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On January 07 2015 18:53 Vivax wrote:
I'll ignore my SL/marv/Robik stuff for now.
Let's lynch Lazer!
##Vote Lazermonkey
On January 07 2015 19:00 Vivax wrote:
I could also lynch ritoky for that stuff he did at start of D1. Just came super off to me how he entered the thread with that question when I reread it yesterday, it looked like he was looking for any reason to scumread somebody, and don't tell me that's what townies do as some flipped townies (geript, Eden) there were still in the phase of bantering. RItoky's posts were just odd. He tried to scumread DrH for not scumreading Damdred for a scumclaim joke and did so in a very timid way.
On January 07 2015 19:07 Vivax wrote:
Actually I'll vote for him instead of LM now that I recalled all that. Voted LM cause I read GBs stuff on Super and Super'S argument on LM was actually good and made me remember how LM also kept posting wrong information on me on two occasions when people wanted to lynch me before realizing he was saying something wrong cause he misread.
##Unvote
##Vote Ritoky
Anyway these two dudes are scum. All my other scumreads now I'm ignoring cause nobody wants to lynch them anyway. Will have to think again about Palmar as marv is currently the only guy on the ritoky wagon, but it still bugs me as hell he's alive D3 and he didn't lead a lynch on scum and nobody except Palmar and me called him scum.
Read this if you think I'm scum.
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^somewhat start of D3, the day you guys lynched super and SL posted some contradictory bullshit that made me vote him again.
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This game is funny cause I scumread ritoky until he claimed cop and Robik CCd, then the situation reversed cause ritoky did so in a way that was 100 more times more credible than Robik's way.
DP also noticed the difference in regard to how ritoky handled the SL claim and how Robik handled the SL claim which was one of the reasons I didn't believe Robik's claim.
The urgent task now is to reread from D3 on knowing that ritoky is mafia as his teammates all didn't buy his claim for obvious reasons and bussed him (or are part of the faction that says to lynch someone else other than confirmed scum today), while me and DP actually tried to look at Robik and ritoky trying to find out which one now is really the cop, and we both found stuff that didn't make sense.
Just that DP only concludes that the play has been abysmal, I was concluding that Robik is mafia. BUt oh well, he's dead, peace to his soul.
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Why are those people confirmed?
Those people SL and Robik pointed out?
Anyway, I'm sheeping DP forevermore
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Okay, I am really convinced that Vivax is town with those posts. No way would he swap votes to ritoky in that position. This argument obviously doesn't hold if you think I'm scum but w/e.
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On January 09 2015 22:07 Lazermonkey wrote:
Okay, I am really convinced that Vivax is town with those posts. No way would he swap votes to ritoky in that position. This argument obviously doesn't hold if you think I'm scum but w/e.
Thats nice and dandy but who do you think is scum besides ritoky at this point?
You can also say you didn't read and think about it yet that's fine with me too I gotta do that myself, the D3 rereading stuff.
I've only reread TheChyz's entry post today and found it quite interesting now that ritoky flipped, but then I sort of stopped, gonna do that in my time. Can you take a look at that?
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On January 09 2015 22:20 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On January 09 2015 22:07 Lazermonkey wrote:
Okay, I am really convinced that Vivax is town with those posts. No way would he swap votes to ritoky in that position. This argument obviously doesn't hold if you think I'm scum but w/e. Thats nice and dandy but who do you think is scum besides ritoky at this point? You can also say you didn't read and think about it yet that's fine with me too I gotta do that myself, the D3 rereading stuff. I've only reread TheChyz's entry post today and found it quite interesting now that ritoky flipped, but then I sort of stopped, gonna do that in my time. Can you take a look at that?
Haven't read too much yet, and since we are lynching ritoky today I don't feel like I'm in a massive hurry.
I am actually having doubts about Damdred. He was attacking Superbia way more than I remember him to be. Granted, bussing is a thing but going that hard core buss when there was two clear town counter wagons seems a bit unlikely.
There are too many people I think look kinda meh at this point.
Palmar, marv, GB I haven't read very much yet. But neither palmar nor mar have been doing any big plays yet nor are they shot and that is after 5 possible NKs. I feel Palmar is more likely scum though between these two though. GB I don't have a clue about yet but he hasn't done anything impressive yet.
