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On December 10 2014 09:21 Holyflare wrote:
Kush has completely gone away, hasn't read anything and claimed a role that would be great to trade 1 for 1 for mafia which he would love to do instead of being completely useless in an alignment he hates
Not just that, the bigger issue as was pointed out is that he ninja voted Ritoky well before the FF/Ritoky OMGUS battle broke out, there is no explanation in his filter for doing so.
Kush I know how you've played D1 in Student Mafia, but I actually do not understand your vote for Ritoky at the time you voted him. Pressure vote? Something you didn't like about him? Explain please?
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On December 10 2014 09:53 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2014 09:34 GlowingBear wrote:On December 10 2014 09:23 kitaman27 wrote:On December 10 2014 07:40 Fecalfeast wrote:
Tubesack, null/town?: I'm not sure how I feel about a brand new player having such elaborate reads and checking other threads. On the one hand it's towny that he's trying so hard but on the other, I don't know if he's a natural tryhard or is getting a lot of help from a scum QT. If I had to read him without paranoia, he is town just because I'd never take notes as scum and I love playing scum. On December 09 2014 12:43 LightningStrike wrote:
I looked GB past games and he seemed to town aligned this game and Slam isn't posting stuff like he did when he was scum in the Titanic Game. On December 09 2014 17:46 Fecalfeast wrote:
Yeah LS is scummy as heck It seems like the reasoning that leads you to believe tube is probably town isn't taken into account when evaluating LS. Why does it apply in one case, but not the other? SILENCE EVERYBODY, THIS POST IS EXTREMELY RELEVANT. HTS, bunnies, LS, Tube/anyone else in the thread currently. Do you guys feel this is noteworthy as well?
Okay, So I like FF post about Tubesack. But Im not sure how being a brand new player is alignment indicative. So what if he is elaborate? Has he played elsewhere? etc. Idk. just a weird fucking read.
Also is LS new too?
Either way, I don't think this post is extremely relevant, but I do want to hear more about FF read between LS and Tube, and why he is voting Ritoky over LS who he says is "Scummy as fuck"
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On December 10 2014 09:59 Half the Sky wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2014 09:21 Holyflare wrote:
Kush has completely gone away, hasn't read anything and claimed a role that would be great to trade 1 for 1 for mafia which he would love to do instead of being completely useless in an alignment he hates
Not just that, the bigger issue as was pointed out is that he ninja voted Ritoky well before the FF/Ritoky OMGUS battle broke out, there is no explanation in his filter for doing so. Kush I know how you've played D1 in Student Mafia, but I actually do not understand your vote for Ritoky at the time you voted him. Pressure vote? Something you didn't like about him? Explain please?
Ritoky explained why I voted him.
Also, I explained it was a joke. I just didnt rush to change it. lol
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EBWOP: When I say I like FF post about Tube, I don't mean that I agree with it. I mean that in terms of relevance, it might be. But I think it's a weird fucking read. It's more relevant in reading him leaning towards scum.
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Okay Templar I forgot to answer your questions and I will answer now
Within those stories there were reads, also possible questions for other players. Also you had some good questions trying to lead a discussion in this game for a bit so that why I town read you.
Damdred is more of a meta reason why I think he is town because his posting is pretty similar how was in Student Mafia which I played with him. OWS again meta reasons that I think he town since his play seemed to mimic his town play on Russia Today game for his Day 1 stuff. I also changed my views on sicklucker after learning his shenanigans was the present claim I concluded that he is in fact his normal self for town which have mix of wacky shenanigans to force early town reads and some non sense it just how he is.
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kitaman27
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On December 10 2014 09:57 rsoultin wrote:I am Rasputin. I also answer to RS, putin, rsoul, what have you. Because this was eluded to by I forget who...the reasons for voting OWS were obvious in my interactions with OWS, but I do not expect people to actually pay that close attention (as y'all have clearly now demonstrated) so put it all in a nice neat post to see if that would generate any discussion. Which it has to some small extent. LS is new and learning. My prods at him were to get him to post more and post on things other than just his initial list. If vets want to rely on meta, more power to you, you might actually know what you're talking about (even if I can't trust those of you I've never played with before on others I haven't played with before) however LS using meta makes no sense. That said, he probably is trying to learn from the vets. I see no reason to scumlist him at this time and agree that being fine with tube and not with LS is contradictory. Spending pages and pages reiterating the same weak points irritates. Thus the dismissal of 27NB and HTS. 27NB has done little in her newest posts either, however...though she has given some reads so I will wait to see when her reading catches up to her posts. Also... Show nested quote +On December 10 2014 07:02 kitaman27 wrote:On December 10 2014 06:54 Fecalfeast wrote:On December 10 2014 06:49 ritoky wrote:On December 10 2014 06:46 Fecalfeast wrote:
Yeah I don't really care, ritoky, sorry. yup, cuz this is town Is it scum, though? I /obsed this thread because I knew I wouldn't be happy with certain roles but was told it would be a low content game and not to worry about lurking. Well if you can't keep up with the thread, can you read and give reads on individual filters that shouldn't be more than a few pages long? Really not sure who your scum reads are at all. If you want individual names, pick some people from rsoultin, froggy, Obi, batsnacks, ritoky, LoneMeow, Tube? Hinting I'm scummy, punk? Tell me what you really think xP
I grabbed a list of people that most people don't seem to have a strong read about.
