos wrote:
On August 26 2014 20:15 KelsierSC wrote:
On August 26 2014 20:11 Xatalos wrote:
On August 26 2014 20:10 KelsierSC wrote:
On August 26 2014 20:06 Xatalos wrote:
On August 26 2014 20:02 KelsierSC wrote:
[quote]

meh that wasn't how I viewed it, they both switched onto robik with only about 30 seconds left and then you switched after them. Like I said the vote doesn't clear you at all. You basically just voted the other lynch target that wasn't yourself to avoid death. The fact that this has been explained multiple times to you but you still think it clears you as town is baffling.


I don't think it necessarily clears me, as I already explained that I don't fully agree with Damdred's view of the situation. I think it was too chaotic to know the outcome for sure. I'm just saying that as scum I would have taken the risk of keeping my vote on yamato (Robik was GF and not really suspected until then, so he'd have better chances of staying alive and winning at LYLO - especially if he got a green Cop check or something). At least it should slightly improve your image of me. Not that it hugely matters to me what you think at this point since you're extremely tunneled.


He was suspected he had the majority of the votes when you switched


It wasn't based on a case or anything though. Just a coinflip because it felt like both me and yamato could be town.


You had no real credibility you think in the remaining 20 seconds you make a powerful post that takes them back off Robik and onto yam. be real. it was 4 robik 3 on you when you switched, stop trying to use the votes for credibility it just makes you scummier.


Whatever, I'm fine not talking about this topic. So you think Onegu is the best lynch today? Can you convince everyone of that? Because just voting him doesn't do that much.


Sure I will lay down my reasoning.

(A) At this point the vote has to be between VA and Onegu.

I explained my reasons why the claim is genuine.
1)He was in a position where he did not have to fake claim.
2) He had easier outs if he was fake claiming
3) no CC

Then I look at the people pushing this vote. (C)Hapa is a likely SK candidate, he wants to get rid of town at the moment. Xata is scummy as fuck and wants to ML town. (D)GB and turtle I don't think they are reading the game very well at all.

I (E) wonder how deep WoS analysed the claim, he said the claim was bad mainly because VA didn't use the cop role, if you look past that though WoS you can see that no mafia would claim this strangely.

All of that is in defence of the VA is the PR.

So then we come to Onegu. He showed up when people were scum reading rayn and threw some other dogshit onto the fire along with...wait it was Hapa and Xat again. obviously the reads were horse shit as rayn flipped VT. Then he disappears at the time he disappears I think the pressure was on rayn and then on yamato so he had no reason to interject as town was going to ML somehow.

So for Onegu he had a bad, BW read on town. . He disappeared when it appeared town was going down a bad path.


A) I don't get why you assume one of they will be lynched. Easy targets. Are you trying to force us to believe we should lynch onegu?
B) There was no easier out. If he claimed cop, he would be easily counter claimed by a possible cop. Who the hell would counter claim such a rare role as JOAT?
C) Lol so you're hunting the SK instead of mafia, it seems. He probably is because he is not in your mafia qt right?
D) you're trying to discredit our gameplay a lot. We are surely not playing this game well and I said that already, but when people talk about us they are trying to tell you that we are confirmed townies so it's easier to believe in our reads than to believe in someone suspicious. You're trying to discredit too much our gameplay. Is that because you're mafia and we were on the right path?
E) This "no mafia would do" isn't good. Check my Arnie's game.

##Vote: KelsierSC

You're mafia.


Yeh you are fucking retarded or you just don't read properly.

Va or Onegu are the targets for the lynch, they seemed scummy and inactive D1, they were not there for deadline , they seemed happy to let town wonder, they did not vote on robik.

He can claim JoaT and say he checked rayn during the night. Like I have said this multiple times.

I am not "hunting" SK, but my top town don't trust Hapa I can believe he is the SK and I don't think SK would be wise to try and lynch mafia at this point. I KNOW SK DOES NOT KNOW if Va is mafia, but if sk is voting for VA it is more likely he thinks VA is town than mafia.

Your gameplay has been bad in my opinion. In the night you read rayn and me as scum, rayn flipped town and it is fairly obvious I am town. I don't even know what you are doing today.

firstly you think VA is mafia, then I hard defend VA. so you unvote Va thinking he is legit now and then say I am mafia?

If I am mafia I would just push on VA. you have no logic which is why I continue to think your gameplay is bad.

I don't check old games sorry, your logic in THIS GAME is just flawed



Show nested quote +
On August 26 2014 22:51 KelsierSC wrote:
On August 26 2014 22:43 GlowingBear wrote:
On August 26 2014 22:38 KelsierSC wrote:
Also

firstly you think VA is mafia, then I hard defend VA. so you unvote Va thinking he is legit now and then say I am mafia?

If I am mafia I would just push on VA. you have no logic which is why I continue to think your gameplay is bad.


I guess you didn't read this part or the other stuff I wrote that explains my reasons and blows your argument out the water.


If you're mafia you know he will be useless for now on as you probably have a roleblocker and you can always kill the confirmed town by night. It's more beneficial to mafia now to force a mislynch Onegu (as it looked like you were doing considering your post) and nullify a confirmed and useless (on reads) confirmed town by night.

And as you're mafia, you KNOW he is town. Easy to hard defend him.


I don't think you can ever consider what I am doing as "trying to force a ML on Onegu", I gave solid reasons why he is scum none of my reasoning was flawed.

If i "push" on onegu and he is town that reflects badly on me. If I just quietly vote on VA with the rest of town and he dies then there is no suspicion on me at all because everyone thought he was mafia. I think I was the first person to hard defend VA and his claim. I had no reasons for this.

It is painful when confirmed town is this shit tier.




