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I kount vot and stahp it
ritoky (1): Superbia
TheChyz (2): Vivax, TheChyz
geript (6): Palmar, Lazermonkey, Marvellosity, KelsierSC, batsnacks
sicklucker (1): ritoky
Vivax (3): Koshi, geript, Glowingbear
Batsnacks (7): Justanothertownie, Eden1892, DoctorHelvetica, Artanis[XP], Damdred, sicklucker, IAmRobik
Not Voting: folks
batsnacks is lynched.
until deadline.
I Count this vote sons
Vivax (3): IAmRobik, geript, ritoky
Superbia (4): Damdred, sicklucker, marvellosity, justanothertownie
IAmRobik (1): Superbia
geript (6): Vivax, DoctorHelvetica, Lazermonkey, palmar, VisceraEyes, Artanis[XP]
Geript is lynched.
Deadline is in
Coming back to this later hopefully, first glance notes:
- voting pairs: artanis & drH ; damdred & SL ; lazermonkey & palmar
- lots of confirmed towns have voted on vivax
- Marv has been on the secondary wagon both times
- ritoky and superbia have yet to cast a vote on either of the primary 2 wagons
- drH and Artanis are the only living players to have directly contributed to both lynches
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Sicklucker's cop claim is a pile of shit. I mean it is really steamy. Like he "blatantly" softs a green check on LM; 3 people ask him about his read on LM, he responds to none of them. 2 of the 3 keep pushing on him for his read even though he blatantly refuses to respond and so he scum reads them for it. What the hell is that crap? You're scum reading people for asking you for a reason? AND calling them bad? W/e move on.
He has scum read superbia and ksc for pushing for a reason for his read on a "blatant" soft that literally 0 people picked up on. But then he changes his story entirely claiming to have a green on damdred now instead; which first and foremost is a load of crap, however when he changes his story for who his green check is on, he doesn't change his reads. He continues reading superbia and ksc scum for pushing for a reason on a FAKE check that he has admitted to lying about; and keeps that as a base presmise of his read.
Then to put the cherry on top he lumps me in with ksc and superbia claiming that I joined in on the pressuring of the cop. Only to rescind the claim entirely because it is the biggest crap claim since my fake cop claim with a green check (going to talk about that next); yet after that he doesn't rescind or modify his scum reads at all even though they are predicated on him lying to people, them noticing the lie and pointing it out/seeking justification.
On January 05 2015 15:10 sicklucker wrote:
Like reminder lets not talk about cops untill day 3. ritoky,ksc,sup spent more time worrying about it then scum hunting. ksc didnt even vote because he was too occupied asking me stupid questions. Like I probably die tonight
I would like to remind you that I did not post between when you claimed cop and when I voted, yet here he is lumping me in and placing blame. You want to scum read me for being disengaged from the game? That's fine (WIFOM: I post more and am more engaged as mafia, look it up). But to accuse me of this stupid shit is just a lie. It is just setting me up as ML bait.
Now as I mentioned before, his claim is the worst since I bungled the crap out of a fake cop claim about 5 months ago? Not exactly sure, been sifting through my games trying to find the posts so I can quote them, no luck so far. If I find them I will quote them. The point is, I did something VERY similar to what SL did in terms of cop claim, where I faked a check, changed my story, and in night phase I rescinded my claim. It was met with such utter hostility and regarded as the worst play people had ever seen both during and after the game. One person in particular was championing that: Robik. He was mafia in the game, so his in game comments are negligible but he spent 2 solid pages after the game railing into me about how it was the worst play ever and he would lynch the living hell out of anyone who did that stupid crap as either alignment. In this game? He seems to have simply accepted it with 0 qualms. Robik could very well be mafia here.
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On January 06 2015 20:02 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2015 20:00 ritoky wrote:
Now as I mentioned before, his claim is the worst since I bungled the crap out of a fake cop claim about 5 months ago? Not exactly sure, been sifting through my games trying to find the posts so I can quote them, no luck so far. If I find them I will quote them. The point is, I did something VERY similar to what SL did in terms of cop claim, where I faked a check, changed my story, and in night phase I rescinded my claim. It was met with such utter hostility and regarded as the worst play people had ever seen both during and after the game. One person in particular was championing that: Robik. He was mafia in the game, so his in game comments are negligible but he spent 2 solid pages after the game railing into me about how it was the worst play ever and he would lynch the living hell out of anyone who did that stupid crap as either alignment. In this game? He seems to have simply accepted it with 0 qualms. Robik could very well be mafia here. you were town there?
yes i was VT, fake claimed cop with red check on someone, rescinded the red check and said actually had green check on diff person, then rescinded cop claim in night phase. not exactly same case as here, but similar enough to where robik should have freaked at least a little.
