On December 09 2014 07:42 LightningStrike wrote: Palmer for the present from any of them do they have to send it Day 1 or can they can send it any other Day?
Nvm I a idiot and didn't read the thing thoroughly. I answered my own question so don't worry yourself Palmer.
I just going to say let's figure out who can ruin Christmas the most :O Btw I will not be here from 5:30 to 8:15ish but when I do return I will give reads if there is any at the time!
I just got back and here my current reads Town: HF,Templar, OWS, Slam, Damdred, rsoultin, FF Null: 27ninja, HTS, Ritoky Scum: sicklucker sicklucker doesn't seem like he normal town self for this type of game with the post limit and he just throwing a lot of fluff more than anything trying to get the limit early I need more posts from 27ninja and Ritoky to confirm which side they on HTS doesn't seem like himself idk why I feel like that. As soon more people post in the game I will make more reads to add the people.
On December 09 2014 11:42 LightningStrike wrote: I just got back and here my current reads Town: HF,Templar, OWS, Slam, Damdred, rsoultin, FF, GB Null: 27ninja, HTS, Ritoky Scum: sicklucker sicklucker doesn't seem like he normal town self for this type of game with the post limit and he just throwing a lot of fluff more than anything trying to get the limit early I need more posts from 27ninja and Ritoky to confirm which side they on HTS doesn't seem like himself idk why I feel like that. As soon more people post in the game I will make more reads to add the people.
On December 09 2014 11:42 LightningStrike wrote: I just got back and here my current reads Town: HF,Templar, OWS, Slam, Damdred, rsoultin, FF, GB Null: 27ninja, HTS, Ritoky Scum: sicklucker sicklucker doesn't seem like he normal town self for this type of game with the post limit and he just throwing a lot of fluff more than anything trying to get the limit early I need more posts from 27ninja and Ritoky to confirm which side they on HTS doesn't seem like himself idk why I feel like that. As soon more people post in the game I will make more reads to add the people.
EBWOP Fixed
What's the read on GB based on, and slam too? Most people can't read slam at all especially day 1.
I looked GB past games and he seemed to town aligned this game and Slam isn't posting stuff like he did when he was scum in the Titanic Game.
Some people put their votes here too, everyone so far has voted in the other thread too.
Oh I just thought it would be cleaner to have all the votes in the voting thread that's all.
All the votes are. Here you get context. Sides, how do I let OWS know that he's failing badly if I don't vote him for trampled-by-shoppers-holiday-death?
Hit him with a stick But honestly if we lynch a town power role on Day 1 I will be extremely pissed because of my last 2 games....
On December 09 2014 11:42 LightningStrike wrote: I just got back and here my current reads Town: HF,Templar, OWS, Slam, Damdred, rsoultin, FF Null: 27ninja, HTS, Ritoky Scum: sicklucker sicklucker doesn't seem like he normal town self for this type of game with the post limit and he just throwing a lot of fluff more than anything trying to get the limit early I need more posts from 27ninja and Ritoky to confirm which side they on HTS doesn't seem like himself idk why I feel like that. As soon more people post in the game I will make more reads to add the people.
I am really interested in that read in particular. Please explain it. Also, don't really like how you devote 0 space to your town reads and all of your space to null and scum reads.
What's even stranger is that one of your town reads voted on another of your town reads right here:
you were here and actively responding to the thread and you tell him where to vote properly? why didn't you ask further into why he is reading him that way? especially when you have the OPPOSITE read for unexplained reasons. this just looks kinda fishy....i smell something funky brewing here boyz. your sicklucker read is on a guy who claimed his role and you didn't really state why you disbelieve his claim, then you waste time talking about null reads, then you give a bunch of unexplained town reads; many of which i am completely unclear on.
i really am not liking this guy.
OWS behavior is very similar to the game he was town when I was playing him on Campus Mafia when he had to replace someone. I wasn't aiming the 2nd question at anyone particular as I seen people trying to vote in this thread instead of the voting thread that was all. sicklucker been posting a lot more fluff than any games I played with him and he normally do some funky shenanigans to force people to make early reads awkward at best. Also I looked at your town games FF and we played on Campus as town together that why I got a town read on you.
Since people were asking for my explanation why certain people are town in my eyes here they are atm HF: He seemed to start a discussion and tried to move people in a town direction to get scum. Templar: He may have a silly story telling but inside it he seemed to be town but it just my inexperience playing with him that might fool me. OWS: I played with him once in Campus Mafia only and he had to replace someone and he seemed to post similar to how he replaced the person in that game. Slam: Slam posting is completely different when he played scum in Titanic Mafia so I confident he is town this game. Damdred: Damdred is also trying to lead the discussions with HF which normally a Scum wouldn't do so I got him on my list for that. rsoultin: Newer player to this site and only played with him once but he was town and he seemed to act the same way he did when he was town. FF: He doing similar shenanigans as he did in Campus Mafia when he was town when I played with him so I trust he is town atm. Now for my null reads 27ninja: Something seems fishy with him but I can't explain it but at the same time I cant put in town unless I get more posts from him. HTS: Doesn't seem like himself when he was townie in a game and I can't really put him on the scum atm because he might be more conservative for this game than in his last game. Ritoky: I never played with him before so I trying to still figure him out but he seemed to question more on people voting than leading anything. Now for my scumlist sicklucker: Normally sicklucker likes to do weird shenanigans to force everyones town read that are normally awkward and this game he doesn't seem to be doing that.
On December 09 2014 22:14 LoneMeow wrote: LightningStrike, a bunch of stuff has happened since you posted your list post with reads, care to share some updated reads with us now?
Well not much of my reads did change as I did read the thread from where we were last night compared to today and it been mostly the same stuff as why I given them their original reads
On December 09 2014 11:42 LightningStrike wrote: I just got back and here my current reads Town: HF,Templar, OWS, Slam, Damdred, rsoultin, FF Null: 27ninja, HTS, Ritoky Scum: sicklucker sicklucker doesn't seem like he normal town self for this type of game with the post limit and he just throwing a lot of fluff more than anything trying to get the limit early I need more posts from 27ninja and Ritoky to confirm which side they on HTS doesn't seem like himself idk why I feel like that. As soon more people post in the game I will make more reads to add the people.
I am really interested in that read in particular. Please explain it. Also, don't really like how you devote 0 space to your town reads and all of your space to null and scum reads.
What's even stranger is that one of your town reads voted on another of your town reads right here:
On December 09 2014 12:37 rsoultin wrote:
On December 09 2014 12:31 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
On December 09 2014 12:31 Holyflare wrote: You should hop on bunnies after reading my filter and be led to great victory
you were here and actively responding to the thread and you tell him where to vote properly? why didn't you ask further into why he is reading him that way? especially when you have the OPPOSITE read for unexplained reasons. this just looks kinda fishy....i smell something funky brewing here boyz. your sicklucker read is on a guy who claimed his role and you didn't really state why you disbelieve his claim, then you waste time talking about null reads, then you give a bunch of unexplained town reads; many of which i am completely unclear on.
i really am not liking this guy.
OWS behavior is very similar to the game he was town when I was playing him on Campus Mafia when he had to replace someone. I wasn't aiming the 2nd question at anyone particular as I seen people trying to vote in this thread instead of the voting thread that was all. sicklucker been posting a lot more fluff than any games I played with him and he normally do some funky shenanigans to force people to make early reads awkward at best. Also I looked at your town games FF and we played on Campus as town together that why I got a town read on you.
LS, bud, you're gonna make me push you again. Why you reading other games and not this thread? Plug in or butt out.
I been reading this game and other games because like half the people I not played with before and also I am town this game I will role claim if I have to.
On December 09 2014 22:14 LoneMeow wrote: LightningStrike, a bunch of stuff has happened since you posted your list post with reads, care to share some updated reads with us now?
Well not much of my reads did change as I did read the thread from where we were last night compared to today and it been mostly the same stuff as why I given them their original reads
Didn't you think anything of sicklucker's claim?
I did but it doesn't make sense though the way he acting though and when I played with him he was Vanilla town in the games I played with him when he had these weird shenanigans but I not seeing this game. This doesn't seem be the sicklucker I know.
On December 09 2014 22:26 LightningStrike wrote: FF: He doing similar shenanigans as he did in Campus Mafia when he was town when I played with him so I trust he is town atm.
Since we clearly disagree about Fecalfeast, would you comment on my quite opposite read on him? You don't find it strange at all that he's hardly mentioned the player he's voting at all?
On December 09 2014 22:26 LightningStrike wrote: Now for my scumlist sicklucker: Normally sicklucker likes to do weird shenanigans to force everyones town read that are normally awkward and this game he doesn't seem to be doing that.
Also, since you're still calling sicklucker your only scum read I assume you don't buy his claim?
How strong are these town reads? Can you put them in order from strongest to weakest? Would anything change if I told you to completely ignore meta and only make reads based on this game?
Strongest to Weakest in order HF Damdred OWS FF rsoultin Slam Templar Also I not buying sicklucker claim because he doesn't seem to be himself on making weird shenanigans early in the game which he does when he was Vanilla Town.
On December 09 2014 22:14 LoneMeow wrote: LightningStrike, a bunch of stuff has happened since you posted your list post with reads, care to share some updated reads with us now?
Well not much of my reads did change as I did read the thread from where we were last night compared to today and it been mostly the same stuff as why I given them their original reads
Oh really? well let's wait for your one scum read then
On December 09 2014 22:26 LightningStrike wrote: Since people were asking for my explanation why certain people are town in my eyes here they are atm HF: He seemed to start a discussion and tried to move people in a town direction to get scum. Templar: He may have a silly story telling but inside it he seemed to be town but it just my inexperience playing with him that might fool me. OWS: I played with him once in Campus Mafia only and he had to replace someone and he seemed to post similar to how he replaced the person in that game. Slam: Slam posting is completely different when he played scum in Titanic Mafia so I confident he is town this game. Damdred: Damdred is also trying to lead the discussions with HF which normally a Scum wouldn't do so I got him on my list for that. rsoultin: Newer player to this site and only played with him once but he was town and he seemed to act the same way he did when he was town. FF: He doing similar shenanigans as he did in Campus Mafia when he was town when I played with him so I trust he is town atm. Now for my null reads 27ninja: Something seems fishy with him but I can't explain it but at the same time I cant put in town unless I get more posts from him. HTS: Doesn't seem like himself when he was townie in a game and I can't really put him on the scum atm because he might be more conservative for this game than in his last game. Ritoky: I never played with him before so I trying to still figure him out but he seemed to question more on people voting than leading anything. Now for my scumlist sicklucker: Normally sicklucker likes to do weird shenanigans to force everyones town read that are normally awkward and this game he doesn't seem to be doing that.
your reads: HF- obvious read that everyone is making Templar - trying to noob claim OWS - meta Slam - meta in a game you didn't even play Damdred - fine enough rsoultin - meta FF - meta 27nb - non-committal HTS - meta ritoky - wait and see
and then there's sicklucker....you say he hasn't done weird shenanigans, but he literally HAS DONE THOSE THINGS. like this is just a straight lie. if you actually were following the thread you should have very clearly read that he did the things that you should have town read him for. that has clearly changed since your original post, so why hasn't your read?
like your reads are crap, they are primarily meta, they have 0 content, 1 is a straight up lie, and they are stagnant even though a whole lot has happened. i just really cannot believe that this is in any way a town perspective.
##vote: LightningStrike
I did also play with Slam 1 game when he was scum too that why I basing my reads on him being town from that game and on Titanic and the shenanigans sicklucker normally does isn't the type he doing atm.
On December 09 2014 22:26 LightningStrike wrote: FF: He doing similar shenanigans as he did in Campus Mafia when he was town when I played with him so I trust he is town atm.
Since we clearly disagree about Fecalfeast, would you comment on my quite opposite read on him? You don't find it strange at all that he's hardly mentioned the player he's voting at all?
On December 09 2014 22:26 LightningStrike wrote: Now for my scumlist sicklucker: Normally sicklucker likes to do weird shenanigans to force everyones town read that are normally awkward and this game he doesn't seem to be doing that.
Also, since you're still calling sicklucker your only scum read I assume you don't buy his claim?
How strong are these town reads? Can you put them in order from strongest to weakest? Would anything change if I told you to completely ignore meta and only make reads based on this game?
Strongest to Weakest in order HF Damdred OWS FF rsoultin Slam Templar Also I not buying sicklucker claim because he doesn't seem to be himself on making weird shenanigans early in the game which he does when he was Vanilla Town.
There are two things wrong with that last paragraph.
1) He claimed named VT, not regular VT. So maybe you shouldn't compare to a VT game. 2) His filter kind of does consist of shenanigans.
The shenanigans this game might just be him doing something different from the shenanigans he did in the last 2 games I played with him (Campus and Student) so it could be off because of that.
On December 09 2014 22:48 Half the Sky wrote: Ritoky, haven't gotten a chance to look thoroughly at too many people. Just took a pass at liancourt, spoiler posts are a bit nonsensical unless he's claiming snowman, but we need to see some reads for him soon otherwise he's going to fall very quickly into the lurker pile. Not good.
liancourt posts do seem a little odd but it just might be his meta that's all I can think of him.
On December 09 2014 22:48 Half the Sky wrote: Ritoky, haven't gotten a chance to look thoroughly at too many people. Just took a pass at liancourt, spoiler posts are a bit nonsensical unless he's claiming snowman, but we need to see some reads for him soon otherwise he's going to fall very quickly into the lurker pile. Not good.
liancourt posts do seem a little odd but it just might be his meta that's all I can think of him.
I havent played with u
how would u know my meta
Ur assuming things
And soft accusing me as scum by saying i m odd
totally mafiya traits lynch this scum
I not accusing you being scum I just found the behavior odd at best don't charge at me :O Also you did play in Titanic and did do similar traps in Titanic so for now Town read but low.
On December 09 2014 22:53 Xatalos wrote: Oh never mind, I missed this post. But how did you arrive at this from how you meta'd him to be town just minutes earlier?
I completely missed the ninja vote until Ritoky drew attention to it.
Honestly I have no idea what to think of Kush right now. I don't remember ever seeing his play being this nonsensical.
Student Mafia he did act the same way and was town but him claiming Scrooge seems like suicide if he really is Scrooge.
On December 09 2014 22:48 Half the Sky wrote: Ritoky, haven't gotten a chance to look thoroughly at too many people. Just took a pass at liancourt, spoiler posts are a bit nonsensical unless he's claiming snowman, but we need to see some reads for him soon otherwise he's going to fall very quickly into the lurker pile. Not good.
liancourt posts do seem a little odd but it just might be his meta that's all I can think of him.
I havent played with u
how would u know my meta
Ur assuming things
And soft accusing me as scum by saying i m odd
totally mafiya traits lynch this scum
I not accusing you being scum I just found the behavior odd at best don't charge at me :O Also you did play in Titanic and did do similar traps in Titanic so for now Town read but low.
If u read titantic then u shud know how i am playing is normal and not odd and yet u say its odd.
u even say i did similar traps and yet u say here that i am odd
And ur being defensive and taking a step back saying dont charge at me when i ve only given u the slighest of pressure.
Are u one of those mafiya that fall under the smallest pressure
Hey i found scum
I just found the play style odd because no one else do it don't hate me I also not mafia I am town I assure you.
On December 09 2014 22:48 Half the Sky wrote: Ritoky, haven't gotten a chance to look thoroughly at too many people. Just took a pass at liancourt, spoiler posts are a bit nonsensical unless he's claiming snowman, but we need to see some reads for him soon otherwise he's going to fall very quickly into the lurker pile. Not good.
liancourt posts do seem a little odd but it just might be his meta that's all I can think of him.
I havent played with u
how would u know my meta
Ur assuming things
And soft accusing me as scum by saying i m odd
totally mafiya traits lynch this scum
I not accusing you being scum I just found the behavior odd at best don't charge at me :O Also you did play in Titanic and did do similar traps in Titanic so for now Town read but low.
If u read titantic then u shud know how i am playing is normal and not odd and yet u say its odd.
u even say i did similar traps and yet u say here that i am odd
And ur being defensive and taking a step back saying dont charge at me when i ve only given u the slighest of pressure.
Are u one of those mafiya that fall under the smallest pressure
Hey i found scum
I just found the play style odd because no one else do it don't hate me I also not mafia I am town I assure you.
On December 09 2014 21:15 LoneMeow wrote: Fecalfeast
On December 09 2014 09:12 Fecalfeast wrote:
On December 09 2014 09:07 Alakaslam wrote:
On December 09 2014 09:03 Fecalfeast wrote:
On December 09 2014 08:59 Alakaslam wrote: Calvin, Calvin, calvin.
Boobs and full length high heels and Jesus was born in summer
Constant stream of nothing from you after already saying you're doing it for WIFOM. You'll run out of posts very soon at this rate.
Why are you fishing for marley specifically?
Thou'rt thick
あなたは既にルールを破って、リングの外に辞任した。なぜあなたはまだ戦うためにしようとしている
I thought being thick was a prerequisite for sumo.
"You are already breaking the rules , resigned to the outside of the ring . Why are trying to order you still fight"
No rules were established beforehand but if you don't want to fite I wont force you.
I was about to comment on the 27NB post but HF beat me to it. Her 'easy scum read' is in her scum pile because only scum is looking for easy scum reads...
This is the entirety of what he has had to say about 27ninjabunnies who I assume is his best scum read given where his vote is. Most of the filter after this point is setup talk, fluff and claiming talk.
Into the leaning scum pile you go.
You had opposite read, so clearly I'm wrong. Please point out why my analysis is incorrect.
FF plays very similar to his game on Campus where I thought he was scum but he wasn't. He also got some decent questions.
On December 09 2014 23:20 KelsierSC wrote: Ls can you tell me what shenanigans ff has done so far?
Trollish opening with him and Slam making some funny posts but he followed up later on questions on other people. I think he steering us back on track with HF although Damdred might just be sleeping right now but I think he will help steer us to a win.
On December 09 2014 23:26 Koshi wrote: LightningStrike,
Could you explain to the people who were not in Campus mafia, why you are towreading OWS and FF?
As town you should help others to form reads as well. It is not useful for us that you have a bunch of "I once played with this guy and after 5 posts in this game I can already see he plays similar to that one time I played with his so my conclusion is he is town". Reads like this doesn't convince me that OWS and FF are town. It doesn't convince anybody and just makes you look bad.
So can you spend 5-10 lines on why OWS and FF their play are similar to Campus mafia. And then add another 5 lines on why it is impossible that OWS and FF are mimicking their townplay as scum. Because I have played a ton of games with OWS already and the way he is playing atm he can easily pull off as scum.
OWS I might just be bias here but he had to replace KSC who acted scummy counter claiming my cop claim and he tried his best to make a town image in that game. I know he not posting a lot but I will look foward to seeing him post more to confirm my read plus it his play style as seen on Russia Today http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/471815-russia-today-mini-mafia?user=ObiWanShinobi
I stand firm on them being because their play styles is very similar currently are similar to their town style of play at the moment as seen in their filters of their town games I linked to their filter so I don't think they can be scum this game if they posted similar to their town play style that all I can say.
On December 09 2014 22:48 Half the Sky wrote: Ritoky, haven't gotten a chance to look thoroughly at too many people. Just took a pass at liancourt, spoiler posts are a bit nonsensical unless he's claiming snowman, but we need to see some reads for him soon otherwise he's going to fall very quickly into the lurker pile. Not good.
liancourt posts do seem a little odd but it just might be his meta that's all I can think of him.
I havent played with u
how would u know my meta
Ur assuming things
And soft accusing me as scum by saying i m odd
totally mafiya traits lynch this scum
I not accusing you being scum I just found the behavior odd at best don't charge at me :O Also you did play in Titanic and did do similar traps in Titanic so for now Town read but low.
If u read titantic then u shud know how i am playing is normal and not odd and yet u say its odd.
u even say i did similar traps and yet u say here that i am odd
And ur being defensive and taking a step back saying dont charge at me when i ve only given u the slighest of pressure.
Are u one of those mafiya that fall under the smallest pressure
Hey i found scum
I just found the play style odd because no one else do it don't hate me I also not mafia I am town I assure you.
Less assuring and more finding scum.
My read on Fecalfeast:
On December 09 2014 21:15 LoneMeow wrote: Fecalfeast
On December 09 2014 09:12 Fecalfeast wrote:
On December 09 2014 09:07 Alakaslam wrote:
On December 09 2014 09:03 Fecalfeast wrote:
On December 09 2014 08:59 Alakaslam wrote: Calvin, Calvin, calvin.
Boobs and full length high heels and Jesus was born in summer
Constant stream of nothing from you after already saying you're doing it for WIFOM. You'll run out of posts very soon at this rate.
Why are you fishing for marley specifically?
Thou'rt thick
あなたは既にルールを破って、リングの外に辞任した。なぜあなたはまだ戦うためにしようとしている
I thought being thick was a prerequisite for sumo.
"You are already breaking the rules , resigned to the outside of the ring . Why are trying to order you still fight"
No rules were established beforehand but if you don't want to fite I wont force you.
I was about to comment on the 27NB post but HF beat me to it. Her 'easy scum read' is in her scum pile because only scum is looking for easy scum reads...
This is the entirety of what he has had to say about 27ninjabunnies who I assume is his best scum read given where his vote is. Most of the filter after this point is setup talk, fluff and claiming talk.
Into the leaning scum pile you go.
You had opposite read, so clearly I'm wrong. Please point out why my analysis is incorrect.
FF plays very similar to his game on Campus where I thought he was scum but he wasn't. He also got some decent questions.
The meta again, sigh. What I really wanted you to do is comment on my read. According to you it must be wrong, so can you please explain what you disagree with in it?
Okay the setup talk after the post you had in your Quote on your read on FF was because he trying to get proof of sicklucker getting the present and baiting sicklucker to pass it to him which seems like a townie act for this setup or so I think. I don't think we know what present it is from in this set up but his intentions were town based at least I think it is town based. If he was scum he would know if it was from the Mass Murderer thus he wouldn't ask for that present from him that's all.