Mafia Kelsier is marked by relaxation and strong townreads

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/468053-fantasy-football-ffl-mini?user=KelsierSC&page=14

Fifth post of his filter:

Show nested quote +
On October 07 2014 00:36 KelsierSC wrote:
Bats and Oats are both town to me, "Bats trap" seems like a good town angle to me, I don't think Oats is faking frustration and it feels town to me.
Ala is town, I like how he pointed out how HF just stepped in and started flinging shit.
Grack seems really jokey and happy and posting a lot so probably town.
.

I don't like HF because of the aforementioned reason and the early vote just felt like he was totally misreading the thread.

On October 06 2014 22:03 Hopeless1der wrote:
Morning guys. We need to liven this place up a bit. Who's ready for some FOOTBALL?

@batsnacks how sure are you that you've caught mafia there...?


I also really didn't like this at all. I think it was such a meaningless and stupid question that no one bothered to respond to it. it just felt like a question to ask to appear active and buddy someone.



It's the fifth post and he has already got townreads over bad reasons. See that he isn't that aggressive in this post either. Calls people town, but HF is just "weird".

Also, look at the bolded on these next quotes. They are similar to some excuses Kelsier brings to the game:

+ Show Spoiler +
On October 14 2014 09:43 KelsierSC wrote:
I made it clear I thought OO was scum after he just abandoned the thread. Was there a really huge push by anyone d1 of any consequence. you pushed on lian, yep. can't think of anything else off the top of my head.

Palmar came into the thread really late and I gave a pretty hard scum read of him, I also gave good reasons why liam is mafia, some of them you included in your big post. but I am not going to push a lynch on someone and maybe ML when it is clear OO is mafia.

I wasn't directing pressure away. at the time bh came in with his RNG I really felt it was disruptive to the thread. I don't see how that makes me scummy if I get annoyed when town gets disrupted.

and this obi thing is just silly, he was scummy, lots of town agreed with me. I led a push on him. I didn't just sit back or switch to an easier target.


On October 15 2014 19:11 KelsierSC wrote:
Slammed at work today, will make my case tonight.

my reads haven't changed, slam is still mafia I think palmar is poisoner.
given obi is cop. I imagine he checked hf n1 and then n2 he checked someone who died and that is why he didn't reveal.
maybe bh was a good check for him. Either way i think the only relevant thing from obi being cop is that he called hf clear town.

for palmar he kind of lurked and didn't contribute until d3 and that point his agenda was to kill hf and then wanting the medic to come out. Didn't agree with the logic. I don't like how he has such a strong town read on me. Yeh ive played a town game but my reads have been off considering i wanted to vote obi.

for slam, what bugs me is that he admits the mafia is between him and me, then he proceeds to vote on dam, why, does he think dam is poisoner, i don't see how anyone can have that belief , again it just seemed like he wanted to lunch anyone that wasn't him. He also spoke nonsense for two days and was happy to vote obi because bh was doing it. I don't like his reasons. His play yesterday was illogical and he seemed to be wanting to cover his tracks. He was happy to be on a hf is psnr wagon with palmar, why isn't he concerned that palmar is suddenly alive and pushing the lynch on hf.
he said "i think palmar and hf are both right" but they were saying different things.
then you look at his votes and it doesn't look good either.

i will make a case with quotes etc tonight, but csnt really do it in my phone.

as for me. Ive been less active last day and night phase but i was still figuring out the game and did some excellent analysis on palmar being poisoner which people just ignored. The main scum read on me is i voted obi. I explained i found him scummy however it is not true that i jumped on a wagon ,.i led the push beginning d2 i had excellent reasons for it.

tldr palmar psnr, slam mafia

all of GB's meta cases are shit-tier.

Seriously the way he introduces townreads in Carol and the way Kelsier introduces them here simply aren't the same by any stretch.

And picking up on little bits of wording like that? that's terrible.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12971 Posts
January 16 2015 16:32 GMT
#9495
On January 17 2015 01:30 marvellosity wrote:
well I guess I decided I should play now. Then again Kelsier seems like a real risky lynch to me.

I look forward to your contributions. You should read the last 20 pages for starters.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22405 Posts
January 16 2015 16:32 GMT
#9496
On January 17 2015 01:22 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
You've decided I'm not scum after all Vivax?


But the D1 Kelsier + you interactions still look sketchy as fuck to me.

Today we lynch either marv or Kelsier and noone else.
sicklucker
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada16987 Posts
January 16 2015 16:34 GMT
#9497
On January 17 2015 01:32 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 17 2015 01:30 marvellosity wrote:
well I guess I decided I should play now. Then again Kelsier seems like a real risky lynch to me.

I look forward to your contributions. You should read the last 20 pages for starters.


Honestly dont, there pretty bad and pointless If I recall
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
January 16 2015 16:35 GMT
#9498
On January 17 2015 01:32 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 17 2015 01:30 marvellosity wrote:
well I guess I decided I should play now. Then again Kelsier seems like a real risky lynch to me.

I look forward to your contributions. You should read the last 20 pages for starters.

yeah not sure when that's supposed to happen.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
January 16 2015 16:36 GMT
#9499
If GB is town, then all his cases and reads are built on totally incorrect things, and unlike Vivax he doesn't have the saving grace of being insanely invested at just the right times.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22405 Posts
January 16 2015 16:37 GMT
#9500
On January 17 2015 01:28 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 17 2015 01:21 Vivax wrote:
Ok, so need to roll out the LM/Marv/Kelsier theory up again as I currently don't think GB is mafia. Back to rereading.

tell me why please


The way he cried for joy when we were lynching Palmar and SL was waffling so hard on switching to him, while GB was believing Palmar to flip red.

THen some other point where he went nuts out of joy when Kelsier was uncovered as scum. Can't remember exactly this part and cba to go read it now.
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