EPTHis entrance in this game is awful, he picking on bunnies for being contradictory when picking up on frogs awful entrance but not picking on Vivax post on frog... This kind of double standards worries me.
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His entrance in this game is awful, he picking on bunnies for being contradictory when picking up on frogs awful entrance but not picking on Vivax post on frog... This kind of double standards worries me. | ||
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On December 12 2014 22:05 Oatsmaster wrote: sounds appealing. Er mainly its for the waffle around the policy lynch, not policy lynch shit that wasnt waffle but shouldve been waffle. And the templar read. This is a super fluffy read that doesnt even show anything. Its super generalized and can be used for like half the players in the game. So its a contrived read that he did because he didnt feel comfortable doing something about nb and preferred to stay out of the spotlight. He scum yo. Frogs entrance is horrible, but I'm okay with this read on Templar. I don't see it like too fluffy. | ||
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Ok, give me an hour so I can eat and get to my pc before going to work. I'll bring examples and get deeper in what is making me read HF as scum. | ||
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I had to come quickly to my work so I couldn't bring the points on holyflare. By the way, mass claiming IS okay now, as a lot of vts died. It will narrow our lynches A LOT | ||
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On December 13 2014 03:30 Half the Sky wrote: Bats, if you're going to make a case on anyone using meta, I would think reading filters would be required, otherwise your case is going nowhere. GB: I don't understand the logic of mass claiming. Based on N1, we're sure they have Mass Murderer, likely the Branch Manager is out there too. Not sure about their RB or City Banker. What good does it do for our key power roles (i.e. Santa) to claim? Is there something with the mechanics you're seeing I'm not? Why mafia roles are relevant? If people mass claim, mafia will have to counter claim in order to survive for long. This means that, at least, we will have to decide between 2 claims, when one is true and the other is false. Considering Scrooge is dead, we have 3 confirmed roles for town. There's obviously a Santa. That's 4 people we are not considering lynching today already. It's a lot. I don't care much for power roles. All we have to do to win the game is to lynch mafia, that's all. | ||
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This game is getting easier. | ||
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Anyway, I think it's an important topic to discuss at some point. All I'm reading are things that don't really make people mafia, which worries me. I can easily see HF as mafia in this game. I need a computer to properly show why. | ||
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On December 13 2014 05:10 sicklucker wrote: Actually whoever started with the third present should claim immediately. Just dont say who you gave it too. I can get alot of info off this. Lol what kind of info? Lololol Ok, listen: The only important point regarding presents is that ritoky claimed he got one, which is more detrimental than helpful, because, in case he don't die night1, he dies/get roleblocked night2, which is awful for town. But if you think of it again, there is no motive for him to claim that he is opening the present as mafia. I just used my brain a little more and got to this conclusion. Which means that talking about presents is only helpful when considering mass claiming. We should drop this discussion right now. HF doesn't look like he is pushin town agenda, but his own self agenda. This looks much more like mafia holyflare. He points out things that aren't really mafiaish and doesn't seem to try to further identify people's alignment. His pushes aren't for solving the game. They are mostly done just to push, just to make a lynch happen, maybe. His backtracking on froggy is weird because he kept an absolute stance regarding bunnies, who I just say sounded more null than anything, and froggy is leaning scum. HF once came to the thread and said that we should look for people outside the NB wagon, which is ridiculous. He wasn't talking about people who WASTED their votes. He was talking about people outside the main wagon. He also said me and ritoky looked the worst. You can see he is doing a timid push on ritoky, but it really doesn't sound like he is trying to figure out his alignment. Weirdly enough, the present claim from ritoky remained unquestioned by HF. MOREOVER, he did not make ANY attempt to figure out my alignment when he said I looked bad at that time. He is scum. | ||
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Yes. And I've just realised he talked about froggy looking bad, but he townreads him out of nothing later, when I ask him about Vivax and froggy. That's it guys. HF is scum. I'm voting noone else. | ||