On December 09 2014 22:26 LightningStrike wrote: Since people were asking for my explanation why certain people are town in my eyes here they are atm HF: He seemed to start a discussion and tried to move people in a town direction to get scum. Templar: He may have a silly story telling but inside it he seemed to be town but it just my inexperience playing with him that might fool me. OWS: I played with him once in Campus Mafia only and he had to replace someone and he seemed to post similar to how he replaced the person in that game. Slam: Slam posting is completely different when he played scum in Titanic Mafia so I confident he is town this game. Damdred: Damdred is also trying to lead the discussions with HF which normally a Scum wouldn't do so I got him on my list for that. rsoultin: Newer player to this site and only played with him once but he was town and he seemed to act the same way he did when he was town. FF: He doing similar shenanigans as he did in Campus Mafia when he was town when I played with him so I trust he is town atm. Now for my null reads 27ninja: Something seems fishy with him but I can't explain it but at the same time I cant put in town unless I get mwore posts from him. HTS: Doesn't seem like himself when he was townie in a game and I can't really put him on the scum atm because he might be more conservative for this game than in his last game. Ritoky: I never played with him before so I trying to still figure him out but he seemed to question more on people voting than leading anything. Now for my scumlist sicklucker: Normally sicklucker likes to do weird shenanigans to force everyones town read that are normally awkward and this game he doesn't seem to be doing that.
I DID EXACTLY THIS. I dont think hes reading the thread boys. Let me catch up. I was about to say peoples early case on me was pretty good because of my meta and how I was playing but hes still voting for me so...
Was your present thing the Shenanigans because if so nice bait as last game.
On December 09 2014 22:26 LightningStrike wrote: FF: He doing similar shenanigans as he did in Campus Mafia when he was town when I played with him so I trust he is town atm.
Since we clearly disagree about Fecalfeast, would you comment on my quite opposite read on him? You don't find it strange at all that he's hardly mentioned the player he's voting at all?
On December 09 2014 22:26 LightningStrike wrote: Now for my scumlist sicklucker: Normally sicklucker likes to do weird shenanigans to force everyones town read that are normally awkward and this game he doesn't seem to be doing that.
Also, since you're still calling sicklucker your only scum read I assume you don't buy his claim?
How strong are these town reads? Can you put them in order from strongest to weakest? Would anything change if I told you to completely ignore meta and only make reads based on this game?
Strongest to Weakest in order HF Damdred OWS FF rsoultin Slam Templar Also I not buying sicklucker claim because he doesn't seem to be himself on making weird shenanigans early in the game which he does when he was Vanilla Town.
There are two things wrong with that last paragraph.
1) He claimed named VT, not regular VT. So maybe you shouldn't compare to a VT game. 2) His filter kind of does consist of shenanigans.
The shenanigans this game might just be him doing something different from the shenanigans he did in the last 2 games I played with him (Campus and Student) so it could be off because of that.
In game one we didnt even play together I was replaced day two and you were already dead. Also in that game I missed day one and your talking about day 1 meta.
I know technically we didn't play because I got lynched Day 1 before you replaced someone but your Day 1 from last game was mostly I was referring to.
On December 10 2014 00:28 batsnacks wrote: I'm about 8 pages behind but
I think lightning is scummy. Last game he was mafia and blatantly sheeped me. He's doing the same thing with obiwan this game.
I not sheeping anyone wtf I only asked OWS his thoughts and reads because he didn't post much of them yet but he said he will later. Whats wrong with me asking him a question?
On December 10 2014 00:28 batsnacks wrote: I'm about 8 pages behind but
I think lightning is scummy. Last game he was mafia and blatantly sheeped me. He's doing the same thing with obiwan this game.
I not sheeping anyone wtf I only asked OWS his thoughts and reads because he didn't post much of them yet but he said he will later. Whats wrong with me asking him a question?
Also Lonemeow and Koshi asked me why I put him and FF as town when most people weren't and I gave them my thoughts on why I thought they were town as seen here
On December 09 2014 23:26 Koshi wrote: LightningStrike,
Could you explain to the people who were not in Campus mafia, why you are towreading OWS and FF?
As town you should help others to form reads as well. It is not useful for us that you have a bunch of "I once played with this guy and after 5 posts in this game I can already see he plays similar to that one time I played with his so my conclusion is he is town". Reads like this doesn't convince me that OWS and FF are town. It doesn't convince anybody and just makes you look bad.
So can you spend 5-10 lines on why OWS and FF their play are similar to Campus mafia. And then add another 5 lines on why it is impossible that OWS and FF are mimicking their townplay as scum. Because I have played a ton of games with OWS already and the way he is playing atm he can easily pull off as scum.
OWS I might just be bias here but he had to replace KSC who acted scummy counter claiming my cop claim and he tried his best to make a town image in that game. I know he not posting a lot but I will look foward to seeing him post more to confirm my read plus it his play style as seen on Russia Today http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/471815-russia-today-mini-mafia?user=ObiWanShinobi
I stand firm on them being because their play styles is very similar currently are similar to their town style of play at the moment as seen in their filters of their town games I linked to their filter so I don't think they can be scum this game if they posted similar to their town play style that all I can say.
On December 09 2014 22:48 Half the Sky wrote: Ritoky, haven't gotten a chance to look thoroughly at too many people. Just took a pass at liancourt, spoiler posts are a bit nonsensical unless he's claiming snowman, but we need to see some reads for him soon otherwise he's going to fall very quickly into the lurker pile. Not good.
liancourt posts do seem a little odd but it just might be his meta that's all I can think of him.
I havent played with u
how would u know my meta
Ur assuming things
And soft accusing me as scum by saying i m odd
totally mafiya traits lynch this scum
I not accusing you being scum I just found the behavior odd at best don't charge at me :O Also you did play in Titanic and did do similar traps in Titanic so for now Town read but low.
If u read titantic then u shud know how i am playing is normal and not odd and yet u say its odd.
u even say i did similar traps and yet u say here that i am odd
And ur being defensive and taking a step back saying dont charge at me when i ve only given u the slighest of pressure.
Are u one of those mafiya that fall under the smallest pressure
Hey i found scum
I just found the play style odd because no one else do it don't hate me I also not mafia I am town I assure you.
Less assuring and more finding scum.
My read on Fecalfeast:
On December 09 2014 21:15 LoneMeow wrote: Fecalfeast
On December 09 2014 09:12 Fecalfeast wrote:
On December 09 2014 09:07 Alakaslam wrote:
On December 09 2014 09:03 Fecalfeast wrote:
On December 09 2014 08:59 Alakaslam wrote: Calvin, Calvin, calvin.
Boobs and full length high heels and Jesus was born in summer
Constant stream of nothing from you after already saying you're doing it for WIFOM. You'll run out of posts very soon at this rate.
Why are you fishing for marley specifically?
Thou'rt thick
あなたは既にルールを破って、リングの外に辞任した。なぜあなたはまだ戦うためにしようとしている
I thought being thick was a prerequisite for sumo.
"You are already breaking the rules , resigned to the outside of the ring . Why are trying to order you still fight"
No rules were established beforehand but if you don't want to fite I wont force you.
I was about to comment on the 27NB post but HF beat me to it. Her 'easy scum read' is in her scum pile because only scum is looking for easy scum reads...
This is the entirety of what he has had to say about 27ninjabunnies who I assume is his best scum read given where his vote is. Most of the filter after this point is setup talk, fluff and claiming talk.
Into the leaning scum pile you go.
You had opposite read, so clearly I'm wrong. Please point out why my analysis is incorrect.
FF plays very similar to his game on Campus where I thought he was scum but he wasn't. He also got some decent questions.
The meta again, sigh. What I really wanted you to do is comment on my read. According to you it must be wrong, so can you please explain what you disagree with in it?
Okay the setup talk after the post you had in your Quote on your read on FF was because he trying to get proof of sicklucker getting the present and baiting sicklucker to pass it to him which seems like a townie act for this setup or so I think. I don't think we know what present it is from in this set up but his intentions were town based at least I think it is town based. If he was scum he would know if it was from the Mass Murderer thus he wouldn't ask for that present from him that's all.
On December 10 2014 00:28 batsnacks wrote: I'm about 8 pages behind but
I think lightning is scummy. Last game he was mafia and blatantly sheeped me. He's doing the same thing with obiwan this game.
I not sheeping anyone wtf I only asked OWS his thoughts and reads because he didn't post much of them yet but he said he will later. Whats wrong with me asking him a question?
Your post on SL was pretty much a verbatim copy of OWS' post.
Really because I didn't see OWS post on but I saw FF but it led me to think sicklucker wasn't being himself but turns out his gift claim was to bait people. I guess town sicklucker was being sneakier with this set up stuff that's all.
On December 10 2014 00:28 batsnacks wrote: I'm about 8 pages behind but
I think lightning is scummy. Last game he was mafia and blatantly sheeped me. He's doing the same thing with obiwan this game.
I not sheeping anyone wtf I only asked OWS his thoughts and reads because he didn't post much of them yet but he said he will later. Whats wrong with me asking him a question?
Your post on SL was pretty much a verbatim copy of OWS' post.
Really because I didn't see OWS post on but I saw FF but it led me to think sicklucker wasn't being himself but turns out his gift claim was to bait people. I guess town sicklucker was being sneakier with this set up stuff that's all.
So you were copying FF, not OWS?
I wasn't copying FF I just got influenced by a post by FF on sicklucker not acting like himself and I decided to check it out that's all. I misread his Shenanigans this time that's all to it.
On December 10 2014 00:40 LightningStrike wrote: liancourt can you give me your reads and thoughts please because I would like to know what your reads are that's all.
On December 10 2014 00:28 batsnacks wrote: I'm about 8 pages behind but
I think lightning is scummy. Last game he was mafia and blatantly sheeped me. He's doing the same thing with obiwan this game.
I not sheeping anyone wtf I only asked OWS his thoughts and reads because he didn't post much of them yet but he said he will later. Whats wrong with me asking him a question?
Your post on SL was pretty much a verbatim copy of OWS' post.
Really because I didn't see OWS post on but I saw FF but it led me to think sicklucker wasn't being himself but turns out his gift claim was to bait people. I guess town sicklucker was being sneakier with this set up stuff that's all.
So you were copying FF, not OWS?
I wasn't copying FF I just got influenced by a post by FF on sicklucker not acting like himself and I decided to check it out that's all. I misread his Shenanigans this time that's all to it.
You were "influenced" by a lot of my posts last game when you were mafia. I've got my eye on you.
I only did it to frame you last game but I got no reason to frame FF or OWS this game when they didn't post much. I am not afraid to claim my role if I need to claim.
I just got back guys and I saw mostly discussion about GB although I do agree he didn't give much yet but I think we should wait till Day 2 to make a move on him since it's to early to tell for him. Also Damdred and Vivax have a decent point about ritoky but I not sold on him being scum just yet but rather someone who doesn't know my meta that's all I can say atm.
On December 10 2014 05:50 LightningStrike wrote: I just got back guys and I saw mostly discussion about GB although I do agree he didn't give much yet but I think we should wait till Day 2 to make a move on him since it's to early to tell for him. Also Damdred and Vivax have a decent point about ritoky but I not sold on him being scum just yet but rather someone who doesn't know my meta that's all I can say atm.
If that's how you feel about GB (meta or not) then what is your take on some of the others I described - FF, Liancourt, etc or anyone whom you interpret to be lacking direction or just have random posts? Do you know anything extra about them?
FF town but mainly random posting earlier but when he comes back we can tell much more. Liancourt I found him either a pain in the butt to everyone or a scum but I can't tell either way because his posts were lacking direction and some were entirely random which why I got a vote on him. ritoky just been tunneling me after my first reads and I know this is my 3rd game of TL Mafia so he could just trying to get me off easy since I a newish player but otherwise lacked any other direction posts that weren't about me. Could be possible scum or someone who doesn't know my meta.
On December 10 2014 09:28 27ninjabunnies wrote: Okay, I have only 33 posts made, so I'm good for now
WOOT MORE DEFENSE COMING UP!
Okay, So I think I'm just going to go through filters. So it seems there is a ritoky/FF omgus voting between them going on?
I see someone said ritoky has a case on FF, but FF do you have a case on Ritoky anywhere?
Also, as for LS, where is your mind with that Slam. You said he hasn't done anything townie, but has he done anything scumm in your eyes?
Also @Slam- my bf does want to start playing mafia. Lol, but I think Ima introduce him to video mafia first.... Ya'll slaughter people here in forum. haha
I was scum with Slam on Student and he was Scum on Titanic he not being as useless as those two games as he did tried to start a discussion after a bit of fluff posts and he tried to steer people in the right direction although he does think I'm scum but everyone got their opinions. @bats I tried to frame you in that game to save my scum team and I not sheeping anyone in this game although yes my post might of looked like OWS but I guess it just our posting style are similar and it was FF post about sicklucker got me to look at sicklucker although I misread his shenanigans this game and thought he was scum but now I think he is town.
On December 10 2014 09:28 27ninjabunnies wrote: Okay, I have only 33 posts made, so I'm good for now
WOOT MORE DEFENSE COMING UP!
Okay, So I think I'm just going to go through filters. So it seems there is a ritoky/FF omgus voting between them going on?
I see someone said ritoky has a case on FF, but FF do you have a case on Ritoky anywhere?
Also, as for LS, where is your mind with that Slam. You said he hasn't done anything townie, but has he done anything scumm in your eyes?
Also @Slam- my bf does want to start playing mafia. Lol, but I think Ima introduce him to video mafia first.... Ya'll slaughter people here in forum. haha
I was scum with Slam on Student and he was Scum on Titanic he not being as useless as those two games as he did tried to start a discussion after a bit of fluff posts and he tried to steer people in the right direction although he does think I'm scum but everyone got their opinions. @bats I tried to frame you in that game to save my scum team and I not sheeping anyone in this game although yes my post might of looked like OWS but I guess it just our posting style are similar and it was FF post about sicklucker got me to look at sicklucker although I misread his shenanigans this game and thought he was scum but now I think he is town.
Oh, that question was directed toward Slam as to why he thought you were scummy!
But thanks for answering. This helps with a read on you!
Ops I misread it and thought it was towards me my bad .
Okay Templar I forgot to answer your questions and I will answer now Within those stories there were reads, also possible questions for other players. Also you had some good questions trying to lead a discussion in this game for a bit so that why I town read you. Damdred is more of a meta reason why I think he is town because his posting is pretty similar how was in Student Mafia which I played with him. OWS again meta reasons that I think he town since his play seemed to mimic his town play on Russia Today game for his Day 1 stuff. I also changed my views on sicklucker after learning his shenanigans was the present claim I concluded that he is in fact his normal self for town which have mix of wacky shenanigans to force early town reads and some non sense it just how he is.
On December 10 2014 07:40 Fecalfeast wrote: Tubesack, null/town?: I'm not sure how I feel about a brand new player having such elaborate reads and checking other threads. On the one hand it's towny that he's trying so hard but on the other, I don't know if he's a natural tryhard or is getting a lot of help from a scum QT. If I had to read him without paranoia, he is town just because I'd never take notes as scum and I love playing scum.
On December 09 2014 12:43 LightningStrike wrote: I looked GB past games and he seemed to town aligned this game and Slam isn't posting stuff like he did when he was scum in the Titanic Game.
On December 09 2014 17:46 Fecalfeast wrote: Yeah LS is scummy as heck
It seems like the reasoning that leads you to believe tube is probably town isn't taken into account when evaluating LS. Why does it apply in one case, but not the other?
SILENCE EVERYBODY, THIS POST IS EXTREMELY RELEVANT.
HTS, bunnies, LS, Tube/anyone else in the thread currently. Do you guys feel this is noteworthy as well?
Okay, So I like FF post about Tubesack. But Im not sure how being a brand new player is alignment indicative. So what if he is elaborate? Has he played elsewhere? etc. Idk. just a weird fucking read.
Also is LS new too?
Either way, I don't think this post is extremely relevant, but I do want to hear more about FF read between LS and Tube, and why he is voting Ritoky over LS who he says is "Scummy as fuck"
This is my 3rd game on TL Mafia. My first one was Campus Mafia where I was a Cop and got lynched Day 1 due to me being a idiot on the counter claiming stuff from KSC who I still not forgiven him for that -.- My 2nd Game was Student Mafia where I was scum and sheeped bats to frame him for my team. Here are my filters for both of these games Campus Mafia:http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/469857-campus-mafia-new-newish-players-welcome?user=LightningStrike Student Mafia:http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/471489-student-mafia-iv-new-newish-players-welcome?user=LightningStrike Hope these filters can help you understand my meta.
On December 10 2014 07:40 Fecalfeast wrote: Tubesack, null/town?: I'm not sure how I feel about a brand new player having such elaborate reads and checking other threads. On the one hand it's towny that he's trying so hard but on the other, I don't know if he's a natural tryhard or is getting a lot of help from a scum QT. If I had to read him without paranoia, he is town just because I'd never take notes as scum and I love playing scum.
On December 09 2014 12:43 LightningStrike wrote: I looked GB past games and he seemed to town aligned this game and Slam isn't posting stuff like he did when he was scum in the Titanic Game.
On December 09 2014 17:46 Fecalfeast wrote: Yeah LS is scummy as heck
It seems like the reasoning that leads you to believe tube is probably town isn't taken into account when evaluating LS. Why does it apply in one case, but not the other?
SILENCE EVERYBODY, THIS POST IS EXTREMELY RELEVANT.
HTS, bunnies, LS, Tube/anyone else in the thread currently. Do you guys feel this is noteworthy as well?
Okay, So I like FF post about Tubesack. But Im not sure how being a brand new player is alignment indicative. So what if he is elaborate? Has he played elsewhere? etc. Idk. just a weird fucking read.
Also is LS new too?
Either way, I don't think this post is extremely relevant, but I do want to hear more about FF read between LS and Tube, and why he is voting Ritoky over LS who he says is "Scummy as fuck"
On December 10 2014 07:40 Fecalfeast wrote: Tubesack, null/town?: I'm not sure how I feel about a brand new player having such elaborate reads and checking other threads. On the one hand it's towny that he's trying so hard but on the other, I don't know if he's a natural tryhard or is getting a lot of help from a scum QT. If I had to read him without paranoia, he is town just because I'd never take notes as scum and I love playing scum.
On December 09 2014 12:43 LightningStrike wrote: I looked GB past games and he seemed to town aligned this game and Slam isn't posting stuff like he did when he was scum in the Titanic Game.
On December 09 2014 17:46 Fecalfeast wrote: Yeah LS is scummy as heck
It seems like the reasoning that leads you to believe tube is probably town isn't taken into account when evaluating LS. Why does it apply in one case, but not the other?
SILENCE EVERYBODY, THIS POST IS EXTREMELY RELEVANT.
HTS, bunnies, LS, Tube/anyone else in the thread currently. Do you guys feel this is noteworthy as well?
Okay, So I like FF post about Tubesack. But Im not sure how being a brand new player is alignment indicative. So what if he is elaborate? Has he played elsewhere? etc. Idk. just a weird fucking read.
I think you're missing the point of what I'm saying. I'm not asking if FF's post about tube is valid.
I'm asking why the same exact reasoning could apply to two players, yet he draws a town read on one and a scum read on the other.
I dont see how reasoning could be applied to two players.
Idk I think I might be missing something here.
He scum read me and town read tube if I recalled reading the thread earlier.
I think you're missing the point of what I'm saying. I'm not asking if FF's post about tube is valid.
I'm asking why the same exact reasoning could apply to two players, yet he draws a town read on one and a scum read on the other.
I know you're not really asking me, but I think it's more a judgement on good/bad play versus town/scum. FF hasn't decided how bad I am yet, he's already labelled LS bad. I know LS was D1 killed in 2 games one of which he was the cop and still claimed but while I was reading it, I thought his play was so scummy he fake claimed. (Course someone CC'd and really sealed his fate).
So, if I were in FF's shoe's I'd judge Tubesack town/scum, but then just dismiss LS completely.
This is what I'm doing basically, I think LS is a plynch. I'd rather find a scummy player than kill LS who's just as likely to flip town as not.
...you're judging yourself? In 2nd person? That's...different. Also I get the feeling you just said LS sucks at playing so should be ignored (at least for now). Is that more or less what you were driving at here?
@Templar mainly your reads on KSC because I would of policy lynch him for the shit he pulled in the Campus Mafia game when he counter claimed me on Cop and turns out he/OWs who replaced him after Day 2 or 3 was Town but now that he seems lurkier than his town game I played with him on Campus Mafia I do have a concern he possibly could be scum but I don't have enough evidence to confirm if he's scum or not. My stuff on sicklucker was from recent games no worries on that part of him Templar. Damdred was trying to get a Discussion going along with HF and I see that as towny because scum normally don't try to get a Discussion going and he led it towards town side, OWS case was similar to his Russia Today game which was only ended a week ago I think but it recent enough to not raise my alarm just yet unless there is something. The reason I didn't pull the trigger on KSC because I had little reads on him until your post about him in one of your many stories.
On December 09 2014 11:17 GlowingBear wrote: What is nl?
No likey?
Glowthebear. Slam and bats always town, or just special today? Dazzle me with glowing logic.
Uhm, I've never called them town?
I've called bats scum and slam only reveals himself as scum at later days. You won't have a read on him day one. Bats is scum for that wasted post on my entrance. Pointless and wishy washy (hey this guy is calling himself scum! Or color blind? Oh nevermind, SUDDEN REALISATION, BB code says blue)
Slam, you're scum because you haven't post any insights yet. Defend thyself.
Pffffffffffft Old tired claim
What is there to insee?
You tell me, bby.
I feel you don't like me, slam. Personally.
Hijole
It is too strange how I do this; since early childhood.
Understand I am as M2K (smash bros fame), I do not see the world as Ye do
But the awaited reads:
Felt very ill toward Kelsier's push to find Scrooge; he appropriately withdrew when I was brash, then saw more clearly with the eyes than I have seen in a while. He is town to me
27NB is hard to scumread for me now, I townreAd HF though
There is this Ritoky, I don't know what to make of him
I think Ff town
So on from there, GB is interesting. Claims bloo, but I think it jest and am intrigued by those who lauded it as a slip (for those exist not)
Wait a tic you claiming Scrooge and yet Kush claimed Scrooge too if I recalled from reading the thread earlier. One of you is lieing unless kush stopped the claim which I don't think he didn't.
On December 10 2014 12:22 LightningStrike wrote: Wait a tic you claiming Scrooge and yet Kush claimed Scrooge too if I recalled from reading the thread earlier. One of you is lieing unless kush stopped the claim which I don't think he didn't.
On December 11 2014 05:13 Koshi wrote: There are major signs that this is a town lynch. But what can we do?
