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On January 02 2015 06:34 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On January 02 2015 06:34 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On January 02 2015 06:30 Palmar wrote:On January 02 2015 06:24 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On January 02 2015 06:21 Palmar wrote:On January 02 2015 06:13 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
i didnt read your case on geript palmar and i agreed with what marv said. am i scum if he flips town too? i think this is a bit much No, you're just another brick in the wall. Only marv is confirmed scum if he pushes a lynch on town geript. It doesn't seem like anyone agrees. It's pointless to talk about at the moment anyway. You'll still be able to say what you want after the flip. To be honest. There is more. I am town. Therefore geript must be mafia for TMI. How else would he know I'm town? Since you're certain Geript is mafia, if he's not you must be mafia too. 3 for 1. This is getting better and better. No I could be wrong.
Thanks for shattering my world.
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On January 02 2015 06:44 IAmRobik wrote:
What if we lynxh ritoky...many people brought up his terrible list post and how it contradicted itself 300 times but no one wants to lynch him? Weird.
Also, if he flips mafia, I'm definitely TMI cleared (I wanted to bring this up and then I saw palmar make a similar comment about himself and someone else...I only bring this up because I thought it was funny)
Anyone know when end of day is?
If he doesn't show up today I'll be happy to switch over.
Friday, Jan 02 5:00am GMT (GMT+00:00)
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On January 02 2015 07:33 sicklucker wrote:Show nested quote +On January 02 2015 07:29 marvellosity wrote:On January 02 2015 07:28 sicklucker wrote:On January 02 2015 06:44 IAmRobik wrote:
What if we lynxh ritoky...many people brought up his terrible list post and how it contradicted itself 300 times but no one wants to lynch him? Weird.
Also, if he flips mafia, I'm definitely TMI cleared (I wanted to bring this up and then I saw palmar make a similar comment about himself and someone else...I only bring this up because I thought it was funny)
Anyone know when end of day is? Id be cleared too hum... Think id be down with this hes my #2 atm anyway hmm. why are you scumreading me when my top 2 scumreads seem to be the same as yours? when you dont give me any credit for being the first person in the thread to push them? yes
What do you think of Lazer?
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On January 02 2015 07:42 sicklucker wrote:Show nested quote +On January 02 2015 07:41 batsnacks wrote:
SL vote lazer with me. I don't want to be the only person voting him. Hes like my third its probably not happening.
Does that mean your third suspect, or?
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On January 02 2015 07:49 sicklucker wrote:Show nested quote +On January 02 2015 07:45 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On January 02 2015 07:42 sicklucker wrote:On January 02 2015 07:41 batsnacks wrote:
SL vote lazer with me. I don't want to be the only person voting him. Hes like my third its probably not happening. Does that mean your third suspect, or? Not really like hes third on my list more for policy. I suspect people over him just I dont expect him to contribute so a semi policy lynch. I dont lynch him today ever tbh.
Hold on. Your primary suspicion on Marv as far as I understand is parroting you without giving you credit despite having the same 2 main scumreads, yet you don't really suspect Lazermonkey whom did the same thing? He even mentioned no one had made the point he made before.
On January 01 2015 00:30 Lazermonkey wrote:Hi everyone Because of NYE, I will only be able to be active for a few hours today. Tomorrow I'll have more time though. Chyz looks scummy. Though I do think people are attacking him for the wrong reasons. The discussion between DH and rikoty WAS stupid. But if you look at Chyz opening post, he doesn't give any actual opinion about the players involved other than that rikoty should move on. Nowhere does he speak about their alignment. Show nested quote +On December 31 2014 17:06 TheChyz wrote:
Hello all.
Currently I don't like the direction that dr.H and ritoky are going. Basically I just see it as dr.H doing something not alignment indicative (someone always talks about policy lynches :/ ) and now ritoky is just trying to either prove that dr.H is scum or (my most probably guess) is he just wants to get an early acknowledgement of dominance by trying to force dr.H into admitting he did not follow his own policy (which most people don't follow anyway). I don't see a reason why ritoky would push this so far without any agenda.