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On December 13 2014 06:18 Tubesock wrote: I haven't seen any post that gives the ratio of mafia to town for this game. But I'm assuming since the two newby games that peaked my interest were 10/3 and we have 26 we have 6 mafia in this game. I have 5 scum that I will gladly take a lynching to show that maybe I am on the right track. I've called out 3 of them at the end of night one. They all appeared and instead of ignoring me like I feel many were, they took it more seriously. Sicklucker is really pushing this 5 thing. Templar too. Sicklucker tries to vote me to pressure but I ignore it till Templar does comes to lend a hand. If my thoughts on this are correct then Templar thought I was a strong enough threat to support Sick in pressuring me. To me this solidifies their relationship. On D1 I saw that Damdred lightly called bs on Templar's RNG. I don't know how you would rig it, but I am sure a smart person can. It seems he would only have 20 minutes to be able to figure out who to rig it to, how to rig it, and how to generally take advantage of this. Later in the game, on one of my first few posts I questioned GlowingBear on what I thought was strange behavior of Templar's list. If he responded I didn't see it. Later I challanged Kelsier on his flirting with Bunnies. His response to me I thought was strange telling me to grow up. I guess I expected a "I'm pushing the thread" or an "I'm gathering reads from...". Nope, he says I need to grow up. Huh. I noticed a pattern with Templar and Kelsier that I didn't really notice with others. GlowingBear and Holyfire challenge Templar a little on his reads and not hunting. Templar responds with "I do have reads, see: Kita, Ninja, Froggy". 6 minutes later, Templar asks Kelsier about something, and Kelsier responds with "I don't like the explanation." 2 minutes after that Templar defends Kelsier again and leaves. Damdred dying led more credence to his RNG claim. Without that, it's pretty ridiculous. I'm certainly not smart enough to do it, but is Templar and the rest smart enough? If someone looks at the RNG claim, it's pretty easy to see that there is a relationship with Templar and Kelsier. Demdred and I are the only ones with any breadcrumbs that lead to a Templar and Kelsier relationship. Who would be more important to kill to stop that trail? There is a missing piece in your case. You have to clarify to me WHY everything you said about these people MAKES THEM SCUM. For example, why Templar defending Kelsier makes him scum? Ir kelsier flips town, is templar scum? If he flips mafia, is Templar scum? Answer: I don't know, because it can be from both alignments equally. What you say doesn't me he people scum. Worse: you're calling people scum using unflipped association. | ||
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I've just got home and I'm tired. Don't force me into making a full case on him. | ||
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On December 10 2014 00:11 Holyflare wrote: 2 people haven't posted in this game at all yet, useful -.- Oats, your post on vivax is wrong and your post refuting that wasn't in any english I could understand. Ls looks not bad to me, dunno why people are hating on him giving all the meta when loads of other people do the same. Ritoky seems angry for some reason because of this?? Obi still being useless, just because he was useless last game (russian) as town doesn't stop him being able to be useless this game as mafia. It just means he's useless which increases the odds of him being mafia. Kush.. Meh will resolve itself i think Gb hasn't really done anything but hasn't done anything outrageously wrong like I'd expect him to as town but his picking on solely koshi and like nothing else is wearing thin and is pretty scummy I dunno feel kinda iffy about hts after reading the things about kush feels a bit too flippant New list oats, obi, (gb?) bunnies Mehhhhbe/mehhhhbe not: hts, kush Seriously guys. I haven't seen such and inconsistency game from holyflare. | ||
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On December 13 2014 10:04 rsoultin wrote: What's inconsistent here? Help me out. He's saying you're null leaning scum, at least as far as I can tell. Sigh fiiiiiine. I'll explain then make the fucking case on him. Argh. He says in the beginning of the game he reads me town for doing things completely wrong. I just did one, in his point of view. He is reading me as mafia for it. Do you see the inconsistency? | ||
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HOLYFLARE IS MAFIA! Part 1 Entrance On December 09 2014 08:16 Holyflare wrote: Here's how it's going to roll. This game has a cap on posts so if you start the game with usual joke crap and useless things like rng that you don't follow through with then I'm going to deem you irresponsible and not worthy of being listened to this game. I've rolled town, I'm going to save my posts instead of being usual and chatty and just come up with my usual list of who to lynch and who to never lynch so that when I get nk'd you can just follow it. Get rekt mafia His entrance is bad. He says obvious things like saving posts because of post cap (which is a big cap, by the way, you can waste some posts). He then says he will ignore people that wastes posts. The problem is: he calls Templar out for the RNG thing but does not take any stance regarding it. He is also okay to ignore a thing that in a game with post cap could be considered a scum trait. Then he says the obvious thing about not wasting posts. This means (A) his entrance is a waste of post itself for not taking any stance and saying the obvious, (B) he is okay to ignore scum traits. Why this comes from a mafia: this is just a post to try looking contributive while being noncomittal and fluffy. This is also a pre-excuse to overlook any scummy people who are wasting their posts. Froggynoddy's entrance Froggynoddy's entrance is bad. It is. On December 09 2014 08:20 froggynoddy wrote: Gogogo. RNG sounds pretty silly. Though at least it would create some content and stop people from lurking. On the subject of lurking. having not played in a while... when I did