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Damdred
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Please vote super viv shouldn't be the lynch | ||
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Vivax
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On January 04 2015 23:32 KelsierSC wrote: Was I keen on defending Robik?,I said I think there are better lynches and now I went and read his filter thoroughly and despite some odd points I think he is towny and I don't want to lynch him. I scum read you d1 so What are the odd points, or did you already point them out. | ||
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KelsierSC
United Kingdom10443 Posts
On January 04 2015 23:40 Vivax wrote: What are the odd points, or did you already point them out. yes just a few posts ago I gave what I thought about Robik | ||
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Vivax
22298 Posts
You already brought up Lazer misrepresenting and it's good. He tried to make associations ebtween me and you before even reading my filter thoroughly and I think he simply let his fantasy running too wild while finding reasons to vote for me, also I don't think you're mafia but he argues you are with very generic arguments that don't apply in the post in question. Basically all you have to do for now is ignore super and focus on who the scum is on my wagon (gonna do it myself but some help would be appreciated). Like, it doesn't even matter much if I flip or not what only matters is what happens after as then I'm confirmed and we already found all the bullshitters. Other people on me I see as possible scum at this point are still Robik (HIm using Koshis death in odd ways to read me and JAT differently, and ignoring us at night cause he had a better agenda as he said), geript I have to read for this day, marv definitely doesn't seem to care as much as he should, and VE felt somehow weird to me too. I still have no idea if SL's cop claim is real or not but since he calls it cop nonsense I'm inclined to believe not at this point. He wasn't really clear about it as he asked Lazer for his reads afterwards so right now just looks like bullshitting. DrH tentatively town but maybe he's just the HF mafia type of player, he sided with me when I started getting heat and somehow this day it has been reversed. Probably indicative that he really found something he didn't like, so I'll stick to that. JAT good questioning of Robik but could also have been intended to look good, at the time I really like it though. However the high volume low content style still bothers me and all the stuff I mentioned still is sound in my memory so on the backburner for now. Brb. | ||
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Vivax
22298 Posts
On January 04 2015 23:44 KelsierSC wrote: yes just a few posts ago I gave what I thought about Robik Btw tomorrow is my birthday too. And I just noticed you don't take into account the points I mentioned about Robik and JAT questioned him about them too, but you were there when they were brought up all the time. Yet they don't appear in your reasoning. Only reason you townread him is cause of one post where he acts high and mighty and says he can read anyone however he pleases. Pretty easy to say that so unwarranted. So why doesn't he talk to his seeming scumreads at night to pursue a "more important agenda, and if he sheeps Koshi why doesn't he go more into geriptafter the night who was another one of Koshi's scumreads? Instead he parks his vote on me and disappears until he is brought up again. | ||
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KelsierSC
United Kingdom10443 Posts
On January 05 2015 00:00 Vivax wrote: Btw tomorrow is my birthday too. And I just noticed you don't take into account the points I mentioned about Robik and JAT questioned him about them too, but you were there when they were brought up all the time. Yet they don't appear in your reasoning. Only reason you townread him is cause of one post where he acts high and mighty and says he can read anyone however he pleases. Pretty easy to say that so unwarranted. So why doesn't he talk to his seeming scumreads at night to pursue a "more important agenda, and if he sheeps Koshi why doesn't he go more into geriptafter the night who was another one of Koshi's scumreads? Instead he parks his vote on me and disappears until he is brought up again. for the second point I think it is safe to sat Koshi was more confident in his scum read of you than of geript so that isn't a major issue. I totally agree I don't like how he went after you and didn't consider other options. Yeh you, Robik and JAT had something going on about P 150 or soemthing, let me go reread that | ||
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Vivax
22298 Posts
On January 02 2015 06:01 geript wrote: Meh, whatever Marv. I'm really hungry and don't feel like posting 4 pages on how you're scum. You are. Congrats you got me lynched; well Koshi got me lynched. Here's a tl;dr version that people need to sheep: 1. Read on Robik is fucking terrible. Robik is scum 2. No interactions with Koshi--normally these two are absolutely fucking hilarious to play with 3. Not fun; little to no sarcasm, wit, or fun factor that makes Marv fun to play with 4. Wouldn't read me like he does. He'd be more scared to lynch into me (looking elsewhere first) and less sure on his read on me. 5. Marv wouldn't fear lynch on D1 6. Really fucking terrible list post. @Artanis, Palmer and Doc. Look at Marv. He's not right. Doc get your head screwed on straight and actually think about the game critically. I'm pretty sure your read on Chyz is wrong. Town: Artanis[XP]--Not