It like me saying let's no lynch...... By the way guys the reason I not posted much this morning is because I got 4 pages in my filter and don't wait waste more posts after this one ofc. But I find it odd that Oatsmaster not really hunting for scum this game if he is town because the town Oatsmaster I know would be scum hunting already. I need to filter dive him after EoD if 27ninja gets lynched and if 27ninja is town then I will filter dive Oatsmaster really hard and if 27ninja is scum I might look at him still but not on the highest priority.
On December 11 2014 06:21 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Is that really a soft too?
Is there a role you didn't softclaim?
MY VIDEO WASNT A FUCKING SOFT
QUIT READING INTO THINGS THAT ARENT EVEN FUCKING THERE.
seriously
He's paranoid it's normal for him
How is the picture a soft if the video isn't?
Read the context when the video was posted
There wasn't any context. She just posted a video allegedly for no reason. People were confused and thought there was a reason, considering it was a video of a Christmas choir singing Christmas carols, but people were wrong. No context. No reason for posting the video. It was posted as is.
She said in that post it was here College Choir singing Chrismas Songs and one of them being Carol of the Bells I know ti was off topic but I thought it was a neat video.
I back and I going to start dumpster diving Oatsmasters ,and KSC's Filters right now I will give you the reads on these two because I smelling something fishy on Oatsmaster and was having a bad feeling for KSC since about the 2nd time he came back.
Okay Oatsmaster I got a Null read on him due to him not as much as he did on his town games but I guess the limit on the post number on each persons filter making try to conserve his posts a lot more than normal he did have some nice questions but he also made a weird call on Vivax being scum so idk what the true nature of his read on him is. KSC I got him scum right now since most of his posts were more fluff than anything and he didn't ask good questions except once towards me but he also had a I told you so attitude on the lynch of 27ninja before the lynch which one of the scum members in the Campus Mafia game said about me when I was getting lynched kind of tells me he is scum at this point.
Fair enough just keep it to yourself sicklucker and I think EoN is in 55 mins right now. So sicklucker what reads you got? Also what reads you got GlowingBear?
If anyone interested in comparing this game of Oatsmaster to his last town game here is his filter from the game that just ended http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/471489-student-mafia-iv-new-newish-players-welcome?user=Oatsmaster I know this seem like a random post but earlier in the thread I said I would filter dive Oatsmaster and got him null possible town and wanted to see anyone else can compare that game to this game and see if they are similar in anyway.
On December 12 2014 08:19 LightningStrike wrote: Sigh kush really was scrooge aftrall. Well I guess since scrooge is dead my role is useless T_T
Can you claim then? My whole plan today was to kill you if mafia didnt because you made it so blatantly obvious.
I am Ghost of Christmas Present as my role T_T Unless there is a second Scrooge my role is useless as crap except for voting. Also judging from the kills it seems like they got the Branch Manager and Mass Murderer in their scum roles.
On December 12 2014 08:19 LightningStrike wrote: Sigh kush really was scrooge aftrall. Well I guess since scrooge is dead my role is useless T_T
Can you claim then? My whole plan today was to kill you if mafia didnt because you made it so blatantly obvious.
I am Ghost of Christmas Present as my role T_T Unless there is a second Scrooge my role is useless as crap except for voting. Also judging from the kills it seems like they got the Branch Manager and Mass Murderer in their scum roles.
Ok I believe you but town should counter claim this since you were super defensive you were a role when votes started going your way and this role is not important.
It would of been Important had Scrooge not die Night 1 and unfortunately it happened T_T
I agree what you saying sicklucker because it makes perfect sense that 1 of the presents is in mafia hands and most of us had rito either on our null or our scum lists so it possible rito is scum at this point. The pros will outweigh the cons if we lynch him today.
On December 12 2014 07:29 LightningStrike wrote: If anyone interested in comparing this game of Oatsmaster to his last town game here is his filter from the game that just ended http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/471489-student-mafia-iv-new-newish-players-welcome?user=Oatsmaster I know this seem like a random post but earlier in the thread I said I would filter dive Oatsmaster and got him null possible town and wanted to see anyone else can compare that game to this game and see if they are similar in anyway.
Lightning: Definitely more involved in Student Mafia IV (the game just ended, so can talk more on that now) than he was this game and he rolled VT in that one. That game, I recall him and Bats going at it, I think he was at it with Vivax earlier in this game, but most of the posts appear anti-Vivax until the Xatalos case which I believe he said he didn't agree with anyhow. Thing is, I'm sure Oats has played more than 2 games, so do you have any normal games to work with from a meta standpoint?
Going to read all the filters of all who died if I can get any new insight, although some of the ones already cited I had scumlisted anyhow.
I will look into his town normal games and give you his filter from those town games so we get a bigger size to compare and contrast.
On December 12 2014 08:09 GlowingBear wrote: I'm gonna read this thread now. And I'm going to hammer mafai.
Btw, lynch ritoky. I gave him the present. But he claimed that he got the present at night, not caring for being roleblocked. Like, lol.
????? I got it at the change of phase, and claimed when I decided I was gonna open it????
what are you smoking? you should know that presents change hands at the end of day phase, it is both in the rules and i confirmed it with the mod lol.
The ability you earn can be roleblocked. I just thought you could use it night one instead of using it night 2.
It doesn't matter anyway, you just revealed to mafia that you have a role now, which makes no sense for a townie.
and opening something unknown that has a 1 in 3 chance to kill you (esp when you have a crap ton of kp) doesn't make much sense as mafia. i can wifom too broski
It's not WIFOM, rit. It's just looking through perspectives. I can't understand the psychology of a townie who decides to claim he is going to open the present he received. You don't die night one, then BAM! You obviously got a skill and will be killed/roleblocked night2 if you're town.
I can never see town doing that.
On December 12 2014 08:22 sicklucker wrote: Shit this is horrible I can confirm I sent dandred a present and thats probably why hes dead..
On December 12 2014 08:23 sicklucker wrote:
On December 12 2014 08:19 LightningStrike wrote: Sigh kush really was scrooge aftrall. Well I guess since scrooge is dead my role is useless T_T
Can you claim then? My whole plan today was to kill you if mafia didnt because you made it so blatantly obvious.
Naughty boys. Still reading Sicklucker Nice?
On December 10 2014 01:31 GlowingBear wrote: Lian, SL is town. Let him alone.
Decipher your suspicion here, please
Absolutely! Finally, someone who sees this as a credible threat. Because you are naughty.
GlowingBear you DEFEND Sicklucker with "Lian, SL is town. Let him alone." Yet, you are using plays on schemes and roles to discredit Ritoky and gain confusion. Tell me how Sicklucker is so Nice, you tell Lian to lay off. You defend Sicklucker and not just once but use what he's doing to go after a CONFIRMED Nice (RIP Damdred). Tell me why and how Sicklucker is NICE.
Honestly the present stuff from ritoky is to riskly to let him live today because he will be either roleblocked by scum or by town asumming both sides got a roleblocker to prevent him from using his present but to come forward and claiming he got a present and opened it is really dumb if he was town so more of a chance he is scum just a dumb town all I can say here. ##Vote ritoky
On December 13 2014 02:58 Half the Sky wrote: Tubesock, I know you have a load of crazy posts, but you at least answer
1) why you thought there was only 5 mafia (as far as I can tell you haven't really answered Templar's question) 2) your read on Vivax - you call him scum for suggesting the vig kill Alakaslam but don't have any further support?
Lightning, I read further on 3 of the links you gave on Oats, and while he is less involved this game generally speaking in comparison, what is bothering me more is that this game he's going off Froggy a second day for mostly null posts. D1 was acceptable as a pressure vote since I've seen this done in Student Mafia IV by other town, but today, we have 2-3 cases floating, a possible scumslip (Tubesock) and he's still going after a null at best.
It's concerning yes but you may want to look at his scum games I posted to compared his play this game to his scum play in other games to see if there is similarities to this game to his scum games. But for now I would prefer a rito lynch atm because of his present claim.
I just got home and I forgot to say I was going to be out until after EoD and I kind of figured KSC was scum but my case was weak vs him and the reason I voted for tube was because the scum slip after earlier he guessed 6 scum would be in this setup but then he said 5 confidently multiple times and his actions were really scummy in general. I just glad we got rid of 1 scum at least ^_^ I would shoot GB myself because honestly he all he was doing was yelling HF was scum and making a horrible case taking certain points out of context from HF's posts and I kind of tired of him yelling about the case.
The Templar I got a question for you Earlier in the thread you used a RNG thing to find scum and landed on KSC who turned out to be Mafia. No can you see if you can use another RNG and find the next scum?
On December 14 2014 12:56 sicklucker wrote: Sicklucker HolyFlare froggy. People I dont like that didnt vote keslier. People who should die or step it up
Fixed it for you.
Okay why the hell are you tunneling sicklucker so hard when he is confirmed town? You making yourself look worse by the post dude.....
I wont be here for EoN but Rito and the vig if we got one shoot the following people GlowingBear: Been trying to lynch HF since end of Day 1 and made a poor case of HF being scum Tubesock: Called me and sicklucker the most obvious town players mafia with little evidence and scum slipped earlier in the thread on how many mafia there is plus been acting scummy since Day 1. Oatsmaster: Totally off his game and wouldn't comment much at all and seemed scum because he normally would his points clear no matter what time of Day or Night to make sure a case is good and give clear direction which he didn't do this game.
I just got home and saw our Santa and Arnold dead and no one else killed. I did claim Ghost of Christmas Present for all of you guys start of Day 2. Anyone can claim Roleblocked so I not buying Rito's story about that. ##Vote Ritoky
On December 15 2014 11:56 LightningStrike wrote: I just got home and saw our Santa and Arnold dead and no one else killed. I did claim Ghost of Christmas Present for all of you guys start of Day 2. Anyone can claim Roleblocked so I not buying Rito's story about that. ##Vote Ritoky
why? you say you don't believe it, but why?
you also said you didn't want me alive last phase yet you ninja switched to tubesock without a word. why?
The scum slip from tubesock was my main reason. But also I wouldn't of been able to lynch you since everyone else wanted to keep you alive and felt tubesock was prob our best lynch until the KSC case came in from Tfrel while I was gone during the end part of Day 2 which I wasn't there for.
On December 15 2014 11:56 LightningStrike wrote: I just got home and saw our Santa and Arnold dead and no one else killed. I did claim Ghost of Christmas Present for all of you guys start of Day 2. Anyone can claim Roleblocked so I not buying Rito's story about that. ##Vote Ritoky
why? you say you don't believe it, but why?
you also said you didn't want me alive last phase yet you ninja switched to tubesock without a word. why?
The scum slip from tubesock was my main reason. But also I wouldn't of been able to lynch you since everyone else wanted to keep you alive and felt tubesock was prob our best lynch until the KSC case came in from Tfrel while I was gone during the end part of Day 2 which I wasn't there for.
why did you post-flip justify yourself, while you actually ninja-voted going along with thread sentiment.
also, it is very easy to say i would have done x. in hindsight, i would vote on scum every single time! see i can do it too.
I wasn't here when the case for KSC was brought by Tfrel was in and honestly it looked very convincing from my eyes. Also Oats definitely could be mafia because his votes on Vivax is strange when he town read him.
On December 15 2014 13:14 GlowingBear wrote: Why aren't you voting HF, LS?
The HF case doesn't look good in my eyes and he felt very townie to me that's all.
So why Tubesock?
Tubesock acted extremely scummy since Day 2 after the lynch of 27NB and the massacre of deaths of townies and changed his posting style completely not giving up on sicklucker and me being scum when we were clearly Town as I role claimed Ghost of Christmas Present and him scum slipping telling us that they were 5 mafias instead of the earlier guessed 6 earlier in the thread Here the post of the 6 mafias idea
On December 10 2014 00:10 Tubesock wrote: Holy Moses.
I didn't think I was such a slow reader but it's been hours and I feel I will never catch up to the thread while taking notes also. I'm trying to get reads, but they are conflicting with people who I feel are pretty freaking smart sounding. Namely, Koshi and Xata.
Koshi, since you are here can you tell me more about your HTS read? I feel I'm fairly null/town on her. Namely, I believe that Froggy's plynch statement isn't meaningful. Bunny latches and basically posts it's probably bad but she thinks it's ok. Then scum lists Froggy. Then several people jump on her and later Dam asks HTS about the Froggy/plynch read. HTS replies that it's null on his part but Bunnies scum listing is scummy. HTS doesn't seem to scumlist Froggy. Then a bunch more people argue (kelsierSC, Bats, Viv others). I'd like to know why I should elevate the signifigance of HTS's reads and downplay Bunny's?
Also I think people should read this more closely from the OP:
All the roles below can be present in the game, and no role has any sort of a guarantee that it exists in the game. There may for example be three Ghosts of Christmas Yet To Come, no other Ghosts and no Scrooge, yet Marley might be present. In the same sense, there may be Disgruntled Christmas Workers without any Santas or Branch Managers. There may also be multiple instances of the same role.
It appears that given bad enough RNG we could have 6 Marlows, or 6 Mass Murderers, or 0.
Which makes me wonder why we had a Scrooge claim?? It makes me wonder if any claims will matter as we can have multiples...so why not counterclaim?
Here the post of his scum slip of saying 5 instead QUOTE]On December 12 2014 10:37 Tubesock wrote:
On December 12 2014 09:53 Alakaslam wrote:
##kelsierSC
Yes
YES.
He is of the 5.[/QUOTE]
Here is him assuring it's 5 mafias QUOTE]On December 12 2014 11:41 Tubesock wrote:
On December 12 2014 11:16 The_Templar wrote: Not seeing Kelsier being mafia unless someone points out why. His cases make sense and he's putting in some effort, but I haven't read the thread carefully.
I don't like LS, as he was 'passively' blue hunting and hasn't really done much besides link people's metas in an attempt to look helpful. He did claim a role though...
Oooh let's dance. GB, Slick, and now YOU are here to "pressure" and with your buddy KelsierSC on the wagon.
4 of 5. Is it my 5 or the games 5? Does it matter? No. Oh, wait, you are here to pressure me as your naughty friend Sicklucker's silly ##Vote: Tubesock didn't work. 5 of 5, 5 of mine or the games? Now does it matter? No.
Put in some effort. Defend KelsierSC or sink him now. The choice is yours. Distance or closeness. Answer that, should be easy, there is A LOT of content. Then we have a dance. I'll be here. When's your next "test"? How long you here? Huh, you here for 1 response or sticking around to REALLY DIG FOR SOME SCUM????
[/QUOTE] When KSC did flipped KSC flipped scum and he did say KSC was 1 out of 5 So clearly he got to be mafia at this point which is why I voting for him right now.
On December 15 2014 13:14 GlowingBear wrote: Why aren't you voting HF, LS?
The HF case doesn't look good in my eyes and he felt very townie to me that's all.
So why Tubesock?
Tubesock acted extremely scummy since Day 2 after the lynch of 27NB and the massacre of deaths of townies and changed his posting style completely not giving up on sicklucker and me being scum when we were clearly Town as I role claimed Ghost of Christmas Present and him scum slipping telling us that they were 5 mafias instead of the earlier guessed 6 earlier in the thread Here the post of the 6 mafias idea
On December 10 2014 00:10 Tubesock wrote: Holy Moses.
I didn't think I was such a slow reader but it's been hours and I feel I will never catch up to the thread while taking notes also. I'm trying to get reads, but they are conflicting with people who I feel are pretty freaking smart sounding. Namely, Koshi and Xata.
Koshi, since you are here can you tell me more about your HTS read? I feel I'm fairly null/town on her. Namely, I believe that Froggy's plynch statement isn't meaningful. Bunny latches and basically posts it's probably bad but she thinks it's ok. Then scum lists Froggy. Then several people jump on her and later Dam asks HTS about the Froggy/plynch read. HTS replies that it's null on his part but Bunnies scum listing is scummy. HTS doesn't seem to scumlist Froggy. Then a bunch more people argue (kelsierSC, Bats, Viv others). I'd like to know why I should elevate the signifigance of HTS's reads and downplay Bunny's?
Also I think people should read this more closely from the OP:
On December 04 2014 19:32 Palmar wrote:
Setup Information
All the roles below can be present in the game, and no role has any sort of a guarantee that it exists in the game. There may for example be three Ghosts of Christmas Yet To Come, no other Ghosts and no Scrooge, yet Marley might be present. In the same sense, there may be Disgruntled Christmas Workers without any Santas or Branch Managers. There may also be multiple instances of the same role.
It appears that given bad enough RNG we could have 6 Marlows, or 6 Mass Murderers, or 0.
Which makes me wonder why we had a Scrooge claim?? It makes me wonder if any claims will matter as we can have multiples...so why not counterclaim?
Here the post of his scum slip of saying 5 instead
On December 12 2014 11:16 The_Templar wrote: Not seeing Kelsier being mafia unless someone points out why. His cases make sense and he's putting in some effort, but I haven't read the thread carefully.
I don't like LS, as he was 'passively' blue hunting and hasn't really done much besides link people's metas in an attempt to look helpful. He did claim a role though...
On December 12 2014 10:37 Tubesock wrote:
On December 12 2014 09:53 Alakaslam wrote:
##kelsierSC
Yes
YES.
He is of the 5.
5? Not 6? Please explain why you said 5 ##Vote
Oooh let's dance. GB, Slick, and now YOU are here to "pressure" and with your buddy KelsierSC on the wagon.
4 of 5. Is it my 5 or the games 5? Does it matter? No. Oh, wait, you are here to pressure me as your naughty friend Sicklucker's silly ##Vote: Tubesock didn't work. 5 of 5, 5 of mine or the games? Now does it matter? No.
Put in some effort. Defend KelsierSC or sink him now. The choice is yours. Distance or closeness. Answer that, should be easy, there is A LOT of content. Then we have a dance. I'll be here. When's your next "test"? How long you here? Huh, you here for 1 response or sticking around to REALLY DIG FOR SOME SCUM????
When KSC did flipped KSC flipped scum and he did say KSC was 1 out of 5 So clearly he got to be mafia at this point which is why I voting for him right now. Fixed formatting.
On December 15 2014 13:36 GlowingBear wrote: If we lynch holyflare and he flips mafia, I'll have all the information I need to hammer the scum team. Please lynch HF today.
GB Null at best for me his wanting to lynch HF so bad and his case for it is meh at best in my opinion and his endless shouting for his lynching just annoyed me a lot because I town reading HF also notice that GB did all this when HF couldn't defend himself because of the post limit? It could mafia action but I got no good case of GB just yet.
On December 15 2014 13:48 LightningStrike wrote: GB Null at best for me his wanting to lynch HF so bad and his case for it is meh at best in my opinion and his endless shouting for his lynching just annoyed me a lot because I town reading HF also notice that GB did all this when HF couldn't defend himself because of the post limit? It could mafia action but I got no good case of GB just yet.
What do you think of GB giving me the present?
Why you think it was GB that gave you the present? If he really did it seemed odd to not give it to me or sicklucker because we were pretty much confirmed town Day 1 but your claim of the present was dumb if you are town and should of been more quiet about it that's all.
I think we have a roleblock in mafia and in town it would be a small chance of that happening and that why we got so few kills last night. There is no medic our set up but we got a roleblock who can save a person life in Nigella Lawson who roleblock and prevents people from dieing when she roleblocks people. There is chance we got her in our power roles left and mafia could have a Patronising Prick who just roleblocks.
On December 15 2014 23:18 LightningStrike wrote: I think we have a roleblocker in mafia and in town it would be a small chance of that happening and that why we got so few kills last night. There is no medic our set up but we got a roleblock who can save a person life in Nigella Lawson who roleblock and prevents people from dieing when she roleblocks people. There is chance we got her in our power roles left and mafia could have a Patronising Prick who just roleblocks.
On December 15 2014 23:18 LightningStrike wrote: I think we have a roleblock in mafia and in town it would be a small chance of that happening and that why we got so few kills last night. There is no medic our set up but we got a roleblock who can save a person life in Nigella Lawson who roleblock and prevents people from dieing when she roleblocks people. There is chance we got her in our power roles left and mafia could have a Patronising Prick who just roleblocks.
We've already made that conclusion :p
I was just stating since obviously I didn't see anyone make the conclusion but like I said it's possible but like 1 in a million both scum and town got a roleblocker.
On December 15 2014 23:18 LightningStrike wrote: I think we have a roleblock in mafia and in town it would be a small chance of that happening and that why we got so few kills last night. There is no medic our set up but we got a roleblock who can save a person life in Nigella Lawson who roleblock and prevents people from dieing when she roleblocks people. There is chance we got her in our power roles left and mafia could have a Patronising Prick who just roleblocks.
We've already made that conclusion :p
I was just stating since obviously I didn't see anyone make the conclusion but like I said it's possible but like 1 in a million both scum and town got a roleblocker.
Huh? You think it's unlikely??? So you think ritoky is mafia and lying about being rb'd then?
HE could be lieing yes I said earlier that anyone can claim roleblock but my reason was because in Campus Mafia one of the Mafia claimed roleblock a few times in the game. Just my experience from 1 of the 2 games I played before this one.
Guys I think the Mass Murderer is out of bullets because he will be given only 2 bullets to try to kill people and since there is no refund in bullets if I recalled reading the role description it's only going to be 1 death per night now so we got some time to figure out who is scum but we still under pressure though to get out some scum members to make connections on the remaining scum members thus we win the game as town.
On December 16 2014 03:44 LightningStrike wrote: Guys I think the Mass Murderer is out of bullets because he will be given only 2 bullets to try to kill people and since there is no refund in bullets if I recalled reading the role description it's only going to be 1 death per night now so we got some time to figure out who is scum but we still under pressure though to get out some scum members to make connections on the remaining scum members thus we win the game as town.
You are misinterpreting KP. Default is 2KP - 2 scum faction kills. MM/Marley/BM/etc is additional KP.
Oh my bad on misinterpreting the KP stuff man this is going to be hard as hell T_T
On December 16 2014 03:44 LightningStrike wrote: Guys I think the Mass Murderer is out of bullets because he will be given only 2 bullets to try to kill people and since there is no refund in bullets if I recalled reading the role description it's only going to be 1 death per night now so we got some time to figure out who is scum but we still under pressure though to get out some scum members to make connections on the remaining scum members thus we win the game as town.
Mafia KP formula is: 2KP
Each mafia player can only deliver one bullet, so in practice it drops to one when 1 mafia remains.
