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Also I don't understand why people are so resistant to advice. I am not a great mafia player, but I have played more than just about anyone here (maybe with VE as an exception). When I say shit, it's not because I like spouting random nonsense, it's because trial and error, in addition with what I learned from people who played before, has taught me that despite anecdotal evidence (hey look, this worked once), there are certain things that are generally good or bad to do. Some examples:
- Don't voteswitch in the last few hours of the day. Have the lynch lined up at least 4 hours prior and an alternative in case the target goes balls to the walls town on us all.
- Don't fakeclaim as town. Do your best to be a target for mafia if you're vanilla. Make them fear you to protect the blues. Don't try to wifom a shot out of them because it fucks with other townies even more.
- Don't make associative reads. You do not know what the mafia wants to do, you're literally handing them weapons to use against you if you allow their actions to control your reads.
- Don't use meta unless you absolutely know what you're doing. Generally only use meta on people you know extremely well, and only trust meta when it focuses on overall style, not specific things.
There's probably a ton more. I keep saying these things, and we keep failing on them.
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On January 18 2015 00:26 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2015 00:12 justanothertownie wrote:On January 18 2015 00:11 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On January 18 2015 00:07 marvellosity wrote:On January 18 2015 00:01 justanothertownie wrote:On January 17 2015 23:59 marvellosity wrote:On January 17 2015 23:57 justanothertownie wrote:
I wonder how many pages a townmarv would have gotten this game. hopefully not more, hopefully less. I am actually pretty serious about trying to tone down my posting as town, so I don't have to go through this kind of game again as mafia. I was bound to be in enough trouble this game without trying to at least vomit filter length too :/ It seems like you are really aiming for that mislynch. maybe. i think i can look very town without posting a lot when i am town though. i can't as mafia. I think your push on Lazer at the end actually looked a lot like Townmarv. If you could copy that as scum before you're in mortal danger it'd actually be quite hard to discern your alignment. You are telling me townmarv who is left alive by scum for some unknown reason constantly tunnels on the same lynchbaity player for the last days? No fucking way. I'm not talking about the overall picture, he was obviously mafia for it. I just mean that the way he pushed his target there resembled townmarv.
It actually looked nothing like townmarv 
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yeah you're up there too, of course.
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On January 18 2015 00:29 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2015 00:28 Palmar wrote:On January 18 2015 00:26 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On January 18 2015 00:12 justanothertownie wrote:On January 18 2015 00:11 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On January 18 2015 00:07 marvellosity wrote:On January 18 2015 00:01 justanothertownie wrote:On January 17 2015 23:59 marvellosity wrote:On January 17 2015 23:57 justanothertownie wrote:
I wonder how many pages a townmarv would have gotten this game. hopefully not more, hopefully less. I am actually pretty serious about trying to tone down my posting as town, so I don't have to go through this kind of game again as mafia. I was bound to be in enough trouble this game without trying to at least vomit filter length too :/ It seems like you are really aiming for that mislynch. maybe. i think i can look very town without posting a lot when i am town though. i can't as mafia. I think your push on Lazer at the end actually looked a lot like Townmarv. If you could copy that as scum before you're in mortal danger it'd actually be quite hard to discern your alignment. You are telling me townmarv who is left alive by scum for some unknown reason constantly tunnels on the same lynchbaity player for the last days? No fucking way. I'm not talking about the overall picture, he was obviously mafia for it. I just mean that the way he pushed his target there resembled townmarv. It actually looked nothing like townmarv What do you feel was different about it? It was a very concise point on why LM was scum.
Because by day 5 townmarv has actual reads to base things on.
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like he'd already have developed some kind of an overall feel for him, probably talked about him multiple times, then saw this and pointed it out, but also tried to fit it with the overall read that he already had.
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like it looked like townmarv, had he did something like that on day 1.
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On January 18 2015 00:36 marvellosity wrote:
Koshi made a great point in QT actually how i managed to paint myself into a corner by townreading everyone i should be townreading, leaving me with 3 scum by PoE who i kinda hadn't pushed at all.
Yes, didn't I try to force you into that position at one point?
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On January 18 2015 00:37 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2015 00:36 marvellosity wrote:
Koshi made a great point in QT actually how i managed to paint myself into a corner by townreading everyone i should be townreading, leaving me with 3 scum by PoE who i kinda hadn't pushed at all. Yeah, I think your biggest flaw (other than not pushing your suspects as strongly) as scum is clearing people too quickly, but I guess you kind of have to since that's what you do as town.
yep he has to.
Marv will should win a scumteam a game. His job is to distract town for long enough to allow his team to sweep up. Most higher profile players need to take this role because in the end it will be obvious they are mafia.
The alternative option is sooo difficult to pull off.
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and koshi was so spot on with that point in the QT.
You bastards shouldn't have killed koshi, he was my boy.
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On January 18 2015 01:08 justanothertownie wrote:
Like if I have doubts about both wagons then I WILL push the scumread I am more confident on and I don't think that is wrong at all.
Sure, but you have to understand what you're losing.
I guess the main problem is people voting too late. Like there needs to be a compelling reason to actually votswitch. None of these I listed is a hard and fast rule, the problem is that everyone thinks they're the unique snowflake the rules don't apply to.
If you use hours 36-48 to decide the actual lynch, close to 100% of the people in town get to help make that choice. if you only use hours 44-48 to do it, you're cutting off a significant portion of town.
Back in the day, late deadlines (US deadlines), were much more common than they are now. And towns would sometimes impose "soft" deadlines on themselves to make sure you include everyone in the process. Basically "we're not changing the lynch after this unless there's a massively good reason to".
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