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turned out he was cop. I seem to have a talent for pinging out the cop as town | ||
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I am highly offended by this word someone may have black ancestors so the word is really bad regardless of context huehuehue | ||
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On December 09 2014 08:14 ritoky wrote: i feel like nicki minaj would make some bomb christmas carols. feeling hot in my lace, do put some snow on my face. yeh I'm kind of a linguist | ||
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On December 09 2014 08:15 27ninjabunnies wrote: We got 17 days til Christmas yo  But that means if my hot date likes me, I might get presents for Christmas time. #myplanisflawless yeh but you have to get her a present aswell and that is always a minefield. bitches love slippers though | ||
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On December 09 2014 08:18 The_Templar wrote: Santa prepared to ride his sleigh around the world, delivering his christmas gifts to all the joyful children as well as their parents and grandparents. However, Santa knew that there was a fault with his Naughty/Nice list. Someone who was listed as nice was hiding in the shadows, and he could not deliver presents to that person. But who could it be? It was a light snowfall at the North Pole, where Santa pondered this mystery. He went down the list of suspects. "The_Templar can not be it... he is exempt from Christmas entirely. He is neither naughty nor nice. How unfortunate for him. Could it be kushm4sta? He has lurked in the shadows a lot, and has made it difficult for me to determine whether he is naughty or nice. Perhaps Vivax? I was all wrong about him last year. He should get extra presents this year if he really belongs on the nice list." Santa did not know. However, not all hope was lost. Santa pinned the list of suspects, 26 in total, to the wall with a partly eaten candy cane. He then walked outside where his reindeer were waiting, gathered a snowball, placed a small rock inside the snowball, and walked back inside. Santa then closed his eyes and threw the snowball at the list. Upon opening his eyes, he saw that he had actually missed entirely. One of the reindeer giggled upon looking through the window. However, not all was lost. Santa's snowball had hit the wall above his list, and somehow, snow had splattered all over the wall, covering one of the names entirely. Santa wiped the snow off the list. "So, Kelsier's name was hidden from the list...? Perhaps he is the one." Santa went to investigate further into Kelsier's recent Naughty/Nice related doings with newfound suspicion of him. dude 10\10 for effort. I'm town but that story was great | ||
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On December 09 2014 08:20 27ninjabunnies wrote: Cough Cough I'm the female in this relationship. And I'd get slippers as long as they are bunny slippers. (Is the really a cap on posts? Lol I should really read better) my bad, slippers are a good new relationship gift though. Don't hate, i wouldn't go bunny because it sends a interpretable message. post count is large enough that jokes and shit is fine at the start. I don't like someone making an excuse this early to not play the game | ||
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On December 09 2014 08:25 Damdred wrote: Ritoky, HF, Templar are in my town pile. Slam is tentatively town Froggynoddy is in scum pile Bats I thought you weren't goin to make the opening salvo? i like how you can already split your town and tentative town | ||
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On December 09 2014 08:30 27ninjabunnies wrote: Pshh, I used to own a Victoria's secret push up bra. They aren't that great  i disagree | ||
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On December 09 2014 08:33 27ninjabunnies wrote: Idk, my boobs are so like... big anyways, they just fall out of any bra I wear. It's terrible. VS bras do nothing for me unfortunately. Plus they are hella expensive. that does sound terrible | ||
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On December 09 2014 08:47 Holyflare wrote: Well no. You said people talking about lynching lurkers are "off" and he was an "easy target to look scummy" which is already a contradiction in one post and now you are saying you know what he said and it doesn't look bad and people are making mountains out of mole hills which is a contradiction with your first post. There's a great deal of backtracking in what you are saying and I don't like it. where is the contradiction? she seems to be saying other people might find it scummy \flag him but she doesn't think it is? | ||
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templar is my top town all game idgaf | ||
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On December 09 2014 09:10 Holyflare wrote: Do you know how I play as mafia? This seems pretty baseless if you do and even more so if you don't. i saw you play town and this feels like town, I'm happy with the read for d1 | ||
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this game i make a set up comment, then retract it and ff doesn't bat n eyelid. All he does is talk to slam about sumo. Which is pretty pointless. Like "herez an excuse nit to scumhunt" it doesn't feel towny at all | ||
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he definitely doesn't study for the test he is too bored and too cool | ||
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On December 09 2014 09:44 Damdred wrote: So scum can't point things out that are really null? Bats pointed out 4 things and said someone looked horrible for it when other people have near the same stance. So why such a easy town pass for bats yeh people always say that but he analysed what she was saying and pointed out flaws, no one else did that and that is good d1 town play. I also dont like hts so | ||
