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KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
January 01 2015 01:37 GMT
#817
Bats your play feels different this game, not like town at all.

That read seems really fabricated, chyz explains why he changed his mind and you say he only did it to get town points....i don't see how he knows it gets him town points, is it his fault Eden reads him town as a result. In fact it has proved the opposite.

All the cases seem weak and you trying to push a weak case is scummy.

You said something like "I would vote on chyz if drh wasn't pushing it" so you are giving yourself a way out already. I dont know what saying that even means.

Plus, no traps

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KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
January 01 2015 01:44 GMT
#818
Alright sleep time.

Right now my scum are geript, lazer and bats.

My town is dam,drh,artanic[xp] and
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KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
January 01 2015 01:44 GMT
#819
Jat
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KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
January 01 2015 14:58 GMT
#851
Koshi problem is it is new years day and most people are hungover to fuck.
I'm aight though.

Guna catch up on the thread now, I see rit did a list post
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KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
January 01 2015 15:02 GMT
#854
On January 01 2015 23:57 Lazermonkey wrote:
Hi again.

I realize that I kinda sucked yesterday. Got way to tunnely on Chyz. I will try to reread some things and reevaluate my thoughts as best as I can.

As for the "case" on me, I think its pretty weak + I will have some time to post today so I don't fear too much for my death. Won't really bother to defend myself right now but I'd rather focus on trying to get a hang on the game and figure out who I think is the best lynch!


"this is what I should say to appear town"

To me this sounds just like, if I defend myself I look scum, so im just going to act like ibwant to scum hunt. Really forced and formulaic statement.

Also if you admit you sucked yesterday then how can the case on you be weak? Explain why the case is weak
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KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
January 01 2015 15:11 GMT
#857
Yeh geript looks shit so does lazer. Would lynch either happily.

I would lynch bats aswell, what do you think of my case?
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KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
January 01 2015 15:17 GMT
#859
Shit man I'm all by myself with no one to talk to. Plus I cant quote or make a proper case on my phone.

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KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
January 01 2015 15:23 GMT
#860
What about the read bats had in.chyz . Based in the way chyz changed his koshi read. That felt really contrived and like bats was willfully misinterpreting the events
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KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
January 01 2015 15:58 GMT
#869
Koshi seems ok
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KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
January 01 2015 17:20 GMT
#896
I like Robik so far
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KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
January 01 2015 17:22 GMT
#900
On January 02 2015 02:20 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 01 2015 06:48 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Yeah, of course I think it's intentional. I will rehash my three main cases in spoilers here. If people are finally listening just read carefully. I'm a terrible writer these days so I can clear up any reasoning that seems fuzzy or unclear to anybody.

First: this is about Chyz's read of eden being artificial. It's the least convincing case but I think in the greater context it still looks really bad. This is kind of all over the place so I'd be glad to restate the points more clearly if I need to.
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On December 31 2014 18:02 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
TheChyz is mafia

The foundation of my argument is that TheChyz superficially chose eden1892 when asked for his reads. When I dismiss his initial reasons, he further contradicts the premise of his read and then changes the reasons when asked about it by ritoky. Let's go through his post history with context.

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On December 31 2014 17:06 TheChyz wrote:
Hello all.

Currently I don't like the direction that dr.H and ritoky are going. Basically I just see it as dr.H doing something not alignment indicative (someone always talks about policy lynches :/ ) and now ritoky is just trying to either prove that dr.H is scum or (my most probably guess) is he just wants to get an early acknowledgement of dominance by trying to force dr.H into admitting he did not follow his own policy (which most people don't follow anyway). I don't see a reason why ritoky would push this so far without any agenda.

@ritoky lets move onto something a bit more important than trying to prove your dick is bigger than dr.H's. If there is anything substantial you have then go ahead, but currently your just being more of a filter spammer than anything.


This post is supposed to be uncontroversial. I realize now I initially misread part of this post but it changes nothing. The important part is colored in red.