Kel I orginally though was very town but I think he is more and more scummy the more time it goes. Its true he was the first one to vote super D3 BUT he wasn't particularly interested in pushing Super and since teh lynch still was between two scum, I don't think it matters too much.
Artanis I really haven't read into either. I don't really remember anything about him though which generally isn't a good thing.
The rest of the players are like 90% chance town.
So the three remaining scum is somewhere in
Kel
Palmar
Marv
GB
Artanis (?)
So now I know that this looks like a massive wall of fluff, and it kinda is. I am genuinely not sure who I think is scum at this point. But, like I said, since we got an extra day I don't think I really am in a super hurry to figure it out yet.
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Orite, didn't comment on Chyz. His last rage quit post, he said that ritoky was scum. Doesn't make any sense what so ever for a scum to rage quite after that kind of post. I'm confident he is town.
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On January 09 2015 23:56 Lazermonkey wrote:
Orite, didn't comment on Chyz. His last rage quit post, he said that ritoky was scum. Doesn't make any sense what so ever for a scum to rage quite after that kind of post. I'm confident he is town.
I need to take a better look at it but when he saw ritoky's initial attacks on DrH which also made me scumread him before he claimed cop, he said that he treated them as null. I think he put him back to scum for the list but anyway, even though I got a townie feeling on a D2 reread, now that ritoky flipped we'll have to take another look at him since reading Chez is impossible.
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Today is a boring day.
##Vote Vivax
On January 09 2015 17:04 DarthPunk wrote:
I already told you why I think he is town.
I wouldn't mind lynching glowingbear actually he looks pretty scummy.
GB is likely town due to Palmar's case. It made a lot of sense and he either believes in it as town or he knows he's right if he's scum.
+ Show Spoiler [case] +On January 08 2015 05:27 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On January 01 2015 02:07 GlowingBear wrote:
O hai!
I'm town
I'm also on the beach so I'm not reading the thread yet.
First page = geript and damdy trolling mafai.
Brb Tone read. He wrote "O hai!" which sort of feels like one of these "Look how casual and chill I am, totally not mafia" (think what I said about marv's "bitch" last game. Some scum points for that. Show nested quote +On January 02 2015 09:46 GlowingBear wrote:On December 31 2014 15:44 geript wrote:On December 31 2014 15:35 Eden1892 wrote:On December 31 2014 15:24 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On December 31 2014 15:22 Eden1892 wrote:On December 31 2014 15:14 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Uh, I don't want to make your dick hard. I don't think anything about anyone yet. On December 31 2014 15:07 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
That being said I'd like to show everyone my spreadsheet ranking Day 1 joke posts from least to most scummy. what's up with the second post here though? seems like if you have opinions about which posts are suspicious you have opinions about which people are suspicious. non? Seems like you take everything literally, we're gonna have problems if you waste your time with shit like this. just checking, it seemed like a joke but i didn't want to supply that answer in case it weren't~ On December 31 2014 15:32 geript wrote:On December 31 2014 15:27 geript wrote:
I'm more concerned about how you find a post that is "stiff and awkwardly timed," two traits that are more often considered mafia tells, towny? Can you explain that more fully? It's also pretty weird that you reasonably correctly point out that his post is going nowhere while simultaneously responding to it. @Eden Explain. sure, i'm not sure what you meant by "shut down this line" in the previous part of the post btw so if you want a reply to that please clarify for my addled brain as for why i read it townie, like i said, it seemed like an effort to get discussion somewhere besides early-game banter, which imo wasn't going anywhere. i followed up on the post because even if the object-level discussion ends up being pretty pointless, i can get some possibly useful meta-level reads from it - and hey, maybe it is going somewhere and i miss it, y'know? By shut it down, I mean shut down any further discussion on useless policy. Nobody needs to find policy to find discussion. The problem with your "townread" is that your reasons for finding him town are complete bullshit. That post is a throwaway post that I could recite to newbies to "get discussion going" as either alignment and potentially useful dependent on how it's driven and moved (even moreso to scum imo not that it matters). There actually were things to be talked about in the thread already (my townread on Damdred, the ??? on sicklucker who IIRC also made a passing townread on Damdred, Robik not posting anything while making a few posts, etc.). It's odd that you comment that his post was stiff and awkwardly timed, two bad reasons that people's posts are often called scummy for and then settle on a bad reason to call him town for it. As for meta reads, what type of meta reads do you expect will lead to any sort of meaningful read off of policy discussion? Like, THIS post is very townie. It correctly reads Eden and his reasoning seems very fluid. It also keeps discussion going on, and he keeps the push on Eden. I find this very townie. is the bolded TMI?  He was defending geript at the point but was completely unsuccessful in stopping the wagon on him. Also the reasons he thinks this is townie are quite fluffy. "keeps discussion going" is hardly a thing. Some more scum points Show nested quote +On January 02 2015 06:40 GlowingBear wrote:
I'll read the game in 3 hours and give you guys reads. But you can't lynch anyone other than marv when he has got only 3 pages of filter.