play, town usually spent Day 1 arguing on whether to lynch lurkers, I assume this is still the case. I have to go to bed now (work in the morning) but pre-empting this topic lets just cut to the chase and all agree nicely that policy lynching is stupid, however in the absence of a decent slip to go on, lurkers are the best of bad lynch options. + Show Spoiler [If you have no idea why his entrance i…] + This entrance is bad because mafia tends to have a hard time to introduce themselves into the game. They will try to sound serious, to sound committal, so they look like they're town. Under this perspective: "Gogogo" is completely forced. Lynching lurkers wasn't being a trend in the topic but he says that policy lynchings are stupid and we shouldn't discuss it. The thread wasn't discussing. So, unnecessary to bring this up. By saying that we shouldn't discuss it, he starts a discussion towards it. But that's not the only problem. In the end of his sentence he ASSUMES it is ok to go against lurkers LOLOLOLOL. Why this comes from mafia? As I've already said, mafia will try to look contributive, so this is just him trying look townie by saying something very easy to say as mafia. Worse, he then contradicts himself saying that it is okay to lynch lurkers under the lack of good target, which makes his policy-talking shit a waste of post. It is also a pre-excuse if he chooses to lynch lurkers later in the day, so he won't take responsibility for it Holyflare picks on it in a timid way: + Show Spoiler + On December 09 2014 08:23 Holyflare wrote: So what you're saying is policy lynches are terrible but if it all goes sour you want to policy lynch?? So he also thinks this post is bad. Bunnies and Vivax, however, have different opinions: + Show Spoiler + On December 09 2014 08:32 27ninjabunnies wrote: @ Slam @ Damdred Didn't HF basically do just the same thing? Except more of he came into the thread with "Omgerd we have cap posts. Im town, follow me later" and then leaves. And yet, Damdred, you have him as town for basically a shit post? While I agree, people talking about policy lynching and lurkers seem off, he seems just an easy target for people to scum read because of that. On December 09 2014 08:35 Vivax wrote: What froggy said is simple common sense but also something that never matters cause at the end of the day it's mostly some scummy looking person getting lynched. I don't see it as scummy, just as something useless to talk about which isn't scummy at this stage of the game. The biggest accusation you could make is that he's so serious in a setting where people are kinda joking, but that's not enough to go with in my book. It's more like he's annoyed that people are discussing policies when in past games it always led to that statement of his making the most sense. Null for me. Notice that the basis of their argument is similar: it's a very easy target for scum. Then Holyflare comes with this very opportunistic post: On December 09 2014 08:37 Holyflare wrote: I'm still here and haven't made an excuse about leaving? I'm not sure I understand what you're saying in bold at all though. It's one thing to talk about policy but this is showing that first and foremost you did not read his post because: A) he wrote about not policy lynching lirkers because it's bad And B) he wrote about agreeing to policy lynch lurkers And secondly you are defending a person that "is an easy target to be scum read" when that person has done genuinely scummy things and you are brushing it off ##vote 27ninjabunnies Enjoy your date Why this comes from a mafia See, why does Holyflare doesn't attack Vivax for using the same argument? Why does he completely ignore Vivax and goes shit aggressive against bunnies? Why doesn't he even do that against froggy, the contradictory one? Because bunnies will turn into an easy lynch and the others may be (I SAID MAY BE) his scum partners. Holyflare even ended lynching bunnies. Then says that people outside the NB wagon are scummy, including froggy. But he makes NO ATTEMPT to discover his alignment. He is just pushing his own agenda, without even considering solving the game. He just says someone is scum and pushes it. Putting it in a simpler way: he says what town agenda is (looking to the wasted votes), but goes against his own agenda (pushing ritoky in a timid way) This is the end of part 1. Part 2 will be tomorrow, because I'm going to a party. | ||
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On December 13 2014 11:23 Vivax wrote: @ GB So you thought froggynoddys entrance was bad but didn't give a shit about him afterwards, also you include arguments for him being scum but only focus on HF today. Needless to say how that looks to me. Unless you have an explanation for only bringing up that entry as scummy now that you use it in your case against HF. Not impressed at all. I wasn't following the thread as I said multiple times, so your argument is invalid. You are also using ad hominem instead considering my whole argument GUUS IM DEUNK | ||
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HF IS MAFAI | ||
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On December 13 2014 13:40 rsoultin wrote: Viva, if you have questions for me, I am here to answer them, so it's a good time to ask. I will say, though, that GB looks like a good lynch to me today. Drunk or not. He's managed to have an excuse all game...not sitting well with me at all. U have a townread on you. Don't make me rescind that. You're not considering the present giving mechanics. It tells a lot about alignment, I'm sure HF is mafia | ||
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