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On January 06 2015 20:04 ritoky wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2015 20:02 marvellosity wrote:On January 06 2015 20:00 ritoky wrote:
Now as I mentioned before, his claim is the worst since I bungled the crap out of a fake cop claim about 5 months ago? Not exactly sure, been sifting through my games trying to find the posts so I can quote them, no luck so far. If I find them I will quote them. The point is, I did something VERY similar to what SL did in terms of cop claim, where I faked a check, changed my story, and in night phase I rescinded my claim. It was met with such utter hostility and regarded as the worst play people had ever seen both during and after the game. One person in particular was championing that: Robik. He was mafia in the game, so his in game comments are negligible but he spent 2 solid pages after the game railing into me about how it was the worst play ever and he would lynch the living hell out of anyone who did that stupid crap as either alignment. In this game? He seems to have simply accepted it with 0 qualms. Robik could very well be mafia here. you were town there? yes i was VT, fake claimed cop with red check on someone, rescinded the red check and said actually had green check on diff person, then rescinded cop claim in night phase. not exactly same case as here, but similar enough to where robik should have freaked at least a little.
So what are you doing? You spend multiple paragraphs throwing shit on sl for making a play that you also did as... town?
Then Robik acted one way as mafia, and acts a totally different way this time, so he is mafia? How does that make sense?
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On January 06 2015 20:05 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2015 20:04 ritoky wrote:On January 06 2015 20:02 marvellosity wrote:On January 06 2015 20:00 ritoky wrote:
Now as I mentioned before, his claim is the worst since I bungled the crap out of a fake cop claim about 5 months ago? Not exactly sure, been sifting through my games trying to find the posts so I can quote them, no luck so far. If I find them I will quote them. The point is, I did something VERY similar to what SL did in terms of cop claim, where I faked a check, changed my story, and in night phase I rescinded my claim. It was met with such utter hostility and regarded as the worst play people had ever seen both during and after the game. One person in particular was championing that: Robik. He was mafia in the game, so his in game comments are negligible but he spent 2 solid pages after the game railing into me about how it was the worst play ever and he would lynch the living hell out of anyone who did that stupid crap as either alignment. In this game? He seems to have simply accepted it with 0 qualms. Robik could very well be mafia here. you were town there? yes i was VT, fake claimed cop with red check on someone, rescinded the red check and said actually had green check on diff person, then rescinded cop claim in night phase. not exactly same case as here, but similar enough to where robik should have freaked at least a little. So what are you doing? You spend multiple paragraphs throwing shit on sl for making a play that you also did as... town? Then Robik acted one way as mafia, and acts a totally different way this time, so he is mafia? How does that make sense?
my post isn't about his claim, i actually have a lower scum read on him now than i did before, i don't instantly want to lynch him. my problem with him is his reads. he bases his current scum reads on people calling him out on a lie that he has admitted to as being a lie. yet he doesn't seem to question people who just accepted his lies with 0 questions. that's my issue. he has moved up from instant-lynch to like 3rd lynch status.
did you not read it? i said disregard his in-game comments. my point is he was still freaking about it for 2 or more pages AFTER the game. claiming as either alignment he would shit all over the claim and lynch it every time.
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oh right i see. what was his reaction during the actual game?
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On January 06 2015 19:59 marvellosity wrote:
you literally gave it as your prime example to counter my argument that the largest filter pushing things at EoD was never mafia. So you must have felt it was pretty worthy. Now you downplay yourself.
It doesn't matter as I was talking about my general level of scum play to SL, overall I always have low activity and in that particular case I had a surge of activity when I saved Obi from getting lynched over another townie for obvious benefits. I never had the largest filter as mafia and I only made it once to endgame, that's a fact.
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On January 06 2015 20:12 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2015 19:59 marvellosity wrote:
you literally gave it as your prime example to counter my argument that the largest filter pushing things at EoD was never mafia. So you must have felt it was pretty worthy. Now you downplay yourself.
It doesn't matter as I was talking about my general level of scum play to SL, overall I always have low activity and in that particular case I had a surge of activity when I saved Obi from getting lynched over another townie for obvious benefits. I never had the largest filter as mafia and I only made it once to endgame, that's a fact.
then why the shit were you trying to use it as an example to counter my point about largest filter + trying at EoD?
just randomly decided to ditch half my premise or something?
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On January 06 2015 20:01 marvellosity wrote:
also this doesn't make you mafia, but i'm super amused in your previous towngame you went on and on and on and on about listening to dead people, and now all the dead people here want to kill you.
We should absolutely listen to Koshi about Robik, and to VE about Robik, just not about me for obvious reasons.
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On January 06 2015 20:11 marvellosity wrote:
oh right i see. what was his reaction during the actual game?
can't remember it exactly, hence why i am looking for it. i think i soft claimed cop with a check, but didn't want to out the check until later in the phase, he spammed me with caps until i outed the check. then when i changed the check he really wanted to lynch me but someone talked him out of it. then when i rescinded the cop claim entirely he went ape shit. don't quote me on that exactly though, like i said i haven't found the game yet.