as active as I'd like. But I'm prettty sure he's town DoctorHelvetica--Way off track Palmar--First time he's read me wrong as town. lolz TheChyz--He's just new. But he's town. Damdred--He's town. But force him to post a bunch tomorrow because he notices some good things here and there justanothertownie sicklucker--I initially had him below this in the unsure pile. But I had a townread on him when I read him before I slept. Cursory view of his meta points towards town; that said, it's not wholly applicable because of different game situations imo. Unsure but active pile: batsnacks--of these two, bat is the most likely to be mafia. KelsierSC--felt towny but i forget why GTFO: RebirthOfLeGenD Superbia Vivax GlowingBear Mafia lean: Eden1892--Went ham but not fully ham. Then drops ham and never goes back to ham land. Really odd start. ritoky -- He townread me at a weird point. His read on Robik was pretty weird. Marv wants to lynch him but doesn't really follow up on it. Koshi --Could be wrong here Mafia: Marvellosity IAmRobik Lazermonkey--From a cursory view of his past 3-4 games On January 02 2015 14:02 Alakaslam wrote: I kount vot and stahp it ritoky (1): TheChyz (2): DoctorHelvetica (0): geript (6): marvellosity (0): Lazermonkey (0): IAmRobik (0): sicklucker (1): ritoky Vivax (3): Koshi, geript, Glowingbear Batsnacks (7): Justanothertownie, Eden1892, DoctorHelvetica, Artanis[XP], Damdred, sicklucker, IAmRobik Not Voting: folks batsnacks is lynched. until deadline. On January 04 2015 14:17 geript wrote: SL who knows. Maybe he's a noob, but there's really not a point in thinking about him unless there's a counter claim or he lives for 2-3 days and there's not a missing NK. Odds are he's actually the cop and is using the role poorly Vivax--The reasons I've seen brought up against him made me think he was worth voting for on D1. His posts haven't inspired me and I haven't seen the unique Vivax perspective that I usually see when he's town; plus his posts have been more logic/reason based which is usually what I see from him as mafia. That's said, DrH's comment summarizing Vivax's play I don't find alignment indicative as he does that as town (not sure if he also does it as mafia). All that said, I haven't really gotten past page 2 on his filter every time I open it because I get bored. Good chance for being scum. Damdred--I thought he was blue and cop by how he's playing. A few points have been made about him that caught my eye because they're things I associate with his mafia play (less active, more passive play, less "in the trenches", etc.). That said, he's made a few good points which I don't think he would if he were town. Maybe I just misread him as blue. I think he's town but I'm less sure than I was yesterday. Robik--I've absolutely hated Robik's D2. It's been pretty bad. He makes no useful points and just posts a bunch of crap. Unfortunately, that's my experience of his town play. He also has a pretty large filter and he's, from my understanding, a renowned pussy when he's mafia (I'm less sure of this honestly). There are a lot of points that vote both ways, but overall I think he's town, but I'd put that just barely. GB--I think this guys's town. I talked with Artanis some about him. Maybe we disagree, but if Vivax is mafia, then GB has a higher percentage of being with him for being too right as he's not a player who in my experience has been reasonably accurate with his reads. VE--Feels very town VE to me. IDK, can't really explain it but I've played with him a bunch. The largest counterpoint to this is that as of late as mafia he's been less active and more lazy aiming more for not being lynched than his previous active scum game. LM--Has an apparent greencheck on him. Worth considering 90% accurate unless SL flips not blue, there's a CC or what not. Marv--I'm guessing is town. I've been super wafflecone on this guy and in writing this, I'm realizing that at least some of my town reads have to be wrong Kels--I thought you were town. But I haven't really played a bunch of games to have a great read on you. Superbia--He's been flat out wrong about my meta from Russian, super inactive and just overall has no care to play. I don't think I've ever really managed to get a read on him and the games I've played with him he's either been super town or managed to get himself lynched at some point. For some reason I think he might be less active as mafia in general but honestly I have no clue how correct that actually is. Palmer--has a history of being scum when I role town. I honestly have never had a good clue as to what his alignment is. He'll bus as mafia; he'll generally be less active as mafia. But this game is in a weird situation (NYE into weekend) that he coudl just be MIA town at points. I just really enjoy his snark and how fun he makes the game. Lynch him later on at some point I think. DrH--None of what he's actually done has been productive. I don't know how honest he's being in his apology. He can be town who's just been overzealous, biased and tunneled or he could be mafia just playing to win. Don't Lynch Pool: Damdred GlowingBear Geript Artanis[XP] Lazermonkey Marvellosity justanothertownie IAmRobik sicklucker VisceraEyes KelsierSC IDK Pool: Palmer Lynch Pool: TheChyz Vivax ritoky DoctorHelvetica Superbia Overall, Kelsier, Damdred, GB, LM and JAT are my weakest Don't Lynch reads. The Lynch pool is essentialy PoE. I still expect at least one Vet to be mafia but as to which one in specific the best bet I think is Palmer. He'd read Eden as town; DrH I don't think allows those kills to go through. Not sure why, but they don't quite suit what I've read of his mafia play (I've never seen him as mafia in a large game I've played in). I don't want to hyperbolize this by bolding red but if you look at the parts I marked, don't you see how all of this doesn't seem to make sense? | ||
