TL Mafia LXIX: Carol Of The Bells

On December 09 2014 07:36 Vivax wrote:
Protip for anyonewho didn't play a Palmar game: NEVER POST AFTER A DEADLINE, no matter what happens, you will get modkilled.

On December 09 2014 07:47 Fecalfeast wrote:

Way to go 27

On December 09 2014 08:14 ritoky wrote:
i feel like nicki minaj would make some bomb christmas carols.

On December 09 2014 08:18 KelsierSC wrote:


yeh but you have to get her a present aswell and that is always a minefield.

bitches love slippers though

On December 09 2014 08:25 Damdred wrote:
Ritoky, HF, Templar are in my town pile. Slam is tentatively town

Froggynoddy is in scum pile

Bats I thought you weren't goin to make the opening salvo?

On December 09 2014 08:29 ritoky wrote:


i have a soft spot in my heart for good jokes.

hey hey hey hey hey!!!! don't forget our first game where i rolled doctor and protected you like a victoria's secret push-up bra all game long!!!!!

but yes, my read on you is generally dog poop.

On December 09 2014 08:31 KelsierSC wrote:


i disagree

On December 09 2014 08:37 Holyflare wrote:


I'm still here and haven't made an excuse about leaving? I'm not sure I understand what you're saying in bold at all though. It's one thing to talk about policy but this is showing that first and foremost you did not read his post because:

A) he wrote about not policy lynching lirkers because it's bad

And

B) he wrote about agreeing to policy lynch lurkers

And secondly you are defending a person that "is an easy target to be scum read" when that person has done genuinely scummy things and you are brushing it off


##vote 27ninjabunnies

Enjoy your date

On December 09 2014 08:40 Fecalfeast wrote:


A santa joke involving the phrase ho ho ho... Yeah really good joke.

On December 09 2014 08:47 Holyflare wrote:


Well no. You said people talking about lynching lurkers are "off" and he was an "easy target to look scummy" which is already a contradiction in one post and now you are saying you know what he said and it doesn't look bad and people are making mountains out of mole hills which is a contradiction with your first post. There's a great deal of backtracking in what you are saying and I don't like it.

On December 10 2014 02:38 Half the Sky wrote:
27NB - Can you explain why you voted Ritoky straightaway and then did not scumlist him at all in your list? That was the one thing that jumped out at me. Do you have any thoughts on Ritoky now?

On December 10 2014 03:32 Koshi wrote:

1) You are getting lynched and you don't have time to defend yourself. hahaha hilarious. Not.

2) You are doing some rereading. You left on page 19 and claim to be on page 21 atm. Rereading? How? What?
Things town don't do when they see they have 9 votes on themselves: reread 10 pages they already read and 2 fresh ones.
Things town do when they see when they have 9 votes on themselves: Read why they have 9 votes on themselves and try to get caught up.

3) Froggy has 1 post. So while you say that this 1 post is not alignment indicative, you still find him iffy from this not alignment indicative post. That is bullshit. "Froggy, the guy who made 1 post that was not alignment indicative at all is scummy."
The italic part is such bullshit. I hope you are scum grasping at straws and not town being oblivious. You defend yourself claiming that you really had a scumread on somebody while reading his 1 post as non-alignment indicative. AT THE SAME TIME.

##unvote
##vote: 27ninjabunnies

The only way I am moving my vote is if you read the thread and solve the game. Which wont happen given your recent posting.

On December 09 2014 08:35 KelsierSC wrote:
27nb gets a comfortable but elegant pair of slippers

hf gets a piece of wet cardboard with elastic straps

On December 09 2014 08:50 KelsierSC wrote:

where is the contradiction?

she seems to be saying other people might find it scummy \flag him but she doesn't think it is?

On December 09 2014 09:05 KelsierSC wrote:
I'm liking holyflare now, i didn't like his post about how he wasn't going to post, seemed like a good excuse to lurk. But he has backed it up with actual pressure.his pressure on nb is actually strong and the explanation is good. It also feels like town hf to me.