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On December 09 2014 09:56 Holyflare wrote: If he was thinking along these lines then why did he neglect to mention anyone else that was following the same train of thought?? Why is it scummy to agree with someone but then also scum read them? (hint: its not) why is he even scum reading bunnies in the first place because from what we've said it's because she was taking weird contradictory stances on a player that looked scummy which an overwhelming amount of time makes that player being defended actually town. Not to mention we are scum reading bunnies for CHANGING her stance in the list post to accomodate what everyone had been saying and to "blend" in. You have strange reads kelsier, not liking the lack of thought at all. Would lynch list: bunnies, kelsier who else had the same train of thought? my d1 read if town as bats isn't super detailed? Wow shocker. I'm happy adding bats to my town circle d1 | ||
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On December 09 2014 09:57 The_Templar wrote: The also town thing was already discussed. Which points does she make similarly to NB? discussed but doesn't mean I like the explanation | ||
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On December 09 2014 10:01 rsoultin wrote: Becaaaaauuuse? He posted a list and said nope nope nope? already gave my reasons go read | ||
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On December 09 2014 10:05 Holyflare wrote: Vivax had the same train of thought. Like even more elaborated. He wasn't mentioned at all. I'm pretty sure I elaborated I didnt care about him over nb either but im not mentioned. Although that might have been later (he has made no return which is annoying), i think damd said something too maybe. The point is he doesnt acknowledge anything like this at all and just tries to pass off something that isnt scummy as scummy and then you town read him for it which doesn't make sense at all. You are throwing out a lot of easy reads based on little information and it doesn't look good for you my friend. i gave you and bats as town right my ff read isn't an easy read at all. so I'm not throwing out easy reads at all. Anyway I explained bats did the analysis on hts and it felt towny to me. Plus his manner feels like the other town games bats has played | ||
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On December 09 2014 10:08 rsoultin wrote: Didn't like your reasons. Maybe you have some more. Or different ones. Or ones that make sense. Is there a return policy at this store? I'm happy with my reasons i think my read is pretty solid for d1 | ||
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nb, dam... Who else | ||
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On December 09 2014 10:15 Holyflare wrote: You gave me a town read based on meta that is incomplete and didn't really factor in any game info other than "pressuring" which when you couple with my actual meta would mean nothing at all. Yet, when I say otherwise you somehow know it's still "town" Holyflare pressure rather than mafia. Your bats read as I explained to anyone looking critically does not make any sense at all but he's still a d1 town list. I can see you making an analysis point on him but what about the stuff I just explained? Why was he still a town read after I pointed out he was picking and choosing who scum were based on absolutely nothing (he even just admitted it)! well no i dont have perfect information on you. But if your play feels like it did when you are town, and you do towny actions then I'm happy,d1 to add you to my town circle. That us what i did with you and bats. yes bats didn't analyze vixen, but he did anslyse hts and i agreed with it, it reminded me of town bats. i generally. Make a large town circle d1, my ff read was using specific information about his play d1 | ||
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like he isn't a lynch but you can't take what he says seriously. | ||
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On December 09 2014 10:25 sicklucker wrote: My naught list - FF hes very mean My nice list! - Kelsier, dandred , gb can you explain why gb is nice please | ||
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On December 09 2014 10:30 Holyflare wrote: Can you explain why you agree with his hts conclusion when I just explained how wrong it was? because they both said the original post was null, then hts called nb scummy, that is how i analysed it | ||
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On December 09 2014 10:33 Holyflare wrote: You should also stop wasting your time trying to read slam and just try and make him interact with you about this game instead. He can actually play mafia and says insightful things. I'm not reading slam. But the free town passes he is getting are good info. especially people who call him semi town.. Wtf is that | ||
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On December 09 2014 10:36 Holyflare wrote: So you don't agree with anything that's been said in regards to ninjabunnies other than that???? Have you just missed the whole discussion?? no i think you argued the case correctly and your points are fair. But i still town read bats so i don't understand your point | ||
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On December 09 2014 10:39 rsoultin wrote: Big generous town circles do not include Chupazi? Racist! slam hasn't done anything though | ||
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the instant gut reaction is that , that is scummy. Bats had that reaction, i had the same reaction. if you analyse deeper then yeh it doesn't make hts scummy for that reason at least. But does it make bats scum? Not in my eyes | ||
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On December 09 2014 10:56 Holyflare wrote: Enough said dude. Why aren't you voting anyone? i dont early vote as a general rule. Unless the game is totally stagnant I'm still forming my town circle s | ||