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On January 06 2015 20:05 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2015 20:04 ritoky wrote:On January 06 2015 20:02 marvellosity wrote:On January 06 2015 20:00 ritoky wrote:
Now as I mentioned before, his claim is the worst since I bungled the crap out of a fake cop claim about 5 months ago? Not exactly sure, been sifting through my games trying to find the posts so I can quote them, no luck so far. If I find them I will quote them. The point is, I did something VERY similar to what SL did in terms of cop claim, where I faked a check, changed my story, and in night phase I rescinded my claim. It was met with such utter hostility and regarded as the worst play people had ever seen both during and after the game. One person in particular was championing that: Robik. He was mafia in the game, so his in game comments are negligible but he spent 2 solid pages after the game railing into me about how it was the worst play ever and he would lynch the living hell out of anyone who did that stupid crap as either alignment. In this game? He seems to have simply accepted it with 0 qualms. Robik could very well be mafia here. you were town there? yes i was VT, fake claimed cop with red check on someone, rescinded the red check and said actually had green check on diff person, then rescinded cop claim in night phase. not exactly same case as here, but similar enough to where robik should have freaked at least a little. So what are you doing? You spend multiple paragraphs throwing shit on sl for making a play that you also did as... town? Then Robik acted one way as mafia, and acts a totally different way this time, so he is mafia? How does that make sense?
my post isn't about his claim, i actually have a lower scum read on him now than i did before, i don't instantly want to lynch him. my problem with him is his reads. he bases his current scum reads on people calling him out on a lie that he has admitted to as being a lie. yet he doesn't seem to question people who just accepted his lies with 0 questions. that's my issue. he has moved up from instant-lynch to like 3rd lynch status.
did you not read it? i said disregard his in-game comments. my point is he was still freaking about it for 2 or more pages AFTER the game. claiming as either alignment he would shit all over the claim and lynch it every time.
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On January 06 2015 20:11 marvellosity wrote:
oh right i see. what was his reaction during the actual game?
can't remember it exactly, hence why i am looking for it. i think i soft claimed cop with a check, but didn't want to out the check until later in the phase, he spammed me with caps until i outed the check. then when i changed the check he really wanted to lynch me but someone talked him out of it. then when i rescinded the cop claim entirely he went ape shit. don't quote me on that exactly though, like i said i haven't found the game yet.
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anywayz, i really think that DrH, artanis and kelsier are town.
i know DrH has fallen off a bit from his day 1; but his day 1 was pretty fucking town now that i am removed from my anger of trying to equate hypocrisy = mafia on him. it is just really hard for me to imagine DrH as anything but town this game.
artanis has voted with DrH and contributed to both of the lynches in the game, and artanis' play is really really town. i think him and DrH are two towns who have been sheeping the wrong cases and/or have bad reads.
kelsier i have as town because he has had similar thought processes as me a lot of the game and i have read his train of thought (particularly on SL) and can really follow it.
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On January 06 2015 20:18 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2015 20:13 marvellosity wrote:On January 06 2015 20:12 Vivax wrote:On January 06 2015 19:59 marvellosity wrote:
you literally gave it as your prime example to counter my argument that the largest filter pushing things at EoD was never mafia. So you must have felt it was pretty worthy. Now you downplay yourself.