On December 10 2014 08:44 KelsierSC wrote:
Right so i asked hf to explain how you made a contradiction, he explained it well. I got a town read off him.

I'm curious that you call my play "one liners "
considering all my reads have been well explained. Is there a read i didn't explain enough for you.

you said something like "he needs to learn how to read me" that is really scummy, how have you projected town, what have you done that allows him to read you perfectly. . It strikes me as fake indignation that anyone can find you scum

On December 10 2014 08:45 batsnacks wrote:


There's like 9 people voting her. It would appear that more than just koshi needs to learn to read her if she's town.

On December 10 2014 08:49 GlowingBear wrote:


Are you the girl in red?

I'm gonna read what you've post because I feel sorry for you

On December 10 2014 08:52 KelsierSC wrote:
So rather than convince us your town, as you said is what you have to-do, you aren't going to bother and just "claim" right now, good job

On December 10 2014 08:53 ritoky wrote:


have you finished reading? tell me who is scum and why; i don't think your kelsier read is bad, i actually don't mind it. it just isn't compelling imo. there is more than 1 scum in the game though, so who else?

On December 09 2014 10:12 Fecalfeast wrote:

I'd lynch templar because his posts, while long, are full of more fluff than slam's.
idk who kita is but it's still early so give him a break
I'd lynch sicklucker because I wanted to plynch him last game and he was scum.

On December 09 2014 10:15 Holyflare wrote:


You gave me a town read based on meta that is incomplete and didn't really factor in any game info other than "pressuring" which when you couple with my actual meta would mean nothing at all. Yet, when I say otherwise you somehow know it's still "town" Holyflare pressure rather than mafia.

Your bats read as I explained to anyone looking critically does not make any sense at all but he's still a d1 town list. I can see you making an analysis point on him but what about the stuff I just explained? Why was he still a town read after I pointed out he was picking and choosing who scum were based on absolutely nothing (he even just admitted it)!

On December 10 2014 08:58 batsnacks wrote:


This "claim" stuff is garbage. You've already pretty much claimed a role just by saying it twice now and you haven't even tried to convince people.

On December 10 2014 09:05 liancourt wrote:
where did ninja claim mason

On December 10 2014 09:03 KelsierSC wrote:


i think your viv read is bad, i dont understand what you are saying, he is town because of -link to post, why is that post towny, viv isn't in my town circle

i dont read slam d1

On December 10 2014 09:07 Fecalfeast wrote:

The carol singing video, I thought that's what people meant by her claim. If I'm wrong, my bad.

On December 10 2014 09:10 Tubesock wrote:


Thank you for responding.

I think Vivax is null/town as well.

I believe Keslier is bad for town. I'm not sure he will flip naughty, but most all his early posts were total fluff and for lack of better word he was flirting with you (Probably becuase I'm a sexist bastard but I am willing to bet he wouldn't have had the same length of interaction with someone he thought was a guy). It was pretty wasteful, and then I think he realized he needed to do something to look towny and thought "Hey, I'll fish for Scrooge since no one would be dumb enough to claim Scrooge" (Yes, I stand by that statement even with Kush's claim).

I thought it was scummy to continue playing along with the Kels interactions despite their unproductivity and there seemingly other discussions floating around. Why not engage Templur or Slam, why'd you continue to give any attention to Kels?

In your first list, you "iffy" I think it was Froggy, Kita, Fecal. You Null NF, Vivax and Kelsi. You note in your Null list that it's for tunnelling (NF) and for 2 defenders which were V and Kel.

In your defense of Froggy (you had 3ish posts defending Froggy) in one of them you stated how NF did essentially the same thing? So, why null NF and scum Froggy?

On December 10 2014 09:11 batsnacks wrote:


you /= LS

Also, yeah, nb didn't actually claim mason. She's still just posting random crap. So far we've got dates, bras, boobs, funerals, choirs, what will be next?