What I think is that you should be more concerned about other things than why you name might show up on a list 
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Netherlands15308 Posts
Yes, yes, see his post count. See how he plays. LS is clearly new too. @27NB
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kitaman27
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On December 10 2014 10:00 27ninjabunnies wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2014 09:53 kitaman27 wrote:On December 10 2014 09:34 GlowingBear wrote:On December 10 2014 09:23 kitaman27 wrote:On December 10 2014 07:40 Fecalfeast wrote:
Tubesack, null/town?: I'm not sure how I feel about a brand new player having such elaborate reads and checking other threads. On the one hand it's towny that he's trying so hard but on the other, I don't know if he's a natural tryhard or is getting a lot of help from a scum QT. If I had to read him without paranoia, he is town just because I'd never take notes as scum and I love playing scum. On December 09 2014 12:43 LightningStrike wrote:
I looked GB past games and he seemed to town aligned this game and Slam isn't posting stuff like he did when he was scum in the Titanic Game. On December 09 2014 17:46 Fecalfeast wrote:
Yeah LS is scummy as heck It seems like the reasoning that leads you to believe tube is probably town isn't taken into account when evaluating LS. Why does it apply in one case, but not the other? SILENCE EVERYBODY, THIS POST IS EXTREMELY RELEVANT. HTS, bunnies, LS, Tube/anyone else in the thread currently. Do you guys feel this is noteworthy as well? Okay, So I like FF post about Tubesack. But Im not sure how being a brand new player is alignment indicative. So what if he is elaborate? Has he played elsewhere? etc. Idk. just a weird fucking read.
I think you're missing the point of what I'm saying. I'm not asking if FF's post about tube is valid.
I'm asking why the same exact reasoning could apply to two players, yet he draws a town read on one and a scum read on the other.
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On December 10 2014 10:00 27ninjabunnies wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2014 09:53 kitaman27 wrote:On December 10 2014 09:34 GlowingBear wrote:On December 10 2014 09:23 kitaman27 wrote:On December 10 2014 07:40 Fecalfeast wrote:
Tubesack, null/town?: I'm not sure how I feel about a brand new player having such elaborate reads and checking other threads. On the one hand it's towny that he's trying so hard but on the other, I don't know if he's a natural tryhard or is getting a lot of help from a scum QT. If I had to read him without paranoia, he is town just because I'd never take notes as scum and I love playing scum. On December 09 2014 12:43 LightningStrike wrote:
I looked GB past games and he seemed to town aligned this game and Slam isn't posting stuff like he did when he was scum in the Titanic Game. On December 09 2014 17:46 Fecalfeast wrote:
Yeah LS is scummy as heck It seems like the reasoning that leads you to believe tube is probably town isn't taken into account when evaluating LS. Why does it apply in one case, but not the other? SILENCE EVERYBODY, THIS POST IS EXTREMELY RELEVANT. HTS, bunnies, LS, Tube/anyone else in the thread currently. Do you guys feel this is noteworthy as well? Okay, So I like FF post about Tubesack. But Im not sure how being a brand new player is alignment indicative. So what if he is elaborate? Has he played elsewhere? etc. Idk. just a weird fucking read. Also is LS new too? Either way, I don't think this post is extremely relevant, but I do want to hear more about FF read between LS and Tube, and why he is voting Ritoky over LS who he says is "Scummy as fuck"
This is my 3rd game on TL Mafia. My first one was Campus Mafia where I was a Cop and got lynched Day 1 due to me being a idiot on the counter claiming stuff from KSC who I still not forgiven him for that -.-
My 2nd Game was Student Mafia where I was scum and sheeped bats to frame him for my team.
