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On December 10 2014 10:14 Tubesock wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2014 08:31 27ninjabunnies wrote:
Can you go a little bit more into Koshi, and what kind of read you've made on him since that post? Ok, sorry I missed this part during my attempt at formatting my first response. Koshi is null/town for me. I like that after his first big post he doesn't really push his agenda and seems to be genuinely information gathering. He'd be top third of my nice pile. His first post was long and I'll admit I'm one of those suckers for long posts. I disagreed with his Kelsier read but I'll post more on Kels later. I completely disagreed with his HTS assessment. I don't scum Lightning but it's not because he doesn't act crazy scummy it's because I've decided he's just bad. I should try to wade through his posts to find a single non meta type read. I don't think LS has any idea who the thread thinks is town. I'm sorry, I agree with him on you (NB). While I didn't have any idea about your experience, if you're town it seemed like your arguments were very muddled (which is what people criticize HTS for, but you seemed worse in the beginning). I'm with him on Obi. Seems like he's not interested in playing. I hope Obi shows up with some well thought out reads. Koshi isn't the first to say he's bored with someone/the thread (GB). I'm not following the significance of why people say they are bored? Is it to garner more dramatic posts? Saying people are not contributing being towny therefore everyone is acting scummy? I'm going to WIFOM myself to death on this claim (generally not specifically Koshi's boredom claim). Anyway, I don't necessarily agree with a lot of stuff Koshi says but his posts seem inquisitive and like he's thinking. If I see him posting while I still am on I'll be asking him questions for sure.
Oh the koshi thing was to HF, not you. haha
Damn, I'm apparently a terrible writer. This is the third time someone thought it was directed at them. lol
But since you did give a read on Koshi, what is your view of HF's read on Koshi where he claimed it freaked him out?
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Eh, @HF, I'm with Damdred on the oats reads; I suck at them.
He seems scummy to me a lot. So does bats. So you finding things that make him seem scummy both doesn't surprise me and I've already noticed.
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Oh I forgot about Tfrel we need to wait for him to post because with him not making posts past the /in I don't have a read on him at all sorry :|
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On December 10 2014 10:06 kitaman27 wrote:
I think you're missing the point of what I'm saying. I'm not asking if FF's post about tube is valid.
I'm asking why the same exact reasoning could apply to two players, yet he draws a town read on one and a scum read on the other.
I know you're not really asking me, but I think it's more a judgement on good/bad play versus town/scum. FF hasn't decided how bad I am yet, he's already labelled LS bad. I know LS was D1 killed in 2 games one of which he was the cop and still claimed but while I was reading it, I thought his play was so scummy he fake claimed. (Course someone CC'd and really sealed his fate).
So, if I were in FF's shoe's I'd judge Tubesack town/scum, but then just dismiss LS completely.
This is what I'm doing basically, I think LS is a plynch. I'd rather find a scummy player than kill LS who's just as likely to flip town as not.
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Bah, I think it is an irrelevant post.
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On December 10 2014 10:32 Tubesock wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2014 10:06 kitaman27 wrote:
I think you're missing the point of what I'm saying. I'm not asking if FF's post about tube is valid.
I'm asking why the same exact reasoning could apply to two players, yet he draws a town read on one and a scum read on the other. I know you're not really asking me, but I think it's more a judgement on good/bad play versus town/scum. FF hasn't decided how bad I am yet, he's already labelled LS bad. I know LS was D1 killed in 2 games one of which he was the cop and still claimed but while I was reading it, I thought his play was so scummy he fake claimed. (Course someone CC'd and really sealed his fate). So, if I were in FF's shoe's I'd judge Tubesack town/scum, but then just dismiss LS completely. This is what I'm doing basically, I think LS is a plynch. I'd rather find a scummy player than kill LS who's just as likely to flip town as not.
...you're judging yourself? In 2nd person? That's...different. Also I get the feeling you just said LS sucks at playing so should be ignored (at least for now). Is that more or less what you were driving at here?
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On December 10 2014 09:59 Half the Sky wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2014 09:21 Holyflare wrote:
Kush has completely gone away, hasn't read anything and claimed a role that would be great to trade 1 for 1 for mafia which he would love to do instead of being completely useless in an alignment he hates
Kush I know how you've played D1 in Student Mafia, but I actually do not understand your vote for Ritoky at the time you voted him. Pressure vote? Something you didn't like about him? Explain please?
i explained already look through my filter.
it was mostly placeholder.