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On December 31 2014 17:22 TheChyz wrote:
Nah i just don't like conversations going in circles for years on end. Eden is sticking out to me as my largest scum read because the constant defensive wording in each post where there always seems to be some idea of not jumpin on somebody too strongly. Just doesn't sit right about how cautious he/she (sorry dont know) is trying to be when there is literally no reason to be cautious other than being afraid of having heat thrown his/her way.

dr.H and ritoky lean town. pointless talking mostly but mafia probably doesn't want too much attention for absolutely no reason other than proving a point.


Let's sum up the Eden read:
1. Eden is my largest scum read.
2. He is scummy because he uses defensive wording.
3. He is scummy because he is not jumping on anyone strongly.
4. He is scummy because he is playing cautiously and fearfully.

Of all players in this game this about describes Eden the least. What about the myriad of other players who have yet to accuse anyone of being mafia?

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On December 31 2014 17:17 Eden1892 wrote:
in fact Chyz you can have my first vote of the game, it's special to me so please treat us right. Doc I still have reservations about wrt me being unfair, Chyz I really don't.

##VOTE: TheChyz


This post comes before TheChyz's second post. Eden is one of only two players in the game to even vote up until this point. Why oh why considering this would eden stand out specifically to TheChyz as a player who is
1. Defensive
2. Not jumping on anyone
3. Too cautious

This is the first time in the game that TheChyz expresses immediate suspicion towards someone who votes for him.

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On December 31 2014 17:33 TheChyz wrote:
He just is? Like I can be suspicious too. Hell i'm suspicious of everybody, but its just the wording that he is using doesn't sit right with me. Seems to clean.


1. Everyone is suspicious
2. I am suspicious
3. The only thing that makes eden seem scummy is his wording doesn't seem right.

I'm not sure what "The wording isn't right" means. Earlier TheChyz has more specific reasons, but I guess he kinda forgot about them or whatever. It was only his largest scum read so those kinds of things don't matter. Shoot, he's just suspicious of everybody so it doesn't really matter!

I wonder when TheChyz will have something substantial to say. Apparently his scumreads aren't very substantial at all as he says himself.

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On December 31 2014 17:30 TheChyz wrote:
I don't have a reason to vote for eden. Because someone is my largest scum read (at this point in the game that means he is the least towny out of all like, what , 5 players) doesn't mean i need to vote on him. Garbage vote atm so why would i do it?


With this post let's try to get a masterlist of all the things you think about Eden, your #1 scumread. Sorry if I'm redundant.

1. Eden is my largest scumread.
2. Eden is scummy because he uses defensive wording.
3. Eden is scummy because he is afraid of jumping on anyone. (I would assume this means accusing, pressuring,voting - all things Eden had done before he brought this up)
4. Eden is scummy because he seems cautious and fearful.
5. Eden is scummy just because his wording just doesn't seem right.
6. I have no reason to vote for Eden.
7. Voting for eden is a garbage vote.
8. Eden is the least towny of all the players.

And then:
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On December 31 2014 17:39 TheChyz wrote:
Defend what read? Stop spewing garbage and putting it in peoples mouths. I didn't like how eden is formulating his soft accusations and I haven't dismissed it yet. Is it anything to push on, no? But alas donkeys like you like seeing garbage reads so I thought id give you one. Here's another
##vote: DoctorHelvetica


Eden's soft accusations resulted in a vote on you pages ago. Now you're accusing me of being soft for not voting for you but eden is soft for whatever reason because I guess you have to stick to your guns or something. I'll wait a few more hours to vote and see how long you chase your tail over it



Second: I think the most damning.
On January 01 2015 05:49 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
TheChyz

On January 01 2015 03:16 TheChyz wrote:
does anybody have a read on lazer? I really feel like all of the posts hes made have very little commitment behind then and its as if he is scared to reach too and just goes for easy already discussed stuff. Also his last 3 "reads" are just a summation of stuff and I congratulate him for being able to read and repeat stuff but nothing at all has come out of him at all.

Even you dr.H, I may be hypocritical to you about lazer, but don't you agree? Or are you just tunneling and trying to prove how wrong you are at the end?