?
The formula wrecked me hard T_T Also Xatlos and HTS since you guys are here what roles you think Mafia got and why?
On December 16 2014 04:04 LightningStrike wrote: I got GB null leaning scum but I would rather lynch Tubesock right now read my thing on him earlier on why.
Yeah I agree that he doesn't seem to pay much attention and the slips are disturbing. What's holding me back is his crazy posting streak before deadline... It'd be hard for a beginner scum to post like that.
If I was scum and was teamed with him I would of helped him make his posts before the deadline to make him not so scummy but that just my thoughts on it.
On December 15 2014 12:51 GlowingBear wrote: Ritoky, did you waste your bullet? If yes, who did you try to shoot?
I had to shoot, at least how I read the present info was that there was no holding it for another night allowed.
As for claiming who I tried to shoot, I am going to wait a little bit longer for that; interested in what a couple people have to say.
We're you notified?
of what? i was notified that my attempt to kill failed. i assumed it was due to RB, because i sincerely doubt any1 would protect who i tried to shoot. it did not say specifically RB tho
This is your slip since you wouldn't of been notified unless you are scum trying to kill someone. Tube's slip
On December 15 2014 15:47 Holyflare wrote: I also sent my present out yesterday. Happy birthday.
My birthday is December 15th. HF saw my icon change, I hope others did too. Just for the record, I will never open a present, I will pass it on. Should I die in the night, it will not be due to a death present.
There wasn't much reason to post for me as the wagon was on Holyflare. It needs to go back there or to one of my other suspects. In case you forgot:
Here are the Two people wouldn't mind lynching ritoky for his slip. Tubesock who not only slipped but claimed to gotten a present so out of those whoever got the bigger train I will go with since I am more then willing to lynch them.
On December 16 2014 03:44 LightningStrike wrote: Guys I think the Mass Murderer is out of bullets because he will be given only 2 bullets to try to kill people and since there is no refund in bullets if I recalled reading the role description it's only going to be 1 death per night now so we got some time to figure out who is scum but we still under pressure though to get out some scum members to make connections on the remaining scum members thus we win the game as town.
Na he has one bullet left which means hes condifent hes not going to day. Your just repeating stuff stay away from this stuff ;p
Okay are you sure he didn't use his Weapon last night?
On December 16 2014 08:25 The_Templar wrote: Wait wait wait, so Tubesock is saying that Holyflare, who is town, is giving Tubesock, who is mafia, a present?
Fixed based on the majority thinking of the situation.
On December 16 2014 22:08 Xatalos wrote: ritoky just needs to flip at this point. The chance for him to be town after all these lies and backtracks is very low.
I agree with the GB case with the exception of his required time to come up with the case. I don't think that's particularly indicative of anything. By the way, it's a good point that his stances have changed a lot and quite weirdly too (for example on you, rsoultin... It does look like sheeping sentiment.)
Vivax, how do you come to the conclusion that someone who has effectively claimed scum should get more time?
rsoultin just made a case on GB a couple posts ago for next Day lynch. How you feel about the case rsoultin made for GB lynch for next Day lynch?
On December 16 2014 22:08 Xatalos wrote: ritoky just needs to flip at this point. The chance for him to be town after all these lies and backtracks is very low.
I agree with the GB case with the exception of his required time to come up with the case. I don't think that's particularly indicative of anything. By the way, it's a good point that his stances have changed a lot and quite weirdly too (for example on you, rsoultin... It does look like sheeping sentiment.)
Vivax, how do you come to the conclusion that someone who has effectively claimed scum should get more time?
rsoultin just made a case on GB a couple posts ago for next Day lynch. How you feel about the case rsoultin made for GB lynch for next Day lynch?
I mean the After today's lynch in case you didn't read it right because my wording of it was bad.
On December 16 2014 22:08 Xatalos wrote: ritoky just needs to flip at this point. The chance for him to be town after all these lies and backtracks is very low.
I agree with the GB case with the exception of his required time to come up with the case. I don't think that's particularly indicative of anything. By the way, it's a good point that his stances have changed a lot and quite weirdly too (for example on you, rsoultin... It does look like sheeping sentiment.)
Vivax, how do you come to the conclusion that someone who has effectively claimed scum should get more time?
rsoultin just made a case on GB a couple posts ago for next Day lynch. How you feel about the case rsoultin made for GB lynch for next Day lynch?
Read the post you quoted or my earlier post (TLDR: agreed).
I didn't read it carefully on your post T_T I think the case is very solid from rsoultin and if ritoky doesn't get lynched today(unlikely) I would go for GB or Tubesock but more on GB since the GB case is much better than my stuff for Tubesock.
On December 16 2014 15:48 rsoultin wrote: GlowingBear...Stubborn or Anti-Xmas???
- He made several unexplained reads throughout the game (however a few, not all, were explained after he was pressed for reasons, i.e. me and SL) I can see early gut reads, but not later into the game, and not to this extent.Its true I don't like his lists. I also don't like how he's essentially claimed red (after perhaps mistakenly claiming blue) and yet is not dead yet. I don't really see town motivatio for claiming blue red even as a joke + Show Spoiler +
On December 09 2014 09:30 KelsierSC wrote: So i think fecal is scum, we played a game together as town and early game he was very try hard, essentially Kush made a set up/mechanics comment and fecal went back to the setup, worked through all the permutations and then asked Kush to explain. Super town super eager.
this game i make a set up comment, then retract it and ff doesn't bat n eyelid. All he does is talk to slam about sumo. Which is pretty pointless. Like "herez an excuse nit to scumhunt" it doesn't feel towny at all
I don't expect you to have read my other town games but I've gotten exponentially worse as town.
GB do you have a comment on the current votes or discussion?
Nope because I didn't read anything from the thread. Because I'm bored.
Do you?
I am town GB, but i am unable to give you a present currently if you are good i can share one of my many toys later on as when i was a child i was taught to share if i get one that is.
You should really read the thread and are you blue gb seirously/
HMMM
I see.
I may want to lynch damdred after this.
Don't ask me why
On December 09 2014 12:01 GlowingBear wrote: K gonna sleep
SL is town rsoultin is town Bats is scummy
I'm going to lynch kush if I don't see his town tell.
On December 10 2014 00:11 Holyflare wrote: 2 people haven't posted in this game at all yet, useful -.-
Oats, your post on vivax is wrong and your post refuting that wasn't in any english I could understand.
Ls looks not bad to me, dunno why people are hating on him giving all the meta when loads of other people do the same. Ritoky seems angry for some reason because of this??
Obi still being useless, just because he was useless last game (russian) as town doesn't stop him being able to be useless this game as mafia. It just means he's useless which increases the odds of him being mafia.
Kush.. Meh will resolve itself i think
Gb hasn't really done anything but hasn't done anything outrageously wrong like I'd expect him to as town but his picking on solely koshi and like nothing else is wearing thin and is pretty scummy
I dunno feel kinda iffy about hts after reading the things about kush feels a bit too flippant
New list oats, obi, (gb?) bunnies Mehhhhbe/mehhhhbe not: hts, kush
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
THAT'S MEAN.
But for some reason, it makes me town read you.
On December 10 2014 10:53 GlowingBear wrote: Cool, townslam.
I think this game is going to be easy.
On December 12 2014 01:09 GlowingBear wrote: Koshi is mafia, c'mon.
Do I have a post count in my filter or I have to count one by one?
On December 13 2014 03:52 GlowingBear wrote: Bats is town.
This game is getting easier.
- He delayed or completely failed to make reads most of the game (I don't think anyone can forget how long it took him to make his HF case.) I can't really talk as I haven't explained my reads much. The only thing I can add is that I find it more scummy for someone to be involved in the thread yet not being constructive/being disruptive than someone who is generally afk + Show Spoiler +
On December 11 2014 11:58 GlowingBear wrote: I'm gonna be warned if I keep posting. Ritoky is probably mafia.
I'll only post once this night with updates reads. Expect a big post.
On December 12 2014 22:10 GlowingBear wrote: I want to read more of the thread before making a case on HF, but a lot of his reasoning is off. The lack of push on ritoky's present claim, the multiple scumreads of wagons outside the 27nb wagon and the 27nb mislynch is all playing against him.
His entrance in this game is awful, he picking on bunnies for being contradictory when picking up on frogs awful entrance but not picking on Vivax post on frog... This kind of double standards worries me.
- The "recipient" of GBs "present" was being scumread by GB all through Night 1, until apparently he decided that HF must be scum therefore ritoky wasn't, and when questioned afterwards why he would give a "present" to possible scum, he responds that his read was "null" At the time of the gift-giving? I saw no reads from GB on ritoky before the one demanding he be lynched.: I think this is bad logic rather than scummy per se. I feel this reinforces possibility of GB scum Rit somehow town + Show Spoiler +
On December 12 2014 05:52 GlowingBear wrote: lynch ritoky tomorrow Bye
On December 12 2014 08:09 GlowingBear wrote: I'm gonna read this thread now. And I'm going to hammer mafai.
Btw, lynch ritoky. I gave him the present. But he claimed that he got the present at night, not caring for being roleblocked. Like, lol.
On December 12 2014 08:09 GlowingBear wrote: I'm gonna read this thread now. And I'm going to hammer mafai.
Btw, lynch ritoky. I gave him the present. But he claimed that he got the present at night, not caring for being roleblocked. Like, lol.
????? I got it at the change of phase, and claimed when I decided I was gonna open it????
what are you smoking? you should know that presents change hands at the end of day phase, it is both in the rules and i confirmed it with the mod lol.
The ability you earn can be roleblocked. I just thought you could use it night one instead of using it night 2.
It doesn't matter anyway, you just revealed to mafia that you have a role now, which makes no sense for a townie.
and opening something unknown that has a 1 in 3 chance to kill you (esp when you have a crap ton of kp) doesn't make much sense as mafia. i can wifom too broski
It's not WIFOM, rit. It's just looking through perspectives. I can't understand the psychology of a townie who decides to claim he is going to open the present he received. You don't die night one, then BAM! You obviously got a skill and will be killed/roleblocked night2 if you're town.
On December 14 2014 03:37 GlowingBear wrote: Make a case on me. You're calling me scum multiple times for things that doesn't make me scum. I want you to say mafias motivation for things you call me scum for.
I've made my case on you multiple times GB. Unlike you I am not under scrutiny. I've explained what I think and why I think it. As for the gut feel that is contributing to it...what have you really done for town? Falsely brought up mass-claiming like that would be helpful. A bunch of jokes. A bunch of partial reads you have to be prodded on. Many promises you fail to carry out. (Your HF case is still unfinished.) Ritoky you were pressuring a little until others started...which, if you're town, why are you pressuring the guy you think is town (cause you're not going to send anything to mafia as town) then flip right back onto HF as soon as others start pressuring Ritoky? There's something wrong about how you're playing, and the scenario with both you and Ritoky as scum works. It is ballsy like Xata said...but assuming that mafia would never play ballsy...lol. If this is the way town thinks, that's the perfect way for mafia to play. Either way its WIFOM as shit.
You're so focused on this matter that you fail to properly evaluate what I've brought for holyflare. What do you think of the case? Of the arguments? Why do you think mafia would make a case on one of the strongest players in the game? Do you see ANY mafia motivation behind it?
I thought ritoky was mafia. I reevaluated it after putting more thought on it, mostly when I've realised HF is sure to be scum.
I'm saying people are town based on gut feelings and probability. I have experience with some players here and I feel comfortable after I see some patterns. Like batsnacks, his townplay is like this. Slam also. It's hard to explain why, because it's more of a feeling than logical reads.
I've townread you for the way you evaluated the present thing on sicklucker. I'm still reading you as town. I want you to get out of the tunnel you're currently in.
On December 14 2014 03:37 GlowingBear wrote: Make a case on me. You're calling me scum multiple times for things that doesn't make me scum. I want you to say mafias motivation for things you call me scum for.
I've made my case on you multiple times GB. Unlike you I am not under scrutiny. I've explained what I think and why I think it. As for the gut feel that is contributing to it...what have you really done for town? Falsely brought up mass-claiming like that would be helpful. A bunch of jokes. A bunch of partial reads you have to be prodded on. Many promises you fail to carry out. (Your HF case is still unfinished.) Ritoky you were pressuring a little until others started...which, if you're town, why are you pressuring the guy you think is town (cause you're not going to send anything to mafia as town) then flip right back onto HF as soon as others start pressuring Ritoky? There's something wrong about how you're playing, and the scenario with both you and Ritoky as scum works. It is ballsy like Xata said...but assuming that mafia would never play ballsy...lol. If this is the way town thinks, that's the perfect way for mafia to play. Either way its WIFOM as shit.
You're so focused on this matter that you fail to properly evaluate what I've brought for holyflare. What do you think of the case? Of the arguments? Why do you think mafia would make a case on one of the strongest players in the game? Do you see ANY mafia motivation behind it?
I thought ritoky was mafia. I reevaluated it after putting more thought on it, mostly when I've realised HF is sure to be scum.
I'm saying people are town based on gut feelings and probability. I have experience with some players here and I feel comfortable after I see some patterns. Like batsnacks, his townplay is like this. Slam also. It's hard to explain why, because it's more of a feeling than logical reads.
I've townread you for the way you evaluated the present thing on sicklucker. I'm still reading you as town. I want you to get out of the tunnel you're currently in.
I've already responded to your case GB. Your town reads I'm not arguing with, in a general sense. Your points aren't very strong to me. Sorry. I did consider them. An entrance post and a different read on 27nb than vivax doesn't scream scum to me. I feel like you're mostly basing your HF read on the fact that he wasn't killed first night, and going from there. I'm not the only one with tunnel vision.
Yet I am willing to back off you for now to pursue another possible scum, so...-shrugs- We could both be town firing away erroneously, but I still don't think so. I don't understand town giving someone they think is mafia a present, dude...you should want to give it to one of your strongest town reads. You yourself have made this point multiple times.
Anyway, Trfel. What do you think of that push since we're probably not going to agree on this.
Dude, I gave it to someone I thought was null at the time and that I can't properly read, so, if he was town, he would have a power and if he dies, it doesn't matter because it's less one in the game I can't read.
I was going to change the target but I couldn't make it until deadline. That's why my vote is wasted.
By the way, STOP VOTING TUBESOCK BECAUSE HE IS TOWN
- Relentlessly tunnels HF for weak reasons, beginning with the simple observation that HF is still alive after N1. More curiously, the amazing "case"? All points he brought up beforehand. Amazing how long it took him to build it. Also note the weakness of this case. He cites 1) an entrance 2) responding differently to people town/null reading froggynoddy's entrance where it's clear that Vivax is calling his read null and 27nb's response is less clear 3)looking into wasted votes as if doing so automatically means that HF considers those voters scum, and someone town-aligned never would pay attention to the votes outside the train 4)a null-leaning town read on froggynoddy who HF never called scum during the game somehow being contradictory 5) HFs read on GB being contradictory because "spreading falsities" should apparently be in the same camp as doing something "outrageously wrong" and make GB a town read? Additionally we see what appears to be a clear attempt to try to warp Trfel's status as seer to suit GBs anti-HF train. I think this is strongest point so far. Kelsier was getting into some serious pressure, going after HF seems like an easy way to divert pressure before the wagon starts rolling. Implies HF is town though (which I'm not saying is not possible. + Show Spoiler +
On December 12 2014 08:07 GlowingBear wrote: ALERT!!! ALERT!!!
HF ISN'T DEAD NIGHT1
On December 12 2014 10:16 GlowingBear wrote: I'm impressed you're not questioning Ritoky for claiming being GIVAN PREZANT, HF.
On December 12 2014 08:40 Holyflare wrote: I'm incredibly disappointed with the vigi if we do because he shot absolutely nobody that was a good shot. Not one of ff, ritoky etc died even though like 4 vets called them mafia -.-
Not sure what i think of the present opening tbh. It would have been great to give them to all the scummy people and forced them to open them/use them to our will :/
2 biggest proponents of a ff lynch also died which is cool, especially as lm was in the shadows while doing it so didn't look like a high priority kill
Just check timestamps. You were here before. You know about the presents. You didn't push ritoky. You're not pushing him now. Your excuse of just coming to the thread isn't valid.
On December 12 2014 10:49 GlowingBear wrote: Oops you're pushing him now.
Gonna sleep and see the outcome of it tomorrow.
On December 12 2014 21:24 GlowingBear wrote: Slam is town. Holyflare is mafia.
Ritoky's reason could be legit. I admit I tunnelled a bit after the present thing. I can, although with some reluctance, see his actions coming from a town perspective. More from a mafia perspective, but... I'll have to reevaluate his play in this game.
On December 12 2014 21:24 GlowingBear wrote: Slam is town. Holyflare is mafia.
Ritoky's reason could be legit. I admit I tunnelled a bit after the present thing. I can, although with some reluctance, see his actions coming from a town perspective. More from a mafia perspective, but... I'll have to reevaluate his play in this game.
I want to lynch Holyflare today.
Why HF?
And no, don't think so. Ritoky claiming so we know how he died is BS. It would just increase the possibilities from mafia/vig to mafia/vig/present, making things more difficult to decipher, not easier. Claiming before use of the power renders the power useless because now mafia has a sure thing to disable/take out over a guess. It just doesn't make sense, and while town cannot make sense, his refusal to see that is ridiculous.
Yeah, that's a point. I agree with you.
The problem is: HF is giving me scum vibes and although I know he busses a lot, I find hard to believe that they would both make a case against each other.
On December 12 2014 22:10 GlowingBear wrote: I want to read more of the thread before making a case on HF, but a lot of his reasoning is off. The lack of push on ritoky's present claim, the multiple scumreads of wagons outside the 27nb wagon and the 27nb mislynch is all playing against him.
His entrance in this game is awful, he picking on bunnies for being contradictory when picking up on frogs awful entrance but not picking on Vivax post on frog... This kind of double standards worries me.
On December 13 2014 05:10 sicklucker wrote: Actually whoever started with the third present should claim immediately. Just dont say who you gave it too. I can get alot of info off this.
Lol what kind of info?
Lololol
Ok, listen:
The only important point regarding presents is that ritoky claimed he got one, which is more detrimental than helpful, because, in case he don't die night1, he dies/get roleblocked night2, which is awful for town. But if you think of it again, there is no motive for him to claim that he is opening the present as mafia. I just used my brain a little more and got to this conclusion. Which means that talking about presents is only helpful when considering mass claiming. We should drop this discussion right now.
HF doesn't look like he is pushin town agenda, but his own self agenda. This looks much more like mafia holyflare. He points out things that aren't really mafiaish and doesn't seem to try to further identify people's alignment. His pushes aren't for solving the game. They are mostly done just to push, just to make a lynch happen, maybe.
His backtracking on froggy is weird because he kept an absolute stance regarding bunnies, who I just say sounded more null than anything, and froggy is leaning scum.
HF once came to the thread and said that we should look for people outside the NB wagon, which is ridiculous. He wasn't talking about people who WASTED their votes. He was talking about people outside the main wagon. He also said me and ritoky looked the worst. You can see he is doing a timid push on ritoky, but it really doesn't sound like he is trying to figure out his alignment. Weirdly enough, the present claim from ritoky remained unquestioned by HF. MOREOVER, he did not make ANY attempt to figure out my alignment when he said I looked bad at that time.
gonna check out all of those filters at some point to see their views on bunnies and why they weren't on her/what they were doing, kinda bad to still be on xata after he kinda adequately explained every accusation against him tbh and those rogue 1 and 2 voters that are on targets that were barely ever pushed at all (gb, froggy, hts) look terrible
Is this it?
Yes.
And I've just realised he talked about froggy looking bad, but he townreads him out of nothing later, when I ask him about Vivax and froggy.
That's it guys. HF is scum. I'm voting noone else.
On December 13 2014 07:09 GlowingBear wrote: Just vote HF. He will flip scum.
I've just got home and I'm tired. Don't force me into making a full case on him.
On December 09 2014 08:16 Holyflare wrote: Here's how it's going to roll. This game has a cap on posts so if you start the game with usual joke crap and useless things like rng that you don't follow through with then I'm going to deem you irresponsible and not worthy of being listened to this game. I've rolled town, I'm going to save my posts instead of being usual and chatty and just come up with my usual list of who to lynch and who to never lynch so that when I get nk'd you can just follow it.
Get rekt mafia
His entrance is bad. He says obvious things like saving posts because of post cap (which is a big cap, by the way, you can waste some posts). He then says he will ignore people that wastes posts. The problem is: he calls Templar out for the RNG thing but does not take any stance regarding it. He is also okay to ignore a thing that in a game with post cap could be considered a scum trait. Then he says the obvious thing about not wasting posts. This means (A) his entrance is a waste of post itself for not taking any stance and saying the obvious, (B) he is okay to ignore scum traits. Why this comes from a mafia: this is just a post to try looking contributive while being noncomittal and fluffy. This is also a pre-excuse to overlook any scummy people who are wasting their posts.
On December 09 2014 08:20 froggynoddy wrote: Gogogo.
RNG sounds pretty silly. Though at least it would create some content and stop people from lurking.
On the subject of lurking. having not played in a while... when I did play, town usually spent Day 1 arguing on whether to lynch lurkers, I assume this is still the case. I have to go to bed now (work in the morning) but pre-empting this topic lets just cut to the chase and all agree nicely that policy lynching is stupid, however in the absence of a decent slip to go on, lurkers are the best of bad lynch options.
This entrance is bad because mafia tends to have a hard time to introduce themselves into the game. They will try to sound serious, to sound committal, so they look like they're town. Under this perspective:
"Gogogo" is completely forced. Lynching lurkers wasn't being a trend in the topic but he says that policy lynchings are stupid and we shouldn't discuss it. The thread wasn't discussing. So, unnecessary to bring this up. By saying that we shouldn't discuss it, he starts a discussion towards it. But that's not the only problem. In the end of his sentence he ASSUMES it is ok to go against lurkers LOLOLOLOL. Why this comes from mafia? As I've already said, mafia will try to look contributive, so this is just him trying look townie by saying something very easy to say as mafia. Worse, he then contradicts himself saying that it is okay to lynch lurkers under the lack of good target, which makes his policy-talking shit a waste of post. It is also a pre-excuse if he chooses to lynch lurkers later in the day, so he won't take responsibility for it
On December 09 2014 08:20 froggynoddy wrote: Gogogo.