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On December 09 2014 10:57 rsoultin wrote: Towny play, or Damdred calling him out and has to perform play? going to add rsoul to my town circle for this and a few other reasons. firstly this post is good he noted dam pinged bats, then bats spoke. I don't think the two events connect, but it is a town paying attention to little details. he did the same thing when i didn't add slam to my town circle something like 'giant town circle no chipazi" then..and this is kind of personal opinion. He came in mid thread and was aggressive and pretty rude..in my opinion that is swashbuckling town. i haven't played with him before si this read isn't god tier but im happy calling him town d1 | ||
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town - hf,bats,rs, nl- slam,templar | ||
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nl means not lynch, it is basically people that I haven't called town so I probably don't use their input as much but for other reasons (amusing stories/impossible to read) I am not going to lynch them, so templar and slam end up in this category. @slam, my thing about "scrooge should claim" was basically to try and get an early read on ff, I didn't actually believe the idea. For dam, I have a specific way of reading him d2 but I would agree that his posting and questioning is town orientated so far so i'm going to put dam as town d1, the only thing I don't like is calling slam tentative town. Makes no sense to me. For the people that posted since I went to bed. I think kit is pretty town. I think his introductory reads are solid, I guess there is nothing revolutionary in them but then his interaction about SLPresentGate and his developed bunny read felt town, so kit town for d1. so just to clarify this present thing, joyful child is just named vt right it doesn't actually have anything to do with presents? and the presents are just randomised d1. | ||
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On December 09 2014 17:16 Fecalfeast wrote: Do you still read me mafia based on that dumb stuff you said? Kush claimed to have won the game and to know the setup. You just said scrooge should claim because you found a mystery hole in the setup. Yeh I do | ||
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On December 09 2014 17:37 Fecalfeast wrote: Honestly I think it sounds like TMI, I'm not projecting towniness unless he is reading my last few town games. I don't care about his scum/null list tbh I agree you aren't projecting towniness, so you ask him specifically about his town pass on slam and GB, then you agree with me that a lot of his town list makes no sense. Which to me is like a beacon going wtf is this. But you don't care about who he calls scum/null? He has SL as scummy right i'm interested to know what you make of that. He also has ritoky and nb as nul because he needs more info but has other very easy town reads. | ||
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On December 09 2014 19:04 Oatsmaster wrote: btw vivax is scum if you don't do anything at all except say things like "wow thread is long" don't be surprised if no one gives a shit about your one liners. explain read | ||
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I'm going to put Koshi in my town circle, this post was really good and looked like town, "convince me why these people are town" not "your reads are bad so you are scum" . I agree with almost his entire list of reads so pretty happy calling him town now. | ||
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I also like his questioning of HTS and ls, specifically were he questioned HTS about her kush read and the flip from town-scum. | ||
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On December 10 2014 04:30 Damdred wrote: I'm not sure that he is town but he has enough of a direction and questioning peoples motives posts and tries to push the thread i wouldn't really be interested in lynching him today unless someone put a really good case together I remember how he entered the thread though and it left a bad impression on me On December 09 2014 11:38 Oatsmaster wrote: I was not ready for the sheer volume of posts On December 09 2014 18:32 Oatsmaster wrote: lol what in the world kush On December 09 2014 19:04 Oatsmaster wrote: btw vivax is scum specifically the last pst which is kind of out of the blue after shit posting. Since then I haven't found anything that towny, he argued with hf about nb saying that nb didn't do anything remotely scummy. I mean if you look at the nb post, it is almost objectively scummy. The vivax discussion is actually ok and I think that angle is kind of towny but his initial entry just felt bad. I wouldn't be happy with him in my town circle at this point. | ||
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I'm curious that you call my play "one liners " considering all my reads have been well explained. Is there a read i didn't explain enough for you. you said something like "he needs to learn how to read me" that is really scummy, how have you projected town, what have you done that allows him to read you perfectly. . It strikes me as fake indignation that anyone can find you scum | ||
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On December 10 2014 08:55 27ninjabunnies wrote: No I'm gonna try and convince yall I'm town, but it seems as if no one is listening to me anyway, so I might just have to claim. What did you think about my read on Vivax? More specifically, what is your read? Also, you mentioned earlier in the game about a read on Slam. You found it stupid there were people calling him town. What is your read on him as of this page? i think your viv read is bad, i dont understand what you are saying, he is town because of -link to post, why is that post towny, viv isn't in my town circle i dont read slam d1 | ||
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my scrooge play was to get a specific read on ff i explained that before. Outside of that i have given lots of good town reads, all of which are developed reads not one liners, weird misrepresentation of my play again. If you need more explanation , ask. fyi a guy talking to a girl isn't flirting, grow up. | ||
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On December 10 2014 09:21 27ninjabunnies wrote: Awww, but babe. I thought we were having fun. only scum have fun apparently. | ||