@ritoky lets move onto something a bit more important than trying to prove your dick is bigger than dr.H's. If there is anything substantial you have then go ahead, but currently your just being more of a filter spammer than anything. Chyz doesn't follow up with anything at all untill he is called out. Why is it that he the first thing that he felt he had to post was that people was on the wrong track, instead of actually trying give some of his own opinion? This is scum mentality. ##Vote: TheChyz
Later, when I call him out on it he acknowledges it.
On January 01 2015 00:53 Lazermonkey wrote:Show nested quote +On January 01 2015 00:45 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On January 01 2015 00:24 geript wrote:
My initial reaction to Marv was that I think he's mafia. I'll figure it out later on for sure. And I don't have great reasons why I think this, but I do have a 100% read on Marv. ??? Is Marv 100% mafia or not? Also the fact that you don't want to be friends with me makes me very sad and very angry. The pitchfork and noose kind of angry. On January 01 2015 00:30 Lazermonkey wrote:Hi everyone Because of NYE, I will only be able to be active for a few hours today. Tomorrow I'll have more time though. Chyz looks scummy. Though I do think people are attacking him for the wrong reasons. The discussion between DH and rikoty WAS stupid. But if you look at Chyz opening post, he doesn't give any actual opinion about the players involved other than that rikoty should move on. Nowhere does he speak about their alignment. On December 31 2014 17:06 TheChyz wrote:
Hello all.
Currently I don't like the direction that dr.H and ritoky are going. Basically I just see it as dr.H doing something not alignment indicative (someone always talks about policy lynches :/ ) and now ritoky is just trying to either prove that dr.H is scum or (my most probably guess) is he just wants to get an early acknowledgement of dominance by trying to force dr.H into admitting he did not follow his own policy (which most people don't follow anyway). I don't see a reason why ritoky would push this so far without any agenda.
@ritoky lets move onto something a bit more important than trying to prove your dick is bigger than dr.H's. If there is anything substantial you have then go ahead, but currently your just being more of a filter spammer than anything. Chyz doesn't follow up with anything at all untill he is called out. Why is it that he the first thing that he felt he had to post was that people was on the wrong track, instead of actually trying give some of his own opinion? This is scum mentality. ##Vote: TheChyz That's pretty much the exact reason I gave though; not following through with new discussion after saying the current one was pointless, so why do you say "people" are attacking him for the wrong reasons? Yhea, I know. Though you were (I think) the first person to say that.
What's different about Marv's case where you were supposedly first that makes you suspect Marv over Lazer?
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On January 02 2015 07:50 ritoky wrote:+ Show Spoiler [wall of text] +On January 01 2015 21:49 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On January 01 2015 13:33 ritoky wrote:+ Show Spoiler [wall of reads] +finally caught up in the thread, don't have a lot of time because new years is a busy day in the ER; just gonna copy/paste my notes in the thread; sorry i can't be more engaged:
note - trying not to null read anyone from this point forward, list everyone as town or scum unless they haven't posted
koshi - his wording in certain cases seems like he is trying to appease (i.e. "TheChyz is not scummy to me. I am not saying he is a townread but the case Dr.H. makes is not how I read Chyz." and other cases of not saying people's alignment ex: calling me and drh meh), says needs something new and fresh doesn't make it happen. mafia pile
gb - did his "not reading the thread" shtick which he did as town twice before, done nothing else. town pile
*geript - start of game was town: jokes, prodding, pushing for answers, calling someone's case horrible. did mafia thing where promised information in terms of meta reads on people, hasn't delivered. dunno why, think this post is super town: "At some point yah. But I'd like to have a read on most of the people in the game. There's way too many inactives right now. Maybe when I reread I'll realize I'm being dumb idk. We'll see." could be wrong, look into again later. town pile for now*
