TL Mafia LXIX: Carol Of The Bells

On December 04 2014 22:29 kitaman27 wrote:
/in

On December 05 2014 02:37 Alakaslam wrote:
Hijole palmar, marv!

¡Hijole!

/in

On December 05 2014 02:52 Alakaslam wrote:

Yes it is shallow

But well

What can I fo.

On December 05 2014 09:00 The_Templar wrote:

Do I count as a lurker?

On December 06 2014 10:48 The_Templar wrote:


no

On December 08 2014 06:15 Blazinghand wrote:
/out
/obs

On December 08 2014 06:54 The_Templar wrote:

I will do the RNG for you don't worry

On December 08 2014 06:56 Damdred wrote:
Templars luck...rng lands on himself

On December 08 2014 06:58 The_Templar wrote:

Heh. If it does, I will be honest about it. Of course, if I am mafia, I'll manage to rig it so that it doesn't land on me, so it landing on me would confirm me as town...

On December 08 2014 07:01 The_Templar wrote:

You have no idea how WIFOM I could be. Since I've been town in normal games, me using WIFOM would be mafia-like. Or would it? I could argue that since using WIFOM means I'm mafia, I would never use it as mafia, so I must be town.

On December 09 2014 03:54 Tubesock wrote:


Would you like it better if I had a number in it, like "Tubes4ck"?

On December 09 2014 09:27 batsnacks wrote:


Maybe he's colorblind?

Oh wait vbcode actually says blue...

On December 09 2014 09:33 Fecalfeast wrote:

I don't expect you to have read my other town games but I've gotten exponentially worse as town.

GB do you have a comment on the current votes or discussion?

On December 09 2014 09:34 The_Templar wrote:
Santa, upon arriving in America, noted the return of several people to their youthful roots. Two of them, Alakaslam, and ritoky, had made themselves comfortable on a nearby bench while a few others continued to argue pointlessly over the exact wording of their previous conversations. The NSA was delighted. Alakaslam had made himself Calvin, the boy that had asked Santa to alter his Nice list to include him. Indeed, Santa had quite a file on Calvin.

Ritoky seemed to be simply reading a Calvin and Hobbes book while Alakaslam discussed his relation to the others' arguments through being Calvin during a wonderful time of year such as this. Santa wondered, who had made the snowman that was walking around the town. Who was that snowman shielding? Surely, the Snowman was a sturdy figure and could surely withstand a blast, and was made with pure intentions, with the spirit of Christmas in mind. Therefore, its owner is surely one of those that belongs to stay on the "Nice" list. They might even be in this argument!

Could Alakaslam claim such a veteran role, Santa wondered?



On the sleigh ride, Santa had read this post very carefully. Ninjabunnies, along with many other people, had created her own list of who she expected to receive Christmas presents, and who would receive coal. What position was she in to determine this? Why should she do this? Santa supposed that it was a vital component of the argument taking place and that she was taking steps to ensure she was as or less likely to be placed on the naughty list compared to anyone else. Santa was not convinced, however. Why did she think these people were on the naughty list? Why had she bothered to defend the froggy one when she was going to label him Naughty for the same reason?

Santa, fortunately, had brought his printer with him (it was magical) on the sleigh, and continued to receive mounds of evidence of the events taking place as he had travelled. He was curious about Vivax, but only because of the validity of his opinions in regards to the argument taking place. Was this knowledge of the argument they were having really common knowledge, or did only some of the suspects know of the full set of facts? Were they hiding something, perhaps?

Santa also updated his list on the way to America.

Nice:

Koshi
Half the Sky
Oatsmaster
kitaman27
Damdred
rsoultin
froggynoddy
kushm4sta
sicklucker
Alakaslam
Vivax
ObiWanShinobi
The_Templar
Xatalos
LightningStrike
liancourt
batsnacks
ritoky
Fecalfeast
Holyflare
GlowingBear
LoneMeow
Trfel
Tubesock
KelsierSC
27ninjabunnies

Naughty:

27ninjabunnies


Italics: No evidence of being nice or naughty, on list because they were there before (the game of mafia) started
Underlined: Santa/[Not]SanTa must investigate further
Bold: Remains on the list for some time.
Strikethrough: Moved to the opposite list
None: New on the list

However, Santa was not ready to do detective work yet. He decided to deliver some of the toys early so that things could be straightened out between these suspects. Through this, Santa hoped that all of them could be on the Nice list, but that was unlikely to happen. Meanwhile, The_Templar had an exam the next morning and really should study.