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Damdred
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Vivax
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Then this : Robik--I've absolutely hated Robik's D2. It's been pretty bad. He makes no useful points and just posts a bunch of crap. Unfortunately, that's my experience of his town play. He also has a pretty large filter and he's, from my understanding, a renowned pussy when he's mafia (I'm less sure of this honestly). There are a lot of points that vote both ways, but overall I think he's town, but I'd put that just barely. He found Robik's D1 enough to scumread him but townreads him cause his D2 is "bad enough" for him to be town. Ok. No influence on the read from what Robik did D1 that warranted him being scumread. LM--Has an apparent greencheck on him. Worth considering 90% accurate unless SL flips not blue, there's a CC or what not. I'm not sure why he puts so much weight into it as SL is quite ambiguous when talking about his stuff. Maybe I'm just being overly suspicious but a cop saying "let's talk scumreads and not this cop bullshit" doesn't look like a real cop and I want some hard confirmation first. | ||
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Vivax
22298 Posts
Will be back when suddenly everyone is in the thread again and it exploded in my absence. | ||
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KelsierSC
United Kingdom10443 Posts
I think the evidence is pretty ovewhelming at this point so I am going to give my case and vote. I made an early case on geript, so did palmar, and a few other people made real scum cases. He doesn't do anything but almost gives up and makes this nonsense vote on vivax. He is nearly lynched but then a whole bunch of randomers come out of nowhere and hop on a counter wagon that saves him and lynches bats. He then doesn't do anything substantial n1. after the night kills we see a huge early push on vivax with no one even considering other people. The night kills also perfectly incriminate viv. A few people seem to forget about geript and just say "oh he seemed a bit townier" He gets pressured by DrH but deflects for a long time with silly comments until eventually he gives this huge list post which contains a lot of rubbish and as viv points out a pretty large inaccuracy. This is the right lynch ##vote geript | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21171 Posts
"Here's a case on the only reasonable counterwagon, and if that doesn't suit you, X Y and Z townies should die too." Next time, Vivax. | ||
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justanothertownie
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On January 04 2015 23:56 Vivax wrote: However the high volume low content style still bothers me and all the stuff I mentioned still is sound in my memory so on the backburner for now. If you want me to even start reconsidering this lynch you need to stop posting dumb shit like this. Didn't you say yourself that I seem to always post like this as town? Then why the fuck is it bothering you. On January 05 2015 00:08 Vivax wrote: Marv might be mafia just based on filter size he should be around 20 at EoD 2. I don't want to hyperbolize this by bolding red but if you look at the parts I marked, don't you see how all of this doesn't seem to make sense? This post is better. Geripts line of thought here makes no sense to me. | ||
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justanothertownie
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sicklucker
Canada16987 Posts
I ask lazermonkey for his reads because their really important to me. Leaning scum on ksc now. He tried to brush off his cc as a joke but it was not. He should think im the cop. | ||
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justanothertownie
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On January 05 2015 01:00 sicklucker wrote: Vivax wtf is wrong with you. Discredit me when im trying to steer the lynch off you. I ask lazermonkey for his reads because their really important to me. Leaning scum on ksc now. He tried to brush off his cc as a joke but it was not. He should think im the cop. I took your claim as a joke too. KSC only played along. This is a really dumb reason to scumread him. | ||
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KelsierSC
United Kingdom10443 Posts
On January 05 2015 01:00 sicklucker wrote: Vivax wtf is wrong with you. Discredit me when im trying to steer the lynch off you. I ask lazermonkey for his reads because their really important to me. Leaning scum on ksc now. He tried to brush off his cc as a joke but it was not. He should think im the cop. Yeh you don't believe what you are saying. If he thinks your scum he can give his read , what is wrong with that | ||
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sicklucker
Canada16987 Posts
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justanothertownie
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On January 05 2015 01:06 sicklucker wrote: Na in my first game he did the same thing and got the cop killed on day 1. Its what he does, here hes lieing about it tho so hes probable mafia. When his scum read claims cop he doesint believe it and he counter claims theres legit meta here. Ill reread it but it looked pretty legit at the time. Yeah, but he was town in that game, wasn't he? So what is the point? | ||
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