artanis - asking questions, pushing for answers to his questions, him being "torn" about chyz seems a little odd not enough to worry now, but watch to see how that read develops. town pile
lazer - says won't lynch drh, then null reads me for essentially the same reason. makes not very much sense. has a torn sentiment on geript like me and skeptical of koshi like me. could be wrong, but read too strange. mafia pile
marv - supposedly great town player, managed 2nd page of filter while doing remarkably little. read on me seems lazy and inaccurate. mafia pile
^jat - bleeding town out of every orofice. town pile^
*robik - made it to almost 2 pages of his filter while complaining about not having time to play, could have spent time playing. promises to wreck, worth waiting until tomorrow to see because strong town player. town pile*
thechyz - posts seem incredibly honest...can't place finger on it. could be slight donkey, but really seemed concerned about thread direction. snap omgus'd drH, which seems more town responsive in the context. town pile
palmar - agree with lots of his reads, don't like excuses. town pile
damdred - has a non-lazy meta read on me as opposed to marv. pushing thread in productive direction and correcting others for misrepresenting people's arguments. town pile
*batsnacks - someone (look up later) said batsnacks has been playing differently. seems like same town batsnacks to me. could have bad read on him. town pile*
SL - bizarre play. seemed to be trying to defuse me and drH arguing early, has weird interaction where he demands i have a read on him, when i don't. formulates a bunch of random thoughts in regards to me not remembering previous game. no idea what he is talking about in the slightest. none of his other reads are formulated in a coherent way, done nothing townie. mafia pile
vivax - no post
*kels - evolving reads, when i was mafia last game with him had static reads that didn't change much of the game, currently his reads seem more fluid, probably town or got better at mafia. this was the guy who said bats playing differently, watch that read. town pile*
ritoky - town jesus
drH - guy contradicting himself all over the place. stupid policy crap, doesn't follow through. forgotten about it entirely at this point. no idea what he is doing. dumpster case on chyz, pot calling kettle black. calling out for hypocrisy not because he is actually scum. has largest filter, probably town unfortunately. is most likely donkey, be wary of his reads they may be bad. town pile
eden - town town town. giving reads unprovoked, not folding when pressured, commenting when unsolicited. seems invested in reads makes very good point about the timing of chyz's post and people exploiting it to get a read on chyz even though the situation had kinda already defused itself. town pile
*rebirth - "i'm here guys! notice me senpai!" into nothing. scum pile for now*
superbia - no post Forcing yourself to have a read on people that are null is pretty dumb and I have no idea why you consider me being torn on Chyz when there's been so many words on him scummy. Can you explain that to me? I also have no idea why you think that geript quote is super town. Whyo do you feel JAT is "bleeding town out of every orifice"? JAT has completely ransacked a bunch of good town players in one game and I haven't seen anything from him that I think he's incapable of doing as mafia. Why is Robik on the town pile when your reads state nothing townie about him other than a vague promise, and why is RoL scum for saying the exact same thing? Dr. H, your wall of texts tend to K.O. me. Could you run the most important points by me as brief as possible? forcing myself to place people in a definitive pile in my notes is more beneficial for me; particularly on day 1. i think most people should take definitive stances on players personally. the prevalence of null reads being seen as okay only allows mafia to hide better by giving them frequently and ignoring partners. as for you being torn on chyz, i was quoting your post: On January 01 2015 02:56 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On January 01 2015 02:22 geript wrote:
@Artanis. What do you think of sicklucker, Eden and Kelsier? I think those are the best overall flips. Ritoky could maybe be tossed in there too.