Seeking thread approval. His read is bullshit so he wants to see if someone buys into his reasoning. This is a textbook example of a noncommittal read. Nice way of deflecting at the end too. My argument was 100% at that point about his read on eden being a fabrication. One size fits all argument. His question for me is meaningless because the premise of the question is false. Does anyone have a read on x seems like a weird question after:

On January 01 2015 01:58 TheChyz wrote:
I don't like how koshi entered the thread. But afterwards he makes a decent defense of me and seems to be able to make a coherent read on me. I don't see a point to defend me as scum so early on with little votes and as such that leans town to me.

I don't see where people are getting this geript thing. If someone can enlighten me but I liked his intros into the thread, nothing amazing but better than the other fluff people were posting. Later on he has seem to slacked off a bit but other than not seeming to scum hunt as much as I'm used he doesn't seem scummy. null for me. Maybe you guys know him better than I and have a bad feeling but I don't see anything conclusive.

I don't like lazer atm. He hasn't really done any scum hunting this game and is rehashing old stuff and using it again. The read on robik is w/e. Robik has done nothing except "activity" posts so obv that doesn't look good as town. However him making a read on those 2 robik posts and having nothing on anybody else apart from me doesn't sit right. His case on me can be thought of both ways and as such is pointless. Basically his reasoning is if I was scum and was asked to push my thoughts I would. But the same case can be made of me as town. I don't like his play atm and want more from him.
##Vote: Lazermonkey


This post comes before. He seems quite confident in his read here. Mafia players I think often structure their initial accusations to sound strong and back off more over time. Nothing about Koshi is suspicious to him and he only changes his mind later after quite a few other players put heat on Koshi. He has nothing to say about geript so I don't know why he even included it. Maybe this is one of the useful thoughts all townies should share. Since TheChyz is confident enough to vote for Lazermonkey (something he refused to do for eden who was his largest scumread at the time which he never technically dropped) I went ahead and looked at lazermonkey.

On January 01 2015 00:30 Lazermonkey wrote:
Hi everyone

Because of NYE, I will only be able to be active for a few hours today. Tomorrow I'll have more time though. Chyz looks scummy. Though I do think people are attacking him for the wrong reasons. The discussion between DH and rikoty WAS stupid. But if you look at Chyz opening post, he doesn't give any actual opinion about the players involved other than that rikoty should move on. Nowhere does he speak about their alignment.

On December 31 2014 17:06 TheChyz wrote:
Hello all.

Currently I don't like the direction that dr.H and ritoky are going. Basically I just see it as dr.H doing something not alignment indicative (someone always talks about policy lynches :/ ) and now ritoky is just trying to either prove that dr.H is scum or (my most probably guess) is he just wants to get an early acknowledgement of dominance by trying to force dr.H into admitting he did not follow his own policy (which most people don't follow anyway). I don't see a reason why ritoky would push this so far without any agenda.

@ritoky lets move onto something a bit more important than trying to prove your dick is bigger than dr.H's. If there is anything substantial you have then go ahead, but currently your just being more of a filter spammer than anything.

Chyz doesn't follow up with anything at all untill he is called out. Why is it that he the first thing that he felt he had to post was that people was on the wrong track, instead of actually trying give some of his own opinion? This is scum mentality.

##Vote: TheChyz


Good post. Even if he is wrong about Chyz's alignment, he's noticing the right things.

On January 01 2015 00:38 Lazermonkey wrote:
On December 31 2014 15:17 geript wrote:
So you don't find Robik who is normally an exceptionally prolific poster as town posting "Hello?" twice and then fucking off when he got ignored interesting in the slightest?

I think Robik is scummy for this. Obviously, it was at the very start of the game so its not the strongest of reads BUT I know I did a very similar thing in another game, i.e. saying something of absolutely no substance early on in the game to indicative that I was in fact active, and then just afk.

I was scum that game.


Interesting. Chyz's accusations don't quite fit what Lazermonkey was doing here.

" The read on robik is w/e. Robik has done nothing except "activity" posts so obv that doesn't look good as town. However him making a read on those 2 robik posts and having nothing on anybody else apart from me doesn't sit right."