On December 09 2014 09:37 KelsierSC wrote:
GB so edgy.

he definitely doesn't study for the test he is too bored and too cool

On December 09 2014 09:38 Damdred wrote:


I am town GB, but i am unable to give you a present currently if you are good i can share one of my many toys later on as when i was a child i was taught to share if i get one that is.

You should really read the thread and are you blue gb seirously/

On December 09 2014 09:40 The_Templar wrote:

Yes, because I did exactly the same thing in literally every game I play. That clearly makes me a Naughty person.

There is plenty of information in that fluff.

Before complaining that I'm not providing alignment-indicative information, consider reading the thread more carefully.

On December 09 2014 10:11 sicklucker wrote:
Glowing Bear im very disappointed in you my child.

On December 09 2014 11:20 rsoultin wrote:


No likey?

Glowthebear. Slam and bats always town, or just special today? Dazzle me with glowing logic.

On December 09 2014 11:28 Damdred wrote:


I think we have a different interpretation of events,HTS will have to clarify and go into greater detail her agreement with NB. However I will say that you can agree with someone who is acting scummy that something is null (read on frog) and it totally not be alignment indicative. Like a few games ago I rolled scum and posted town reads null reads etc., town GB runs up and be like I AGREE WITH WHAT YOUR SAYING BUT YOU ARE SO SCUMMY CAUSE OF REASONS. Then GB votes me, this does not automatically make what GB did scummy in that situation, and it doesn't make what hts did then scummy. Agreeing with someone about a read should not totally sway our perception on if someone is scummy or not is what i'm getting at.

However bats few followup responses did not look horrible at this point.

RS is in my town circle today.

On December 09 2014 11:33 Alakaslam wrote:

Pffffffffffft
Old tired claim

What is there to insee?

On December 09 2014 11:42 LightningStrike wrote:
I just got back and here my current reads
Town: HF,Templar, OWS, Slam, Damdred, rsoultin, FF
Null: 27ninja, HTS, Ritoky
Scum: sicklucker
sicklucker doesn't seem like he normal town self for this type of game with the post limit and he just throwing a lot of fluff more than anything trying to get the limit early
I need more posts from 27ninja and Ritoky to confirm which side they on
HTS doesn't seem like himself idk why I feel like that.
As soon more people post in the game I will make more reads to add the people.

On December 09 2014 11:47 The_Templar wrote:

You mean that one I already posted? A few pages before

RNG into vote that I explained. Only included Kelsier because I had, in fact, voted him. Please try harder to bait further over-reaction.

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Agreed that SL is a lot more mellow than he usually is as town. I do not know if this is a one-night thing or not.


Maybe he's mad that you said it's impossible to read him now before reading him. Just a thought though.

On December 09 2014 11:48 sicklucker wrote:
Oh shit. Ya I missed that part I was fishing and trolling for info on who the other Joyful Child were because I figured only we knew presents were in the game because I missed that part. I thought damdred and gb were the other two, I still kinda think they are oh well. Who wants a present.

Ok so we all know theres 3 presents in the game. But what I know is that its the Joyful Child role that has these presents. No one else can be sure of this as its not said in the description. But Damdred and gb sent out little tells that told me they were this role.I might have been wrong so ill reread it later but I think their the other giftgivers and therefore town.

Also Ive been up 20 hours and dont rly feel like playing much right now but the insomnia might have kicked in.

On December 09 2014 11:49 The_Templar wrote:

Thanks for being concerned. I am stressed out right now because this game started at a terrible time and I'm already investing more time than I have into it.

On December 09 2014 11:57 sicklucker wrote:


Why would you name it if not to give it a special ability?