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On December 10 2014 10:36 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2014 10:32 Tubesock wrote:On December 10 2014 10:06 kitaman27 wrote:
I think you're missing the point of what I'm saying. I'm not asking if FF's post about tube is valid.
I'm asking why the same exact reasoning could apply to two players, yet he draws a town read on one and a scum read on the other. I know you're not really asking me, but I think it's more a judgement on good/bad play versus town/scum. FF hasn't decided how bad I am yet, he's already labelled LS bad. I know LS was D1 killed in 2 games one of which he was the cop and still claimed but while I was reading it, I thought his play was so scummy he fake claimed. (Course someone CC'd and really sealed his fate). So, if I were in FF's shoe's I'd judge Tubesack town/scum, but then just dismiss LS completely. This is what I'm doing basically, I think LS is a plynch. I'd rather find a scummy player than kill LS who's just as likely to flip town as not. ...you're judging yourself? In 2nd person? That's...different. Also I get the feeling you just said LS sucks at playing so should be ignored (at least for now). Is that more or less what you were driving at here?
So I wasn't the only reading his post that way.
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On December 10 2014 10:08 Half the Sky wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2014 09:53 kitaman27 wrote:
HTS, bunnies, LS, Tube/anyone else in the thread currently. Do you guys feel this is noteworthy as well? Kitaman, what you just posted: To me, that shows inconsistency in FF's explanation in applying how meta is used. I am also making the assumption here that LS and Slam were NOT together in the Titanic Game. Both players are studying threads from other games, but FF seeing Tube doing this as a new player....I do not see how that's more town or scumlike than any other player doing research outside the thread, barring a scum QT. Considering LS and at least one more player have said they are doing research outside the thread, I wouldn't be surprised if Tubesack saw this and just went ahead and did the same thing. And with that, 1am here means I need to head to bed, with work again at 8am.
I've sort of done research outside this thread. Basically, I was bored last thursday and was curious what the TL Mafia category was (SC2 and Kerbal Space Program were slow). I clicked on the Student Mafia link and just got sucked in. I binged read that till page 108 I think. I then started reading the Campus (tried to read the MS paint one but it didn't suck me in at all) and stopped around page 90 or so. Then I saw this post for this game and /obs'd but talked myself (with encouragement from others to just /in. Now you're stuck with my rambling.
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Cool. If I don't sleep I'll read the thread and post thoughts.
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Don't like Kelsier's followup after he claimed to find FF scummy (which was basically no followup), plus he talks too much about Alakaslam for my liking, stating how he gets interesting information from people semi-townreading him and how he gets a freepass. This reads sort of whiny like a scummer who is sad panda cause a troll gets a free pass.
He says it's interesting information but doesn't apply it to his reasoning anywhere, it's supposed to concern 27nb and Damdred since they gave Alakaslam a read.
What he's doing about fecalfeast I don't know. Overall a guy I find difficult (read:tedious) to read and all over the place, spamming townreads on a whim in the later stages of his filter. Could lynch him cause he smells of bullcrap occasionally, like the fecalfeast read with a completely different focus afterwards and the fact he calls the Alakaslam townreads informative without explaining how.
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On December 10 2014 10:36 rsoultin wrote:
...you're judging yourself? In 2nd person? That's...different. Also I get the feeling you just said LS sucks at playing so should be ignored (at least for now). Is that more or less what you were driving at here?
Yes, exactly.
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On December 10 2014 09:42 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2014 09:28 27ninjabunnies wrote:Okay, I have only 33 posts made, so I'm good for now  WOOT MORE DEFENSE COMING UP! Okay, So I think I'm just going to go through filters. So it seems there is a ritoky/FF omgus voting between them going on? I see someone said ritoky has a case on FF, but FF do you have a case on Ritoky anywhere? Also, as for LS, where is your mind with that Slam. You said he hasn't done anything townie, but has he done anything scumm in your eyes? Also @Slam- my bf does want to start playing mafia. Lol, but I think Ima introduce him to video mafia first.... Ya'll slaughter people here in forum. haha I was scum with Slam on Student and he was Scum on Titanic he not being as useless as those two games as he did tried to start a discussion after a bit of fluff posts prove it I have no memory of that place and he tried to steer people in the right direction when although he does think I'm scum which is not alignment indicative unless GUS but everyone got their opinions. @bats I tried to frame you in that game to save my scum team and I not sheeping anyone in this game although yes my post might of looked like OWS but I guess it just our posting style are similar and it was FF post about sicklucker got me to look at sicklucker although I misread his shenanigans this game and thought he was scum but now I think he is town.