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I'm going to finish off my town circle tomorrow morning and then lynch into whoever is left. I'm going to add templar to my town circle, initially he was nl for his story, but his posts did have reads and i really like his reentry post, i agree with all his reads, he doesn't like gb, doesn't like ls, on my phone can't remember 3rd read...maybe it was nb. Ah i knew i liked it though. its interesting 2 people , one after the other, say my play is one liners or fluffy but ive actually made plays and given substantial reads rather than just spam inane bs in spoiler tags. | ||
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Firstly people who are scum reading me for my scrooge comment , specifically viven and rasputin, you don't realise I never actually noticed a hole in the set up but then retracted it is just a reaction test. viv then goes on to say that I didn't follow up on ff, This is completely false On December 09 2014 17:41 KelsierSC wrote: I agree you aren't projecting towniness, so you ask him specifically about his town pass on slam and GB, then you agree with me that a lot of his town list makes no sense. Which to me is like a beacon going wtf is this. But you don't care about who he calls scum/null? He has SL as scummy right i'm interested to know what you make of that. He also has ritoky and nb as nul because he needs more info but has other very easy town reads. On December 10 2014 04:02 KelsierSC wrote: Also FF what did you make of the HTS, NB , froggy interactions? I pointed out flaws in his logic and have asked follow up questions which he hasn't answered yet. I have called ff one of my scum so saying I don't provide info or follow up is false. The final point of me being scum is that I am curious about people who town read slam, but don't provide the information. Well I noticed nb called him town quite early and that again made me sit up, but then dam did it aswell and I think rasputin did it and I have both of them town so perhbaps the heuristic isn't that useful, again I didn't make a post saying "actually guys I didn't get information off of people calling slam town" I just gave my town reads. Again people say I have fluffy , one liner reads are completely misrepresenting my play. I have explained all my reads if you are unsure you can ask me about it in more detail, no one has actually asked me to do that apart from getting me to explain my bs read, they just falsely accuse me. Anyway having put to bed all those arguments I am going to add a few people to my town circle and then start deciding who I want to lynch. I'm going to add Lonemeow to the town circle for d1, I like his analysis of the d1 wagon on NB, he looked at the people voting and how they voted and it made him uncomfortable with the lynch, the post felt town. He also reads ff as pretty scummy and I like that read a lot. So my town circle contains. hf,bats,dam,templar,xat,kit,koshi,lonemeow,rasp, It is possible that X in my circle finds Y scummy but Z in my circle finds Y town. Yeh town can have different opinions. But these people have projected town to me and I am happy going forward. My main scum reads are FF, NB, hts, LS and Kush questions, comments go ahead. | ||
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On December 10 2014 19:34 LoneMeow wrote: How familiar are you with kushm4sta's playstyle? Do you think he's actually scum or is that just policy? How strong is that LightningStrike read? I had a pretty strong scum read on him earlier but the fact that he's been trying to react to questions and discuss makes me think I may have been wrong. I find him quite hard to read, there's a lot that would be scummy alone but when considered in the big picture it just seems a bit weak. honestly I am not that familiar with Kush, but this play feels almost exactly like the last game I played with him when he was scum. I suppose it is semi-policy. I think because the only game I played with him he was scum so I see scum everywhere. He isn't my town circle, I don't like him at all, but there are better targets. The LS read is pretty strong. Firstly I really don't like his initial list post that had slam and OWS as town. I just don't see how you can make those reads. again maybe the slam heuristic isn't so good but too many town reads that make no sense. he then has SickLucker as scummy even though SL basically confirmed himself as town with the presengate. then his null reads include NB and HTS, both of whom had done pretty scummy things. I just hate the list. He then clamed that his town read on FF was based on FF shenanigans, I see absolutely no evidence of this at all. Pretty happy to lynch him. | ||
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So the first read I had of NB was that she didn't contradict herself and then hf explained how and afterwards I was like yeh you're right and I read hf as town for that. So then NB comes back to the thread and pings me out for having soft reads or something, again like I just don't agree but I suppose if you have a different playstyle then yeh you can see that as scummy I guess. She then gives her read on viv which is really not explained that well at all, she linked to a post and apparently he made "substantial" posts. She also made the post "you need to learn how to read me, you are stupid" to somebody. Which I really didn't like because it is just mafia faking indignation. How can she possibly think she projected town. So yeh I would happily vote that, if it wasn't for tubesock voting her which is really giving me pause but I will talk about that later. So then viv shows up and he just kind of bw onto nb by calling me scum but he can't just sheep the read right, he has to make up some reasons, so apparently my scrooge thing was scummy because i am trying to get scrooge to claim and not making a play. So many things wrong with that, it was a specific play and the the retraction was immediate, No one in their right mind would actually claim there. I then called ff scum as a result and followed up, again viv says I didn't. he also calls me scum