On December 09 2014 12:01 Holyflare wrote:
Please nobody else out their roles. The other vt is to stop mafia being op because they can have some vt killing gun like last palmar game

On December 09 2014 12:05 Holyflare wrote:
Stop claiming for the love of fucking god. If mafia can only shoot non named vt's and all the named vt's are starting to out then who do you think is left to shoot???

Named vt is literally only there to stop mafia getting easy kills.

On December 09 2014 12:10 sicklucker wrote:


I agree but my fishing was going to get me lynched =[. Now that the cats out of the bag is it better to give the present to someone im town reading or scum reading !

On December 09 2014 12:43 LightningStrike wrote:

I looked GB past games and he seemed to town aligned this game and Slam isn't posting stuff like he did when he was scum in the Titanic Game.

On December 09 2014 12:31 Holyflare wrote:
You should hop on bunnies after reading my filter and be led to great victory

On December 09 2014 20:57 Koshi wrote:
Here are some things I noticed, and now explain using as little words as possible. Getting noticed by me is pretty good. It means you are doing stuff and can call yourself a participant of this game. If you are not in my list and thought you were doing things you didn't do your things correctly.

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Ritoky townread for attacking people that think Alakaslam is possible scum. The reason this is towny is because ritoky is lost without his Alakaslam read. And is using this 1 read he has to create more reads. Also his stuff on Lightening is superb.

Kelsier townread for the batsnacks thing. And the rsoultin read.

Templar is paying attention.

Alakaslam keeps slipping that he is a ghost. Probably is.

Damdred actually understands wtf Kelsier was talking about in the post with hts and nb duds. Must be reading the thread.

Holyflare is doing some minor positive things. However, I don’t understand why he protects hts against Kelsier. I don’t understands why he doesn’t push GB after making that observation.

GlowingBear ignored HF when HF called him out. Instead GB asked an incredible dumb question to Damdred. Started the game with drawing attention to him twice. Need to check meta if that is alignment indicative, scum tends to not do that. But meh.

Half the Sky is not reading and thinking, Kelsier was painfully obvious talking about her. Looks like scum being paralyzed by the pressure of replying, and tried to brush the pressure of with the “I know nothing I am from Barcelona” reply. Also, who replies with: “I am also town” at the start of the game. Town shows paranoia early game. Scum doesn’t.

LighteningStrike his list shows that LS is good at knowing who the thread thinks is town. He made a mistake putting OWS on his townlist. FF as well. The mistake is made because he is scum wanting to “contribute” and not only rehearse what is in the thread. Anyway, his townlist was made so that people would like him.

27ninjabunnies is posting horrendous. Please shape up. I can’t even blame people having her as only scumread because her posting is so scummy. Is playing scum 101. People who have experience playing the game would only play this scummy as town not paying attention to their own scumminess. I would still lynch her as a policy lynch. Not acceptable play.

Obiwan might be scum that didn't want to do nothing and then decided to pretend that he was doing something. Sadly for him his pretendcontribution claimed town and now scumObiwan ist just in idgaf doing nothing mode.

Both kita & Vivax going solely after 27nb bores me.

On December 09 2014 21:31 LoneMeow wrote:


Funny, except I wouldn't be surprised if it actually happened, knowing Holyflare :D

On December 09 2014 11:59 rsoultin wrote:


Lol, dude, sad part is I actually believe you. You would be the type to get a present and think it's just for you, regardless of what palmar said xP But dontcha know, children are supposed to get presents, not give them.

##unvote

On December 09 2014 23:39 Koshi wrote:

Second time you ask me about my Templar read. Why? Is Templar not paying attention to the thread?

If you think I made a mistake as scum for typing "Templar is paying attention" I would like to hear your thought process behind that idea.

Really, you are focusing on the most ridiculous things.

On December 09 2014 23:55 LoneMeow wrote:


Alright, seems reasonable.

What's your take on LightningStrike who's been under some serious questioning recently?

On December 10 2014 00:11 Holyflare wrote:
2 people haven't posted in this game at all yet, useful -.-

Oats, your post on vivax is wrong and your post refuting that wasn't in any english I could understand.