ALAKASLAM
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On December 10 2014 09:53 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2014 09:34 GlowingBear wrote:On December 10 2014 09:23 kitaman27 wrote:On December 10 2014 07:40 Fecalfeast wrote:
Tubesack, null/town?: I'm not sure how I feel about a brand new player having such elaborate reads and checking other threads. On the one hand it's towny that he's trying so hard but on the other, I don't know if he's a natural tryhard or is getting a lot of help from a scum QT. If I had to read him without paranoia, he is town just because I'd never take notes as scum and I love playing scum. On December 09 2014 12:43 LightningStrike wrote:
I looked GB past games and he seemed to town aligned this game and Slam isn't posting stuff like he did when he was scum in the Titanic Game. On December 09 2014 17:46 Fecalfeast wrote:
Yeah LS is scummy as heck It seems like the reasoning that leads you to believe tube is probably town isn't taken into account when evaluating LS. Why does it apply in one case, but not the other? SILENCE EVERYBODY, THIS POST IS EXTREMELY RELEVANT. HTS, bunnies, LS, Tube/anyone else in the thread currently. Do you guys feel this is noteworthy as well?
Yes, FTR.
Currently I still vote LS however.
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Slam why you view me scum? I will defend myself if you give me your reasons for calling me scum because I know I not scum this game.
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Cool, townslam.
I think this game is going to be easy.
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On December 10 2014 10:45 Alakaslam wrote:
Yes, FTR.
Currently I still vote LS however.
What is FTR?
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On December 10 2014 10:42 Tubesock wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2014 10:36 rsoultin wrote:
...you're judging yourself? In 2nd person? That's...different. Also I get the feeling you just said LS sucks at playing so should be ignored (at least for now). Is that more or less what you were driving at here? Yes, exactly.
I think I phrased it as "new and learning" but I agree. Nitpicking him is pointless at this stage.
So is nitpicking tube. Let the guy get his sea legs a little first before you start scumreading him like he actually knows how to play scum @Vivax.
Speaking of Vivo la Vida Loca...you're definitely coming across as lazy in those reads. Still. Same opinion on 27NB, by the way, or has anything changed?
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On December 09 2014 22:45 liancourt wrote:+ Show Spoiler +i thought this was going to be a light game with post restrictions.
The amount of people sadly counterbalances this. ;;
On December 09 2014 22:54 LoneMeow wrote:
Honestly if I see one more post from LightningStrike with the word "meta" in it my brain is going to explode.
I fear the same will happen to me.
On December 09 2014 22:58 Koshi wrote:
Everybody is allowed and even adviced to completely ignore Kush. There is no use talking to him. We will have to deal with him D2 or D3.
This is a dangerous thing to assume. If he actually is scrooge then he probably dies night one.
I'm actually really annoyed. As I said earlier, I believe that Scrooge is vital to this game, as he is the primary target of four different roles. He is almost certainly in this game, even if it's not kush. Unfortunately, if Marley is in this game we are probably sunk if Kush is, in fact, Scrooge.
At the same time, if Scrooge dies, we have three useless town roles that could claim.
On December 09 2014 23:29 GlowingBear wrote:
Koshi, why Templar "paying attention" is something so relevant to you?
Why is this so important to you?