because I don't like people giving slam an immediate town read. Again the case is really fucking weak and it just looks like he has is trying to find a reason to call me scum rather than actually do it. His case on Xat is weak, it is because he town reads me. I think I have played pretty town and because Xat actually analysed my play and read the thread he is scum. yeh I just think these are bad reads so viv could be scum. So then after this we get a few people who bw onto the vote, OWS, who just posts shit anyway , FF who I think is scummy, then rsoult...who might just be misguided. So then tubesock, also votes on xat despite not understanding the wagon, but then unvotes again to go back on nb, even though nb pushes on me who he thinks is bad for town. His main reason I am bad for town...because I talked to a woman and because apparently my reads aren't substantial. so this is a sheep of the nb reason (a terrible reason) , so you just sheep the read of your top mafia, So then I have to evaluate what I think of tubesock because his play is so non sensical. So then I think well maybe NB could be town and tube/viv are the mafia. Like I look at the votes on nb and a lot of my town aare voting there, but then HTS and tube vote... I think my scum lynch would be LS, FF, viv and tube..pretty ok with that | ||
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On December 10 2014 23:14 Oatsmaster wrote: can you edit this down to like 4 lines? Cause it seems like a whole lotta fluff shit and thats bad. there is no fluff it is the explanation for my reads. but in 4 lines NB has done scummy things, her case on me is bad and her town read on viv isn't explained at all. a lot of my town vote on her but then a few people I don't like also vote on her. viv has made a very weak case on me that looks like he just wants to call me scum but can't find good reasons. I didn't like his case on Xat and the people who bw that vote make me like the case even less. Tube's play is completely non-sensical and he sheeps the read of his top scum. maybe he is mafia and nb is town. I think my scum lynch would be LS, FF, viv and tube..pretty ok with that | ||
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On December 10 2014 23:33 kitaman27 wrote: I'm confused what you are saying here. Are you saying that you had a plan to abuse the setup and then realized it wouldn't work or Are you saying that you asked for the claim to see how people would react and then later changed your mind and dropped it No I planned, to say "i have spotted a set up glitch" then "i retract" because that is exactly what kush did in a previous game and the way ff reacted helped me read him as town that game. It was a specific play to read ff. | ||
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On December 10 2014 23:36 Half the Sky wrote: Kelsier: I am not understanding the bolded part here. Am I understanding you correctly? You are saying Vivax's case on Xatalos is weak because Xatalos (or Vivax) townread you? Anyone townreading you is irrelevant to the crux of Vivax's argument which is the development of the read on Xatalos. That's a sequence of Xatalos's analysis on 27NB, and it had nothing to do with you. I re-read the case and you aren't mentioned anywhere. Xatalos: The case against Liancourt comes down to him posting nonsensical stuff, and not really contributing. Some have said this is his meta, but most of us are finding it annoying. Froggy: It is my second time here. I also found this game overwhelming but you have to find a way to manage it. Break the work up in smaller batches, from what I gather, one massive post doesn't do well for most here, you have to break it up and get content out in batches. It's more manageable I think. On December 10 2014 12:00 Vivax wrote: This looks so fake given that I have the exactly opposite feeling to the bolded. First, it's completely pointless to discuss that plan, and saying it was a reaction test is completely pulled out of Xata's bum cause it wasn't, hence, it's most likely some invented reason to justify a town read on Kelsier. Kelsier said he misread something, and THEN used it to form a read on FF, which Second: he afterwards didn't push (instead he discusses a multitude of other things and here and there he asks FF a question of which I don't see the results). Just cause of this Xata belongs into my naughty list. | ||
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The way I read it is that xat was unsure of calling nb scum because of how many people voted on it, but nb being scummy out weighed that factor. Maybe lots of town were just right. I don't read that as scummy. | ||
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On December 11 2014 00:30 Koshi wrote: So yeah. Please spend time talking about 27nb. Look at her filter. Look at what she says make sense. Convince me she is town. Even if you don't believe it yourself. Can somebody make a towncase on her? Some of the people voting on her are a bit suspect in my eyes. Like tubesocks ,weird voting pattern, and HTS | ||
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On December 11 2014 01:08 Vivax wrote: @Xata How is it risky? Did anyone call him scum just for that? No. So it's clearly not risky. If t was risky and you think it deserves a scumread, how do you explain that you townread him? Well, cause WIFOM, he did something you think is scummy and scum wouldn't do that so he's town. That's literally the reasoning you are using, and it's bad. It's just the same type of reasoning as saying "scum is wagoning on a town bunnies" and later say "scum is bussing bunnies or not caring about saving her" depending on how you read her at a particular moment. It's obvious bad reasoning that you add to find some more arguments for your change of opinion, in lack of better arguments. The chain of posts doesn't suggest at all he was chasing a masterplan there, it only suggests he found out that he was wrong on something and then looked at people without initially having intention to do so. Else he wouldn't have had a reason to claim out loud that he was wrong about something (so he would have had FF go look at the setup and correct him, that would have been a "trap play"). wrong again. I already explained it and you just choose to ignore it again. It was a specific play I planned. Kush claimed a set up glitch, then said it was a mistake. exactly that. | ||