Do you disagree with the following: Artanis, DrH, Chyz, Damdred I feel like I'm forgetting someone from this list but oh well. Missed this post earlier. I'd remove Chyz. I'm really torn on him right now. I think Eden is also likely town for prying into every little hole, though I haven't seen him play scum so I'm not sure if he does the same as scum but it fits his town meta even if the bit about Dr.H in the start was a bit weird. I definitely don't want to lynch him D1 in any case. I haven't paid much attention to sicklucker, and I like Kelsier for how he's been pressuring people and asking questions. Here's you stating you're torn on chyz and want geript to remove him from his town list. i see since you have moved on to placing geript as your top scum, will be interested in how you went from talking to him like he is pretty town right here to voting for him as scum when i get there in the thread. as for the read on geript. there's something really town about him electing to withhold information there when he is under pressure. like someone is prying into him for information and rather than be like "here you go to appease you" he tells the person to piss off and he will deliver it later. haven't caught up, don't know if he has. if he hasn't delivered then that's a probelm; if he has then he is town. re: JAT, he is town. read his filter, if you can't see why it is plain as day he is town then you're reading a different thread than i am. i think no one in the entire game is more town than JAT. i think i have only played with him once when he was mafia and like 4x when he was town. the 1 time he was mafia was really apparent based on his voting record. robik i am willing to wait a day on because i respect his aggro play as town, it makes an environment that is hard for scum to thrive in. he promises, if he doesn't deliver he dies tomorrow. plain and simple. i have some hesitations because he is doing a lot of reacting instead of acting which isn't his town style, but i am willing to hold off 1 day. you're misrepresenting my reads if you think my RoL read is the same: On January 01 2015 09:14 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
alrighty then. I apparently missed my role PM just got it. Hi everyone. Let me go catch up to the apparent 25 pages of most likely nonsense that has been posted. this post is a complete mafia lurker prototypical post. "hi i am here, everyone notice me for a second then forget about me, i am behind in pages that is why i am not doing well, will deliver on it later! also i don't have much time!" people who post like this especially early (that aren't named GB) never deliver the goods and usually squeak into the late phases of the game as mafia.
I don't change my tone unless prompted when talking to my suspects. Geript remained civilized through the conduct and thus so did I. I find your reasoning pretty thin. You're inferring a lot from quite little with RoL and Robik and you're not being very specific with JAT. Maybe you can read him better than I can, or you haven't seen his Mafia A-game yet.
I think you believe what you're saying though so I don't want to lynch you today.
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On January 02 2015 09:17 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On January 02 2015 09:13 Koshi wrote:Explain to me why Vivax is so focused connecting people with geript. Yet never talks about geript his alignment and his own view on geript. On January 02 2015 06:47 Vivax wrote:
Hi. I still have to read a fair lot but I'm currently keen on what batsnacks wrote and agree with him on LM. The post looks extremely formulaic and I have no idea why he would talk so much about Chyz when he's going for geript anyway. The first paragraph just should looks like a soup of looking agreeable but not really. On January 02 2015 08:55 Vivax wrote:
The list doesn't make him look any better to me. If anything it makes me wonder why he feels defeated so quickly. Looking at his scumreads I don't really grasp how he can tell apart people like geript and Koshi from the rest of his null/scummy-pile, they only appear rarely in his filter. You can ask me about geript. I have no real guess about geript lol. I've read the bit where marv calls him out for trying to find holes in his list and geript then calls him 100 % mafia, and I've set it aside cause it just looked uninteresting. I didn't find what geript wrote about marv's stuff on two guys as outrageous as marv did, and for the moment I don't really care about geript and didn't spend so much time thinking over him as I did over LM's post and TheChyz.
How can you not care for him when he's the leading lynch less than 5 hours before the deadline?
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On January 02 2015 09:21 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On January 02 2015 09:19 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On January 02 2015 09:17 Vivax wrote:On January 02 2015 09:13 Koshi wrote:Explain to me why Vivax is so focused connecting people with geript. Yet never talks about geript his alignment and his own view on geript. On January 02 2015 06:47 Vivax wrote:
Hi. I still have to read a fair lot but I'm currently keen on what batsnacks wrote and agree with him on LM. The post looks extremely formulaic and I have no idea why he would talk so much about Chyz when he's going for geript anyway. The first paragraph just should looks like a soup of looking agreeable but not really. On January 02 2015 08:55 Vivax wrote:
The list doesn't make him look any better to me. If anything it makes me wonder why he feels defeated so quickly. Looking at his scumreads I don't really grasp how he can tell apart people like geript and Koshi from the rest of his null/scummy-pile, they only appear rarely in his filter. You can ask me about geript. I have no real guess about geript lol. I've read the bit where marv calls him out for trying to find holes in his list and geript then calls him 100 % mafia, and I've set it aside cause it just looked uninteresting. I didn't find what geript wrote about marv's stuff on two guys as outrageous as marv did, and for the moment I don't really care about geript and didn't spend so much time thinking over him as I did over LM's post and TheChyz. How can you not care for him when he's the leading lynch less than 5 hours before the deadline? If I can make a point in my favour it's cause I focus on the stuff I find interesting in a specific moment rather than paying attention to bandwagon politics? Still gotta read what this geript stuff is all about but when I posted the bits I found interesting he kept being brought up and I didn't really get why. Usual stuff when you're not caught up it's like everybody talks past you.