On December 10 2014 00:10 Tubesock wrote:Holy Moses. I didn't think I was such a slow reader but it's been hours and I feel I will never catch up to the thread while taking notes also. I'm trying to get reads, but they are conflicting with people who I feel are pretty freaking smart sounding. Namely, Koshi and Xata. Koshi, since you are here can you tell me more about your HTS read? I feel I'm fairly null/town on her. Namely, I believe that Froggy's plynch statement isn't meaningful. Bunny latches and basically posts it's probably bad but she thinks it's ok. Then scum lists Froggy. Then several people jump on her and later Dam asks HTS about the Froggy/plynch read. HTS replies that it's null on his part but Bunnies scum listing is scummy. HTS doesn't seem to scumlist Froggy. Then a bunch more people argue (kelsierSC, Bats, Viv others). I'd like to know why I should elevate the signifigance of HTS's reads and downplay Bunny's? Also I think people should read this more closely from the OP: Show nested quote +On December 04 2014 19:32 Palmar wrote:Setup Information All the roles below can be present in the game, and no role has any sort of a guarantee that it exists in the game. There may for example be three Ghosts of Christmas Yet To Come, no other Ghosts and no Scrooge, yet Marley might be present. In the same sense, there may be Disgruntled Christmas Workers without any Santas or Branch Managers. There may also be multiple instances of the same role. It appears that given bad enough RNG we could have 6 Marlows, or 6 Mass Murderers, or 0. Which makes me wonder why we had a Scrooge claim?? It makes me wonder if any claims will matter as we can have multiples...so why not counterclaim?
There will almost certainly not be 6 mass murderers. MM is a mafia role, and there can only be as many MMs as mafia. Plus, the game is presumably balanced, so if there are 6 MMs, there is enough town power to compensate.
There was a scrooge claim because someone said there should be a scrooge claim.
On December 10 2014 00:21 GlowingBear wrote:
By the way, I had a present and I sent it to a player around 12 hours ago, I believe. Please don't reveal yourself but know that you've received it by a townie who isn't named VT.
Bye.
So, you're claiming a role. Great. Why?
*yawn, yawn, skip through a bunch of useless posts around page 43*
On December 10 2014 02:07 27ninjabunnies wrote:
I'm laughing so hard right now. Like so hard.
I love the votes on me, I really do. Im doing a bit of rereading, but I won't br able to make a huge post until after my final today.
That being said, I noticed some things after I left for my date (which went amazing btw. I got serenaded. So fucking hot)
So people were curious as to why I put 2/3 town who were jumping on the froggy scum thing. That's because I was reading then town for posts they said that werent in regards to froggy at all. The reason I put froggy as iffy was because, 1. I said his post wasnt alignment indicative, but that doesnt mean I have a read on him. He hadnt said anything else up to the point I posted my reads, so I put him as iffy for not having a read.
Im only up to page 21, so I have a long way to go, but Ill try and read through quick and posts thoughts along the way. If you have questions for me Ill be more than happy to answer.
Keep in mind you are lynching a town here. Im hoping to be able to redeem myself.
To victory boys and girls!
looks like a mafia post, although this may be my intentionally-not-christmas-color tinted glasses. I don't think so. It has the same tone as the post you made before there were 9 votes on you.
On December 10 2014 02:20 Damdred wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2014 02:10 Tubesock wrote:On December 10 2014 02:04 Vivax wrote:
Why do you scumlist froggy, tube? Crap, I didn't. I think he's null. Shit, I totally meant I scum 27NB for her posts that were wishy washy on Froggy but later scum lists him and continues talking about her boobs being too big for bras. I should have put quotations. Sorry, It's 3 am here and I'm fading. But can't sleep cause this stupid game is consuming me. On December 10 2014 02:03 Damdred wrote:
Well tube do you believe template role claim? No, I am discarding his Santa "claim" and I think I saw another but I didn't give it any credence. I need to go back and reread that. I don't think he ever made a Santa claim at all... He did make a joy claim though
I put myself into the role of Santa before realizing that I was probably claiming for doing so. I may or may not be Santa.
On December 10 2014 02:26 Damdred wrote:
Meh we asked template for a story he delivered I wouldn't lynch a claimed named vt today I believe.
kush did this stunt in the anime mafia game as town as well....so there's that
Joyful child isn't a named VT as far as we know. Elf could just as easily be the named VT.
On December 10 2014 03:35 Fecalfeast wrote:
300posts to read after sleeping. Can someone give me the death present please?
Give it to me pls ;;
On December 10 2014 05:16 Damdred wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2014 04:39 froggynoddy wrote:
Why do you keep saying this is doublespeak? This is not double speak fella. I think you should explain why you seem to think so as I don't think I can explain myself any better than I already have.
On another note I don't like lists (apart from Santa's of course). Way too easy to appear town without actually doing anything to benefit town.