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Kush said sky is blue, wait sky is red. Ff went back to the op and worked shit out and was like, wait Kush there is no way you could believe sky is red, explain. It basically showed ff as really try hard. I'm ob my phone so cant quote but it did happen. you need to ask yourself what the fuck I could.gain from heynscrooge claim oh wait don't in terms.of actual game progression. | ||
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On December 10 2014 10:40 Vivax wrote: Don't like Kelsier's followup after he claimed to find FF scummy (which was basically no followup), plus he talks too much about Alakaslam for my liking, stating how he gets interesting information from people semi-townreading him and how he gets a freepass. This reads sort of whiny like a scummer who is sad panda cause a troll gets a free pass. He says it's interesting information but doesn't apply it to his reasoning anywhere, it's supposed to concern 27nb and Damdred since they gave Alakaslam a read. What he's doing about fecalfeast I don't know. Overall a guy I find difficult (read:tedious) to read and all over the place, spamming townreads on a whim in the later stages of his filter. Could lynch him cause he smells of bullcrap occasionally, like the fecalfeast read with a completely different focus afterwards and the fact he calls the Alakaslam townreads informative without explaining how. you call me scummy for the plan right here , keep lying dude | ||
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aagain i folllowed up on ff so, not sure why you are determined to throw scum on me. i cant get the link but ff, Kush ,ls and bats were all in that game. Again you need to question what in would gain from genuinely thinking scrooge should claim. i need you to reevaluate because it looks like you are determined to throw scum on me, at the moment nb decided she thought i was scummy. | ||
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http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/469857-campus-mafia-new-newish-players-welcome?user=kushm4sta Here is FF On November 03 2014 08:20 Fecalfeast wrote: Just checking but what part of the OP did you misread to get this? Every setup possibility has a roleblocker which, even if setup A was 100%, defeats your plan. here is me On November 03 2014 09:11 KelsierSC wrote: Ff is my first town.. Firstly explaining to sentinal about the bh being rng king. And secondly he went back and checked the possible set ups after kush made his pronouncement then he asked kush to explain himself. That is a guy putting in the effort to catch scum. | ||
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On December 11 2014 02:00 Vivax wrote: I found your followup fairly weak cause after scumreading fecal and people giving your argument low weight you preferred to focus on other stuff rather than on trying to start a wagon on him. It's like you were content with just having a read out for some reason rather than actually getting people to follow it. Scum doesn't care if their read has weight in the town as long as people buy their explanations even when they don't agree with it and it looks like they're scumhunting. When I think someone is scum I'll look in their filter for as long as it takes to find the things proving that they are and to convince other people, and when people still don't listen I'll usually get very wordy, or contest the leading lynch. That's how I play town, and how you don't, so I think you're scummy and hence that answers: That's a fair point but not everyone plays town the same way. I haven't tried to push the ff lynch in people's face, I stated pretty early that I was trying to form my town circle and go from there and I have been doing that, that is how I play d1. The FF read was just something specific that I had planned to do. So my main issue with your play has been that some of your reads just don't line up with mine, I think you called Koshi mafia/mafiaish, you called Xat mafia and of course you threw scum on me. I think I have projected pretty good town so far, so just surprised I got a scum read. I think some of your cases are weak and I think your timing when you went at me is unfortunate because it came right after NB went on me. You also use the words "strange", "weird" "mafiash" "don't like" which I think is a scum trait. Then again you do seem to be focused on your Xat lynch and although your case is weak I get the impression you genuinely believe in it. not going to lynch you but I think you might just be incorrect town. | ||
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I basically looked at this list of players to consider lynching HTS, Oats,Froggy,OWS,LS,Rit,FF,Tube,27 and Lian I was pretty happy with the list as it was. So then I go to my town circle and decide where are people looking and who do they suspect mostly because they might be alright and so I narrow my list down to this OWS, LS, Rit, FF, 27 Froggy had his weird lurker post but he hasn't done enough for me to read him. I really don't remember Oats doing anything at all, I made a point that I didn't like dam giving him a townread but I'm willing to ride with dam d1 . Tube like no one seems to suspect him even though his play is really confused. I brought up how he says im bad for town reasons is that I had early fluff , flirted with someone and my scrooge comment. The scrooge thing was already explained to get a read and I gave a lot of solid reads afterwards so saying I'm bad for town. misrepresenting my play.I just hate that kind of shit. His post was also after nb and viv had brought up comments on me, it was like trying to bw on. Then his vote on NB, no vote on Xat , no vote on NB. I would happily break a case here but no one else seems suspicous so not going to waste my vote. I go to HTS she had her entry with "hey