It doesn't matter as I was talking about my general level of scum play to SL, overall I always have low activity and in that particular case I had a surge of activity when I saved Obi from getting lynched over another townie for obvious benefits. I never had the largest filter as mafia and I only made it once to endgame, that's a fact. then why the shit were you trying to use it as an example to counter my point about largest filter + trying at EoD? just randomly decided to ditch half my premise or something? Cause I was thinking JAT was mafia for reasons mentioned and then you popped up with a filter size argument in spite of all that I posted. I knew of myself that I pushed things at EoD as mafia and saw that as a reason to not townread people easily for it. But in my case the filter size is a very good predictor. Not even 40 posts in titanic, and 6 pages in LVIII. I just cba to be active for no reason as mafia. Won't be talking further about this as it increases the distance to my arguments for SL being scum. Not sure why you think he's obvious town when he was incoherent with his mentioning of reads and got cold feet when I scumread him.
I am conflicted on SL, because I can understand the perspective of fake claiming cop and the shit he did (as I explained before) coming from a VT perspective; but I also don't understand how his reads are so stagnant and he scum reads people very hard for calling him out while he is straight lying to them (admittedly so at that).
So could you quickly explain to me why he is scum in your eyes. Or quote a previous post, I have forgotten a lot of things trying to catch up with nearly 100 pages of thread.
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On January 06 2015 20:16 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2015 20:14 ritoky wrote:On January 06 2015 20:11 marvellosity wrote:
oh right i see. what was his reaction during the actual game? can't remember it exactly, hence why i am looking for it. i think i soft claimed cop with a check, but didn't want to out the check until later in the phase, he spammed me with caps until i outed the check. then when i changed the check he really wanted to lynch me but someone talked him out of it. then when i rescinded the cop claim entirely he went ape shit. don't quote me on that exactly though, like i said i haven't found the game yet. the thing is, right, what people say they would do when they're not in-game doesn't necessarily reflect on what they would do in-game, for a whole number of reasons the important reference is how they dealt with it in-game, and if they're dissimilar, then that's actually a decent argument for robik being town, primarily because he's not shitting the thread up about a claim that's actually very likely to make sl town.
i think post-game is more relevant because it is agenda-less and he has no reason to lie at that point. which should convey his actual feelings about claims like that. the fact that he is masking that here is odd to me. as i said, i am undecided on it leaning toward it making him mafia.
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I kount vot and stahp it
ritoky (1): Superbia
TheChyz (2): Vivax, TheChyz
geript (6): Palmar, Lazermonkey, Marvellosity, KelsierSC, batsnacks
sicklucker (1): ritoky
Vivax (3): Koshi, geript, Glowingbear
Batsnacks (7): Justanothertownie, Eden1892, DoctorHelvetica, Artanis[XP], Damdred, sicklucker, IAmRobik
Not Voting: folks
batsnacks is lynched.
until deadline.
I Count this vote sons
Vivax (3): IAmRobik, geript, ritoky
Superbia (4): Damdred, sicklucker, marvellosity, justanothertownie, (kelsiersc)
IAmRobik (1): Superbia
geript (6): Vivax, DoctorHelvetica, Lazermonkey, palmar, VisceraEyes, Artanis[XP]
Geript is lynched.
Deadline is in
reposting the votes with my town reads
blue = my town reads
Note: kelsier attempted to vote on superbia but failed to bold his post in the voting thread, hence why i added him in parenthesis.
I think if you look at the votes with these reads, the first vote in particular is highly interesting. I would bet quite a bit on there being 2 mafia between SL, damdred, and robik. There's no way the first day lynch was 100% townies. SL was the hammer vote on a town...ugh that guy is so confusing to me now.
I still find marv being on the second wagon BOTH times as really bizarre and makes me for certain want to keep him in my scum pile. Like my eyes were drawn to it last time, and when I redid it with my top 3 town reads I noticed it again.
Also GB's no-vote on day 2 is a really big problem for me. I don't really have a good read on him at this point; and no good vote info is even worse.
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On January 06 2015 20:44 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2015 20:42 ritoky wrote:
I still find marv being on the second wagon BOTH times as really bizarre and makes me for certain want to keep him in my scum pile. Like my eyes were drawn to it last time, and when I redid it with my top 3 town reads I noticed it again.
You are aware that I go to bed several hours before deadline (being european), and on d1 batsnacks didn't have a single vote when i went to sleep, yes? it's like scumreading me for not being awake at 5am. it's ... ridiculous.
idk i still haven't really gotten over how shallow your reads on day 1 were, particularly your read on me. in the past i have doubted my day 1/night 1 reads pretty heavily later in the game and changed them quite a bit only to see in endgame that my day1/n1 reads were like 75% accurate. i scum read you and SL in particular in that time frame and koshi sold gave a pretty good sequencing case on vivax that i liked.
so i am not coming off those reads very easily.