The wi fi works poorly here in the hotel. I'm gonna rent some hours in the lobby's computer. I gave him town points for this at the time, and probably still should. Then again, marv is unlikely to dispute this as town, because it's essentially correct AND has very little chance to actually be pushed through. Don't know if town, or calculated risk, or scumbuddies (another form of calculated risk). Slight town points. GB seems to have changed his mind a lot during day 1: Show nested quote +On January 01 2015 09:47 GlowingBear wrote:
Ok I've started reading the game a bit before New Years Eve and I must say I don't like DrH opening, geripts call on damdred and I have a slight townread on Eden. Show nested quote +On January 02 2015 10:08 GlowingBear wrote:
I've read until page eighteen yet, and I don't like:
Eden
Sicklucker
Ritoky
Ritoky being more of a null. Just saw a post or him on page 16 that was horrible. Complete 180 on Eden. In the wrong direction in my opinion (I started out thinking Eden was mafia for some interaction, with DrH I think? The one marv agreed was weird, but he kinda grew on me). I also think he had some back and forth with his vote on geript. But I can't remember what it exactly was. Show nested quote +On January 03 2015 07:40 GlowingBear wrote:
I actually want to lynch half of the players list Town points for this. Calling everyone mafia is usually rather townie, because mafia tends to want to make friends rather than enemies, and calling everyone mafia is a good way to make enemies. *** Actually I'm just stopping here. I read his case on me, and it is essentially correct. It just doesn't mean I was mafia (he was 100% correct that I wrote that post because I wanted to contribute despite being somewhat behind, I just wanted to do it to help, not to look like I was helping. Like I wanted to throw some ideas out there). Like I'm literally gonna give him a townread for writing a wrong case on me. He has a ton of post that look sort of town actually, so despite most of the posts I wrote above I'm just gonna assume GB is town. Here's a few examples of posts I saw while skimming his filter that oculd be from town. Show nested quote +On January 08 2015 03:37 GlowingBear wrote:
Give me
ONE REASON
For why I'm mafia.
ONE REASON. Also I think I got from his filter that he wanted to kill sicklucker for the claim. I think that's actually a fairly town move because mafia would most likely not want to push an un-ccd cop even if that cop is being a bit of a dick with it. Idk, too much of GB's filter feels sort of unforced, although there are some bad spots in there too. I'm not 100% certain on it, but I think it's enough to give him a pass. He changes his mind a lot, calls a lot of people mafia, seems not worried about his own look at all, doesn't try to make friends etc etc. Imma not lynch GB.
On January 09 2015 21:19 Lazermonkey wrote:Show nested quote +On January 09 2015 08:20 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Lazer could you address Damdred's case? On January 09 2015 02:49 Damdred wrote:
I think Lazer is scum, here is my case repeated on him
Day 1 he is guilty of the same things he goes hard after chy because of thread sentiment. He moves his target around using thread sentimen
He misrepresents things constantly in the thread and back tracks constantly
D2 he hard defends a push to lynch Superbia (known mafia now)
He states d3 that he thinks ritoky is the cop and won't lycn an un cc'd cop but his vote is on him anyway
He states during the day that Super looks bad but shouldn't be the lynch.
Right before he leaves he parks his vote on Superbia, with his main scum read whos been vocal about wanting a super bia lynch.