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On January 06 2015 20:14 ritoky wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2015 20:11 marvellosity wrote:
oh right i see. what was his reaction during the actual game? can't remember it exactly, hence why i am looking for it. i think i soft claimed cop with a check, but didn't want to out the check until later in the phase, he spammed me with caps until i outed the check. then when i changed the check he really wanted to lynch me but someone talked him out of it. then when i rescinded the cop claim entirely he went ape shit. don't quote me on that exactly though, like i said i haven't found the game yet.
the thing is, right, what people say they would do when they're not in-game doesn't necessarily reflect on what they would do in-game, for a whole number of reasons
the important reference is how they dealt with it in-game, and if they're dissimilar, then that's actually a decent argument for robik being town, primarily because he's not shitting the thread up about a claim that's actually very likely to make sl town.
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On January 06 2015 20:13 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2015 20:12 Vivax wrote:On January 06 2015 19:59 marvellosity wrote:
you literally gave it as your prime example to counter my argument that the largest filter pushing things at EoD was never mafia. So you must have felt it was pretty worthy. Now you downplay yourself.
It doesn't matter as I was talking about my general level of scum play to SL, overall I always have low activity and in that particular case I had a surge of activity when I saved Obi from getting lynched over another townie for obvious benefits. I never had the largest filter as mafia and I only made it once to endgame, that's a fact. then why the shit were you trying to use it as an example to counter my point about largest filter + trying at EoD? just randomly decided to ditch half my premise or something?
Cause I was thinking JAT was mafia for reasons mentioned and then you popped up with a filter size argument in spite of all that I posted. I knew of myself that I pushed things at EoD as mafia and saw that as a reason to not townread people easily for it.
But in my case the filter size is a very good predictor. Not even 40 posts in titanic, and 6 pages in LVIII. I just cba to be active for no reason as mafia.
Won't be talking further about this as it increases the distance to my arguments for SL being scum. Not sure why you think he's obvious town when he was incoherent with his mentioning of reads and got cold feet when I scumread him.
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because mafia just don't fakeclaim cop for no reason under zero pressure.
everything else doesn't matter.
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anywayz, i really think that DrH, artanis and kelsier are town.
i know DrH has fallen off a bit from his day 1; but his day 1 was pretty fucking town now that i am removed from my anger of trying to equate hypocrisy = mafia on him. it is just really hard for me to imagine DrH as anything but town this game.
artanis has voted with DrH and contributed to both of the lynches in the game, and artanis' play is really really town. i think him and DrH are two towns who have been sheeping the wrong cases and/or have bad reads.
kelsier i have as town because he has had similar thought processes as me a lot of the game and i have read his train of thought (particularly on SL) and can really follow it.
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On January 06 2015 20:18 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2015 20:13 marvellosity wrote:On January 06 2015 20:12 Vivax wrote:On January 06 2015 19:59 marvellosity wrote:
you literally gave it as your prime example to counter my argument that the largest filter pushing things at EoD was never mafia. So you must have felt it was pretty worthy. Now you downplay yourself.
It doesn't matter as I was talking about my general level of scum play to SL, overall I always have low activity and in that particular case I had a surge of activity when I saved Obi from getting lynched over another townie for obvious benefits. I never had the largest filter as mafia and I only made it once to endgame, that's a fact. then why the shit were you trying to use it as an example to counter my point about largest filter + trying at EoD? just randomly decided to ditch half my premise or something? Cause I was thinking JAT was mafia for reasons mentioned and then you popped up with a filter size argument in spite of all that I posted. I knew of myself that I pushed things at EoD as mafia and saw that as a reason to not townread people easily for it. But in my case the filter size is a very good predictor. Not even 40 posts in titanic, and 6 pages in LVIII. I just cba to be active for no reason as mafia. Won't be talking further about this as it increases the distance to my arguments for SL being scum. Not sure why you think he's obvious town when he was incoherent with his mentioning of reads and got cold feet when I scumread him.
I am conflicted on SL, because I can understand the perspective of fake claiming cop and the shit he did (as I explained before) coming from a VT perspective; but I also don't understand how his reads are so stagnant and he scum reads people very hard for calling him out while he is straight lying to them (admittedly so at that).
So could you quickly explain to me why he is scum in your eyes. Or quote a previous post, I have forgotten a lot of things trying to catch up with nearly 100 pages of thread.