Ls looks not bad to me, dunno why people are hating on him giving all the meta when loads of other people do the same. Ritoky seems angry for some reason because of this??

Obi still being useless, just because he was useless last game (russian) as town doesn't stop him being able to be useless this game as mafia. It just means he's useless which increases the odds of him being mafia.

Kush.. Meh will resolve itself i think

Gb hasn't really done anything but hasn't done anything outrageously wrong like I'd expect him to as town but his picking on solely koshi and like nothing else is wearing thin and is pretty scummy

I dunno feel kinda iffy about hts after reading the things about kush feels a bit too flippant

New list oats, obi, (gb?) bunnies
Mehhhhbe/mehhhhbe not: hts, kush

On December 10 2014 00:19 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
If I had a gun, I'd shoot Holyflare right now.

On December 10 2014 00:20 ObiWanShinobi wrote:


Why?

On December 10 2014 00:41 Koshi wrote:

I guess I could have spend more words on The Templar. He was the first to combine some thread actions into one post. He didn't do anything that made me frown later on so I didn't revisit him and didn't add any more words behind his name.

I don't understand why you are still spending your time on this. Something about me putting Templar on my list because people not on my list look bad? I don't want Templar to look bad because I am his scumbuddy? Dafuq. Really. Dafuq.

Templar obviously looks okish in my eyes. Not lynchable D1.

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Going to start with the easiest:
Palmar didn't rng his set-up. He made a set-up based on the amount of people playing this game. He choose how many of each powerrole exist in this game, but this information is not known to the players. This is a normal game, don't expect crazy things.

About Sky & 27nb:
From what I can see 27nb is playing pretty scummy. You can read HF/Vivax/Kita their reasoning to get an idea why. I am conflicted about 27nb because it seems a bit too scummy to be scum. But Vivax rightfully points out that if it smells like scum & talks like scum, it could very well be scum.

Sky her posting style is confusing like hell. It might be because she is new to the game. She starts out calling 27nb "also town" which is not smart to do. But then after reading the thread she agrees with HF that 27nb looks scummy. But then she somewhat reproduces 27nb vision on froggy (I read this somewhere) but still calls 27nb scum:

And then she ends with calling Vivax null. While I found Vivax his suspicion on 27nb easier to read and more convincing than Holyflare his suspicion on 27nb.

It just looks messy. I don't know if she is scum though. Might just have had a bad start like she claims now in her newest post.

On December 10 2014 01:33 Tubesock wrote:


You don't think they will all receive them at the end of the day/beginning of night?

On December 10 2014 02:53 Damdred wrote:


thank you for pointing this out, I don't know what to make of it but the only option we have now is lynch gb

On December 10 2014 04:24 Damdred wrote:



Well Xatalos you are just so overtly town I have to be suspicious of you right now its only the right answer. Besides that I figured that would be your response since we have post restrictions. You did ignore my next post where I said not to lynch you for today though.

The meta on GB isn't that bad, ever since avocado mafia its something gb has followed strictly as town to the point of getting scum read for it in some situations and as mafia going against the lurker lynch to pursue higher profile people. It is not a guaranteed scum to be sure but I think its a good chance at this point.

On December 10 2014 05:13 Damdred wrote:


What are you on about GB I didn't even bring up arnold. I already explained that the game i refernced was titanic mafia the one hour game. Also your showing of a game that is against what i'm saying is not correct in the fact that the game had 0 lurkers after I subbed into the game, and bfeore i subbed in you had a light scum read on Elvis and then it went away once I started posting.

So yea i'm not lying at all, and you still aren't doing anything except trying to paint things as scummy that aren't so.

On December 10 2014 08:38 batsnacks wrote:


Hi gb you said I was scummy but I didn't care.

Should I?

On December 10 2014 08:39 Fecalfeast wrote:


You're the reason I have to force myself to try as stupid town. Do you think I'm scum, baby?

On December 10 2014 08:42 GlowingBear wrote:


Hi bby I didn't read most of your posts so... I don't think so.

I don't understand what you said about the reason to try something, tho

On December 10 2014 08:43 Fecalfeast wrote:

you and damdred told me to play.