RNG sounds pretty silly. Though at least it would create some content and stop people from lurking.
On the subject of lurking. having not played in a while... when I did play, town usually spent Day 1 arguing on whether to lynch lurkers, I assume this is still the case. I have to go to bed now (work in the morning) but pre-empting this topic lets just cut to the chase and all agree nicely that policy lynching is stupid, however in the absence of a decent slip to go on, lurkers are the best of bad lynch options.
So what you're saying is policy lynches are terrible but if it all goes sour you want to policy lynch??
So he also thinks this post is bad.
Bunnies and Vivax, however, have different opinions:
On December 09 2014 08:32 27ninjabunnies wrote: @ Slam @ Damdred
Didn't HF basically do just the same thing? Except more of he came into the thread with "Omgerd we have cap posts. Im town, follow me later" and then leaves.
And yet, Damdred, you have him as town for basically a shit post?
While I agree, people talking about policy lynching and lurkers seem off, he seems just an easy target for people to scum read because of that.
On December 09 2014 08:35 Vivax wrote: What froggy said is simple common sense but also something that never matters cause at the end of the day it's mostly some scummy looking person getting lynched.
I don't see it as scummy, just as something useless to talk about which isn't scummy at this stage of the game. The biggest accusation you could make is that he's so serious in a setting where people are kinda joking, but that's not enough to go with in my book. It's more like he's annoyed that people are discussing policies when in past games it always led to that statement of his making the most sense.
Null for me.
Notice that the basis of their argument is similar: it's a very easy target for scum.
Then Holyflare comes with this very opportunistic post:
On December 09 2014 08:32 27ninjabunnies wrote: @ Slam @ Damdred
Didn't HF basically do just the same thing? Except more of he came into the thread with "Omgerd we have cap posts. Im town, follow me later" and then leaves.
And yet, Damdred, you have him as town for basically a shit post?
While I agree, people talking about policy lynching and lurkers seem off, he seems just an easy target for people to scum read because of that.
I'm still here and haven't made an excuse about leaving? I'm not sure I understand what you're saying in bold at all though. It's one thing to talk about policy but this is showing that first and foremost you did not read his post because:
A) he wrote about not policy lynching lirkers because it's bad
And
B) he wrote about agreeing to policy lynch lurkers
And secondly you are defending a person that "is an easy target to be scum read" when that person has done genuinely scummy things and you are brushing it off
##vote 27ninjabunnies
Enjoy your date
Why this comes from a mafia
See, why does Holyflare doesn't attack Vivax for using the same argument? Why does he completely ignore Vivax and goes shit aggressive against bunnies? Why doesn't he even do that against froggy, the contradictory one?
Because bunnies will turn into an easy lynch and the others may be (I SAID MAY BE) his scum partners. Holyflare even ended lynching bunnies. Then says that people outside the NB wagon are scummy, including froggy. But he makes NO ATTEMPT to discover his alignment. He is just pushing his own agenda, without even considering solving the game. He just says someone is scum and pushes it.
Putting it in a simpler way: he says what town agenda is (looking to the wasted votes), but goes against his own agenda (pushing ritoky in a timid way)
This is the end of part 1. Part 2 will be tomorrow, because I'm going to a party.
On December 14 2014 05:49 GlowingBear wrote: PART 2
Odd final count analysis and lack of push on town agenda
On December 11 2014 12:33 Holyflare wrote: you're literally saying right here in the thread that the fact that I updated my read with my own tidbits + what other people had said makes me mafia? ahahahaha how many posts do you think bunnies made in that time frame? 1000? how many posts do I have to spend in a post limited game explaining things that other people are saying + adding my own things on? also the stuff that I said kita mentioned I fleshed out more in that post so it was actually my original thoughts and not just the bolded which you seem to imply it is
also, her points on kelsier were crap, the fact that I'm starting to scum read him now is totally irrelevant to her case being crap at all because it purely involves her flipping town and the stuff he said previous to her flipping
I find it hard to believe you could believe anything you are typing at all.
she made 3 pages worth of posts, actually, so yes she made quite a few. I believe that's over 40 posts to respond to, so your exaggerating and laughing, but actually you're just lying and implying she didn't post a lot or a lot of substance. if she is your top scum read, 3 posts to push and develop your read seems shallow at best; especially with your standards. hell you devoted the same or more posts in the same time frame to reading vivax, kels, and xat; who you didn't push on at all. and i disagree that any of what you said regarding kita's stuff is original, it is all sheep.
further as town you are one of the largest proponents of using your vote as a means of pressuring people into giving information, and you felt perfectly fine leaving it on a town. like you're just plain mafia.
So you're saying that even though I spent 2-3 pages of filter PREVIOUSLY talking about bunnies all game the fact that I only spent a few long posts on her LATER when she had only posted like a page or less since I left with a lot of fluff in it makes me mafia? Why are you using the the latter half of the game to justify a read on me that should span the whole game? Have you even bothered to check the timestamps of when I've been around, I was sick all day and literally posted as much as I could on as many people I could in the time frame that I've been here (without trying to devolve into spammyness)
I can't believe you'd ever make this read as town. Ever. It literally shows no progression of thought process at all and is a rough job of a case that is based on falsities twisted to fit your narrative. There is no way on this planet that a town ritoky would make this case. Just like the case you made on LS using exclusively meta reads. None of these things you are saying make anyone scum yet you're pushing them so vehemently that it's making YOU look scummy instead.
I hope someone shoots this guy (ritoky) btw.
On December 11 2014 12:43 LightningStrike wrote: Okay Oatsmaster I got a Null read on him due to him not as much as he did on his town games but I guess the limit on the post number on each persons filter making try to conserve his posts a lot more than normal he did have some nice questions but he also made a weird call on Vivax being scum so idk what the true nature of his read on him is. KSC I got him scum right now since most of his posts were more fluff than anything and he didn't ask good questions except once towards me but he also had a I told you so attitude on the lynch of 27ninja before the lynch which one of the scum members in the Campus Mafia game said about me when I was getting lynched kind of tells me he is scum at this point.
I dunno about oats anymore. My point on him was made kinda moot by xata so he's really just a ?. Don't like his wasted vote on vivax after saying he looked towny at all though. In fact there were a LOT of wasted votes.
gonna check out all of those filters at some point to see their views on bunnies and why they weren't on her/what they were doing, kinda bad to still be on xata after he kinda adequately explained every accusation against him tbh and those rogue 1 and 2 voters that are on targets that were barely ever pushed at all (gb, froggy, hts) look terrible
A good way to catch mafia is looking at who wasted their votes on the final votecount of a day. This looks like an attempt to do that. But, you see, he oddly points out EVERY other person outside the main wagon, which is NOT a reasonable thing, specially when we are talking about such strong player as Holyflare.
Following his logic, me, frog and hts looks terrible. This is him stablishing the town agenda. In fact, our wasted votes looks terrible. Reminder: he didn't like froggynoddy's entrance either.
But look at how inconsistent is his play: he stablishes town agenda, but pushes his own agenda (pushing ritoky). He does NOTHING to see these 3 people's alignment. He is NOT interested in these 3 people's alignment. He is just interested to look like an aggressive townie pushing ritoky, but he is actually not trying to solve the game. He is not trying to discover ritoky's alignment. He is just pushing for the sake of pushing someone.
Why this comes from a mafia?: Mafia tends to look contributive but lacks the town intention for solving the game. He simply displays 3 names people should take a look at but does not go after those names. He is disinterested in solving the game, to discover people's alignment. That's not a townie. A townie would go against those 3 names he spoke of. He just posted this analysis because he wants to look contributive.
Town read on froggynoddy
When I noticed these patterns, I inquired him for reads on froggynoddy and Vivax. This is his response:
On December 12 2014 10:08 GlowingBear wrote: Holyflare
Your reads on froggynoddy and vivax, please.
I have no idea how this is relevant in the slightest when I've made it pretty clear who i think mafia are. Either way, froggy is a kindaaaa towny/i dunno read. He writes quite long posts to say not much but I dunno how to explain that I don't want to lynch him other than saying his posts look innocent enough and to the point. He also wanted people to talk to him about his templar read that he's been pushing around the deadline which was cool and I kinda regret not talking to him more, he also said something around the bunnies lynch which i forget that made it seem like he was actually thinking about the game. I wouldn't say it's particularly difficult stuff to post as mafia but it seems pretty genuine to me.
Vivax has been pushing people that I agree look scummy (- xatalos) but his reasons for doing it look like he's putting in the effort to find out inconsistencies. After a few games where we've been wrong on each other I think we've just resorted to ignoring the other and are just gonna base it on overall play. Well I am anyway. Not really bothered to elaborate further.
You see, he was scumreading froggy noddy, said he looked terrible by his wasted vote, BUT CALLS HIM TOWN WHEN ASKED FOR A READ. This is someone who is NOT consistent with his reads. This is someone who gives fabricated reads and forgets them, or someone who doesn't want to scumread a possible partner. I know for a fact that Holyflare does this a lot. He scumreads a partner to further townread him. Remember: HE HAD NO ATTEMPT TO DISCOVER FROGGY'S ALIGNMENT. He started having this townread on him out of nothing, which is completely scummy. I'm sure you can understand mafia motivation behind it.
Scumread on me
This is hilarious. I want you to check these two posts regarding me, from the most recent to the oldest:
On December 13 2014 08:29 Holyflare wrote: I can only assume someone pushing so much false information is mafia. Much like ritoky who even when presented with multiple pieces of evidence to show that his meta was wrong continued to push his scum read on me. Not to mention his initial contradictory stance on how he has a super solid meta read on me but was fooled last game even though he said that meta read existed then too. Glad to see absolutely nobody in this game is paying attention to that.
On December 10 2014 00:11 Holyflare wrote: 2 people haven't posted in this game at all yet, useful -.-
Oats, your post on vivax is wrong and your post refuting that wasn't in any english I could understand.
Ls looks not bad to me, dunno why people are hating on him giving all the meta when loads of other people do the same. Ritoky seems angry for some reason because of this??
Obi still being useless, just because he was useless last game (russian) as town doesn't stop him being able to be useless this game as mafia. It just means he's useless which increases the odds of him being mafia.
Kush.. Meh will resolve itself i think
Gb hasn't really done anything but hasn't done anything outrageously wrong like I'd expect him to as town but his picking on solely koshi and like nothing else is wearing thin and is pretty scummy
I dunno feel kinda iffy about hts after reading the things about kush feels a bit too flippant
New list oats, obi, (gb?) bunnies Mehhhhbe/mehhhhbe not: hts, kush
HAHAHA HE SAYS IT'S A TOWN TRAIT FOR ME FOR BEING OUTRAGEOUSLY WRONG, BUT WHEN HE THINKS I'M OUTRAGEOUSLY WRONG THE SCUMREADS ME. This is the most inconsistent thing I have ever seen. He didn't scumread me because I acted scummy. He scumread me because he felt I was getting close to him. He is trying to discredit me and to survive, and not to figure out my alignment. Town perspective would be evaluate my action and figure out my alignment for something he already knows about my gameplay. Mafia perspective is "I'm getting caught, I have to make this guy look bad"
##VOTE: HOLYFLARE RIGHT NOW!!!!
On December 15 2014 09:53 GlowingBear wrote: By the way, why would Santa try to lynch holyflare by having a "gut feeling"? His check was obvious not on Kelsier.
Hm.
On December 15 2014 10:10 GlowingBear wrote: ##Vote:Holyflare
I'll keep my vote on him until he claims.
OBI if you shot HF you're insane.
-Calls for mass roleclaims multiple times, recants, then calls for mass roleclaims again. With possibly 2-3 town roles still out there, and no set number of anything, how does this benefit town, and why won't he stop harping about it? + Show Spoiler +
On December 12 2014 08:30 GlowingBear wrote: I'm wondering if mass claiming day2 is a good idea.
On December 12 2014 08:58 GlowingBear wrote: Who was masoned with kita?
Time to claim.
On December 13 2014 03:25 GlowingBear wrote: You guys are out of your minds.
I had to come quickly to my work so I couldn't bring the points on holyflare.
By the way, mass claiming IS okay now, as a lot of vts died. It will narrow our lynches A LOT
On December 13 2014 03:30 Half the Sky wrote: Bats, if you're going to make a case on anyone using meta, I would think reading filters would be required, otherwise your case is going nowhere.
GB: I don't understand the logic of mass claiming. Based on N1, we're sure they have Mass Murderer, likely the Branch Manager is out there too. Not sure about their RB or City Banker.
What good does it do for our key power roles (i.e. Santa) to claim? Is there something with the mechanics you're seeing I'm not?
Why mafia roles are relevant? If people mass claim, mafia will have to counter claim in order to survive for long. This means that, at least, we will have to decide between 2 claims, when one is true and the other is false. Considering Scrooge is dead, we have 3 confirmed roles for town. There's obviously a Santa. That's 4 people we are not considering lynching today already. It's a lot.
I don't care much for power roles. All we have to do to win the game is to lynch mafia, that's all.
On December 14 2014 00:43 GlowingBear wrote: Ok, now that I'm sober (although extremely hangover), and before I continue with the case on Holyflare, I want to say a word about presents. Although talking about the power presents give is useless, there is an important thing about its mechanics that we should consider:
They have 66% chance of giving a important power to town. That said, if a mafia holds a present, he is most likely to give it to a partner and not opening it until they can see if the present town holds is the death one.
Town, in the other hand, will give it to anyone day1 and the townie will most likely open it because they have a very good chance of opening a power present.
This means:
If damdred opened a present and flipped town, sicklucker is most likely town.
If ritoky claims he's got a present and that he is opening it, he's most likely town, because mafia would hold it and give to another partner to see if that was the death present or not. There is no motive for mafia to say they will open it, since that, if they open the death present, they will flip mafia anyway, so ritoky's explanation actually looks fair.
That's it guys.
Btw, no mass claiming. It was a bad idea of mine. I've just realised mafia will have problems with so many possible powers against them.
On December 14 2014 00:43 GlowingBear wrote: Ok, now that I'm sober (although extremely hangover), and before I continue with the case on Holyflare, I want to say a word about presents. Although talking about the power presents give is useless, there is an important thing about its mechanics that we should consider:
They have 66% chance of giving a important power to town. That said, if a mafia holds a present, he is most likely to give it to a partner and not opening it until they can see if the present town holds is the death one.
Town, in the other hand, will give it to anyone day1 and the townie will most likely open it because they have a very good chance of opening a power present.
This means:
If damdred opened a present and flipped town, sicklucker is most likely town.
If ritoky claims he's got a present and that he is opening it, he's most likely town, because mafia would hold it and give to another partner to see if that was the death present or not. There is no motive for mafia to say they will open it, since that, if they open the death present, they will flip mafia anyway, so ritoky's explanation actually looks fair.
That's it guys.
Btw, no mass claiming. It was a bad idea of mine. I've just realised mafia will have problems with so many possible powers against them.
Nice recant. Took you long enough. I'm not the first one to say no, that's stupid, just one of the first to scumread you for the mass role claim.
You're still ignoring my comment that Mafia is fully capable of fake claiming the opening of a present (and what was Ritoky's main excuse, that it would be dumb to open a present as mafia if it could be the kill present?), claim that he had a KS, then follow through because mafia does have a KS. That said, I'm comfortable waiting to see if he dies tonight, if no one else who was scumreading him Day 1 feels inclined to do the same today because they think he's a stupid (or crafty) town.
I'm not ignoring it, I'm considering probability. Mafia can do whatever they want to do. But it is likely that they do that? I don't believe so. He obviously received the present because I sent it to him. Unnecessary to claim it as mafia.
Also, I know the setup was open on titanic v, but the thing is that a lot of vts died, the probability of we having a lot of power roles alive is high and if we all claim, we will be able to narrow people and discussion. We will narrow our lunch targets a lot. Anyway, it doesn't matter now because it is a better idea to not claim.
Masons are confirmed to each other, aren't they? Because if they are, we will have another confirmed town without a power role. Do you understand why claiming masons is okay?
On December 15 2014 10:34 rsoultin wrote: Or, and here is a really crazy thing.
We lynched KSC.
And that is why he didn't kill anyone.
You know...just a thought.
EBWOP: Nevermind. You were talking about Night 1 there weren't you GB? It's possible he shot randomly into the crowd and happened to hit what he needed to, but yeah, it's probably more likely that someone else shot.
I don't think that's how the mechanic works...
Anyway, yes, I was talking about night1
It has been a long day and I'm not thinking properly now. Gonna put thoughts on things tomorrow.
I gently ask for anyone who was roleblocked night1 and night2 to claim it.
On December 16 2014 02:09 GlowingBear wrote: I don't get why people aren't claiming. I don't fucking care about the shorty JK power. I care to know who is town and who is mafia because all we have to do is lynch them.
Why did the mason didn't claim yet?
I want to clear names from my head and go against scummy people. This is the most important thing. Yet here we are wasting our time instead of figuring out other people's alignment.
- Presents unasked for defense/explanation for “gift-giving” being a purely town-motivated action, going out of his way to clear SL when SL was not being scumread/under fire. This one is simply a bit "why" for me. What with their duo, I can only think that a scum!GB has pocketed a town!SL and is trying to be read as town by association: Damdred(town)-SL-GB-ritoky??? Or, scum!GB is trying to protect scum!SL by giving him a WIFOM "confirmation". I agree with this entirely. I would add that saying something this obvious (I mean I may be terrible but even I got that when I read the set-up) Looks useful to town, but actually does not contribute much if anything + Show Spoiler +
On December 14 2014 00:43 GlowingBear wrote: Ok, now that I'm sober (although extremely hangover), and before I continue with the case on Holyflare, I want to say a word about presents. Although talking about the power presents give is useless, there is an important thing about its mechanics that we should consider:
They have 66% chance of giving a important power to town. That said, if a mafia holds a present, he is most likely to give it to a partner and not opening it until they can see if the present town holds is the death one.
Town, in the other hand, will give it to anyone day1 and the townie will most likely open it because they have a very good chance of opening a power present.
This means:
If damdred opened a present and flipped town, sicklucker is most likely town.
If ritoky claims he's got a present and that he is opening it, he's most likely town, because mafia would hold it and give to another partner to see if that was the death present or not. There is no motive for mafia to say they will open it, since that, if they open the death present, they will flip mafia anyway, so ritoky's explanation actually looks fair.
That's it guys.
Btw, no mass claiming. It was a bad idea of mine. I've just realised mafia will have problems with so many possible powers against them.
On December 14 2014 03:38 GlowingBear wrote: Dude...
You also use your part 2 to talk about presents when that implicates KILLING DAMDRED??? You are a scapegoat.
Tube, sicklucker claims he sent damdred a present Damdred dies and flips town You can assume it was the death present Mafia is unlikely to give present to town day1 Therefore, SL is town
- Throws a fit EoD2 when demands to vote HF and trust him fail, and piecemeal case is generally rejected. I included this mostly because people seemed to think this was a sign of being town. Unless bullying and yelling at people is a town trait, I don't really get it...Occasionally could be considered a joke, but this was completely over the top imo. I think this is irrelevant, he seems like a pretty belligerent poster which could be of either alignment, if anything I think its a little more likely that a towny player would display this kind of emotion (which could obviously also be faked = WIFOM) + Show Spoiler +
On December 14 2014 04:57 GlowingBear wrote: Obi, trust me. Vote for holyflare. Trust me please.
On December 14 2014 04:46 Tubesock wrote: First, I don't expect anyone to really dig into what I saw until we lose a few more towns and have 0 mafia kills.
I do absolutely think I can be wrong. This is why I'm hoping and asking for help, if people don't see what I see and have asked many times, then it's not right. But, my reads have slightly changed. I'm replacing GB, in my published 4 (temp, kel, sick and GB) and my 5th changed and found my 6th. But before I say, I think I need people to try more to see from my eyes. When they do, they will understand more.
It's just like my interaction with Slam. He had no interest in me. I showed him I had something he wanted. Unfortunately, he (and the rest of you) thought I personally attacked him. I did not. I was seeing if we saw eye to eye. Now, I think he sees that I wasn't at all insulting him. Not one bit.
Specifically, aviation isn't like professional sports, the best pilots are not necessarily the best pilots. Amateurs and professionals are equal. We are all pilots. I think Slam would agree.
So, I need to figure out how to convey my thoughts on who I think are mafia. Unless I do that, then no matter what I say will be useless. Absolutely useless.
except I think Dick Bong (unfortunate name on the Internet, pot smokers and references -_-) is the best- he equaled the Red Baron in a more advanced theatre of flight
Tube sock I am two dozen. I was 3 when you joined AOPA.
I am an idiot talk about the best thing all you like.
GB WE GET FF NOT HF WHO IS TOO GOOD HEY
BUT HE IS OBVIOUS MAFIA SLAM C'MON
On December 14 2014 06:04 GlowingBear wrote: I WILL LYNCH WHOEVER DOES NOT VOTES ON HOLYFLARE AFTER THE BEST CASE OF MY LIFE I WILL LYNCH WHOEVER DOES NOT VOTES ON HF
AND I'LL PM GAY PORN EVERYDAY TO YOU GUYS. EVERYDAY.
On December 14 2014 06:06 GlowingBear wrote: Seriously.
READ MY CASE. VOTE HOLYFLARE OR POINT OUT WHY MY CASE IS WRONG.
On December 14 2014 06:04 GlowingBear wrote: I WILL LYNCH WHOEVER DOES NOT VOTES ON HOLYFLARE AFTER THE BEST CASE OF MY LIFE I WILL LYNCH WHOEVER DOES NOT VOTES ON HF
AND I'LL PM GAY PORN EVERYDAY TO YOU GUYS. EVERYDAY.
will switch if tubesock's tryhard defense continues to convince enough people to unvote him
You will switch now.
Mafia is deflecting the ongoing HF's lynch. It was the best opportunity for them to lynch HF but they started deflecting it to FF.
You will switch NOW.
On December 14 2014 06:12 GlowingBear wrote: DO YOU NEED ME TO LINK MY CASE AGAIN? BECAUSE I CAN AND I NEED YOU TO LOOK AT IT AND SAY OMG GLOWINGBEAR GENIUS
On December 14 2014 06:46 GlowingBear wrote: Get back to HF, ff.