Here are my filters for both of these games
Campus Mafia:http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/469857-campus-mafia-new-newish-players-welcome?user=LightningStrike
Student Mafia:http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/471489-student-mafia-iv-new-newish-players-welcome?user=LightningStrike
Hope these filters can help you understand my meta.
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On December 10 2014 10:07 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2014 10:00 27ninjabunnies wrote:On December 10 2014 09:53 kitaman27 wrote:On December 10 2014 09:34 GlowingBear wrote:On December 10 2014 09:23 kitaman27 wrote:On December 10 2014 07:40 Fecalfeast wrote:
Tubesack, null/town?: I'm not sure how I feel about a brand new player having such elaborate reads and checking other threads. On the one hand it's towny that he's trying so hard but on the other, I don't know if he's a natural tryhard or is getting a lot of help from a scum QT. If I had to read him without paranoia, he is town just because I'd never take notes as scum and I love playing scum. On December 09 2014 12:43 LightningStrike wrote:
I looked GB past games and he seemed to town aligned this game and Slam isn't posting stuff like he did when he was scum in the Titanic Game. On December 09 2014 17:46 Fecalfeast wrote:
Yeah LS is scummy as heck It seems like the reasoning that leads you to believe tube is probably town isn't taken into account when evaluating LS. Why does it apply in one case, but not the other? SILENCE EVERYBODY, THIS POST IS EXTREMELY RELEVANT. HTS, bunnies, LS, Tube/anyone else in the thread currently. Do you guys feel this is noteworthy as well? Okay, So I like FF post about Tubesack. But Im not sure how being a brand new player is alignment indicative. So what if he is elaborate? Has he played elsewhere? etc. Idk. just a weird fucking read. Also is LS new too? Either way, I don't think this post is extremely relevant, but I do want to hear more about FF read between LS and Tube, and why he is voting Ritoky over LS who he says is "Scummy as fuck" This is my 3rd game on TL Mafia. My first one was Campus Mafia where I was a Cop and got lynched Day 1 due to me being a idiot on the counter claiming stuff from KSC who I still not forgiven him for that -.- My 2nd Game was Student Mafia where I was scum and sheeped bats to frame him for my team. Here are my filters for both of these games Campus Mafia: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/469857-campus-mafia-new-newish-players-welcome?user=LightningStrikeStudent Mafia: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/471489-student-mafia-iv-new-newish-players-welcome?user=LightningStrikeHope these filters can help you understand my meta.
EBWOP: fixed the links!
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On December 10 2014 09:53 kitaman27 wrote:
HTS, bunnies, LS, Tube/anyone else in the thread currently. Do you guys feel this is noteworthy as well?
Kitaman, what you just posted:
To me, that shows inconsistency in FF's explanation in applying how meta is used. I am also making the assumption here that LS and Slam were NOT together in the Titanic Game. Both players are studying threads from other games, but FF seeing Tube doing this as a new player....I do not see how that's more town or scumlike than any other player doing research outside the thread, barring a scum QT.
Considering LS and at least one more player have said they are doing research outside the thread, I wouldn't be surprised if Tubesack saw this and just went ahead and did the same thing.
And with that, 1am here means I need to head to bed, with work again at 8am.
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On December 10 2014 10:04 rsoultin wrote:
Yes, yes, see his post count. See how he plays. LS is clearly new too. @27NB
The sarcasm is real in this one
Lol, 2000 plus posts. Yeah not new.
Okay...
So yeah, kita... GG
Where is the relevance in the LS read ?
Or where you said that why isn't FF reading Tube and LS the same, when they aren't both new?
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On December 10 2014 10:06 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2014 10:00 27ninjabunnies wrote:On December 10 2014 09:53 kitaman27 wrote:On December 10 2014 09:34 GlowingBear wrote:On December 10 2014 09:23 kitaman27 wrote:On December 10 2014 07:40 Fecalfeast wrote:
Tubesack, null/town?: I'm not sure how I feel about a brand new player having such elaborate reads and checking other threads. On the one hand it's towny that he's trying so hard but on the other, I don't know if he's a natural tryhard or is getting a lot of help from a scum QT. If I had to read him without paranoia, he is town just because I'd never take notes as scum and I love playing scum. On December 09 2014 12:43 LightningStrike wrote:
I looked GB past games and he seemed to town aligned this game and Slam isn't posting stuff like he did when he was scum in the Titanic Game. On December 09 2014 17:46 Fecalfeast wrote:
Yeah LS is scummy as heck It seems like the reasoning that leads you to believe tube is probably town isn't taken into account when evaluating LS. Why does it apply in one case, but not the other? SILENCE EVERYBODY, THIS POST IS EXTREMELY RELEVANT. HTS, bunnies, LS, Tube/anyone else in the thread currently. Do you guys feel this is noteworthy as well? Okay, So I like FF post about Tubesack. But Im not sure how being a brand new player is alignment indicative. So what if he is elaborate? Has he played elsewhere? etc. Idk. just a weird fucking read. I think you're missing the point of what I'm saying. I'm not asking if FF's post about tube is valid. I'm asking why the same exact reasoning could apply to two players, yet he draws a town read on one and a scum read on the other.