Will you have enough time to catch up before the deadline?
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Also can someone explain to me why everyone's suddenly moving off Geript?
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On January 02 2015 09:31 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Of course i will be switching to geript if there is a chance someone other than him thechyz is lynched. Second option is better than nothing
I'm ok with both lynches tbh. It kinda sucks to have two martyrs and only one noose.
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Koshi keep your god damn vote on Geript.
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On January 02 2015 09:38 GlowingBear wrote:
Can someone link me to the reasons on why we should lynch Robik?
Are there any reasons not to?
No really, why are you bringing this up?
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On January 02 2015 09:39 GlowingBear wrote:
I mean geript*
On January 02 2015 01:57 Artanis[Xp] wrote:+ Show Spoiler [snip] +JAT, I'm willing to write off Marv's and anyone else's inactivity on NYE. If he keeps playing like this on D2 he's a lynch candidate for sure though.
@Lazer Though my desire to lynch Robik is strong, I don't actually believe he's the best lynch. I dunno whom between you and Geript I want to lynch. I think I'm leaning towards Geript because Palmar is pretty handsome. Show nested quote +On January 02 2015 00:25 Palmar wrote:
I feel like unlike Koshi, geript did basically nothing to actually advance his read or influence anyone to follow him. It's the difference of passively "being right" (in case chyz is town) and aggressively defending him (like koshi did). Geript feels so complacent about the lynch. He has a few candidates posted (sicklucker, Eden and Kelsier) for whom I've only heard arguments for sicklucker (which were pretty poor). That said, it's weird for both town and mafia Geript to be this complacent, but it's weirder for Town Geript to not push through what he thinks is the best lynch.
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On January 02 2015 09:41 Vivax wrote:
Artanis you seem fairly confident on this geript stuff but halfway through his filter I refreshed and saw you urging Koshi to keep his vote on him, then went and looked at your filter and well... Other than some early Koshi-sheep-hand-holding on his geript case I don't really see why you think he's mafia. Can you sum it up for me?
Post I just posted and this
On January 02 2015 06:11 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On January 02 2015 06:05 geript wrote:
Also, fwiw Artanis, I saw this lynch coming yesterday. Considering the situation, activity, etc. It's a really hard lynch to get out of and all I can do is do my best to steer who to next. But you've been here plenty and none of what you've done helped steer the town into a good direction. I can't claim to have pushed strongly onto anyone either (mainly because of uncertainty) but it feels like all of your posts have just been weak observations that didn't go anywhere. Why have you been so complacent in the time that you did have? I see requests for clarifications and observations with a few exceptions, like when you asked me about sl/eden/kelsier, which you then didn't follow up on.
On January 02 2015 06:12 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
And I do think people would've listened had you attempted to make an impact on the game. It just feels like you haven't tried to do so.