- Doesn’t want vig to shoot top scum read and refuses to explain why until Day 3, claiming HF could have been town/vet when he hasn’t townread him the entire game since early Day 1. His vet story is particularly strange. Worried the vig might waste a bullet? Wouldn't that be a possibility regardless of who the vig shot? If GB thinks HF is scum, he should want him dead to confirm, and GB never admits to thinking HF isn't scum. + Show Spoiler +
On December 14 2014 10:27 ObiWanShinobi wrote: The most likely scenario we're dealing with is that there's scum on the Holyflare wagon. We hunt there first, and if Hf gets shot by either mafia or a vigilante and flips town, then we're in an awesome spot information-wise because we know exactly where some scum have hid, and it's likely there's more than one on his wagon.
I just realized there's actually a scenario where Oats could be scum with Holyflare, but that would depend on the mafia team so absolved of thread influence that two mafia were the leading wagons and the whole team is made up of useless players with no thread pull. Just an fyi, Holyflare is anything but useless.
It would be amazing if that were the case, but I don't think it is: out of the people who fit the bill based on their votes, LS is a claimed role as well, so it's unlikely.
All of this is mostly speculation at this point. I need to do more legwork to get my analysis out before I most likely get shot.
1st paragraph won't happen :/ although I want HF lynched, I don't think he is a good vigi shot. 2nd paragraph: yeah, he isn't useless, but he is scummy. I'll debunk his defense soon. Although I'll say in advance that I may have misread something in his filter, since I couldn't find where he explicitly said froggy is scummy. All I've got was him calling his entrance out and saying froggy looks terrible (which, for me, is a way to say someone looks scummy), but I couldn't find where he explicitly said he was scum. Bummer.
I believe it's possible that both wagons were mafia. Holyflare's vote was on FF. I simply don't like FFs wagon. Gonna check it again
On December 14 2014 10:27 ObiWanShinobi wrote: The most likely scenario we're dealing with is that there's scum on the Holyflare wagon. We hunt there first, and if Hf gets shot by either mafia or a vigilante and flips town, then we're in an awesome spot information-wise because we know exactly where some scum have hid, and it's likely there's more than one on his wagon.
I just realized there's actually a scenario where Oats could be scum with Holyflare, but that would depend on the mafia team so absolved of thread influence that two mafia were the leading wagons and the whole team is made up of useless players with no thread pull. Just an fyi, Holyflare is anything but useless.
It would be amazing if that were the case, but I don't think it is: out of the people who fit the bill based on their votes, LS is a claimed role as well, so it's unlikely.
All of this is mostly speculation at this point. I need to do more legwork to get my analysis out before I most likely get shot.
1st paragraph won't happen :/ although I want HF lynched, I don't think he is a good vigi shot. 2nd paragraph: yeah, he isn't useless, but he is scummy. I'll debunk his defense soon. Although I'll say in advance that I may have misread something in his filter, since I couldn't find where he explicitly said froggy is scummy. All I've got was him calling his entrance out and saying froggy looks terrible (which, for me, is a way to say someone looks scummy), but I couldn't find where he explicitly said he was scum. Bummer.
I believe it's possible that both wagons were mafia. Holyflare's vote was on FF. I simply don't like FFs wagon. Gonna check it again
although I want HF lynched, I don't think he is a good vigi shot.
what?
HF needs to flip tonight or discussion won't progress tomorrow
He isn't a good vigi shot. Period.
Fail to see your reasoning here. If he's scum, dead is dead. If he's town, we waste a day trying to lynch him (or arguing about lynching him) tomorrow.
No specific logic. Bad vigi shot. That's all. Let's move on to the next topic.
On December 14 2014 10:27 ObiWanShinobi wrote: The most likely scenario we're dealing with is that there's scum on the Holyflare wagon. We hunt there first, and if Hf gets shot by either mafia or a vigilante and flips town, then we're in an awesome spot information-wise because we know exactly where some scum have hid, and it's likely there's more than one on his wagon.
I just realized there's actually a scenario where Oats could be scum with Holyflare, but that would depend on the mafia team so absolved of thread influence that two mafia were the leading wagons and the whole team is made up of useless players with no thread pull. Just an fyi, Holyflare is anything but useless.
It would be amazing if that were the case, but I don't think it is: out of the people who fit the bill based on their votes, LS is a claimed role as well, so it's unlikely.
All of this is mostly speculation at this point. I need to do more legwork to get my analysis out before I most likely get shot.
1st paragraph won't happen :/ although I want HF lynched, I don't think he is a good vigi shot. 2nd paragraph: yeah, he isn't useless, but he is scummy. I'll debunk his defense soon. Although I'll say in advance that I may have misread something in his filter, since I couldn't find where he explicitly said froggy is scummy. All I've got was him calling his entrance out and saying froggy looks terrible (which, for me, is a way to say someone looks scummy), but I couldn't find where he explicitly said he was scum. Bummer.
I believe it's possible that both wagons were mafia. Holyflare's vote was on FF. I simply don't like FFs wagon. Gonna check it again
although I want HF lynched, I don't think he is a good vigi shot.
what?
HF needs to flip tonight or discussion won't progress tomorrow
He isn't a good vigi shot. Period.
Fail to see your reasoning here. If he's scum, dead is dead. If he's town, we waste a day trying to lynch him (or arguing about lynching him) tomorrow.
No specific logic. Bad vigi shot. That's all. Let's move on to the next topic.
Not acceptable. If you don't have a reason to say that, why are you saying it? I am trying to play ball with you here, GB...I'm not sold that you're not town or that HF isn't mafia, so can you at least work with me a little here?
I can, but this is not a thing to be discussed at night. I can talk about any other topic you want
On December 14 2014 10:27 ObiWanShinobi wrote: The most likely scenario we're dealing with is that there's scum on the Holyflare wagon. We hunt there first, and if Hf gets shot by either mafia or a vigilante and flips town, then we're in an awesome spot information-wise because we know exactly where some scum have hid, and it's likely there's more than one on his wagon.
I just realized there's actually a scenario where Oats could be scum with Holyflare, but that would depend on the mafia team so absolved of thread influence that two mafia were the leading wagons and the whole team is made up of useless players with no thread pull. Just an fyi, Holyflare is anything but useless.
It would be amazing if that were the case, but I don't think it is: out of the people who fit the bill based on their votes, LS is a claimed role as well, so it's unlikely.
All of this is mostly speculation at this point. I need to do more legwork to get my analysis out before I most likely get shot.
1st paragraph won't happen :/ although I want HF lynched, I don't think he is a good vigi shot. 2nd paragraph: yeah, he isn't useless, but he is scummy. I'll debunk his defense soon. Although I'll say in advance that I may have misread something in his filter, since I couldn't find where he explicitly said froggy is scummy. All I've got was him calling his entrance out and saying froggy looks terrible (which, for me, is a way to say someone looks scummy), but I couldn't find where he explicitly said he was scum. Bummer.
I believe it's possible that both wagons were mafia. Holyflare's vote was on FF. I simply don't like FFs wagon. Gonna check it again
although I want HF lynched, I don't think he is a good vigi shot.
what?
HF needs to flip tonight or discussion won't progress tomorrow
He isn't a good vigi shot. Period.
Fail to see your reasoning here. If he's scum, dead is dead. If he's town, we waste a day trying to lynch him (or arguing about lynching him) tomorrow.
No specific logic. Bad vigi shot. That's all. Let's move on to the next topic.
Not acceptable. If you don't have a reason to say that, why are you saying it? I am trying to play ball with you here, GB...I'm not sold that you're not town or that HF isn't mafia, so can you at least work with me a little here?
I can, but this is not a thing to be discussed at night. I can talk about any other topic you want
...Unless you're trying to tell me that you're no longer certain of HF's alignment, it seems like you just don't want people to see him flip. And if you're no longer certain of HF's alignment, you should be able to "discuss" that just fine. I'm not an idiot to not understand what you're hinting at here, but the dodging is unnecessary when all you had to say was "I'm having doubts."
Listen: we can discuss any topic regarding HF. There are a lot of reasons why I think HF isn't a good shot. I don't want to talk about any of them. But we can discuss HFs alignment, that's for sure. I still think he is scum. Odd thing: Kelsier didn't vote HF to keep alive. Thoughts on this?
On December 15 2014 22:14 GlowingBear wrote: Where did froggy agreed with my case?
I didn't want vigi to shoot HF because: 1) He could be town (I'm positive he is mafia but I don't have perfect information) and the way he claimed he was a role made me think he was the veteran. That's why I didn't want to talk, at night, exactly WHY HF wasn't a good shot 2) We have questions marks/scummy lurkers that are more worthy of a vigi shot: froggy, oats were the best shots.
- Weird froggynoddy association flip comment, suggesting that if froggynoddy flips HF is scum. Does he really buy the froggynoddy nonsense he's spouting in his case? Or...could it be that this is a buss intended to add credence to his not-so-shiny case? as much as I want to agree with this I think this is just absolutely terrible logic rather than scummy play. + Show Spoiler +
On December 15 2014 06:16 sicklucker wrote: He claimed a blue role.
Then he claimed sc
No he didn't
Stop talking about his shitty claim, we will now what will happen after the nightkills.
I just ask you guys to be careful. In case I die, it means nothing regarding HFs alignment. Don't fall into WIFOM with the night kills.
Anyway, I think I'll head the other way. If HF is mafia, I have this association that froggy noddy is mafia with him. So instead of going against HF tomorrow, I'll go against froggy noddy.
By the way, if we have a vigi (which I don't think so), froggynoddy is an okay target.
- Finally...yes, there is an end!...The weird reads on me. Note how he first links me to HFs alignment, then quickly backs down to a null read, then a town read. Suspiciously, this looks like a nod to general thread sentiment. no offence but my read on you has gone through all the colours of the rainbow so I meh + Show Spoiler +
On December 15 2014 13:58 GlowingBear wrote: Seriously, if HF flips mafia, I have contundent facts that rsoultin is hod partner. Although I must say I'm impressed with his play here.
On December 16 2014 02:28 GlowingBear wrote: I was reading slam as town but I'm not sure anymore though.
I don't know what I make of rsoultin.
Templar fits the lurking mafia
Obi dying and not shooting is weird. It's hard to believe mafia nailed his alignment, roleblocked and killed him.
But it seems he was roleblocked which means ritoky could be saved by nigella. Which again makes no sense. Argh.
Froggynoddy is worthless in this game So is oats, who townread Vivax day1 after a long quarrel but keeps his vote on his townread HTS looks bad because it doesn't look like she is trying. Same to Tubesock. It makes no sense, however, that Templar is scum with Tubesock.
His pushes on Tubesock are timid. I can see Templar very well being mafia.
On December 16 2014 10:32 GlowingBear wrote: By tunnelling you, I've made rsoultin mafia by association.
But looking at his filter and other dead people I feel like he is most likely town, although he has this weird things I'm pointing out.
Please feel free to comment/ask questions. Like, why would mafia!ritoky successfully lynch mafia!ksc instead of HF? Well, if HF is town (and I have yet to see real evidence that he isn't), mafia!GB cannot afford to have HF flip. (No vig shot lololol) It really is that simple. If they can string this along to LYLO, they will.
Ok so looks like you did the work for me. My thoughts in green.
My questions to you are:
- Why GB over Rit? - Does GB/Rit scumteam make more sense than HF/Rit scumteam?
This is for the lynch after Rit in case you didn't see the votes.
On December 17 2014 10:35 GlowingBear wrote: But well, my theory that scum could have hammered HF but didn't was proven right.
If you're still scumreading me, remember that I was the one that started to ask questions about notification to ritoky. This is exactly what I was trying to achieve at that moment. That's why after his answer I asked anyone who was roleblocked day1 to claim.
Also, as holyflare quoted Vivax, LoneMeow was shot by vigi.
Proof one is that Obi said he was reading LM as mafia Proof two is that, as only 2 kills happened, Obi was shot AND roleblocked, which is TOO accurate night actions for mafia UNLESS they realise obi was the only one scumreading LM. And as they know they didn't shoot LM night one, it was easy to know who to roleblock and kill.
You said okay and moved on. Bats is the one who figured it out. Come on, GB. You can't claim credit for what you didn't do. You didn't even vote ritoky after supposedly trapping him.
Because I couldn't get back earlier to change my vote.
If you think that bats was the guy who made the hard push, you're wrong. If you really think I would question my scum partner so he slips doing something impossible...
I know some people would question their scum partner just to look townie.
On December 18 2014 01:40 batsnacks wrote: If HF never had a present in the first place, he might keep quiet about "who he gave it to." Otherwise what's the point of not saying?
He could of just fake claimed the present as far we know to keep the mafia guessing who got the present.
On December 18 2014 04:55 froggynoddy wrote: So I have been thinking. I think Mafia had to have the remaining presents as it makes no sense for Rit to guess with a 50% chance of being wrong and leavig yourself vulnerable to a counterclaim. I feel like the only logical play for Ritovky was to claim vig-present to hide a mass-murderer shot and confuse town.
This must (you'd think) have been vetted by his scum-buddies. This means that scum should have had both presents as otherwise the risk would be too great.
So I guess my question is... how does FF have a present as town?
This is why froggy got lynched btw and why I town read him. What he said is true and means hf is mafia. Also he says he doesint want to vote gb. Gb is clearly mafias mislynch target so killing him is one vote in their favor.
He might be wrong about wrong about some of it but not that mafia has both presents. Me and him both agree with this
Ls please change your vote from gb to holyflare if you think im town. Sheep me
Both nks were votes against holyflare. Both nightkills would not have voted gb. Holyflare is mafia.
This pains me but fair enough ##Unvote ##Vote Holyflare
Sorry sicklucker I still town read you but I think Rsoultins case on Glowbear has better ground than Glowbear's case on HF ##Unvote ##Vote: Glowingbear
If HF flips town you will call me and rsoultin scum for not pushing the majority lynch when we having our heads held high on a really solid case. Sorry about earlier rsoultin but I had to convence sicklucker I did town read him.
On December 15 2014 22:23 Holyflare wrote: Ok well I read templar and I'm really not enthused. He spent all of day 2 not particularly doing anything (i also noticed he said he liked kelsier but also gave the caveat that he hadn't really read the thread at all) and gave no input into literally any of the wagons at all. He was so heavily focused on Tubesock and all of his posts but never really with anything else at all. For someone who read the thread he just jumped onto my wagon with ease based on not even gb's case but a small post gb made.
If he hasn't been reading the thread he shouldn't know whether any of the case is true or not and if he did read the thread he'd know it wasn't. He also never bothered to read me at all, never bothered to even check anything about anyone but instead only attacked tubesock for voting on mafia instead of his main read which is so fucking irrelevant when the lynch was between me/ff/kelsier that i find it hard to believe he even cares who he is voting as long as it isn't kelsier.
It's really scummy that he has no real thoughts of his own and was quite happy to sheep onto a mislynch with no real work behind anything other than going after tube.
Tubesock, you crazy. I said that reading me as town after those santa fluff posts was bad unless you had reasoning. I saw NB was worse than Kelsier so I switched to her.
It's also super outrageous that templar says this and then the post he sheeped gb on and agreed with to vote me was saying that i had no reason to be on nb
His filter is also littered with useless comments like when froggy returns with a list post he just ignored any of the content in it and instead just asked an irrelevant "what do you think about x" question
This dude is super scummy.
Now that we know kelsier flipped mafia, adding to this case are things like his initial rng located here:
Now, people that post rng post it in order to stick with it either in a joking way and get discussion going or in a serious manner and stick to it like glue because they are retarded (bh). Templar, after rnging it in the most suspicious way possible (not doing the division mechanics in any pre-determined way) picks out kelsier. Now, in my opinion kelsier had done crazy suspicious things like calling people town based on no meta to counter the read and also calling bats town after bats read has been proven false (as I pointed out and trfel copied for his ultimate case to lynch mafia), yet, as I was pushing ninjabunnies at the time over that read templar returned with the fluffiest post of all time:
Going back, Kelsier had led a noble-looking life for some time. As a devout Starcraft fan, he had followed many tournaments in 2013, even helping cover them through live reports. Santa knew many children that were overjoyed by that, as Kelsier had lifted immense pressure off of a few of them. Even recently, he still watched and waxed eloquent about the game, and could be considered passionate by many peoples' standards.
What had Kelsier really done wrong?
##Unvote
He never mentions ANY actual in game content about ANYONE other than they are lurkers/using posts badly:
After literally a wealth of information and posts on the 3 subjects, kelsier/bunnies and froggy he instead decides to say absolutely nothing about any of them. Kelsier isn't mentioned for content at all, froggy is mentioned for being a hypocrite with no opinion on the matter and then he unvotes kelsier to sheep onto the ninjabunnies wagon not because she was contradictory, had her top scum read or w/e in her scum list bla bla. Only because she had spent some posts talking about clothes and used 12 of 80 posts on this. You could argue this was just at the start of the posting spree on bunnies but he returned later and had an equally useless post about his top scum read:
On the sleigh ride, Santa had read this post very carefully. Ninjabunnies, along with many other people, had created her own list of who she expected to receive Christmas presents, and who would receive coal. What position was she in to determine this? Why should she do this? Santa supposed that it was a vital component of the argument taking place and that she was taking steps to ensure she was as or less likely to be placed on the naughty list compared to anyone else. Santa was not convinced, however. Why did she think these people were on the naughty list? Why had she bothered to defend the froggy one when she was going to label him Naughty for the same reason?
he STILL mentions none of the arguments but only scum reads her based on the fact she wasted some posts and posted a list????? His reads are SO surface level it's actually ridiculous. He's also busy pointing out people that are red claiming (is alakaslam a snowman? http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/472628-tl-mafia-lxix-carol-of-the-bells?page=20#400 etc) His posts are specifically intended to look like contribution, by way of length, but are instead just multiple waves of nonsense that doesn't make anyone scum and he's refused to even take part in the discussions.
his list is also pretty weird. He's like totally ignored everyone that is posting about the bunnies lynch apart from vivax (mainly me) yet posting similar things about her and has this weird list that comes out of nowhere. I'm also not ignoring the fact that he called bunnies scum for having a list of reads but then made this list, I'm also not going to ignore the fact that he calls bunnies mafia for wasting posts but doesn't even mention slams spamming slew of posts as indicative at all. Double standards are crazy and scummy. He's ignored everything that made kelsier scummy in this respect too and actually bolded him based on...? Nobody will ever know at this point because all he talked about in regards to kelsier is that he liked to write about starcraft.
The rest of his day 1 was a LOT of afking and then one of those "catch up with absolutely everything in the game" posts, yet this catch up specifically said absolutely nothing and made no conclusions whatsoever it was comment on post by post. He maintained that ninjabunnies WAS scummy and being pushed for good reasons yet, later in the game said I fell off halfway through day 1 and had no reason to be on bunnies:
Tubesock, you crazy. I said that reading me as town after those santa fluff posts was bad unless you had reasoning. I saw NB was worse than Kelsier so I switched to her.
He then AGREED with gb's case which stated that I had no proper reason to be on ninjabunnies because the points didn't make her mafia and that he DISAGREED with the other half of this case because he didn't know where I said any of the stuff gb was mentioning (which later turns out gb pulled out of his arse).
On December 13 2014 05:46 GlowingBear wrote: Templar, thoughts on my brief case on HF.
On December 13 2014 05:28 GlowingBear wrote: HF doesn't look like he is pushin town agenda, but his own self agenda. This looks much more like mafia holyflare. He points out things that aren't really mafiaish and doesn't seem to try to further identify people's alignment. His pushes aren't for solving the game. They are mostly done just to push, just to make a lynch happen, maybe.
His backtracking on froggy is weird because he kept an absolute stance regarding bunnies, who I just say sounded more null than anything, and froggy is leaning scum.
HF once came to the thread and said that we should look for people outside the NB wagon, which is ridiculous. He wasn't talking about people who WASTED their votes. He was talking about people outside the main wagon. He also said me and ritoky looked the worst. You can see he is doing a timid push on ritoky, but it really doesn't sound like he is trying to figure out his alignment. Weirdly enough, the present claim from ritoky remained unquestioned by HF. MOREOVER, he did not make ANY attempt to figure out my alignment when he said I looked bad at that time.
He is scum.
Bolded: where did he say that? Otherwise I agree with this case. HF looks worse than he did halfway through day 1
He is literally saying he agrees with gb's case that I didn't have very good reasons to be on bunnies after he was also on bunnies (with like 0 reasons???) Yet then when it starts to pick up some more, he starts saying he agrees with everything GB is saying on me. (I don't have to reiterate that following this case is ABSOLUTELY TERRIBLE if you had actually read it and fact checked it because I have destroyed this case multiple times and GB HAS STILL NOT SAID ANYTHING ABOUT MY DEFENCE 3 DAYS LATER -.- -.- -.- -.- -.-).
Currently, the naughty list is Ninjabunnies, GB, and LightningStrike from what I've seen.
It's also quite odd that if he sees that half the case is what he's guilty of and the other half doesn't make any sense and he was previously scum reading gb the night before that he'd just go full on sheep mode and say "great case".
He also has contradictory self meta whenever people call him out on it:
On December 13 2014 12:25 Vivax wrote: Tentative naughty list, it would be cool if we could lynch one of these baddies today:
- GB for this discrepancy in his case. The froggynoddy suspicion is entirely new and he doesn't look included among his scumspects. Rather fresh scumread stemming from that HF case, still have to look for more stuff thoroughly.
- TheTemplar for not being the ballsy, (scumhuntingly) talkative town templar who always gets townread D1 and mostly NKd N1. Gut based explanation, check for inconsistencies also pending here (yes I'm not going through as many filters thoroughly as I probably should yet, besides we can't lynch all of em today so I think it's fine)
- Fecalfeast for some of the stuff I found in his filter and already mentioned, plus he martyrs at various points, like during N1 and lately when he sort of expressed he doesn't care about the scumreads. But it's not the sort of righteous townie martyr when somebody is genuinely pissed off about people scumreading him or the sort, it's more like the "I don't care about the game"- martyr. Additionally he was in the focus of the night killed guys.
- Trfel for playing extremely subpar to his last game when he's capable of much much more. He doesn't want to stand in the spotlight in this game.
There's probably 5 scum since the formula for scummers is usually amount of players / 5. I don't know why people go on so much about tubesock claiming there's 5 scum being a scumslip. Scumslips are overrated in all the games I've played in save very few exceptions. Overall I find him tedious to read cause he has such a weird way of expressing himself, if I would give him a read it certainly wouldn't be cause of that.
Finding the likely 5th scum pending. Tempted to look into the direction of Oats, soultin, Kelsier for this one.