I dont see how reasoning could be applied to two players.
Idk I think I might be missing something here.
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Netherlands15308 Posts
On December 10 2014 10:04 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2014 09:57 rsoultin wrote:I am Rasputin. I also answer to RS, putin, rsoul, what have you. Because this was eluded to by I forget who...the reasons for voting OWS were obvious in my interactions with OWS, but I do not expect people to actually pay that close attention (as y'all have clearly now demonstrated) so put it all in a nice neat post to see if that would generate any discussion. Which it has to some small extent. LS is new and learning. My prods at him were to get him to post more and post on things other than just his initial list. If vets want to rely on meta, more power to you, you might actually know what you're talking about (even if I can't trust those of you I've never played with before on others I haven't played with before) however LS using meta makes no sense. That said, he probably is trying to learn from the vets. I see no reason to scumlist him at this time and agree that being fine with tube and not with LS is contradictory. Spending pages and pages reiterating the same weak points irritates. Thus the dismissal of 27NB and HTS. 27NB has done little in her newest posts either, however...though she has given some reads so I will wait to see when her reading catches up to her posts. Also... On December 10 2014 07:02 kitaman27 wrote:On December 10 2014 06:54 Fecalfeast wrote:On December 10 2014 06:49 ritoky wrote:On December 10 2014 06:46 Fecalfeast wrote:
Yeah I don't really care, ritoky, sorry. yup, cuz this is town Is it scum, though? I /obsed this thread because I knew I wouldn't be happy with certain roles but was told it would be a low content game and not to worry about lurking. Well if you can't keep up with the thread, can you read and give reads on individual filters that shouldn't be more than a few pages long? Really not sure who your scum reads are at all. If you want individual names, pick some people from rsoultin, froggy, Obi, batsnacks, ritoky, LoneMeow, Tube? Hinting I'm scummy, punk? Tell me what you really think xP I grabbed a list of people that most people don't seem to have a strong read about. What I think is that you should be more concerned about other things than why you name might show up on a list
Lol, which is clearly why in a multi-para post your lovely number merited two sentences.
Do try to make relevant comments. Though you answered my question: those are not necessarily your scum reads. So thank you for that one. I see that you were the one with the comment, actually, on my posting order. Ironic.
More to the point, though I think some of your comments are laughable I'd say you're trying. Especially since one of your other posts also drew my attention: namely that LS and tubesocks should be viewed similarly if one is being read for being new and another isn't.
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On December 10 2014 10:11 27ninjabunnies wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2014 10:06 kitaman27 wrote:On December 10 2014 10:00 27ninjabunnies wrote:On December 10 2014 09:53 kitaman27 wrote:On December 10 2014 09:34 GlowingBear wrote:On December 10 2014 09:23 kitaman27 wrote:On December 10 2014 07:40 Fecalfeast wrote:
Tubesack, null/town?: I'm not sure how I feel about a brand new player having such elaborate reads and checking other threads. On the one hand it's towny that he's trying so hard but on the other, I don't know if he's a natural tryhard or is getting a lot of help from a scum QT. If I had to read him without paranoia, he is town just because I'd never take notes as scum and I love playing scum. On December 09 2014 12:43 LightningStrike wrote:
I looked GB past games and he seemed to town aligned this game and Slam isn't posting stuff like he did when he was scum in the Titanic Game. On December 09 2014 17:46 Fecalfeast wrote:
Yeah LS is scummy as heck It seems like the reasoning that leads you to believe tube is probably town isn't taken into account when evaluating LS. Why does it apply in one case, but not the other? SILENCE EVERYBODY, THIS POST IS EXTREMELY RELEVANT. HTS, bunnies, LS, Tube/anyone else in the thread currently. Do you guys feel this is noteworthy as well? Okay, So I like FF post about Tubesack. But Im not sure how being a brand new player is alignment indicative. So what if he is elaborate? Has he played elsewhere? etc. Idk. just a weird fucking read. I think you're missing the point of what I'm saying. I'm not asking if FF's post about tube is valid. I'm asking why the same exact reasoning could apply to two players, yet he draws a town read on one and a scum read on the other. I dont see how reasoning could be applied to two players. Idk I think I might be missing something here.
