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On December 15 2014 05:01 Xatalos wrote:
I don't think I've ever actually scumread Vivax. He was actually one of my highest townreads at some point, but currently I'm not really sure what to think... It's weird how he totally dropped the push on me and suddenly just returned to it. And again with bad reasons. Thinking about it, I can't recall any great (or even that good) points that he's brought forth. Maybe I was wrong about him.
Dude you have no idea how formulaic and artificial you sound when you're scum. I remember that game where you were town and EVERYBODY had trouble reading you until town started winning. That's cause you were more natural and less diplomatic than you are now.
I'm here in the thread, talk to me, you put a vote with no effect on a scummer you townread since D1 right at EoD piling up a bunch of half-assed reasons. You ignored what I wrote on Kelsier D1. You townread him for trap play before he explained it was trap play. Yes, I already mentioned this.
And if you want to push me as scumread then start immediately cause I wanna have a good laugh.
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On December 15 2014 05:05 rsoultin wrote:
I just filter-dived both of you, to be honest, and while I saw some questionable logic on both ends, I didn't get the impression that either of you were acting scummy. (And Viva, I was looking at you particularly close, even beginning to build a case, but there really wasn't one there to my eyes.)
I don't really understand the obsession with the town flips' scum lists though, Viva. That was your primary focus all day yesterday. Why? You don't really think scum is killing people for their scum lists like Tube does, do you?
Look at the list of probably towns Kelsier wrote, look at the nightkills, start thinking why scum chooses certain people. It's for their appearance and their reads.
Then look at the D2 wagons knowing that it was a really close call between scum and between HF.
Obviously if HF is scum this all falls apart and I'd expect them to have gone full bus on Kelsier.
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Judging from your filter, Xata, you have no scumreads now and for some reason you aren't suspicious of Oats.
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But you sure like to talk about setup, roles and claiming for someone with no reads.
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On December 15 2014 05:40 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2014 05:38 Vivax wrote:
Judging from your filter, Xata, you have no scumreads now and for some reason you aren't suspicious of Oats. ....What? I just specifically said that Oats needs attention from his apathy / vote behaviour. And I do have reads. I just don't think it's the best time to go making lists right now.
Needs attention is no opinion at all. Needs attention is saying you aren't going to do jack but you make it look like you care that some people find him scummy. The ones who really care go through his filter and talk about their conclusions in the thread.
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On December 15 2014 05:54 Xatalos wrote:
I think I was the first one to even mention his D2 play and how detached it was. Then some people defended him. So it's the opposite of what you're saying. Whatever. You're just tunneling and pointing everything I do or might do as scummy. Not very productive to discuss from that stance.
Cool that you try to take cred for pointing out something about someone you don't wanna read either way. If you're so sure your points were good, and still are, why not scumread him? There's plenty of scum left and FF was your last read. It's not clear where you stand now.
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On December 15 2014 06:06 sicklucker wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2014 05:54 Alakaslam wrote:On December 15 2014 05:33 Xatalos wrote:
Shooting LS would be stupid when he claimed the Ghost role and nobody counter-claimed him (which they should have done immediately if there was someone to counter-claim since the role became useless). There is WIFOM; there was no guarantee made that there were any ghosts. But I see you Ls is never gonna claim a random role and pray no one else has is because thats a bad play. Hes also a scared newb no offense that would never make a play like that. People you can shoot Slam froggy (probably this guy wtf is he even playing) tube oats vivax? ff Guys you should never shoot due to technical reasons Ls ( confirmed you baddies) Ritoky ( has a gun) Hf (claimed) Gb (kind of because hes so aligned with ritoky that if ritoky kills a mafia and gets confirmed so will he) obiwan ( he hammered mafia kp hes probably dead tonight anyway)
FecalFeast? You think he has been bussed from Kelsier since D1? Me? What is this shit, literally.