I think his vote looks more like a bus and hes mafia to me. I've adressed all points allready I think but I'll try to summarize very fast. - Its nice that I, in the first sentence, am attacked for being tunnely and in the next am accused of moving my target around. I agree with that my push against Chyz was stupid but I fail to see how it is indicative of me being scum. - I misrepresennt things all the time. Take this for what you want. If you really want to push this point read some of my other games I guess. English is not my mother tongue so sometimes I just suck a bit a understanding stuff in the thread. TBH I'd say scum is more likely NOT to misrepresent things, but yhea, I'm a bit biased here : D. - I agree (that me defending Superbia in favour of a geript lynch that is) this makes me look scummy as shit. All I can say is that townies sometimes are wrong. - I don't understand this argument? Its true I kept my vote on ritoky for a while. But what matters is where it ends up, no? I was very clear about that I wanted to not lynch ritoky if he wasn't counterclaimed. - Yes, I did say Super looked bad. I never said I was super hard against his lynch. Just that I thought Ritoky was a better lynch. - I have answered this 1000 times. My vote swap is 100% justified if you just read my filter.
I think Damdred is implying on the first point that you're going hard after Chyz for arguments that could be used to describe your own play.
Point on Ritoky vote: I guess, it doesn't make sense that you wouldn't unvote there if you didn't believe Ritoky was the cop but I view it as a minor point anyway.
You seem to be pretty much agreeing with the rest. You did explain your Superbia vote but the way you went about it felt forced and looked to be coming more from a scum perspective of "oh I want to end up on the right lynch".
On January 09 2015 21:42 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2015 18:53 Vivax wrote:
I'll ignore my SL/marv/Robik stuff for now.
Let's lynch Lazer!
##Vote Lazermonkey Show nested quote +On January 07 2015 19:00 Vivax wrote:
I could also lynch ritoky for that stuff he did at start of D1. Just came super off to me how he entered the thread with that question when I reread it yesterday, it looked like he was looking for any reason to scumread somebody, and don't tell me that's what townies do as some flipped townies (geript, Eden) there were still in the phase of bantering. RItoky's posts were just odd. He tried to scumread DrH for not scumreading Damdred for a scumclaim joke and did so in a very timid way. Show nested quote +On January 07 2015 19:07 Vivax wrote:
Actually I'll vote for him instead of LM now that I recalled all that. Voted LM cause I read GBs stuff on Super and Super'S argument on LM was actually good and made me remember how LM also kept posting wrong information on me on two occasions when people wanted to lynch me before realizing he was saying something wrong cause he misread.
##Unvote
##Vote Ritoky
Anyway these two dudes are scum. All my other scumreads now I'm ignoring cause nobody wants to lynch them anyway. Will have to think again about Palmar as marv is currently the only guy on the ritoky wagon, but it still bugs me as hell he's alive D3 and he didn't lead a lynch on scum and nobody except Palmar and me called him scum. Read this if you think I'm scum.
This does make your reads look more fluid than I gave you credit for. Gonna have to re-eval stuff.
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If SL is town then batsnacks wagon was pure town
Which means mafia was comfortable with both lynches day1
Which means Chyz is town
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I totally agreed with the claims that Chyz was town. I also believe Chezinu to be town aligned. I know he pretends to be a bank and softclaims being a cop to try to have some fun, but if we look pass the fluff. Chezinu has voted to lynch mafia every time since he has been in this game. Typically, mafia would target the likes of Chezinu. This time they did not nor did they kill his friend, Artanis. They choose to confirm to town the cop and in turn half the town. So, here we are.
Let us lynch ritoky for mafia could have killed him with two idle votes nearby. Perhaps, he is special.
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@Artanis, do you mind expand on why my vote felt forced?
I asked both Kel and Damdred why but I think the failed to answer in a satsning way. How would a townie act in my position? There were no other counterwagon but super and I'd rather kill someone who I defended and who my scum read voted for than a uncontested cop.
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Forget what I said on TheChyz.
Too many null on batsnacks wagon.
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Vivax why did you kept your vote on TheChyz on day one? What mad you suddenly forget about his existence in the game?
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What made*
Please answer this. It is of extreme relevance.
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Who's still null scummy on batsnacks wagon GB.
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By the way, Ritoky is the framer
Laser monkey is 100% scum
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On January 10 2015 04:58 Damdred wrote:
Who's still null scummy on batsnacks wagon GB.
I'm gonna write an analysis after Vivax answer.
But I'm confident I'm getting closer to the scum team.
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Could you help me finding the post where Robik posts his checks?
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