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On January 02 2015 09:46 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On December 31 2014 15:44 geript wrote:On December 31 2014 15:35 Eden1892 wrote:On December 31 2014 15:24 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On December 31 2014 15:22 Eden1892 wrote:On December 31 2014 15:14 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Uh, I don't want to make your dick hard. I don't think anything about anyone yet. On December 31 2014 15:07 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
That being said I'd like to show everyone my spreadsheet ranking Day 1 joke posts from least to most scummy. what's up with the second post here though? seems like if you have opinions about which posts are suspicious you have opinions about which people are suspicious. non? Seems like you take everything literally, we're gonna have problems if you waste your time with shit like this. just checking, it seemed like a joke but i didn't want to supply that answer in case it weren't~ On December 31 2014 15:32 geript wrote:On December 31 2014 15:27 geript wrote:
I'm more concerned about how you find a post that is "stiff and awkwardly timed," two traits that are more often considered mafia tells, towny? Can you explain that more fully? It's also pretty weird that you reasonably correctly point out that his post is going nowhere while simultaneously responding to it. @Eden Explain. sure, i'm not sure what you meant by "shut down this line" in the previous part of the post btw so if you want a reply to that please clarify for my addled brain as for why i read it townie, like i said, it seemed like an effort to get discussion somewhere besides early-game banter, which imo wasn't going anywhere. i followed up on the post because even if the object-level discussion ends up being pretty pointless, i can get some possibly useful meta-level reads from it - and hey, maybe it is going somewhere and i miss it, y'know? By shut it down, I mean shut down any further discussion on useless policy. Nobody needs to find policy to find discussion. The problem with your "townread" is that your reasons for finding him town are complete bullshit. That post is a throwaway post that I could recite to newbies to "get discussion going" as either alignment and potentially useful dependent on how it's driven and moved (even moreso to scum imo not that it matters). There actually were things to be talked about in the thread already (my townread on Damdred, the ??? on sicklucker who IIRC also made a passing townread on Damdred, Robik not posting anything while making a few posts, etc.). It's odd that you comment that his post was stiff and awkwardly timed, two bad reasons that people's posts are often called scummy for and then settle on a bad reason to call him town for it. As for meta reads, what type of meta reads do you expect will lead to any sort of meaningful read off of policy discussion? Like, THIS post is very townie. It correctly reads Eden and his reasoning seems very fluid. It also keeps discussion going on, and he keeps the push on Eden. I find this very townie.
I agree that it's a good point, but I think it's also very straightforward. It's more like Geript was the first one at the crime scene, but more people picked up on it. It wasn't a grand insight.
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On January 02 2015 09:53 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On January 02 2015 09:50 justanothertownie wrote:On January 02 2015 09:48 GlowingBear wrote:On January 02 2015 06:40 GlowingBear wrote:
I'll read the game in 3 hours and give you guys reads. But you can't lynch anyone other than marv when he has got only 3 pages of filter.
The wi fi works poorly here in the hotel. I'm gonna rent some hours in the lobby's computer. This wasn't discussed? THIS WASN'T DISCUSSED? Don't put on a show and tell us why he is mafia instead if you really think so. Filter length is alignment indicative for marv. Even he admitted it on Russia Today. You were ther, dude. He had 11 pages of filter. He has 3 here. This not being discussed goes towards the scenario where marv is mafia. I can't believe in a world where scum wouldn't pick this up and try to get marv lynched day one. It means a lot.
I think Marv has a decent excuse, but I actually like your point about how scum would've picked up on it and tried to push Marv, though JAT did. Three possibilities.
1. JAT is scum and wanted to lynch townMarv
2. JAT isn't scum and scum were too scared to try and lynch townMarv fearing the wrath of his return
3. Marv is scum.
It's something to discuss on D2 though, Marv isn't getting lynched today.
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On January 02 2015 09:58 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
More than one person pushed marv
JAT's the only one I remember. The rest mustn't have tried very hard.
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On January 02 2015 10:00 DoctorHelvetica wrote:Show nested quote +On January 02 2015 09:59 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On January 02 2015 09:58 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
More than one person pushed marv JAT's the only one I remember. The rest mustn't have tried very hard. Geript counts right?
Oh right, that.
Anyway, I feel like we should refocus our discussion on the lynchable targets. I'd say that's Geript, TheChyz and Vivax, maaybe Lazer. Get coherent thoughts on these people so we have something to look at after the flip.
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The second part is to everyone btw
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