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On December 15 2014 06:11 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2014 06:07 Vivax wrote:On December 15 2014 05:54 Xatalos wrote:
I think I was the first one to even mention his D2 play and how detached it was. Then some people defended him. So it's the opposite of what you're saying. Whatever. You're just tunneling and pointing everything I do or might do as scummy. Not very productive to discuss from that stance. Cool that you try to take cred for pointing out something about someone you don't wanna read either way. If you're so sure your points were good, and still are, why not scumread him? There's plenty of scum left and FF was your last read. It's not clear where you stand now. This is giving me flashbacks of Damdred from last game... Originally I thought Oats was quite likely scum for not caring much about the D2 lynch. Then some people pointed out that as scum he should have showed up at deadline as KSC was a lynch candidate so maybe he really was just busy yesterday. So now I'm somewhat back to null on him.
So he can be busy as town but not busy as scum? What kind of argument is that??? If EoD is right at nighttime for him it doesn't matter whether he's town or scum, he's busy so he's busy. He's not going to set the alarm at EoD just cause of the eventuality that his scumbuddy gets lynched, and even if he does, how does he justify the voteswitch?
Excuses over excuses
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I could as well say that if Oats was town he'd care about who gets lynched and not be busy when it matters.
You arbitrarily say that as scum he wouldn't be busy when it matters.
Just as the scummy argument you used regarding 27nb. First she's probably town cause of the easy wagon, later she can be scum cause scum doesn't care or is bussing her.
You ooze scum so badly it hurts that nobody wants to lynch you.
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On December 15 2014 06:28 Fecalfeast wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2014 06:25 GlowingBear wrote:On December 15 2014 06:24 Fecalfeast wrote:On December 15 2014 06:22 sicklucker wrote:
I think santa should check his list twice on vivax. I think their is probably a mafia between him and xata. Like plz let them fight all day rusputin dont break that shit up. I also think there is scum between vivax and xat Why exactly? They were both on the wagon on me, xat being the last to unvote me and vivax unvoted me but re-voted once kelsier voted me.
I was on HF.....with you. Can you even read a votecount?
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I don't even care what you all think of me cause I'm claiming after night ends so we can proceed and lynch Xatalos. I'm very eager to see if the people saying "scum is between me and Xata" will act like they said that.
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On December 15 2014 07:03 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2014 06:59 Vivax wrote:
I don't even care what you all think of me cause I'm claiming after night ends so we can proceed and lynch Xatalos. I'm very eager to see if the people saying "scum is between me and Xata" will act like they said that. Flawed. Just...flawed. You've already claimed you have a role, so it's not going to matter now if you wait or not if you're not scum so...why don't you just out with it then? Not to mention Trfel (and others) have already pointed out the problem with claiming this game -_- So why you feel the need to throw it out there now I have no idea.
I'm surely not going to out it before the night ends. Scum doesn't know if my role is scrooge related and hence useless or if I can use my power to better ends, if I claim it now they know exactly whether to rb/shoot me or not.
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On December 15 2014 07:06 ObiWanShinobi wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2014 07:05 Vivax wrote:On December 15 2014 07:03 rsoultin wrote:On December 15 2014 06:59 Vivax wrote:
I don't even care what you all think of me cause I'm claiming after night ends so we can proceed and lynch Xatalos. I'm very eager to see if the people saying "scum is between me and Xata" will act like they said that. Flawed. Just...flawed. You've already claimed you have a role, so it's not going to matter now if you wait or not if you're not scum so...why don't you just out with it then? Not to mention Trfel (and others) have already pointed out the problem with claiming this game -_- So why you feel the need to throw it out there now I have no idea. I'm surely not going to out it before the night ends. Scum doesn't know if my role is scrooge related and hence useless or if I can use my power to better ends, if I claim it now they know exactly whether to rb/shoot me or not. I'm perfectly okay with you claiming and getting rb'd or shot. Saves us the trouble of sorting you.
I find it curious you put so much faith into people being on the correct wagon when your vote, along with Xatalos' achieved exactly nothing besides you being able to say that now.
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You're sneakily trying to fish for cred you don't deserve and judge others when they don't have it.