First of all Chyz is actually agreeing with the read. His point of suspicion is that LazerMonkey doesn't have any other scumreads he's pushing besides him. What's wrong with that exactly?

On January 01 2015 02:06 TheChyz wrote:
I don't usually pay much attention to people until they actually do something. Ionno, its kinda like ppl policy lynching lurkers and such (since that is kinda what robik is doing). By no means is he town but also saying nothing is not really anything to jump on top of, at least not yet anyway. Usually lurkers lurk by day 1 and if he wants to do that, fine. Doesn't mean he will probably last day 2 if he continues that way.

By entrance I meant more like the first few posts of the game. Ionno, it just felt very similar to the other time I played with him in which he was town. I don't think any of the posts on geript hold any real substance (unless I scimmed through an important one too quickly) and are kinda more like peoples soft reads on him.

Bolded. LazerMonkey didn't jump all over Robik for anything especially since his read was just revealed as a response to geripts question. He focuses his attention on TheChyz for the most part, read LazerMonkey's filter.

On January 01 2015 01:39 Lazermonkey wrote:
On January 01 2015 01:15 KelsierSC wrote:
Laazermonkey I have "your" chyz read , can you give some thoughts about other players in the game?

Outside of Robik and Chyz, not too much.

geript I'm a bit torn on. Initially, I thought he was a bit scummy (waiting for Palmar, Marv etc) but he has been active and was one of the players that really got the discussion going. This is making me like him somewhat, as scum there is no reason to be that active in the start of the game really. Slight town read on him.

I think sicklurker posted some relevant things at the start of the game. Not much though, but a slight town read this far.


He's even forthcoming when asked about it. This is an obvious case of "Chyz is my top read so I'm focusing on him" and considering LazerMonkey's lower activity this is the right kind of production. In fact, yet again LazerMonkey has been much more confident and open about his reads than TheChyz has. All of his votes are OMGUS with weak reasoning and look at how he backs down from me (in chronological order):
On December 31 2014 17:39 TheChyz wrote:
Defend what read? Stop spewing garbage and putting it in peoples mouths. I didn't like how eden is formulating his soft accusations and I haven't dismissed it yet. Is it anything to push on, no? But alas donkeys like you like seeing garbage reads so I thought id give you one. Here's another
##vote: DoctorHelvetica

On December 31 2014 17:41 TheChyz wrote:
On December 31 2014 17:38 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
On December 31 2014 17:36 TheChyz wrote:
Meh now i see how ritoky got caught in that discussion with you it is. I have nothing to prove to you since your threatening me with what? Not following my day 1 talk. sounds fimilar.

A bandwagon. I'm nearly 100% convinced that you're mafia. I encourage everyone to vote for you and will spend as much time as I need to convince them and to force you to keep defending yourself over and over again. You don't have to reply to me if you think it's a waste of time. I might not succeed if you just ignore me.

Put your money where your mouth is and vote, or do you like to just spew fluff left and right?

On December 31 2014 17:53 TheChyz wrote:
Does anybody else find it strange that after making that case on my and my "garbage" read and all that that when dr.H finally mans up and says that I'm 100% scum and basically will do anything to get me lynched and the proceeds to just leave it at that. No vote, nothing. Seems like he just wants to start a bullshit case on me and hope others latch on. If nothing happens he will probs just drop it. Really scummish to me.

Anybody else have opinions on dr.H?seeking approval


On January 01 2015 03:26 TheChyz wrote:
I remember geript making a post about dr.H being a bully when mafia. Does anybody else agree with this? I was fine with dr.H like 8 hours ago because it seemed like he was trying to scum hunt. Now it just looks like hes trying to filter spam the same thing over and over and trying push a vote.


8 hours ago I was tunneling him and he was calling me a donkey idiot and voting for me and trying to convince others to vote for me or feel suspicious about me. He liked that I was trying to scum hunt when I was posting cases on him and trying to get people to vote for him? Self admitted guilt. No way town would congratulate another townie for tunneling them cause it was a great effort or something. What the fuck?