nb I am also town" which I didn't like, then there was the confusion about her votes but that got explained to me. I didn't like her list of everyone as null but on the face of things she isn't overly scummy or memorable again I don't think I could produce a convincing case against her to warrant a vote. Lian is probably a pedophile but I don't really know what the fuck to do with his play except ignore everything he writes. So with who is left I think like this I really think 27 has been the scummiest player in the game. I think she made the early contradiction with the froggypost that was scummy. She then disappeared and came back to throw scum at me with a case on giving town reads. She also gives a weird town read on Viv which she still didn't really explain , just "viv is town because of -link to page" I like the argument that Koshi brought up about her and it is a great accusation. Then I think, if she flips scum..cool we got a scum. But if she flips town..mafia just say "well she played scummy don't blame me" for that reason I'm not going to vote her and instead i'm going to build a real case and get filter diving. Rit and OWS have both done absolutely nothing. OWS just sheeps a read, I can't remember one significant thing rit has done. if someone wants to elaborate on a scum case or town case for these people I will listen and gladly vote. My alternative scum read is FF So I had my early play with the scrooge comment, From my perspective it was a good read. He was very try hard in the campus day 1. He then started talking about Sumo stuff with slam. I just think that is an excuse to post without really scum hunting. A scummy trait. On December 09 2014 09:12 Fecalfeast wrote: I thought being thick was a prerequisite for sumo. "You are already breaking the rules , resigned to the outside of the ring . Why are trying to order you still fight" No rules were established beforehand but if you don't want to fite I wont force you. I was about to comment on the 27NB post but HF beat me to it. Her 'easy scum read' is in her scum pile because only scum is looking for easy scum reads... He copies a read, hey I was about to say that. He follows up eventually with his first serious set of reads which is a list post containing mostly null reads or silly reads. e.g. riti - mad Leon Meow makes this case which I think is great On December 10 2014 18:21 LoneMeow wrote: I could lynch this guy. First posts a large amount of mostly oneliners that aren't pertinent to finding scum, then says he's near the post limit so he's going to lurk. So anti town. There's also this: He dropped his scum read (which I assume was his strongest, given where his vote was) due to the "claim" but didn't reasses the situation in any way once the "claim" was explained to be a misunderstanding. Not what I would expect from a town player in that situation. ##Vote: Fecalfeast He then finally follows up with this vote On December 10 2014 14:52 Fecalfeast wrote: sheepalfeast rasputin you didnt use the voting thread Which was just a ninja vote on xatalos and shows a total lack of effort with the game. ##Vote FecalFeast | ||
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for that reason i don't think she should be the lynch d1 and we should focus other targets now and see exactly what play nb makes d2. Interested to hear more thoughts on my ff read. | ||
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On December 11 2014 04:14 Koshi wrote: I am leaning too heavy on scum. Tell me why she might be town. Using her filter. I can't but she did basically claim a role and I think we get more information if we look elsewhere today and see what nb does d2 | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + lian I don't really care what you have to say but she basically claimed a role, i'm not sure if you have been reading the thread | ||
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On December 11 2014 04:26 liancourt wrote: Like this post kel is assuming ninja is town for the basis of this argument. Its like kel knows something town doesnt. Kel be scum I never said nb is town, like...ever. I have said multiple times she is really scummy, in my big post I stated she is the scummiest person in the thread. My only concern was some of the people voting on her but Kosh made a good point about in a 10p wagon you won't like everyone. My not voting her is because if we lynch her today, and she is town, we get no information and potentially lynch a role. I think roles often play scummy. I don't like how most people are happy to just sit there and leave their vote on nb without discussing other people or possibilities. Again you just aren't reading the thread. Can't you just return to making shit posts in spoiler tags. you were more useful. | ||
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On December 11 2014 04:29 liancourt wrote: Nope ninja posted a vid of carol singers oh yes this is role claiming that isn't to do with her role claim. she actually said in her post "I could just claim" | ||
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On December 11 2014 04:37 Holyflare wrote: you shouldn't think like this at all because that's exactly what a mafia would want to do so you're telling us that we shouldn't lynch her or put pressure on her on the off chance that she COULD be town??? you're essentially giving someone that has a super high chance of being mafia a free pass because of a possibility she could be town, which doesn't make sense at all, especially when you posted this: you have no reason to town read her... claiming a role is something scum loves to do to survive as that's their main goal, she's been bandwagoned the entire day by multiple people all day and arguably has the MOST information on her flip but you're telling us not to lynch her because she doesn't give us any info on a flip and she has claimed a role??? oh please as if that wasn't an attempt at some super obvious breadcrumb at being a carol singer "oh yeh guys just randomly while im under pressure im gonna drop this video of me carol singing in college" Alright I get that idea she wants to survive as mafia I'm not sure if she HAD to claim there as mafia maybe she could have done more to project town , in fairness every town game so far I have basically read the cop as mafia so I am just a bit paranoid. I was working through it in my head and I just thought we got a lot of information if we leave her in the game to claim her "role". I still think FF is a good lynch though. what do you think hf? kos? | ||