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On December 15 2014 07:11 ObiWanShinobi wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2014 07:09 Vivax wrote:
You're sneakily trying to fish for cred you don't deserve and judge others when they don't have it. Holy shit. That is the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard you say. Ever.
No cause you say scum is on the other wagons and scum wouldn't try to vote for their scumbuddy right at the end to not look badly when he flips, and your and Xatalos' votes fit into that pattern cause they were placed when Kelsier was already set to be lynched.
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On December 15 2014 07:14 batsnacks wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2014 07:13 Vivax wrote:On December 15 2014 07:11 ObiWanShinobi wrote:On December 15 2014 07:09 Vivax wrote:
You're sneakily trying to fish for cred you don't deserve and judge others when they don't have it. Holy shit. That is the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard you say. Ever. No cause you say scum is on the other wagons and scum wouldn't try to vote for their scumbuddy right at the end to not look badly when he flips, and your and Xatalos' votes fit into that pattern cause they were placed when Kelsier was already set to be lynched. Didn't OWS hammer KSC? I've been operating under that assumption. Someone else said it.
7 to 6
Xata votes, it's 8 to 6
Trfel switches, it's 7 to 7
Obi votes last making 8 to 7
The guy who achieves majority first gets lynched, so Obi voted when Kels was set to get lynched.
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On December 15 2014 07:20 ObiWanShinobi wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2014 07:18 Vivax wrote:On December 15 2014 07:14 batsnacks wrote:On December 15 2014 07:13 Vivax wrote:On December 15 2014 07:11 ObiWanShinobi wrote:On December 15 2014 07:09 Vivax wrote:
You're sneakily trying to fish for cred you don't deserve and judge others when they don't have it. Holy shit. That is the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard you say. Ever. No cause you say scum is on the other wagons and scum wouldn't try to vote for their scumbuddy right at the end to not look badly when he flips, and your and Xatalos' votes fit into that pattern cause they were placed when Kelsier was already set to be lynched. Didn't OWS hammer KSC? I've been operating under that assumption. Someone else said it. 7 to 6 Xata votes, it's 8 to 6 Trfel switches, it's 7 to 7 Obi votes last making 8 to 7 The guy who achieves majority first gets lynched, so Obi voted when Kels was set to get lynched. Except I could've voted Holyflare. So I still hammered. Smd.
You're right I didn't consider that.
I did consider it for Xata though but he positioned himself in a way that didn't allow him to vote for HF.
If I look at your posts pre-deadline though, it looks like you ninja voted KSC? Why not post anything in the thread, you posted some theory about HF being scum with Oats previously.
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On December 15 2014 07:22 rsoultin wrote:
Well...technically ritoky was the hammer vote. He was #7. But OWS was right. If Xata hadn't switched, and Trfel still did, without those two the lynch on KSC wouldn't have happened.
Viva, you're grasping at straws it seems.
I don't care, I'm posting at night, I'm sharing my thoughts, I don't care how wrong I am or how bad they look, anyone who knows my scum play (diplomatic, kinda active D1 and then I become super inactive) knows that this is town me and not scum me, plus I'm going to claim a role of which we know there's only one at day start. Suck it up.
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Scum is pro at sniping roles it seems.
Speaking of that, I'm the ghost of christmas yet to come, and if rsoultin suggests there can be two of them, I call insanity.
On December 12 2014 07:36 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
I've decided that LoneMeow is mafia.
With the caveat that he might not be.
On December 12 2014 07:39 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
(But seriously, he's like 100% mafia and should die super hard.)
Also looks like our pro vig might have shot the mason.
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On December 15 2014 08:11 sicklucker wrote:
Ya sign every power role failed us hard. This confirms dandred died to a present tho and im town.
No, Trfel died a town hero and the reason he played so timidly on D1 was that he had a PR. Last game he got shot N1 as a tracker and he seems to have learned his lesson. I kept that thought in the back of my mind but didn't make it public for obvious reasons, which is also why I was reluctant to lynch him when bats asked me to vote for him.
However I felt his voteswitch was odd so I wanted to know more about it.
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