On January 01 2015 03:41 TheChyz wrote:
On December 31 2014 17:39 TheChyz wrote:
But alas donkeys like you like seeing garbage reads so I thought id give you one. Here's another
##vote: DoctorHelvetica


I think it was fairly obvious this wasn't a serious read...
And I was really tired and a bit annoyed so wanted to let off a bit of steam.


You made an obvious attempt to sell it to the rest of the thread. Straight up lying. Is this enough to lynch the chyz now? I can always go back and explain how his eden read was fabricated bullshit too.



Third: behaving inconsistent with his town meta
+ Show Spoiler +
On January 01 2015 06:11 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
You could also look at how much more confidently TheChyz plays in cultured mini mafia where he was town: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/444078-cultured-mini-mafia?user=TheChyz
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On February 26 2014 16:38 TheChyz wrote:
kk. With geript I still have a problem of how he was so quick to say that rayn and toad couldn't be scum together. There was no explanation why he made that conclusion until I finally made him answer with
On February 26 2014 12:33 geript wrote:
On February 26 2014 12:26 TheChyz wrote:
Hey geript I'm not a moron you know. My memory lasts more than a few minutes. Would you mind explain why rayn and toad can't be scum together. (for the third time...)

A few things. One is how chummy they are early makes it unlikely they'd be together. Second, Rayn is probably town for his geript cop joke; it took me like 3 minutes to get that one. Third, I like Rayn's WoS vote and minor push; WoS has been trolling really weird to start off with and isn't his usual witty self. Fourth, they wouldn't both likely push back against me as scum together this early. Like I'm apparently unreadable to people which is totally crazy in my mind.



All of these points are terrible. It seems more like he just put out some random statement and after being asked to answer on it it seems like he is backtracking. See how he goes to make several points. Not only does it seem like he is trying to be over defensive but that most of them are just a big pile of poop. Let's go over the points:
1) I don't even know what chummy means but it seems like the way you guys are acting early on. Again that doesn't really say anything and is something anybody can say about almost anything.
2) He is backtracking to a joke rayn made that makes him town? Well shit i think he just solved mafia. People making jokes = town. I don't understand the context but I believe that is irrelevant.
3) I don't even understand this one. Something again that rayn is towny to him.
4) Saying how its unlikely for something to happen which does not seem unlikely at all.

In all of these points, NOTHING again answers why he think rayn and toad cannot be scum together. If anything it seems more like he is developing a rayn town read. This all seems like a load of backtracking and most likely hoping that he wouldn't get called out for his words before hand.

Apart from that everything else just has no effort to even try and scum hunt. Thought he was kinda scummy but not this scummy until re-reading his filter now.

##Vote geript



His first vote in this game is thought out and much more thoroughly explained. He makes no attempt at all to gain approval from the thread or ask anyones opinion.

Wonder how good the odds are that still no one will evem read all this


I read the case, I don't like it at all.

move on now
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KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
January 01 2015 17:25 GMT
#907
geript probably suspects me because I was the first person to make a real case on him.

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KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
January 01 2015 17:28 GMT
#909
On January 02 2015 02:25 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
I won't give it to you then. If I'm being told that I need to put in less effort to get listened to then I may as well out.

@kelsier. No intention of doing that.


alright man the thing is this.

You had your reads and your case and it felt like you believed what you were saying.

Then you posted a lot of confirmation bias which to me still felt town. Like anyone who agreed chyz was scummy you had as town (lazer). And anything chyz posted was mafia to you. Again you felt super tunneled but it still felt believable and towny.

You need to give me other stuff. Just saying "I don't like X" and tunnelling all day is really not pro town.

geript or lazer should be the lynch but we can lynch bats too when other people read my case
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KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
January 01 2015 17:39 GMT
#915
On January 02 2015 02:32 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Refute my second case along with the meta read. You didn't even read it.


I did read the second case, I just don't agree with any of it.

I don't think chyz did anything overly scummy and there is a lot of confirmation bias.