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i am so good at english at 4 am
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On January 06 2015 20:57 Lazermonkey wrote:
SL didn't say who he checked?
he rescinded his cop claim entirely saying he isn't cop....after he changed his fake green check from you to damdred.
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Sorry for the vote spam, but deal with it.
I kount vot and stahp it
ritoky (1): Superbia
TheChyz (2): Vivax, TheChyz
geript (6): Palmar, Lazermonkey, Marvellosity, KelsierSC, batsnacks
sicklucker (1): ritoky
Vivax (3): Koshi, geript, Glowingbear
Batsnacks (7): Justanothertownie, Eden1892, DoctorHelvetica, Artanis[XP], Damdred, sicklucker, IAmRobik
Not Voting: folks
batsnacks is lynched.
until deadline.
I Count this vote sons
Vivax (3): IAmRobik, geript, ritoky
Superbia (4): Damdred, sicklucker, marvellosity, justanothertownie, (kelsiersc)
IAmRobik (1): Superbia
geript (6): Vivax, DoctorHelvetica, Lazermonkey, palmar, VisceraEyes, Artanis[XP]
Geript is lynched.
Deadline is in
reposting the votes with my town reads
blue = my town reads
Note: kelsier attempted to vote on superbia but failed to bold his post in the voting thread, hence why i added him in parenthesis.
I have added Lazermonkey as another one of my town reads now because he was the one who gave the case on damdred that I really liked and inspired me to look further into damdred and make my case on him.
I added marv as mafia because of him being on the second wagon both times coupled with my day 1 read of him having shallow reads and that flow chart that some1 posted that showed him as mafia. apparently it is a super accurate flow chart.
because i added marv as mafia i added palmar as half town, the only reason i am half town on him is because he has a couple "why are we both alive"-type posts. if marv flips mafia palmar is likely town but those posts could be setting up a bus. if palmar lives multiple days after marv dies and flips mafia, reconsider the read.
so my scum team right now is:
1) marv
2&3) i think that 2 of the 3 between damdred, robik, and SL are mafia. damdred would be my first lynch of the 3 as of right now because i have slightly lessened on my scum read of SL.
4) 1 of superbia and gb; could be both they are kinda the coin-flippy question marks for me
5) vivax - i actually have a higher scum read on vivax than this in terms of his individual play, it is just once i started making this list i realized that vivax would be getting mega-bussed if this were the team. so he is at 5.
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On January 06 2015 21:08 Damdred wrote:
Its to early to be up for me but here I am.
Sl is more than likely town in this case honestly, I really doubt that a mafia under no pressure of being voted out would claim just to get the cop to out. Ithink that its an obvious ploy to get a bullet like they would in video mafia I suppose.
Ritoky have you found that game with robiks reaction yet?
yeah it was in TL 'Order' LXVI Mafia, but he played as a hydra with mocsta....so it kinda fucks my read a bit. also his post game rant is a bit less than i remember it being. that read might actually be irrelevant. but to give you a small taste:
On June 25 2014 05:08 roundabound wrote:This is a fucking accurate depiction of you. THIS IS YOUR FUCKING FAULT. Why hasn't host ended game yet? this is fucking dumb.
On June 25 2014 05:48 roundabound wrote:
ritoky,
you're an idiot. please never do that ever again.
sincerely,
everyone but mafia
there has to be mafia on that ritoky vote. brb
the salt is a little less than i remember and he even has a bit of a compliment in post game after he says it was a bad play in:
On June 28 2014 06:22 IAmRobik wrote:
Ritoky almost handed town the game if he came out with the correct reads.
so yeah that read is crap i think, scrap it.
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On January 06 2015 21:31 sicklucker wrote:
Vivaxs right that list is bs because hes in it. With me and robik...
Like in your world ritoky vivax has to be town why dont you just come out and say that?
On January 06 2015 20:48 ritoky wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2015 20:44 marvellosity wrote:On January 06 2015 20:42 ritoky wrote:
I still find marv being on the second wagon BOTH times as really bizarre and makes me for certain want to keep him in my scum pile. Like my eyes were drawn to it last time, and when I redid it with my top 3 town reads I noticed it again.