He scum read me and town read tube if I recalled reading the thread earlier.
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Okay, So I'm pretty muchcaught up. I have nothing really to discuss about past pages, except I'm going to look more into the Rit/FF things.
I do want to know FF reasoning on voting Rit over LS.
Also, going to go make dinner.
Ill be in and out of the thread.
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It's not particularly hard to understand? He says that tube doing meta reads as a new player makes him look towny but when LS does it he outright scum reads LS. It's double standards! Not sure if scummy though, doesn't feel like it he's saying they are doing the same things.
Read my thing about oats plox ty
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On December 10 2014 08:31 27ninjabunnies wrote:
Can you go a little bit more into Koshi, and what kind of read you've made on him since that post?
Ok, sorry I missed this part during my attempt at formatting my first response.
Koshi is null/town for me. I like that after his first big post he doesn't really push his agenda and seems to be genuinely information gathering. He'd be top third of my nice pile.
His first post was long and I'll admit I'm one of those suckers for long posts. I disagreed with his Kelsier read but I'll post more on Kels later. I completely disagreed with his HTS assessment. I don't scum Lightning but it's not because he doesn't act crazy scummy it's because I've decided he's just bad. I should try to wade through his posts to find a single non meta type read. I don't think LS has any idea who the thread thinks is town.
I'm sorry, I agree with him on you (NB). While I didn't have any idea about your experience, if you're town it seemed like your arguments were very muddled (which is what people criticize HTS for, but you seemed worse in the beginning).
I'm with him on Obi. Seems like he's not interested in playing. I hope Obi shows up with some well thought out reads.
Koshi isn't the first to say he's bored with someone/the thread (GB). I'm not following the significance of why people say they are bored? Is it to garner more dramatic posts? Saying people are not contributing being towny therefore everyone is acting scummy? I'm going to WIFOM myself to death on this claim (generally not specifically Koshi's boredom claim).
Anyway, I don't necessarily agree with a lot of stuff Koshi says but his posts seem inquisitive and like he's thinking. If I see him posting while I still am on I'll be asking him questions for sure.
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On December 10 2014 10:12 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2014 10:11 27ninjabunnies wrote:On December 10 2014 10:06 kitaman27 wrote:On December 10 2014 10:00 27ninjabunnies wrote:On December 10 2014 09:53 kitaman27 wrote:On December 10 2014 09:34 GlowingBear wrote:On December 10 2014 09:23 kitaman27 wrote:On December 10 2014 07:40 Fecalfeast wrote:
Tubesack, null/town?: I'm not sure how I feel about a brand new player having such elaborate reads and checking other threads. On the one hand it's towny that he's trying so hard but on the other, I don't know if he's a natural tryhard or is getting a lot of help from a scum QT. If I had to read him without paranoia, he is town just because I'd never take notes as scum and I love playing scum. On December 09 2014 12:43 LightningStrike wrote:
I looked GB past games and he seemed to town aligned this game and Slam isn't posting stuff like he did when he was scum in the Titanic Game. On December 09 2014 17:46 Fecalfeast wrote:
Yeah LS is scummy as heck It seems like the reasoning that leads you to believe tube is probably town isn't taken into account when evaluating LS. Why does it apply in one case, but not the other? SILENCE EVERYBODY, THIS POST IS EXTREMELY RELEVANT. HTS, bunnies, LS, Tube/anyone else in the thread currently. Do you guys feel this is noteworthy as well? Okay, So I like FF post about Tubesack. But Im not sure how being a brand new player is alignment indicative. So what if he is elaborate? Has he played elsewhere? etc. Idk. just a weird fucking read. I think you're missing the point of what I'm saying. I'm not asking if FF's post about tube is valid. I'm asking why the same exact reasoning could apply to two players, yet he draws a town read on one and a scum read on the other. I dont see how reasoning could be applied to two players. Idk I think I might be missing something here. He scum read me and town read tube if I recalled reading the thread earlier.
Yes, I caught that. But why did he scum read you?
Is what kita is saying is that he scum read yu for the reasoning he town read tube?
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On December 10 2014 10:14 Holyflare wrote:
It's not particularly hard to understand? He says that tube doing meta reads as a new player makes him look towny but when LS does it he outright scum reads LS. It's double standards! Not sure if scummy though, doesn't feel like it he's saying they are doing the same things.
Read my thing about oats plox ty
thanks
And lemme find it
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