FOS:
Ninja (i.e. defends me without really defending - adds a list - no other content or justification)
and possibly Templar (list, does no justify reads, everything posted so far is just description of other people's reads - fluff - or overreaction)
Still reading... .....Becasue it is double speak. Don't policy lynch, lynching lurkers is a form of policy lynching, in a big game a good scum strategy is to lurk and they are a ok lynch?
Reading up on the Froggy posts.
On December 10 2014 04:10 froggynoddy wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On December 09 2014 08:25 Damdred wrote:
Ritoky, HF, Templar are in my town pile. Slam is tentatively town
Froggynoddy is in scum pile
Bats I thought you weren't goin to make the opening salvo? On December 09 2014 08:23 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On December 09 2014 08:20 froggynoddy wrote:
Gogogo.
RNG sounds pretty silly. Though at least it would create some content and stop people from lurking.
On the subject of lurking. having not played in a while... when I did play, town usually spent Day 1 arguing on whether to lynch lurkers, I assume this is still the case. I have to go to bed now (work in the morning) but pre-empting this topic lets just cut to the chase and all agree nicely that policy lynching is stupid, however in the absence of a decent slip to go on, lurkers are the best of bad lynch options.
So what you're saying is policy lynches are terrible but if it all goes sour you want to policy lynch?? On December 09 2014 08:22 Damdred wrote:Show nested quote +On December 09 2014 08:20 froggynoddy wrote:
Gogogo.
RNG sounds pretty silly. Though at least it would create some content and stop people from lurking.
On the subject of lurking. having not played in a while... when I did play, town usually spent Day 1 arguing on whether to lynch lurkers, I assume this is still the case. I have to go to bed now (work in the morning) but pre-empting this topic lets just cut to the chase and all agree nicely that policy lynching is stupid, however in the absence of a decent slip to go on, lurkers are the best of bad lynch options.
-5 town points for this post, going into the bad boy category tonight ##Unvote TemplarStory shows awesomeness On December 09 2014 08:30 Damdred wrote:Show nested quote +On December 09 2014 08:27 KelsierSC wrote:On December 09 2014 08:25 Damdred wrote:
Ritoky, HF, Templar are in my town pile. Slam is tentatively town
Froggynoddy is in scum pile
Bats I thought you weren't goin to make the opening salvo? i like how you can already split your town and tentative town Cause i'm comfortable puttinng hf rit and templar into a pile, slam is slam so i'm not comfortable putting him with my other new town toys yet. Show nested quote +On December 09 2014 08:27 27ninjabunnies wrote:On December 09 2014 08:25 Damdred wrote:
Ritoky, HF, Templar are in my town pile. Slam is tentatively town
Froggynoddy is in scum pile
Bats I thought you weren't goin to make the opening salvo? Curious on your thought process here hun. What did Froggy do, or not do, to be put into your scum pile? Cause he made a pretty bad post that boiled down to, lets agree lynching lurkers is a bad thing but i'd be ok with lynching lurkers. Ok, perhaps I should explain things a little more simply. My statement can be broken down as follows 1. ANY policy (including lurker lynching) is bad because it stops people from scumhunting;2. Lurking is still a valid criteria to lynch on, however it is just one of many criteria and should be given its appropriate weight; 3. It's DAY1, therefore we are not going to have much evidence/criteria to go on. Furthermore, this is a relatively large game. As such its an easy scum tactic to lurk whilst town lynches someone who is involved in the thread on very poor evidence (again because this is the nature of day 1 lynches), therefore lurking is a decent criteria to justify a lynch at this stage, just not one that warrants a policy. I shall read rest of the thread now...
So, I got from this that scum hunting is important, but that day 1 lynches are based on poor evidence and therefore shouldn't be done because scum will be lurking, HOWEVER lynching possible lurking scum completely prevents scum hunting. Wahaaaaaat?
However, I am OK with his read on me, despite it being one of the most negative ones in the thread. This is, of course, the only reasonable thing I have seen. It has, so far, taken him 6 hours to not come up with a read. He said he was reading through the thread and didn't really give any evidence of this.
Adding to naughty list for now.
On December 10 2014 07:50 liancourt wrote:+ Show Spoiler +low content game they said
how wrong they were
3~4 filter max they said
already near 50 pages and its not even end of day 1
total ragnorak they said
do u want to build a snowman?
I'm disappointed by how much everyone is spamming too. It's like me on other areas of this site.