On December 10 2014 08:44 27ninjabunnies wrote:
And seeing as I'm being completely ignored at the moment
(Seriously what's the point of me defending myself if no one is even going to interact with me?)

I'll leave you with a video of my college choir singing Christmas Music. This is us singing Carol of the Bells

On December 09 2014 08:33 27ninjabunnies wrote:


Idk, my boobs are so like... big anyways, they just fall out of any bra I wear. It's terrible.

VS bras do nothing for me unfortunately.
Plus they are hella expensive.

On December 10 2014 09:23 kitaman27 wrote:






It seems like the reasoning that leads you to believe tube is probably town isn't taken into account when evaluating LS. Why does it apply in one case, but not the other?

On December 11 2014 11:36 ritoky wrote:


nope, not mafia, you mafia bae?

On December 11 2014 11:41 ritoky wrote:


nope! do you think i am?

On December 11 2014 11:47 ritoky wrote:


why should i think you're mafia?

On December 12 2014 03:34 LightningStrike wrote:
sicklucker what are you reads post lynch? I just curious because you didn't post much post lynch that's all.

On December 12 2014 04:27 sicklucker wrote:


NO stop suggesting this people we dont know how competent are veg is hes a second bullet target not a first. Theres like 100% chance hes visted by that dude and will die if hes really scrooge making it useless.

On December 12 2014 04:53 sicklucker wrote:


Id like to say because im smart but this is obvious stuff. Gb do you think we should shoot kush too? I fine this interesting because I would probably shoot you tonight If I was veg

On December 12 2014 06:33 LightningStrike wrote:

What role you think he is? Just curious that's all.

On December 12 2014 08:12 ritoky wrote:


????? I got it at the change of phase, and claimed when I decided I was gonna open it????

what are you smoking? you should know that presents change hands at the end of day phase, it is both in the rules and i confirmed it with the mod lol.

On December 12 2014 08:20 ritoky wrote:


and opening something unknown that has a 1 in 3 chance to kill you (esp when you have a crap ton of kp) doesn't make much sense as mafia. i can wifom too broski

On December 12 2014 09:18 Tubesock wrote:






Naughty boys. Still reading Sicklucker Nice?

On December 12 2014 09:59 Tubesock wrote:


Absolutely! Finally, someone who sees this as a credible threat. Because you are naughty.

GlowingBear you DEFEND Sicklucker with "Lian, SL is town. Let him alone." Yet, you are using plays on schemes and roles to discredit Ritoky and gain confusion. Tell me how Sicklucker is so Nice, you tell Lian to lay off. You defend Sicklucker and not just once but use what he's doing to go after a CONFIRMED Nice (RIP Damdred). Tell me why and how Sicklucker is NICE.

##Vote: GlowingBear

On December 09 2014 23:23 GlowingBear wrote:


I've got my read after this post, Meow.

This kind of read on SL seems ok to me. That's how I see SL too. I don't see mafia motivation behind this post, but just a guy who simply posts what comes to his mind, which looks to me like a town trait.

On December 12 2014 10:09 rsoultin wrote:
SL is stuck on presents. That shouldn't be surprising given his early game play.

Tube, you've seen SL play. He's not the most logical person on the planet, to say the least. You really think he's being coached by other scum in this insanity?

GB stating that SL is town is based on SL being highly readable. It's why I pressured him when he was acting all weird in the beginning of the game...and why I won't support a lynch on him now. Even if he is spouting nonsense.

On December 12 2014 10:20 liancourt wrote:
am i the only one that can read slam?

i correctly read him in previous games as town and scum and such and he is town this game too.

It's so easy to read slam. It doesn't require any finesse at all. if he's playing like me he is town. If he's actually trying to be townie and being serious he is scum.

And also he agrees with me on kel :D

## vote kelsier

On December 12 2014 10:27 Holyflare wrote:


I don't know why you're even asking about this specifically? If he's lying about having a present there are 2 other presents out there which will eventually lead to his demise or we force him to use the present on who we want. It seems a silly thing to lie about??



No you are being the donkey. How is he supposed to know what present he has before anyone has even opened it or flipped and why are you trying to make him claim the specific present?