You are aware that I go to bed several hours before deadline (being european), and on d1 batsnacks didn't have a single vote when i went to sleep, yes? it's like scumreading me for not being awake at 5am. it's ... ridiculous. idk i still haven't really gotten over how shallow your reads on day 1 were, particularly your read on me. in the past i have doubted my day 1/night 1 reads pretty heavily later in the game and changed them quite a bit only to see in endgame that my day1/n1 reads were like 75% accurate. i scum read you and SL in particular in that time frame and koshi gave a pretty good sequencing case on vivax that i liked. so i am not coming off those reads very easily.
this is why.
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On January 06 2015 21:33 Damdred wrote:
Vivax list made me lol, and laughed wven more because SL bought it.
Anyway, I see ritoky. What do you think of Palmar ignoring the fake claim as cop or just the claim during the day last phase?
Are you not worried about Dr h super drop off the planet and going back on policy so far?
I think marv is mafia and if marv is mafia, it is very unlikely that palmar is mafia with him. There's a chance but I doubt it. However, evaluating it individually I think it is kinda consistent with his play all game thus far. He ignores a lot of the "main topics" and talks about shit he thinks is relevant. So it isn't out of the ordinary for him to not discuss it. Now I don't know his scum/town history well enough to know if that is an indicator one way or the other; ask someone else that.
Am I worried about DrH? No, with a very tiny yes. Could I be wrong on him? Yes, because of his drop off. Do I think that is the case? No. His day 1 is too towny for 1 day of drop off to overrule imo and on top of that when he came back to the thread claiming to be way behind, he posted like he was way behind and out of the loop.
Also he hasn't really posted since this sequence:
On January 05 2015 15:01 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
is sl the cop or not btw can I get a straight answer
On January 05 2015 15:05 DoctorHelvetica wrote:Show nested quote +On January 05 2015 15:04 Damdred wrote:
SL hardcalimed cop says he green checked me no one.should consider lynching either of you then without a cc which means if there real cop is out there you need to cc asap on day 3
so to say he has gone back on policy in regards to SL as of right now is a stretch. it is basically the same as when SL accused me of attacking his cop claim when i didn't post during the entire thing.
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On January 06 2015 21:35 sicklucker wrote:
So i your town ritoky your wrong about someone so try to figure it out darling
what is this supposed to say?
"So in your town ritoky you're wrong about someone so try to figure it out darling"?
is that what you were trying to ask?
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On January 06 2015 21:47 sicklucker wrote:
I dont really know about doctor. I like to think his insane tunnel is probably town. does anyone here know if hes the kind of player that would fake that? If not I would just never vote him out.
Dandred are you mafia? I ignored you because of my fake check. If your town help me figure this shit out.
Why is everyone ignoring jats reads? There really good and the same as mine. Jat died because he is mostly right. I am also mostly right
Or you could have killed him so that you could say this line and push your lynch targets! I can wifom too!
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On January 06 2015 21:50 sicklucker wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2015 21:46 ritoky wrote:On January 06 2015 21:35 sicklucker wrote:
So i your town ritoky your wrong about someone so try to figure it out darling what is this supposed to say? "So in your town ritoky you're wrong about someone so try to figure it out darling"? is that what you were trying to ask? me robik and vivax are noy all mafia figure out who your wrong on. Nice fluff post
it's not a fluff post, i am trying to decipher your language which clearly wasn't english.
and you didn't read my post apparently.
i think 2 of the 3 of you, damdred, and robik are mafia. with damdred being the most likely. if that was the case that would mean only you or robik would have to be with vivax which is plausible.
look i solved it without modifying a single thing!
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On January 06 2015 21:53 Damdred wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2015 21:51 Lazermonkey wrote:
So If SL isn't cop, why are we not lynching him? why would we mafia wouldn't claim most likely in that situation...
because his play before his play was scummy, his scum reads have a basis in him admittedly lying to town and people pursuing those lies; then when he changed then rescinded the claim he didn't modify his reads; he still maintains the same reads even though they are based on him lying.
but i have made a similar claim as VT so idk...it is certainly a sub-optimal play
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