I will admit that I'm not playing like either my town or scum meta. When I'm mafia, I tend to lurk a lot and try to have reads on everyone to look like I'm trying to solve the game. Sorry I'm being inactive, stuff that happened during day 1 broke my spirit in general.
Here he says he would be crazy lurking normally as mafia and putting out reads. Yet, later, when pressure is building on him he changed it to:
Templar, slam and perhaps Oats are scummy lurkers rather than simply AFK/ town lurkers for reasons previously disclosed.
I'm not a scummy lurker because, as scum, I will always: 1. Post as much as possible, at all hours of the day in order to make myself look active. 2. Post my 'thoughts' on every player, so that I'm not clearly ignoring someone. 3. Make ridiculously long posts to justify an opinion 4. Change my behavior as soon as someone mentions it is scummy.
Regarding Vivax, he seems to have a new list of scum reads every day and it's concerning me.
being really active, posting all the time, with long drawn out posts of justification. He seems to have multiple metas thought out for all the occasions!
There's also these random tidbits on throwing accusations on vivax:
On December 18 2014 18:04 Vivax wrote: Templar ur scum with Oats HF, amirite?
There's this part in ritoky's filter where he calls you out on the fluffy posts, and it sounds entirely different from how he handles his next suspect, plus his next suspect ends up among his scumreads and you don't. Plus there's one point where he questions an OWS townread but not a townread on you.
Additionally you've been a N1 kill in every game I was in and have bled townie every time from the start.
Sorry broski but this is ggnore.
I'm pretty sure you did exactly the same thing.
On December 14 2014 15:07 Vivax wrote: Also Templar is mafia.
Like super mafia.
This post was followed by nearly 0 mention of me, for about 48-60 hours I believe. The only difference is that you quietly listed me on your scum list about 24 hours ago.
after saying absolutely nothing about him all game, sheeping his read on xatalos day 1 and vivax having the supposedly same reads as him because they both wanted to lynch me forever. It just looks like he's throwing suspicion everywhere he can.
Then you can just read the above quoted previous case I made in regards to him not giving a shit about who is lynched ever and instead pressuring tubesock EVEN THOUGH HE SAID HE COULDN'T GET HIM LYNCHED. How futile is that?
On December 14 2014 06:49 Tubesock wrote: Templar, you have been on me since the beginning of day 2. AND JUST NOW YOU VOTE OFF ME WHEN I SPAM AND DROP HUGE READS???
Why are you so concerned about this when half the people in this game saw huge walls of text and immediately town read you? You are still mafia in my eyes, don't worry.
On December 18 2014 17:50 The_Templar wrote: ##Vote: HolyFlare
Oh yeh, sheeping dat thread sentiment onto a town lynch again even though there's literally nothing he's said about me, spread suspicion onto vivax for after my flip and gb's case has been dissolved. There's no reason to be on me other than to blend and obtain another mislynch. (They only need 2 to win btw)
The Meta - ignore this section if you're a twat face
There is pretty little to go on in terms of meta in the database for templar, yet, just looking at the differences between the games, the amount of effort going into his mafia game is far more than here. Yet, so is his town game. This is congruent with what he is saying part way through the game at least. However, there's a difference in his posting styles. As town you see posts like these ones on page 4:
he seems like he's chasing up his reads, finding inconsistencies in people's posting and making sure people know it. It's not the matter of appearing to have a read on everyone, it looks like he's trying to get people to notice things that make people mafia.
You see things where he is posting reads like "i agree with this", "your posts are pretty null" and yes, you can say he has long posts as mafia too for instance here:
that look the same but when you read the actual content he isn't finding the inconsistencies within the people's posts he's instead going very surface level and just saying that he disagrees with things and that this is how they'd act in video mafia etc etc. There's no real game logic involved.
Now when you tie his meta together with this game you can see the same things. I stated earlier that all his reads were "surface level", they weren't congruent with his original thoughts. He doesn't read things properly or even bother to CHECK whether there are inconsistencies at all. You can literally see this where he disagrees with half of gb's case on me (and agrees with something that he is far more guilty of) but never follows up to see whether there was an inconsistency with what gb was saying or not, especially as he scum read GB the last day and town read me. In fact other people were left to do this and he didn't give a shit and went after tube who is no longer anywhere in his reads at all.
##vote the_templar
more to come, eventually....
After KSC flipped scum I asked him for another rng thing he got Tfrel as seen in a earlier post by Templar
On December 14 2014 11:12 LightningStrike wrote: The Templar I got a question for you Earlier in the thread you used a RNG thing to find scum and landed on KSC who turned out to be Mafia. No can you see if you can use another RNG and find the next scum?
On December 18 2014 22:19 Holyflare wrote: The_Templar
On December 15 2014 22:23 Holyflare wrote: Ok well I read templar and I'm really not enthused. He spent all of day 2 not particularly doing anything (i also noticed he said he liked kelsier but also gave the caveat that he hadn't really read the thread at all) and gave no input into literally any of the wagons at all. He was so heavily focused on Tubesock and all of his posts but never really with anything else at all. For someone who read the thread he just jumped onto my wagon with ease based on not even gb's case but a small post gb made.
If he hasn't been reading the thread he shouldn't know whether any of the case is true or not and if he did read the thread he'd know it wasn't. He also never bothered to read me at all, never bothered to even check anything about anyone but instead only attacked tubesock for voting on mafia instead of his main read which is so fucking irrelevant when the lynch was between me/ff/kelsier that i find it hard to believe he even cares who he is voting as long as it isn't kelsier.
It's really scummy that he has no real thoughts of his own and was quite happy to sheep onto a mislynch with no real work behind anything other than going after tube.
Tubesock, you crazy. I said that reading me as town after those santa fluff posts was bad unless you had reasoning. I saw NB was worse than Kelsier so I switched to her.
It's also super outrageous that templar says this and then the post he sheeped gb on and agreed with to vote me was saying that i had no reason to be on nb
His filter is also littered with useless comments like when froggy returns with a list post he just ignored any of the content in it and instead just asked an irrelevant "what do you think about x" question
This dude is super scummy.
Now that we know kelsier flipped mafia, adding to this case are things like his initial rng located here:
Now, people that post rng post it in order to stick with it either in a joking way and get discussion going or in a serious manner and stick to it like glue because they are retarded (bh). Templar, after rnging it in the most suspicious way possible (not doing the division mechanics in any pre-determined way) picks out kelsier. Now, in my opinion kelsier had done crazy suspicious things like calling people town based on no meta to counter the read and also calling bats town after bats read has been proven false (as I pointed out and trfel copied for his ultimate case to lynch mafia), yet, as I was pushing ninjabunnies at the time over that read templar returned with the fluffiest post of all time:
Going back, Kelsier had led a noble-looking life for some time. As a devout Starcraft fan, he had followed many tournaments in 2013, even helping cover them through live reports. Santa knew many children that were overjoyed by that, as Kelsier had lifted immense pressure off of a few of them. Even recently, he still watched and waxed eloquent about the game, and could be considered passionate by many peoples' standards.
What had Kelsier really done wrong?
##Unvote
He never mentions ANY actual in game content about ANYONE other than they are lurkers/using posts badly:
After literally a wealth of information and posts on the 3 subjects, kelsier/bunnies and froggy he instead decides to say absolutely nothing about any of them. Kelsier isn't mentioned for content at all, froggy is mentioned for being a hypocrite with no opinion on the matter and then he unvotes kelsier to sheep onto the ninjabunnies wagon not because she was contradictory, had her top scum read or w/e in her scum list bla bla. Only because she had spent some posts talking about clothes and used 12 of 80 posts on this. You could argue this was just at the start of the posting spree on bunnies but he returned later and had an equally useless post about his top scum read:
On the sleigh ride, Santa had read this post very carefully. Ninjabunnies, along with many other people, had created her own list of who she expected to receive Christmas presents, and who would receive coal. What position was she in to determine this? Why should she do this? Santa supposed that it was a vital component of the argument taking place and that she was taking steps to ensure she was as or less likely to be placed on the naughty list compared to anyone else. Santa was not convinced, however. Why did she think these people were on the naughty list? Why had she bothered to defend the froggy one when she was going to label him Naughty for the same reason?
he STILL mentions none of the arguments but only scum reads her based on the fact she wasted some posts and posted a list????? His reads are SO surface level it's actually ridiculous. He's also busy pointing out people that are red claiming (is alakaslam a snowman? http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/472628-tl-mafia-lxix-carol-of-the-bells?page=20#400 etc) His posts are specifically intended to look like contribution, by way of length, but are instead just multiple waves of nonsense that doesn't make anyone scum and he's refused to even take part in the discussions.
his list is also pretty weird. He's like totally ignored everyone that is posting about the bunnies lynch apart from vivax (mainly me) yet posting similar things about her and has this weird list that comes out of nowhere. I'm also not ignoring the fact that he called bunnies scum for having a list of reads but then made this list, I'm also not going to ignore the fact that he calls bunnies mafia for wasting posts but doesn't even mention slams spamming slew of posts as indicative at all. Double standards are crazy and scummy. He's ignored everything that made kelsier scummy in this respect too and actually bolded him based on...? Nobody will ever know at this point because all he talked about in regards to kelsier is that he liked to write about starcraft.
The rest of his day 1 was a LOT of afking and then one of those "catch up with absolutely everything in the game" posts, yet this catch up specifically said absolutely nothing and made no conclusions whatsoever it was comment on post by post. He maintained that ninjabunnies WAS scummy and being pushed for good reasons yet, later in the game said I fell off halfway through day 1 and had no reason to be on bunnies:
Tubesock, you crazy. I said that reading me as town after those santa fluff posts was bad unless you had reasoning. I saw NB was worse than Kelsier so I switched to her.
He then AGREED with gb's case which stated that I had no proper reason to be on ninjabunnies because the points didn't make her mafia and that he DISAGREED with the other half of this case because he didn't know where I said any of the stuff gb was mentioning (which later turns out gb pulled out of his arse).
On December 13 2014 05:59 The_Templar wrote:
On December 13 2014 05:46 GlowingBear wrote: Templar, thoughts on my brief case on HF.
On December 13 2014 05:28 GlowingBear wrote: HF doesn't look like he is pushin town agenda, but his own self agenda. This looks much more like mafia holyflare. He points out things that aren't really mafiaish and doesn't seem to try to further identify people's alignment. His pushes aren't for solving the game. They are mostly done just to push, just to make a lynch happen, maybe.
His backtracking on froggy is weird because he kept an absolute stance regarding bunnies, who I just say sounded more null than anything, and froggy is leaning scum.
HF once came to the thread and said that we should look for people outside the NB wagon, which is ridiculous. He wasn't talking about people who WASTED their votes. He was talking about people outside the main wagon. He also said me and ritoky looked the worst. You can see he is doing a timid push on ritoky, but it really doesn't sound like he is trying to figure out his alignment. Weirdly enough, the present claim from ritoky remained unquestioned by HF. MOREOVER, he did not make ANY attempt to figure out my alignment when he said I looked bad at that time.
He is scum.
Bolded: where did he say that? Otherwise I agree with this case. HF looks worse than he did halfway through day 1
He is literally saying he agrees with gb's case that I didn't have very good reasons to be on bunnies after he was also on bunnies (with like 0 reasons???) Yet then when it starts to pick up some more, he starts saying he agrees with everything GB is saying on me. (I don't have to reiterate that following this case is ABSOLUTELY TERRIBLE if you had actually read it and fact checked it because I have destroyed this case multiple times and GB HAS STILL NOT SAID ANYTHING ABOUT MY DEFENCE 3 DAYS LATER -.- -.- -.- -.- -.-).
Currently, the naughty list is Ninjabunnies, GB, and LightningStrike from what I've seen.
It's also quite odd that if he sees that half the case is what he's guilty of and the other half doesn't make any sense and he was previously scum reading gb the night before that he'd just go full on sheep mode and say "great case".
He also has contradictory self meta whenever people call him out on it:
On December 13 2014 22:54 The_Templar wrote:
On December 13 2014 12:25 Vivax wrote: Tentative naughty list, it would be cool if we could lynch one of these baddies today:
- GB for this discrepancy in his case. The froggynoddy suspicion is entirely new and he doesn't look included among his scumspects. Rather fresh scumread stemming from that HF case, still have to look for more stuff thoroughly.
- TheTemplar for not being the ballsy, (scumhuntingly) talkative town templar who always gets townread D1 and mostly NKd N1. Gut based explanation, check for inconsistencies also pending here (yes I'm not going through as many filters thoroughly as I probably should yet, besides we can't lynch all of em today so I think it's fine)
- Fecalfeast for some of the stuff I found in his filter and already mentioned, plus he martyrs at various points, like during N1 and lately when he sort of expressed he doesn't care about the scumreads. But it's not the sort of righteous townie martyr when somebody is genuinely pissed off about people scumreading him or the sort, it's more like the "I don't care about the game"- martyr. Additionally he was in the focus of the night killed guys.
- Trfel for playing extremely subpar to his last game when he's capable of much much more. He doesn't want to stand in the spotlight in this game.
There's probably 5 scum since the formula for scummers is usually amount of players / 5. I don't know why people go on so much about tubesock claiming there's 5 scum being a scumslip. Scumslips are overrated in all the games I've played in save very few exceptions. Overall I find him tedious to read cause he has such a weird way of expressing himself, if I would give him a read it certainly wouldn't be cause of that.
Finding the likely 5th scum pending. Tempted to look into the direction of Oats, soultin, Kelsier for this one.
I will admit that I'm not playing like either my town or scum meta. When I'm mafia, I tend to lurk a lot and try to have reads on everyone to look like I'm trying to solve the game. Sorry I'm being inactive, stuff that happened during day 1 broke my spirit in general.
Here he says he would be crazy lurking normally as mafia and putting out reads. Yet, later, when pressure is building on him he changed it to:
On December 17 2014 07:33 The_Templar wrote:
On December 17 2014 07:17 froggynoddy wrote:
Templar, slam and perhaps Oats are scummy lurkers rather than simply AFK/ town lurkers for reasons previously disclosed.
I'm not a scummy lurker because, as scum, I will always: 1. Post as much as possible, at all hours of the day in order to make myself look active. 2. Post my 'thoughts' on every player, so that I'm not clearly ignoring someone. 3. Make ridiculously long posts to justify an opinion 4. Change my behavior as soon as someone mentions it is scummy.
Regarding Vivax, he seems to have a new list of scum reads every day and it's concerning me.
being really active, posting all the time, with long drawn out posts of justification. He seems to have multiple metas thought out for all the occasions!
There's also these random tidbits on throwing accusations on vivax:
On December 17 2014 00:44 The_Templar wrote: I can see Vivax and ritoky. Wanna explain the other two?
On December 18 2014 18:11 The_Templar wrote:
On December 18 2014 18:04 Vivax wrote: Templar ur scum with Oats HF, amirite?
There's this part in ritoky's filter where he calls you out on the fluffy posts, and it sounds entirely different from how he handles his next suspect, plus his next suspect ends up among his scumreads and you don't. Plus there's one point where he questions an OWS townread but not a townread on you.
Additionally you've been a N1 kill in every game I was in and have bled townie every time from the start.
Sorry broski but this is ggnore.
I'm pretty sure you did exactly the same thing.
On December 14 2014 15:07 Vivax wrote: Also Templar is mafia.
Like super mafia.
This post was followed by nearly 0 mention of me, for about 48-60 hours I believe. The only difference is that you quietly listed me on your scum list about 24 hours ago.
after saying absolutely nothing about him all game, sheeping his read on xatalos day 1 and vivax having the supposedly same reads as him because they both wanted to lynch me forever. It just looks like he's throwing suspicion everywhere he can.
Then you can just read the above quoted previous case I made in regards to him not giving a shit about who is lynched ever and instead pressuring tubesock EVEN THOUGH HE SAID HE COULDN'T GET HIM LYNCHED. How futile is that?
On December 14 2014 06:54 The_Templar wrote:
On December 14 2014 06:53 Tubesock wrote:
On December 14 2014 06:52 The_Templar wrote:
On December 14 2014 06:49 Tubesock wrote: Templar, you have been on me since the beginning of day 2. AND JUST NOW YOU VOTE OFF ME WHEN I SPAM AND DROP HUGE READS???
Why are you so concerned about this when half the people in this game saw huge walls of text and immediately town read you? You are still mafia in my eyes, don't worry.
Then vote me.
I'd rather actually be able to lynch a mafia.
Where has this tube thing gone by the way?
On December 18 2014 17:50 The_Templar wrote: ##Vote: HolyFlare
Oh yeh, sheeping dat thread sentiment onto a town lynch again even though there's literally nothing he's said about me, spread suspicion onto vivax for after my flip and gb's case has been dissolved. There's no reason to be on me other than to blend and obtain another mislynch. (They only need 2 to win btw)
The Meta - ignore this section if you're a twat face
There is pretty little to go on in terms of meta in the database for templar, yet, just looking at the differences between the games, the amount of effort going into his mafia game is far more than here. Yet, so is his town game. This is congruent with what he is saying part way through the game at least. However, there's a difference in his posting styles. As town you see posts like these ones on page 4:
he seems like he's chasing up his reads, finding inconsistencies in people's posting and making sure people know it. It's not the matter of appearing to have a read on everyone, it looks like he's trying to get people to notice things that make people mafia.
You see things where he is posting reads like "i agree with this", "your posts are pretty null" and yes, you can say he has long posts as mafia too for instance here:
that look the same but when you read the actual content he isn't finding the inconsistencies within the people's posts he's instead going very surface level and just saying that he disagrees with things and that this is how they'd act in video mafia etc etc. There's no real game logic involved.
Now when you tie his meta together with this game you can see the same things. I stated earlier that all his reads were "surface level", they weren't congruent with his original thoughts. He doesn't read things properly or even bother to CHECK whether there are inconsistencies at all. You can literally see this where he disagrees with half of gb's case on me (and agrees with something that he is far more guilty of) but never follows up to see whether there was an inconsistency with what gb was saying or not, especially as he scum read GB the last day and town read me. In fact other people were left to do this and he didn't give a shit and went after tube who is no longer anywhere in his reads at all.
##vote the_templar
more to come, eventually....
After KSC flipped scum I asked him for another rng thing he got Tfrel as seen in a earlier post by Templar
On December 14 2014 11:12 LightningStrike wrote: The Templar I got a question for you Earlier in the thread you used a RNG thing to find scum and landed on KSC who turned out to be Mafia. No can you see if you can use another RNG and find the next scum?
On December 19 2014 07:13 sicklucker wrote: At first glance hf pushing voting templar seemed townie to me but I dont think so anymore. But like he has the perfect excuse to vote gb to save himself so why push him. Why not have two options and he might gain templar cred when he dies. Like im working under the assumption there is 6 mafia or maybe more in this game theres too many scummy people. hts, templar, holyflare ,oats I have each of these as like 90% scum or a role. and theirs xata and putin who have not really proved their town to me.
On December 19 2014 00:42 Holyflare wrote: I was under the assumption you'd instantly vote for templar after agreeing with the case. It's what I expect everyone to do, yet I don't really see anyone doing it. Strange (not really because he's mafia).
It's no question on who to vote for you because you just shouldn't give a shit if the cases are that good it's just lynching between 2 mafia.
I dont like this post of his.
If we kill outside of holyflare I want it to be oats or preferably hts I think just because holy isint pushing them... There all mafia to me
If HF flips town would like to go ride with me and rsoultin to lynch GB?
On December 20 2014 01:51 GlowingBear wrote: Follow my logic: Here are hosts who notifies people when they were roleblocked, independently if they have a power role or not. Roleblocker is unlikely to hold his skill; therefore, someone could have been roleblocked. I ask ritoky BEFORE ask people to claim being roleblocked so he doesn't get my plan Nobody claims being roleblocked = ritoky lied.
I don't understand how do you associate receiving a notification of being roleblocked = having a power role.
Oats, come on, you know it's a horrible mafia play to counterclaim a power role because it's a 1 for 1 trade. You know this. God...
Dude, seriously?
I associate people not receiving a notification of being roleblocked, but still knowing that they have been, with having a power role. This isn't rocket science.
You didn't ask if they received notifications. You asked people from Day 1 and Day 2 to come forward if they had been roleblocked. No more, no less.
No one is notified of being roleblocked that's why.
Honestly Rsoultin I think we better for Templar since it's clear not a lot people want to vote GB and the case from HF on Templar is pretty damning. ##Unvote ##:Vote: The_Templar
On December 20 2014 03:36 rsoultin wrote: Not consolidating right now, LS. Want to see what people actually think and what they'd be willing to do, first. But I agree with your point or I wouldn't have said I'm fine with Templar to begin with.
So can you tell me what you actually think please?
I got both GB and Templar scum after reading the case from HF before the case I was null leaning town on Templar but no I got both of them as scum.
On December 20 2014 03:36 rsoultin wrote: Not consolidating right now, LS. Want to see what people actually think and what they'd be willing to do, first. But I agree with your point or I wouldn't have said I'm fine with Templar to begin with.
So can you tell me what you actually think please?
I got both GB and Templar scum after reading the case from HF before the case I was null leaning town on Templar but no I got both of them as scum.
Fair enough. Do you have any cases of your own on people who haven't been brought up yet? Doesn't have to be polished. I just want to hear something from you that someone else hasn't already said.
Earlier I made a case on Tubesock who I still reading scum but no one here is wanting to lynch him.
On December 20 2014 03:58 rsoultin wrote: Lol wasn't Tube the one going on about getting framed for getting passed a present? I don't think he ever claimed it. So that and his "slip" are your reasons, right, LS?
Alright, I'll go with Templar cause I'm going out and not certain I'll be back for EoD.
That said, I still think GB is more likely to flip scum -shrugs- Templar has some issues, but I could see him being just an apathetic lurker all too easily, unfortunately...
##unvote ##vote Templar
His slip and his behavior was scummy before hand too.
On December 20 2014 04:04 rsoultin wrote: Build a case? If I get back in time I'll take a look. I didn't see your case in your filter, but I only went back a few pages.
On December 15 2014 13:14 GlowingBear wrote: Why aren't you voting HF, LS?
The HF case doesn't look good in my eyes and he felt very townie to me that's all.
So why Tubesock?