On December 12 2014 10:29 Half the Sky wrote:
Re-read Ritoky from the time I discussed his play with Damdred. Vivax mentioned earlier lack of followup with Froggy, which he quoted. Damdred earlier mentioned lack of followup as well when I asked about Ritoky. I still think he takes HF's posts out of context though I recall HF saying he didn't agree with the case on Xatalos so there was no need for him to push Xatalos from his perspective. This adds to even further suspicion on Ritoky on top of what else has been gathered. Also read Hearthstone mafia and Ritoky's point doesn't make any sense on HF - HF gameplay here is different from that game. I don't understand the read development there.

Definitely scum-like.

OWS looks even worse to me after reading his EoD comments which is inconsistent with the vote on Xatalos. Also not sure where the LoneMeow comment came from, and then LM flips town.

Tubesock: I played with Sicklucker last game. He is erratic at times, but his scum-hunting behaviour last game is similar to this game. Similar behaviour then and now. He's good in my book.

Looking through the links that LS gave me on Oats and seeing if I can get anything out of it before I have to head to bed. Based on his play in Student Mafia IV alone though, Oats isn't looking too good either, but I'm going to read for a more comprehensive look.

On December 12 2014 10:30 liancourt wrote:


i read him as scum in that game if you cant recall and i was right.

And u obviously cant read slam, but no matter.

what do u think of kel?

On December 12 2014 10:37 liancourt wrote:
can we stop talking about presents and talk about kel plz

and i like the angle of gb always coming to SL's aid. Smells of mafia defending town.

On December 12 2014 05:47 ritoky wrote:
to whomever gave me this present, gonna open it. yolo, wish me luck.

On December 12 2014 08:40 Holyflare wrote:
I'm incredibly disappointed with the vigi if we do because he shot absolutely nobody that was a good shot. Not one of ff, ritoky etc died even though like 4 vets called them mafia -.-

Not sure what i think of the present opening tbh. It would have been great to give them to all the scummy people and forced them to open them/use them to our will :/

2 biggest proponents of a ff lynch also died which is cool, especially as lm was in the shadows while doing it so didn't look like a high priority kill

On December 12 2014 21:42 rsoultin wrote:


Why HF?

And no, don't think so. Ritoky claiming so we know how he died is BS. It would just increase the possibilities from mafia/vig to mafia/vig/present, making things more difficult to decipher, not easier. Claiming before use of the power renders the power useless because now mafia has a sure thing to disable/take out over a guess. It just doesn't make sense, and while town cannot make sense, his refusal to see that is ridiculous.

On December 12 2014 22:05 Oatsmaster wrote:

sounds appealing.

Er mainly its for the waffle around the policy lynch, not policy lynch shit that wasnt waffle but shouldve been waffle.
And the templar read.

This is a super fluffy read that doesnt even show anything. Its super generalized and can be used for like half the players in the game. So its a contrived read that he did because he didnt feel comfortable doing something about nb and preferred to stay out of the spotlight.

He scum yo.

On December 12 2014 22:13 Oatsmaster wrote:

explain pls.
Im not feeling it.

On December 13 2014 03:30 Half the Sky wrote:
Bats, if you're going to make a case on anyone using meta, I would think reading filters would be required, otherwise your case is going nowhere.

GB: I don't understand the logic of mass claiming. Based on N1, we're sure they have Mass Murderer, likely the Branch Manager is out there too. Not sure about their RB or City Banker.

What good does it do for our key power roles (i.e. Santa) to claim? Is there something with the mechanics you're seeing I'm not?

On December 13 2014 05:10 sicklucker wrote:
Actually whoever started with the third present should claim immediately. Just dont say who you gave it too. I can get alot of info off this.

On December 13 2014 06:04 Half the Sky wrote:


Is this it?