On December 10 2014 09:15 KelsierSC wrote:
Ah cool tubesock didn't read the thread.

my scrooge play was to get a specific read on ff i explained that before. Outside of that i have given lots of good town reads, all of which are developed reads not one liners, weird misrepresentation of my play again. If you need more explanation , ask.

fyi a guy talking to a girl isn't flirting, grow up.

On December 10 2014 09:30 Half the Sky wrote:


Rasputin = rsoultin

He was called that in our last game.

On December 10 2014 04:39 froggynoddy wrote:
Why do you keep saying this is doublespeak? This is not double speak fella. I think you should explain why you seem to think so as I don't think I can explain myself any better than I already have.

On another note I don't like lists (apart from Santa's of course). Way too easy to appear town without actually doing anything to benefit town.

FOS:
Ninja (i.e. defends me without really defending - adds a list - no other content or justification)
and possibly Templar (list, does no justify reads, everything posted so far is just description of other people's reads - fluff - or overreaction)

Still reading...

On December 10 2014 09:34 KelsierSC wrote:
So i need to sleep and conserve posts.

I'm going to finish off my town circle tomorrow morning and then lynch into whoever is left.

I'm going to add templar to my town circle, initially he was nl for his story, but his posts did have reads and i really like his reentry post, i agree with all his reads, he doesn't like gb, doesn't like ls, on my phone can't remember 3rd read...maybe it was nb. Ah i knew i liked it though.

its interesting 2 people , one after the other, say my play is one liners or fluffy but ive actually made plays and given substantial reads rather than just spam inane bs in spoiler tags.

On December 10 2014 09:41 Half the Sky wrote:


27NB, he's a relatively new player, played in the last Student Mafia game with him (disclaimer: game is still in progress) and he's doing here what he's done last time - poke holes, ask questions, although I notice this go, he has a more edgy tone than he did last game, but you can still understand what he's driving at and why he's picking people/points out. As far as I can tell, a solid town read for me.

On December 10 2014 09:42 LightningStrike wrote:

I was scum with Slam on Student and he was Scum on Titanic he not being as useless as those two games as he did tried to start a discussion after a bit of fluff posts and he tried to steer people in the right direction although he does think I'm scum but everyone got their opinions.
@bats I tried to frame you in that game to save my scum team and I not sheeping anyone in this game although yes my post might of looked like OWS but I guess it just our posting style are similar and it was FF post about sicklucker got me to look at sicklucker although I misread his shenanigans this game and thought he was scum but now I think he is town.

On December 10 2014 09:48 Tubesock wrote:
Kelsier, I'll get back to you. Technically, I said for lack of better word it was flirting. Meaning it's something less but I fully believe that if you thought 27NB had a penis you would not have continued those pointless posts towards her. This judgement has nothing to do with maturity.



I took your iffy as scum. Your list had 3 categories. So, at the time you're saying you had 0 scum reads?



I understand that you don't want to call it a solid scum (or town for that matter) but you can understand how someone reads this and thinks your list is town/null/scum vs town/null/justundernull?

My last paragraph question is, why is HF less iffy than Froggy? You spent 3 posts on why Froggy wasn't scummy yet placed him in your most negative category. Why??

On December 09 2014 08:16 Holyflare wrote:
Here's how it's going to roll. This game has a cap on posts so if you start the game with usual joke crap and useless things like rng that you don't follow through with then I'm going to deem you irresponsible and not worthy of being listened to this game. I've rolled town, I'm going to save my posts instead of being usual and chatty and just come up with my usual list of who to lynch and who to never lynch so that when I get nk'd you can just follow it.

Get rekt mafia

On December 10 2014 09:53 kitaman27 wrote:


HTS, bunnies, LS, Tube/anyone else in the thread currently. Do you guys feel this is noteworthy as well?

On December 10 2014 09:59 Half the Sky wrote:


Not just that, the bigger issue as was pointed out is that he ninja voted Ritoky well before the FF/Ritoky OMGUS battle broke out, there is no explanation in his filter for doing so.