You have these gigantic walls of text about chyz but to me you just find everything he has said and then extrapolate it to make him mafia
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KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
January 01 2015 17:40 GMT
#917
On January 02 2015 02:32 Lazermonkey wrote:
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On January 02 2015 02:22 justanothertownie wrote:
On January 02 2015 02:21 Lazermonkey wrote:
On January 02 2015 02:15 justanothertownie wrote:
On January 02 2015 02:07 Lazermonkey wrote:
Lynching Marv is a terrible idea btw.

Elaborate.

Basically what Artanis said.

marv will be posting more on D2 no matter what alignment he is. We will be able to judge him better at that point. If he sucks then, sure I can kill him. To kill the strongest player because he is inactive D1, when there are legitimate reasons to be inactive, is hardly worth it.

Besides, even if your really think he is a good target, do you really believe he is the BEST target?

If marv is scum he will probably be happy to even survive day1.

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On January 02 2015 02:23 justanothertownie wrote:
You didn't even give a read on marv.

I'm not super impressed by marvs play this fair but TBH I don't have a strong read on him nor do I prioritize getting a better read on him atm. My point still stands though, I'm not willing to kill the strongest player because he is playing bad/is inactive D1.


cool so who do you want to kill?
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KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
January 01 2015 17:41 GMT
#918
On January 02 2015 02:39 Damdred wrote:
I've read your case DrH,

Part one of your case and part three are pretty weak.

Part three I think is the weakest because it is a flawed meta read comparing a game that is over a year old with a game that is current, He doesn't even have a ton of games posted on this site so its really hard for me to give credence to such a meta read, newbies change their meta and since its been a year since he last played here it is logical to think that his play would of changed or that he has rust and is getting back in it. So part three doesn't make him mafia I think.

Part one, I just don't think it makes him mafia. Townies can be really guilty of that as time goes along and it was really early in the game at that point.

Part two is probably your strongest point and it isn't really that bad, more time has passed in the thread and there is plenty of context. Question as i'm reading through it are you just trying to compare two lower activity players in lazzer and chy? It feels a bit out of place in the case and threw me off a bit. Besides that it does read like he is seeking approval and the lie you caught him in looks bad i will give you that.

You put a good bit of work in but i'm just not sure if that makes him mafia necessarily.


what lie did he catch, tell me in 15 seconds or you are scum
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KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
January 01 2015 17:45 GMT
#921
On December 31 2014 17:39 TheChyz wrote:
Defend what read? Stop spewing garbage and putting it in peoples mouths. I didn't like how eden is formulating his soft accusations and I haven't dismissed it yet. Is it anything to push on, no? But alas donkeys like you like seeing garbage reads so I thought id give you one. Here's another
##vote: DoctorHelvetica

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KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
January 01 2015 17:45 GMT
#922
On January 02 2015 02:42 Damdred wrote:
Where he said he was ok with Dr h but previously he was voting him etc., it very much could be catching in a lie


meh I read that as more frustration with DrH tunneling on him and having garbage reads. In fact he prefaces it, as such.

On December 31 2014 17:39 TheChyz wrote:
Defend what read? Stop spewing garbage and putting it in peoples mouths. I didn't like how eden is formulating his soft accusations and I haven't dismissed it yet. Is it anything to push on, no? But alas donkeys like you like seeing garbage reads so I thought id give you one. Here's another
##vote: DoctorHelvetica


seems more like a joke to me
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KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
January 01 2015 17:48 GMT
#924
On January 02 2015 02:46 Lazermonkey wrote:
I'm having doubts about Chyz as well. I do think his play is bad and I don't agree with almost anything he has said this fair. But I'm not sure that makes him scum. He could just as well be bad town. I don't disagree with your case DH in the sense that I think all of Chyz plays are wierd and/or bad but can you explain his actions from a scum PoV? If something doesn't make sense from a town PoV but also doesn't make sense as scum, I don't think its a good reason to lynch someone for.

Granted, I would not be super sad if Chyz got lynched today. I do think he is a better lynch than say Robik. But I think geript is a much better lynch for today.

##Unvote
##Vote: geript



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KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
January 01 2015 20:56 GMT
#1106
##unvote
##vote geript
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