On December 13 2014 06:18 Tubesock wrote:


I haven't seen any post that gives the ratio of mafia to town for this game. But I'm assuming since the two newby games that peaked my interest were 10/3 and we have 26 we have 6 mafia in this game. I have 5 scum that I will gladly take a lynching to show that maybe I am on the right track. I've called out 3 of them at the end of night one. They all appeared and instead of ignoring me like I feel many were, they took it more seriously. Sicklucker is really pushing this 5 thing. Templar too. Sicklucker tries to vote me to pressure but I ignore it till Templar does comes to lend a hand. If my thoughts on this are correct then Templar thought I was a strong enough threat to support Sick in pressuring me. To me this solidifies their relationship.

On D1 I saw that Damdred lightly called bs on Templar's RNG. I don't know how you would rig it, but I am sure a smart person can. It seems he would only have 20 minutes to be able to figure out who to rig it to, how to rig it, and how to generally take advantage of this. Later in the game, on one of my first few posts I questioned GlowingBear on what I thought was strange behavior of Templar's list. If he responded I didn't see it.

Later I challanged Kelsier on his flirting with Bunnies. His response to me I thought was strange telling me to grow up. I guess I expected a "I'm pushing the thread" or an "I'm gathering reads from...". Nope, he says I need to grow up. Huh.

I noticed a pattern with Templar and Kelsier that I didn't really notice with others. GlowingBear and Holyfire challenge Templar a little on his reads and not hunting. Templar responds with "I do have reads, see: Kita, Ninja, Froggy". 6 minutes later, Templar asks Kelsier about something, and Kelsier responds with "I don't like the explanation." 2 minutes after that Templar defends Kelsier again and leaves.

Damdred dying led more credence to his RNG claim. Without that, it's pretty ridiculous. I'm certainly not smart enough to do it, but is Templar and the rest smart enough? If someone looks at the RNG claim, it's pretty easy to see that there is a relationship with Templar and Kelsier. Demdred and I are the only ones with any breadcrumbs that lead to a Templar and Kelsier relationship. Who would be more important to kill to stop that trail?

On December 10 2014 00:11 Holyflare wrote:
2 people haven't posted in this game at all yet, useful -.-

Oats, your post on vivax is wrong and your post refuting that wasn't in any english I could understand.

Ls looks not bad to me, dunno why people are hating on him giving all the meta when loads of other people do the same. Ritoky seems angry for some reason because of this??

Obi still being useless, just because he was useless last game (russian) as town doesn't stop him being able to be useless this game as mafia. It just means he's useless which increases the odds of him being mafia.

Kush.. Meh will resolve itself i think

Gb hasn't really done anything but hasn't done anything outrageously wrong like I'd expect him to as town but his picking on solely koshi and like nothing else is wearing thin and is pretty scummy

I dunno feel kinda iffy about hts after reading the things about kush feels a bit too flippant

New list oats, obi, (gb?) bunnies
Mehhhhbe/mehhhhbe not: hts, kush

On December 13 2014 10:04 rsoultin wrote:


What's inconsistent here? Help me out. He's saying you're null leaning scum, at least as far as I can tell.

On December 09 2014 08:16 Holyflare wrote:
Here's how it's going to roll. This game has a cap on posts so if you start the game with usual joke crap and useless things like rng that you don't follow through with then I'm going to deem you irresponsible and not worthy of being listened to this game. I've rolled town, I'm going to save my posts instead of being usual and chatty and just come up with my usual list of who to lynch and who to never lynch so that when I get nk'd you can just follow it.

Get rekt mafia

On December 09 2014 08:20 froggynoddy wrote:
Gogogo.

RNG sounds pretty silly. Though at least it would create some content and stop people from lurking.

On the subject of lurking. having not played in a while... when I did play, town usually spent Day 1 arguing on whether to lynch lurkers, I assume this is still the case. I have to go to bed now (work in the morning) but pre-empting this topic lets just cut to the chase and all agree nicely that policy lynching is stupid, however in the absence of a decent slip to go on, lurkers are the best of bad lynch options.