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On December 11 2014 04:39 liancourt wrote: Kel u arent reacting to minor pressure very well resorting to making insults. Has it unruffled ur feathers that i m beginning to start playing the game for real and i caught u? Ur implying ninja is town in ur posts and yet u say ninja is the scummiest person in the thread. What are u trying to say why are u fence hogging? + Show Spoiler + you aren't reading the thread properly. I never implied ninja is town I brought up the fact she claimed a role. | ||
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My analysis later on for not voting nb was in part due to this role soft she did, Explicitly the comment "I am going to have to claim". I don't believe the video was a role claim at all. So with that comment I think ok that is scum or a pretty important power role. Like she is going to claim vigi or something that means we look elsewhere. Then she comes back to the thread and says, "i've been at exams getting ready for work etc" ok but then she claims the disgruntled worker, like that just doesn't make any sense to elude that claiming your role will take the lynch off you when that is your role. Then I look at her reads. I think she has me and FF both as scum even though I call FF my top scum and vote on him. Then she has me at 80% mafia even though she calls her own case weak. She doesn't seem to bother looking at Xat even though viv who was her top town has made this their exclusive push. Then SL is suddenly the lynch. It all seems desperate and kind of like mafia who has given up. | ||
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As for the other scum arguments. It seems pretty weak, FF was a scum read of mine and I presented a strong case against him. The reason I brought up my discomfort with the nb vote was due to my belief she was going to role claim and I thought we could get a lot of information from that, I think I explained my thought process there pretty well. When she claimed DGW and kind of gave up I analysed her play very well and called her scummy again. On December 11 2014 06:36 KelsierSC wrote: So I'm going to give how I read this whole situation. My analysis later on for not voting nb was in part due to this role soft she did, Explicitly the comment "I am going to have to claim". I don't believe the video was a role claim at all. So with that comment I think ok that is scum or a pretty important power role. Like she is going to claim vigi or something that means we look elsewhere. Then she comes back to the thread and says, "i've been at exams getting ready for work etc" ok but then she claims the disgruntled worker, like that just doesn't make any sense to elude that claiming your role will take the lynch off you when that is your role. Then I look at her reads. I think she has me and FF both as scum even though I call FF my top scum and vote on him. Then she has me at 80% mafia even though she calls her own case weak. She doesn't seem to bother looking at Xat even though viv who was her top town has made this their exclusive push. Then SL is suddenly the lynch. It all seems desperate and kind of like mafia who has given up. Saying that "i didn't vote her because I knew she would flip town" just isn't true, I called her scummy repeatedly, and it shows a lack of understanding and reading from some people in the thread. If I am paranoid about killing a role and want to consider other options, that is town not mafia. I really shouldn't be the person to look at, I'll be back , to talk about ff and my analysis of the votes etc. | ||
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On December 11 2014 21:06 Xatalos wrote: So it was more like a list of people to recheck or something? I thought you said you'd be willing to lynch those people. yeh it was, I had a list of basically everyone who wasn't in my town circle ( I forgot rit was in it) Then I narrowed it down and one of the criteria was I looked at who my town circle was suspicous of. They didn't like rit so he was added to the possible lynch targets. I basically forgot he was in my town circle because after my initial town read I don't recall anything else that he did and there are a lot of players in the game. | ||
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my reasoning and vote for ff is in my filter ##vote Fecalfeast | ||
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i mean i made a lot of good town reads and made my case on ff d1 , pretty strong case. I had a logical progression to ny vote. For nb i analysed her play very strongly end of d1, my concern with lynching het was to do with her role claim, ibdidbt want to lynch a power rile, looking at the game from. Different perspectives is a towny action not scummy. so i skimmed some stuff, i like gb he is town but just vote whatever my town circle votes. dam,hf,bats kosh,kit,tenplar.xat are the town leaders invite what vou vote for!! soulton is town too where is the vote list? | ||
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On December 14 2014 07:41 Vivax wrote: Cause I read his post and it convinced me, nothing else really. oy you said too me when you find mafia you go hard and really filter dive. ..why xat was Gandalf. nowny one gb post is the needs to convince you. i said good day! | ||
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On December 14 2014 07:41 Trfel wrote: Switching to Holyflare because of a gut call. It's hard to explain. If someone really wants me to, I can try though. too many doughnuts d1?? | ||
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hf,template,,xat,kat,koshi,rsoult ,dam and i lke gb. Oh and bats | ||
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