My mother is leaning over my shoulder and asking why I'm spending so much time on one post. Speeding through thread...
On December 10 2014 09:34 KelsierSC wrote:
So i need to sleep and conserve posts.
I'm going to finish off my town circle tomorrow morning and then lynch into whoever is left.
I'm going to add templar to my town circle, initially he was nl for his story, but his posts did have reads and i really like his reentry post, i agree with all his reads, he doesn't like gb, doesn't like ls, on my phone can't remember 3rd read...maybe it was nb. Ah i knew i liked it though.
its interesting 2 people , one after the other, say my play is one liners or fluffy but ive actually made plays and given substantial reads rather than just spam inane bs in spoiler tags.
I must have missed it, who said your posts were fluffy? I think they are pretty short but on-topic. You really need to slow down your posting though, you're going to reach the limit soon.
And yes, a lot of your posts are one-liners. Some are two lines.
On December 10 2014 09:37 27ninjabunnies wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2014 04:39 froggynoddy wrote:
Why do you keep saying this is doublespeak? This is not double speak fella. I think you should explain why you seem to think so as I don't think I can explain myself any better than I already have.
On another note I don't like lists (apart from Santa's of course). Way too easy to appear town without actually doing anything to benefit town.
FOS:
Ninja (i.e. defends me without really defending - adds a list - no other content or justification)
and possibly Templar (list, does no justify reads, everything posted so far is just description of other people's reads - fluff - or overreaction)
Still reading... Also, how jerky is this? I defend his ass saying his post is not alignment indicative. Go through hell for it, and he fucking scum reads me. What is this shit? Also 4 posts? Never should have defended you.
? I do this too. Just because you say he's town doesn't mean he has to recuperate. Stop expecting gifts from people. More coal in your stocking.
On December 10 2014 10:04 LightningStrike wrote:
Okay Templar I forgot to answer your questions and I will answer now
Within those stories there were reads, also possible questions for other players. Also you had some good questions trying to lead a discussion in this game for a bit so that why I town read you.
Damdred is more of a meta reason why I think he is town because his posting is pretty similar how was in Student Mafia which I played with him. OWS again meta reasons that I think he town since his play seemed to mimic his town play on Russia Today game for his Day 1 stuff. I also changed my views on sicklucker after learning his shenanigans was the present claim I concluded that he is in fact his normal self for town which have mix of wacky shenanigans to force early town reads and some non sense it just how he is.
Your answer on why you considered my posts towny. Other people seem to think I was restating a lot in the thread and didn't have original content. What parts of my posts do you think were thought-provoking?
Damdred/OWS: I know you seem to like to compare people to how they were in a recent game you played, but I don't consider this sufficient evidence. One game, unless it is the entirety of one's play or it's very distinctive (see S1CKLuCk3R), could, from my experience, be outdated evidence or an outlier unless it is in line with other games.
On December 10 2014 10:09 27ninjabunnies wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2014 10:04 rsoultin wrote:
Yes, yes, see his post count. See how he plays. LS is clearly new too. @27NB The sarcasm is real in this one Lol, 2000 plus posts. Yeah not new. Okay... So yeah, kita... GG Where is the relevance in the LS read ? Or where you said that why isn't FF reading Tube and LS the same, when they aren't both new?
I have 34,000 posts. Would you like to guess how many games of mafia I've played on TL?
On December 10 2014 10:53 GlowingBear wrote:
Cool, townslam.
I think this game is going to be easy.
How has his play differed from when you read him scum?
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@Templar mainly your reads on KSC because I would of policy lynch him for the shit he pulled in the Campus Mafia game when he counter claimed me on Cop and turns out he/OWs who replaced him after Day 2 or 3 was Town but now that he seems lurkier than his town game I played with him on Campus Mafia I do have a concern he possibly could be scum but I don't have enough evidence to confirm if he's scum or not. My stuff on sicklucker was from recent games no worries on that part of him Templar. Damdred was trying to get a Discussion going along with HF and I see that as towny because scum normally don't try to get a Discussion going and he led it towards town side, OWS case was similar to his Russia Today game which was only ended a week ago I think but it recent enough to not raise my alarm just yet unless there is something. The reason I didn't pull the trigger on KSC because I had little reads on him until your post about him in one of your many stories.
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