On December 09 2014 08:37 Holyflare wrote:


I'm still here and haven't made an excuse about leaving? I'm not sure I understand what you're saying in bold at all though. It's one thing to talk about policy but this is showing that first and foremost you did not read his post because:

A) he wrote about not policy lynching lirkers because it's bad

And

B) he wrote about agreeing to policy lynch lurkers

And secondly you are defending a person that "is an easy target to be scum read" when that person has done genuinely scummy things and you are brushing it off


##vote 27ninjabunnies

Enjoy your date

On December 13 2014 11:23 Vivax wrote:
@ GB

So you thought froggynoddys entrance was bad but didn't give a shit about him afterwards, also you include arguments for him being scum but only focus on HF today.

Needless to say how that looks to me. Unless you have an explanation for only bringing up that entry as scummy now that you use it in your case against HF.

Not impressed at all.

On December 13 2014 13:40 rsoultin wrote:
Viva, if you have questions for me, I am here to answer them, so it's a good time to ask.

I will say, though, that GB looks like a good lynch to me today. Drunk or not. He's managed to have an excuse all game...not sitting well with me at all.

On December 13 2014 15:07 Alakaslam wrote:
Yes I know this go to sleep and drink water it will help you. Maybe also Gatorade, if you have Gatorade.

Hijole.

Btw what you do is healthier than mine. And mine is no fun. I don't sleep so I poison my head from the inside; this may give me Alzheimer's if I keep it up

On December 13 2014 15:16 Alakaslam wrote:
If GlowingBear turns out to be Jo I am going to post a lot of his comic

On December 13 2014 15:40 Alakaslam wrote:

who is triforce

On December 13 2014 15:42 Alakaslam wrote:

Lol I seriouslu missed that

I t is link and zelda of GANON

On December 14 2014 00:52 froggynoddy wrote:



This is obvious. I think my head matches yours...

On December 14 2014 01:00 rsoultin wrote:


Nice recant. Took you long enough. I'm not the first one to say no, that's stupid, just one of the first to scumread you for the mass role claim.

You're still ignoring my comment that Mafia is fully capable of fake claiming the opening of a present (and what was Ritoky's main excuse, that it would be dumb to open a present as mafia if it could be the kill present?), claim that he had a KS, then follow through because mafia does have a KS. That said, I'm comfortable waiting to see if he dies tonight, if no one else who was scumreading him Day 1 feels inclined to do the same today because they think he's a stupid (or crafty) town.

On December 14 2014 02:19 Alakaslam wrote:
If SL is Mass Murderer he would possibly start with the death present.

On December 14 2014 03:42 Tubesock wrote:


You also use your part 2 to talk about presents when that implicates KILLING DAMDRED??? You are a scapegoat.

On December 14 2014 03:45 rsoultin wrote:


I've made my case on you multiple times GB. Unlike you I am not under scrutiny. I've explained what I think and why I think it. As for the gut feel that is contributing to it...what have you really done for town? Falsely brought up mass-claiming like that would be helpful. A bunch of jokes. A bunch of partial reads you have to be prodded on. Many promises you fail to carry out. (Your HF case is still unfinished.) Ritoky you were pressuring a little until others started...which, if you're town, why are you pressuring the guy you think is town (cause you're not going to send anything to mafia as town) then flip right back onto HF as soon as others start pressuring Ritoky? There's something wrong about how you're playing, and the scenario with both you and Ritoky as scum works. It is ballsy like Xata said...but assuming that mafia would never play ballsy...lol. If this is the way town thinks, that's the perfect way for mafia to play. Either way its WIFOM as shit.

On December 14 2014 04:02 rsoultin wrote:


I've already responded to your case GB. Your town reads I'm not arguing with, in a general sense. Your points aren't very strong to me. Sorry. I did consider them. An entrance post and a different read on 27nb than vivax doesn't scream scum to me. I feel like you're mostly basing your HF read on the fact that he wasn't killed first night, and going from there. I'm not the only one with tunnel vision.

Yet I am willing to back off you for now to pursue another possible scum, so...-shrugs- We could both be town firing away erroneously, but I still don't think so. I don't understand town giving someone they think is mafia a present, dude...you should want to give it to one of your strongest town reads. You yourself have made this point multiple times.

Anyway, Trfel. What do you think of that push since we're probably not going to agree on this.

On December 14 2014 04:13 Tubesock wrote:


I think our Arnold killed Kush.