Kush I know how you've played D1 in Student Mafia, but I actually do not understand your vote for Ritoky at the time you voted him. Pressure vote? Something you didn't like about him? Explain please?

On December 10 2014 10:04 rsoultin wrote:
Yes, yes, see his post count. See how he plays. LS is clearly new too. @27NB

On December 10 2014 10:06 kitaman27 wrote:


I think you're missing the point of what I'm saying. I'm not asking if FF's post about tube is valid.

I'm asking why the same exact reasoning could apply to two players, yet he draws a town read on one and a scum read on the other.

On December 10 2014 10:12 LightningStrike wrote:

He scum read me and town read tube if I recalled reading the thread earlier.

On December 10 2014 10:14 Holyflare wrote:
It's not particularly hard to understand? He says that tube doing meta reads as a new player makes him look towny but when LS does it he outright scum reads LS. It's double standards! Not sure if scummy though, doesn't feel like it he's saying they are doing the same things.

Read my thing about oats plox ty

On December 10 2014 10:14 Tubesock wrote:


Ok, sorry I missed this part during my attempt at formatting my first response.

Koshi is null/town for me. I like that after his first big post he doesn't really push his agenda and seems to be genuinely information gathering. He'd be top third of my nice pile.

His first post was long and I'll admit I'm one of those suckers for long posts. I disagreed with his Kelsier read but I'll post more on Kels later. I completely disagreed with his HTS assessment. I don't scum Lightning but it's not because he doesn't act crazy scummy it's because I've decided he's just bad. I should try to wade through his posts to find a single non meta type read. I don't think LS has any idea who the thread thinks is town.

I'm sorry, I agree with him on you (NB). While I didn't have any idea about your experience, if you're town it seemed like your arguments were very muddled (which is what people criticize HTS for, but you seemed worse in the beginning).

I'm with him on Obi. Seems like he's not interested in playing. I hope Obi shows up with some well thought out reads.

Koshi isn't the first to say he's bored with someone/the thread (GB). I'm not following the significance of why people say they are bored? Is it to garner more dramatic posts? Saying people are not contributing being towny therefore everyone is acting scummy? I'm going to WIFOM myself to death on this claim (generally not specifically Koshi's boredom claim).

Anyway, I don't necessarily agree with a lot of stuff Koshi says but his posts seem inquisitive and like he's thinking. If I see him posting while I still am on I'll be asking him questions for sure.

On December 10 2014 11:49 kitaman27 wrote:


^ Found one Disgruntled Christmas Worker

On December 10 2014 12:01 rsoultin wrote:


Yesterday you read fine, though roundabout. More words =/= better. 27NB read/recap lolworthy. "Let me compare her to me." Though other people were comparing the two of you, unnecessary. Given your initial reason for pursuing 27NB, it's a good sign you reevaluated, however. (That was the main purpose behind my post, seeing where you stood now.)

BS on tube. You've written more than him on anyone for him asking other people he think may be town why they think differently than him.

Kelsier read is a bunch of repeating yourself about his issue with Alakaslam being townread and a cameo of FF. Not well-developed for such a long post.

And as for how I post...it's only odd if you haven't read my other posts. You're not special, vivo.

On December 11 2014 05:39 ObiWanShinobi wrote:


Why?

On December 11 2014 06:10 sicklucker wrote:
Like if it wAsint for that carol singer post I might be scared here. Like who randomly posts a video of themself carol singing it was a claim. Shes mafia back tracking.

On December 11 2014 06:13 kitaman27 wrote:
Don't mean to beat a dead horse, but why did you indicate a couple times that claiming would help you survive if you're a miller?

On December 11 2014 06:21 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Is that really a soft too?

Is there a role you didn't softclaim?

On December 11 2014 06:23 batsnacks wrote:


You softed a town power role twice.

Why does when you did it matter?