Tubesock acted extremely scummy since Day 2 after the lynch of 27NB and the massacre of deaths of townies and changed his posting style completely not giving up on sicklucker and me being scum when we were clearly Town as I role claimed Ghost of Christmas Present and him scum slipping telling us that they were 5 mafias instead of the earlier guessed 6 earlier in the thread Here the post of the 6 mafias idea
On December 10 2014 00:10 Tubesock wrote: Holy Moses.
I didn't think I was such a slow reader but it's been hours and I feel I will never catch up to the thread while taking notes also. I'm trying to get reads, but they are conflicting with people who I feel are pretty freaking smart sounding. Namely, Koshi and Xata.
Koshi, since you are here can you tell me more about your HTS read? I feel I'm fairly null/town on her. Namely, I believe that Froggy's plynch statement isn't meaningful. Bunny latches and basically posts it's probably bad but she thinks it's ok. Then scum lists Froggy. Then several people jump on her and later Dam asks HTS about the Froggy/plynch read. HTS replies that it's null on his part but Bunnies scum listing is scummy. HTS doesn't seem to scumlist Froggy. Then a bunch more people argue (kelsierSC, Bats, Viv others). I'd like to know why I should elevate the signifigance of HTS's reads and downplay Bunny's?
Also I think people should read this more closely from the OP:
On December 04 2014 19:32 Palmar wrote:
Setup Information
All the roles below can be present in the game, and no role has any sort of a guarantee that it exists in the game. There may for example be three Ghosts of Christmas Yet To Come, no other Ghosts and no Scrooge, yet Marley might be present. In the same sense, there may be Disgruntled Christmas Workers without any Santas or Branch Managers. There may also be multiple instances of the same role.
It appears that given bad enough RNG we could have 6 Marlows, or 6 Mass Murderers, or 0.
Which makes me wonder why we had a Scrooge claim?? It makes me wonder if any claims will matter as we can have multiples...so why not counterclaim?
Here the post of his scum slip of saying 5 instead
On December 12 2014 10:37 Tubesock wrote:
On December 12 2014 09:53 Alakaslam wrote:
##kelsierSC
Yes
YES.
He is of the 5.
Here is him assuring it's 5 mafias QUOTE]On December 12 2014 11:41 Tubesock wrote:
On December 12 2014 11:16 The_Templar wrote: Not seeing Kelsier being mafia unless someone points out why. His cases make sense and he's putting in some effort, but I haven't read the thread carefully.
I don't like LS, as he was 'passively' blue hunting and hasn't really done much besides link people's metas in an attempt to look helpful. He did claim a role though...
On December 12 2014 10:37 Tubesock wrote:
On December 12 2014 09:53 Alakaslam wrote:
##kelsierSC
Yes
YES.
He is of the 5.
5? Not 6? Please explain why you said 5 ##Vote
Oooh let's dance. GB, Slick, and now YOU are here to "pressure" and with your buddy KelsierSC on the wagon.
4 of 5. Is it my 5 or the games 5? Does it matter? No. Oh, wait, you are here to pressure me as your naughty friend Sicklucker's silly ##Vote: Tubesock didn't work. 5 of 5, 5 of mine or the games? Now does it matter? No.
Put in some effort. Defend KelsierSC or sink him now. The choice is yours. Distance or closeness. Answer that, should be easy, there is A LOT of content. Then we have a dance. I'll be here. When's your next "test"? How long you here? Huh, you here for 1 response or sticking around to REALLY DIG FOR SOME SCUM????
When KSC did flipped KSC flipped scum and he did say KSC was 1 out of 5 So clearly he got to be mafia at this point which is why I voting for him right now. Fixed formatting.
On December 20 2014 05:20 Tubesock wrote: I'm here.
I have no problem voting HF or Templar. I don't think Templar has done anything towny. I think HF is mafia's ringleader still, and needs to flip one way or the other. We lynch Templar today, then I think we will spend the next three days arguing about HF and GB. If we lynch either HF or GB, then we will probably spend like 10 posts on lynching Templar. It doesn't sound like many people are towning him.
I don't understand why HF will argue for so long with Sicklucker if it isn't to set something up. HF said something like "Fine, I sent my present. Happy Birthday." And the donkey that I am thought he was talking to me since TL changed my icon to happy birthday. So, I thought it was a set up. Anyway, I don't really understand why HF won't say who he was talking to, but I also don't think it matters.
I still think HF, Sick, and Templar are scum. GlowingBear is looking scummier too, but I'm not quite willing to vote him yet over those other three.
Also, why do people think that everytime someone says "I'm sending a present" they are telling the truth? I don't think Sicklucker had a present to give Damdred. IT was just a nice cover to execute him.
If you don't think damdred died to a present, please outline the night kills in a way that makes sense.
There were 5 night kills. We know there was 1 vig (OWS) We know there were 2 scum with extra KSs (KSC-Branch Manager and ritoky MassMurderer) We know that after these 2 died, mafia still had their 2 auto KPs.
That accounts for the 5 night kills No one had to die to a present
xP Sorry Tube, no, I don't know that's what happened, but there's hardly a reason for scum not to try to get shots off on the first night, so it's likely that the ones with extra KSs did make kills.
The OP says only claimed disgruntled workers can be shot.
I talked to the cohost and he told me that the Branch Manager can shoot non claimed Disgruntled Workers too at a lucky guess if the person they shot wasn't a Disgruntled Person the shot would fail and they loose the bullet
Sorry rsoultin I was just getting Egg Nog and I like the tubesock train a lot. Idk if we can get enough votes for him but I will try! ##Unvote ##Vote: Tubesock
Wow Tubesock really wasn't a good town T_T We need to think about tomorrows Lynch or Lose. Tubesock I sorry but those slips made me look at you way to scummy sorry bro T_T
On December 20 2014 08:36 LightningStrike wrote: Wow Tubesock really wasn't a good town T_T We need to think about tomorrows Lynch or Lose. Tubesock I sorry but those slips made me look at you way to scummy sorry bro T_T
NO SHIT SHEEP ME PUTIN IS LOSING US THIS GAME
I was the one who put the case on Tubesock I should be blamed for his demise.
On December 20 2014 08:36 LightningStrike wrote: Wow Tubesock really wasn't a good town T_T We need to think about tomorrows Lynch or Lose. Tubesock I sorry but those slips made me look at you way to scummy sorry bro T_T
NO SHIT SHEEP ME PUTIN IS LOSING US THIS GAME
Yo, we should be both on the same team, bro. Make sense and I'll sheep you.
Do you want him to make sense just as you did in this lynch? If so, PLEASE, VOTE KIM KARDASHIAN
I would rather vote Justin Bieber thank very much.
On December 20 2014 08:36 LightningStrike wrote: Wow Tubesock really wasn't a good town T_T We need to think about tomorrows Lynch or Lose. Tubesock I sorry but those slips made me look at you way to scummy sorry bro T_T
NO SHIT SHEEP ME PUTIN IS LOSING US THIS GAME
Yo, we should be both on the same team, bro. Make sense and I'll sheep you.
Do you want him to make sense just as you did in this lynch? If so, PLEASE, VOTE KIM KARDASHIAN
I would rather vote Justin Bieber thank you very much.
On December 20 2014 10:09 Holyflare wrote: I've never been more frustrated in a game of mafia in my life because the majority of people that are on me literally are not playing mafia in the slightest and have no ability to discuss, talk through points or use basic logic. It's infuriating. Your read is wrong.
What about me HF? I know I built a case on a mislynch and all but seriously what you think of me?
Templar: Scum from looking on HF case HF: Town he was leading the town Day 1 and 2 although he seemed off the last few days but he been busy which I can understand because it's christmas time.
On December 22 2014 11:01 GlowingBear wrote: LS, can you explain me how did you vote Tubesock if you had a scumread on Templar, and why did you vote with the guy you had a scumread on (considering Templar voted Tubesock all the game long and ended voting on him last day)
I had scum read both tbh with you, To tell you the truth I thought we weren't going to get enough on templar in time so I went with my other scum read which was Tubesock that why my voted swap from Templar to Tubesock.
On December 22 2014 11:01 GlowingBear wrote: LS, can you explain me how did you vote Tubesock if you had a scumread on Templar, and why did you vote with the guy you had a scumread on (considering Templar voted Tubesock all the game long and ended voting on him last day)
On December 22 2014 11:01 GlowingBear wrote: LS, can you explain me how did you vote Tubesock if you had a scumread on Templar, and why did you vote with the guy you had a scumread on (considering Templar voted Tubesock all the game long and ended voting on him last day)
I had scum read both tbh with you, To tell you the truth I thought we weren't going to get enough on templar in time so I went with my other scum read which was Tubesock that why my voted swap from Templar to Tubesock.
Poor excuse, Templar was leading the votes if I remember correctly and if it wasn't for Tubesock ridiculous shenannies, he would probably be lynched.
I wanted to see LS' response, too. However, GB, faulty reasoning or not (and I think it had more to do with me calling for the shenannies than anything) if there's one ghost in the game, there's probably more than one. LS is less likely to be scum than even FF.
WIFOM. I could say that I'd there are 2 ghosts in the game, there is more likely to be three, and the third hasn't claimed yet.
Like it or not I am the 2nd ghost for town. As I said earlier I am the Ghost of Christmas Present and that's my role and I only useful for voting T_T
On December 22 2014 11:54 rsoultin wrote: hrum...I could lynch Templar, but I don't know that he's the best lynch right now, slam. Is that all you have? The lurking? Cause he wasn't really active early, either. Just a couple giant-ass posts.
Templar mainly posted fluff and hinted at ksc being scum earlier in one of his mini stories.
I going with just go for HTS with HF and sicklucker despite it stinging more than it should but sometimes life gives you lemons. ##Unvote ##Vote Half the Sky
On December 23 2014 07:01 LightningStrike wrote: I going with just go for HTS with HF and sicklucker despite it stinging more than it should but sometimes life gives you lemons. ##Unvote ##Vote Half the Sky
HE JUST CLAIMED NIGELLA HE JUST CLAIMED NIGELLA TITTY SAVIOUR
When I made the post I didn't see the claim but now I see the claim and who he protected Night 2 I believe him because everything made sense on why ritoky made such a weird claim on the bullet. ##Unvote ##Vote Holyflare
On December 23 2014 07:17 GlowingBear wrote: What did you think of Tubesock?
Like I said before, null. He was all over the place but I wanted to give him the benefit of the doubt in the end but I didn't see town in him.
What I did D4 was stupid, and when this game is over, or if I step into him in Obs QT (seeing as I am getting lynched tonight) the first thing I will do is apologise to him. I acted upon impulse, without thinking, and now I deserve what is coming to me.
You're not getting lynched no worries my sweet heart!
On December 23 2014 07:23 GlowingBear wrote: I think it's fair enough, I've read the vote counts and it matches your story.
What I'm getting a little hesitant is that you want to lynch HF over confirmed scum. Why?
because HF is confirmed scum too.
Tell me why.
Your case and HTS case on HF just makes me feel he is confirmed scum. His behavior seemed shaky with him afking while no one mentions but when he is mentioned he go to active mode. Would be weird behavior as town.
On December 23 2014 07:28 GlowingBear wrote: HTS, again, how do you know there was a confirmed save and a confirmed RB?
Night 2 - I protected Rasputin - Ritoky says D3 that he tried to shoot Rasputin and then backtracked on it. Remember for N2, scum had 3 kp - 2 default faction kills and the MM, who only died D3.
Night 4 - I RBed Xatalos and there was one less death in the D5 results. Additionally Fecalfeast shot him and the shot did not register.
On December 23 2014 07:28 GlowingBear wrote: HTS, again, how do you know there was a confirmed save and a confirmed RB?
Night 2 - I protected Rasputin - Ritoky says D3 that he tried to shoot Rasputin and then backtracked on it. Remember for N2, scum had 3 kp - 2 default faction kills and the MM, who only died D3.
Night 4 - I RBed Xatalos and there was one less death in the D5 results. Additionally Fecalfeast shot him and the shot did not register.
You saying FF is scum or something?
No, what I did N4 vindicates FF, FF is town. Xatalos is scum. FF claimed shooting Xatalos D5 when we all saw that only one, Vivax had died.
FF is confirmed town, and Xatalos is confirmed scum. FF had the present KP and opted to shoot Xatalos. I did not know he had the KP. He claimed a present.
I thought Ritoky claimed he gotten the Present with the KP?
On December 23 2014 07:28 GlowingBear wrote: HTS, again, how do you know there was a confirmed save and a confirmed RB?
Night 2 - I protected Rasputin - Ritoky says D3 that he tried to shoot Rasputin and then backtracked on it. Remember for N2, scum had 3 kp - 2 default faction kills and the MM, who only died D3.
Night 4 - I RBed Xatalos and there was one less death in the D5 results. Additionally Fecalfeast shot him and the shot did not register.
You saying FF is scum or something?
No, what I did N4 vindicates FF, FF is town. Xatalos is scum. FF claimed shooting Xatalos D5 when we all saw that only one, Vivax had died.
FF is confirmed town, and Xatalos is confirmed scum. FF had the present KP and opted to shoot Xatalos. I did not know he had the KP. He claimed a present.
I thought Ritoky claimed he gotten the Present with the KP?
Wait he could of lied about that since his role allows himself to have a 2nd KP.
On December 23 2014 07:28 GlowingBear wrote: HTS, again, how do you know there was a confirmed save and a confirmed RB?
Night 2 - I protected Rasputin - Ritoky says D3 that he tried to shoot Rasputin and then backtracked on it. Remember for N2, scum had 3 kp - 2 default faction kills and the MM, who only died D3.
Night 4 - I RBed Xatalos and there was one less death in the D5 results. Additionally Fecalfeast shot him and the shot did not register.
You saying FF is scum or something?
whhhhhhhhhaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaattttttttttttt?
FF, relax, I cleared that up for him. You are confirmed town.
I surprised you called me a guy considering some stuff >.>
On December 23 2014 07:28 GlowingBear wrote: HTS, again, how do you know there was a confirmed save and a confirmed RB?
Night 2 - I protected Rasputin - Ritoky says D3 that he tried to shoot Rasputin and then backtracked on it. Remember for N2, scum had 3 kp - 2 default faction kills and the MM, who only died D3.
Night 4 - I RBed Xatalos and there was one less death in the D5 results. Additionally Fecalfeast shot him and the shot did not register.
You saying FF is scum or something?
whhhhhhhhhaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaattttttttttttt?
FF, relax, I cleared that up for him. You are confirmed town.
I surprised you called me a guy considering some stuff >.>
On December 23 2014 07:28 GlowingBear wrote: HTS, again, how do you know there was a confirmed save and a confirmed RB?
Night 2 - I protected Rasputin - Ritoky says D3 that he tried to shoot Rasputin and then backtracked on it. Remember for N2, scum had 3 kp - 2 default faction kills and the MM, who only died D3.
Night 4 - I RBed Xatalos and there was one less death in the D5 results. Additionally Fecalfeast shot him and the shot did not register.
You saying FF is scum or something?
No, what I did N4 vindicates FF, FF is town. Xatalos is scum. FF claimed shooting Xatalos D5 when we all saw that only one, Vivax had died.
FF is confirmed town, and Xatalos is confirmed scum. FF had the present KP and opted to shoot Xatalos. I did not know he had the KP. He claimed a present.
I thought Ritoky claimed he gotten the Present with the KP?
Wait he could of lied about that since his role allows himself to have a 2nd KP.
Mind blown? LOLOLOLOL
The present stuff and the MM 2nd KP is makign my head spin faster than Mercury orbiting the sun T_T
On December 23 2014 07:40 LightningStrike wrote: The present stuff and the MM 2nd KP is makign my head spin faster than Mercury orbiting the sun T_T
Read the OP - scum had 3 kp that night. MM can deliver BOTH the faction kill and his own kill. 2 KP is the default formula, third is MM which is additional KP.
Ya I know but I guess my head spinning is mostly from 1. Playing 2 games at once. 2. Present stuff from past days. 3. Tubesock being town when he looked scummier than me on Campus Mafia.
On December 23 2014 07:40 LightningStrike wrote: The present stuff and the MM 2nd KP is makign my head spin faster than Mercury orbiting the sun T_T
Read the OP - scum had 3 kp that night. MM can deliver BOTH the faction kill and his own kill. 2 KP is the default formula, third is MM which is additional KP.
Ya I know but I guess my head spinning is mostly from 1. Playing 2 games at once. 2. Present stuff from past days. 3. Tubesock being town when he looked scummier than me on Campus Mafia.
Tip 1: Don't play 2 games at the same time Tip 2: NEVER play 2 games at the same time if you're newbie Tip 3: Get coached by me
Ps: Tubesock was totes town
But I can't get coached by you once either of the games end
On December 23 2014 07:50 sicklucker wrote: So I sapose were just killing hf? Oh well wanted to toy with him some. Its still kind of an unnecessary risk but hf feel apart here.
It's not worth it. I know Vivax brought up the part about making his gf yell at him...no. I'm not that cruel.
My other half thankfully doesn't mind my playing forum mafia though. I've told him to try the next student game, surely he couldn't be any worse than me.
Your other half O_o What the hell is this sorcery?
On December 23 2014 07:54 sicklucker wrote: Well another wellplayed game hts I knew there was something off about you tho...
Her being off is normal from being VT to a Power Role that would needed. Ofc she had act different to avoid suspicion of her being a town member and lay low.
On December 23 2014 07:56 rsoultin wrote: Lol figured she might be. only hts would think i was woth protecting <3 and i thought ritoky may not be lying about who he tried to shoot. thanks hts
Ritoky did a bigger blooper than batsnacks in Student IV
On December 23 2014 08:09 Xatalos wrote: It's over. Well played HTS, you hid your role well. As a sidenote, the reason why we didn't kill you earlier was because you didn't say that you were townreading Vivax D1/N1. So well done.
On December 23 2014 08:09 Xatalos wrote: It's over. Well played HTS, you hid your role well. As a sidenote, the reason why we didn't kill you earlier was because you didn't say that you were townreading Vivax D1/N1. So well done.
Thanks Xatalos. And GGs to you and the rest of the team as well. You lot gave us a serious run, that.
I'll be honest, I actually hate playing power roles. And to RNG one in my second go here...I was in panic mode D1 and people started jumping on me for it. It was not good.
I want to be free as a VT to think out loud and try and solve the game, and not fear getting town screwed over because it seems like Palmar games punish mistakes hard, like losing PRs. So this was challenging in that sense.
On December 23 2014 08:17 LightningStrike wrote: HTS how did you read me before the lynch of HF?
I had you as slight town. You said confirmed, but I felt a lot of your posts were rushed and forced, and I couldn't tell why at times, it also seemed you were sheeping a lot.
My cases were rather weak on my scum reads that why I sheeped a bit >.> I did push Tobesock and paid the price of letting the roleblocker live another day T_T Some of my posts were forced too tbh with you.
On December 23 2014 08:20 sicklucker wrote: So I did kill dandred with that present. Brliantttt
No, these were the N1 actions:
RB LightningStrike Scrooge-kill Kush Faction kill kita sent by KelsierSC Faction kill Vivax sent by Xatalos Mass Murderer kill Damdred Branch Manager kill Koshi
Why you picked me to be roleblocked In the end my role didn't matter.
On December 23 2014 08:25 Xatalos wrote: rsoultin: You were definitely good at creating constructive discussion. Unfortunately your reads were pretty off target throughout the game. But I guess it wasn't all that easy to figure out me&HF were scum... HF especially put a lot of effort into some of his posts.
On December 23 2014 08:20 sicklucker wrote: So I did kill dandred with that present. Brliantttt
No, these were the N1 actions:
RB LightningStrike Scrooge-kill Kush Faction kill kita sent by KelsierSC Faction kill Vivax sent by Xatalos Mass Murderer kill Damdred Branch Manager kill Koshi
Why you picked me to be roleblocked In the end my role didn't matter.
You hinted at being a role during D1 I think.
Then I made you waste a roleblock on a horrible role so I saved HTS from being RB'd Day 1 ^_^
On December 23 2014 08:25 Xatalos wrote: rsoultin: You were definitely good at creating constructive discussion. Unfortunately your reads were pretty off target throughout the game. But I guess it wasn't all that easy to figure out me&HF were scum... HF especially put a lot of effort into some of his posts.
Any tips for me?
Hmm... I guess putting more effort into analysing stuff yourself and focusing on actually scummy motivations rather than dumb things that don't make much sense to do as scum (like Tube's crazy posting frenzies). Coaching could help with those things? You were pretty easily swayed by long cases which means you weren't very confident in your own opinions (that's understandable though). That also meant it didn't make much sense for us to kill you.
This will be my 3rd complete game and 1st win too :O So I can't get coached unless someone will vouch for me to get coached in a noobie game I wasn't convenient in my scum reading because I had no chance to really do it in Campus Mafia and was Scum in Student IV
On December 23 2014 10:40 Palmar wrote: That being said, I want to emphasize once again. This game had some of the best townplay in a large game I've seen on TL in a long time. Vivax, Lian, sicklucker, Damdred, GB, HTS, Trfel (he was too good for his own good...), the list goes on of townies who at one point or other showed real insight.
I never had good insight in this game tbh with you so I don't deserve much credit for this win because I fucked up and lynched Tubesock.
I found it funny I had my Day 1 EoD vote on scum but town didn't go for it. I knew Oats was off and I brought his past games as both scum and town but as a request from HTS because she wanted more than just the Student Mafia IV game to see we could make a meta case on him being scum but it failed At least we still won.
On December 23 2014 11:01 rsoultin wrote: Yeeaaah i have a few blindspots >< once he calmed down i started paying more attention to him -goes and sits in the corner-
Don't sit in a corner I fucked up just as bad as you. Let's just take this game as a learning experience.
On December 23 2014 10:59 LightningStrike wrote: Also Palmar any tips?
Work on your convincing skills. Try to consolidate your posts and when you have an idea, try to find someone to talk the idea through with you. If you're having trouble getting people to believe in your reads, find someone you think can help you lead town, and engage him personally.
"Hey X, I have this theory that this guy is mafia, and here are my reasons:
a) he's a dickbutt b) he's a buttdick c) butterflies
What do you think of this? Do you think this is valid?"
This kinda forces that other player to interact with you, and helps get your reads noticed.
I never thought about that to be honest with you. Well that will be a big boost for me in later games. Thanks!
Ya the spoiled posts really made me want to ignore him although I did mention in the game it's his meta. Also I still want you to coach me GlowingBear!