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On January 06 2015 20:16 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2015 20:14 ritoky wrote:On January 06 2015 20:11 marvellosity wrote:
oh right i see. what was his reaction during the actual game? can't remember it exactly, hence why i am looking for it. i think i soft claimed cop with a check, but didn't want to out the check until later in the phase, he spammed me with caps until i outed the check. then when i changed the check he really wanted to lynch me but someone talked him out of it. then when i rescinded the cop claim entirely he went ape shit. don't quote me on that exactly though, like i said i haven't found the game yet. the thing is, right, what people say they would do when they're not in-game doesn't necessarily reflect on what they would do in-game, for a whole number of reasons the important reference is how they dealt with it in-game, and if they're dissimilar, then that's actually a decent argument for robik being town, primarily because he's not shitting the thread up about a claim that's actually very likely to make sl town.
i think post-game is more relevant because it is agenda-less and he has no reason to lie at that point. which should convey his actual feelings about claims like that. the fact that he is masking that here is odd to me. as i said, i am undecided on it leaning toward it making him mafia.
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On January 06 2015 20:29 ritoky wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2015 20:16 marvellosity wrote:On January 06 2015 20:14 ritoky wrote:On January 06 2015 20:11 marvellosity wrote:
oh right i see. what was his reaction during the actual game? can't remember it exactly, hence why i am looking for it. i think i soft claimed cop with a check, but didn't want to out the check until later in the phase, he spammed me with caps until i outed the check. then when i changed the check he really wanted to lynch me but someone talked him out of it. then when i rescinded the cop claim entirely he went ape shit. don't quote me on that exactly though, like i said i haven't found the game yet. the thing is, right, what people say they would do when they're not in-game doesn't necessarily reflect on what they would do in-game, for a whole number of reasons the important reference is how they dealt with it in-game, and if they're dissimilar, then that's actually a decent argument for robik being town, primarily because he's not shitting the thread up about a claim that's actually very likely to make sl town. i think post-game is more relevant because it is agenda-less and he has no reason to lie at that point. which should convey his actual feelings about claims like that. the fact that he is masking that here is odd to me. as i said, i am undecided on it leaning toward it making him mafia.
it's not about lying or having an agenda post-game, the fact is the reality of playing a game is different to an outside view of playing the game.
like i always think i should policy lynch x or y doing z things, or if x happened in the game then i'd do y. the problem is, in a game you're invested in winning, and you have your subjective reads, so even if i said before, with no agenda, that i should policy lynch x, if x happens and I'm townreading x, I'm very likely not going to follow through on my policy because I think he's town and i want to win.
that was exceptionally waffly but what i'm trying to say is realities of in-game != how you want to play the game objectively outside-of-game
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On January 06 2015 19:29 Palmar wrote:
marv if you're town, why do you think you're alive?
Like I know the same answer for myself, because I've been hilariously bad throughout this game. However it's totally within my meta to be bad occasionally. Not sure about yours.
jat was better and ve claimed medic? Both their kills were better then you or marv. Your wifmo shit on each other is so annoying
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Hi, this just in.
At least one of marv/Palmar has to be scum at this point...
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I kount vot and stahp it
ritoky (1): Superbia
TheChyz (2): Vivax, TheChyz
geript (6): Palmar, Lazermonkey, Marvellosity, KelsierSC, batsnacks
sicklucker (1): ritoky
Vivax (3): Koshi, geript, Glowingbear
Batsnacks (7): Justanothertownie, Eden1892, DoctorHelvetica, Artanis[XP], Damdred, sicklucker, IAmRobik
Not Voting: folks
batsnacks is lynched.
until deadline.
I Count this vote sons
Vivax (3): IAmRobik, geript, ritoky
Superbia (4): Damdred, sicklucker, marvellosity, justanothertownie, (kelsiersc)
IAmRobik (1): Superbia
geript (6): Vivax, DoctorHelvetica, Lazermonkey, palmar, VisceraEyes, Artanis[XP]
Geript is lynched.
Deadline is in
reposting the votes with my town reads
blue = my town reads
Note: kelsier attempted to vote on superbia but failed to bold his post in the voting thread, hence why i added him in parenthesis.
I think if you look at the votes with these reads, the first vote in particular is highly interesting. I would bet quite a bit on there being 2 mafia between SL, damdred, and robik. There's no way the first day lynch was 100% townies. SL was the hammer vote on a town...ugh that guy is so confusing to me now.
I still find marv being on the second wagon BOTH times as really bizarre and makes me for certain want to keep him in my scum pile. Like my eyes were drawn to it last time, and when I redid it with my top 3 town reads I noticed it again.
Also GB's no-vote on day 2 is a really big problem for me. I don't really have a good read on him at this point; and no good vote info is even worse.
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Vivax stop lying you peace of shit. I dont have coldfeet rofl im killing you
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Marv do you not remember how me and vivax used are lynch lists to solve the christmas game? Do you not see how hes blatantly not giving me his list this game
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On January 06 2015 20:42 ritoky wrote:
I still find marv being on the second wagon BOTH times as really bizarre and makes me for certain want to keep him in my scum pile. Like my eyes were drawn to it last time, and when I redid it with my top 3 town reads I noticed it again.
You are aware that I go to bed several hours before deadline (being european), and on d1 batsnacks didn't have a single vote when i went to sleep, yes?
it's like scumreading me for not being awake at 5am. it's ... ridiculous.
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