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ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
December 11 2014 03:17 GMT
#1484
On December 11 2014 12:06 Holyflare wrote:
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On December 11 2014 11:56 ritoky wrote:
On December 11 2014 11:51 Holyflare wrote:
On December 11 2014 11:45 ritoky wrote:
On December 11 2014 11:40 Holyflare wrote:
On December 11 2014 11:13 ritoky wrote:
HF can you start getting salty so i can read you as town already? you're doing town things, but you're not angry at idiots for lynching town....why?


you're telling me I should berate people for.... listening to me!? what the shit are you even talking about


you do that a lot...lol. especially when people listen to you for bad reasons and when you got people like koshi saying they are okay with it and rsoultin saying i told you so and kels pre-emptively saying i told you so.


stop wasting my posts with insignificant bs I have like 7 left, I literally just said kelsier is very likely mafia for talking about all that crap pre-lynch and I'm not going to berate other people who have the same reads as me because that means they are likely town. I'm confused why you even have this read when you literally just expressed how I "fooled" you last game which means this salty read is clearly not a proper read at all if I can emulate it as both alignments, not to mention you said I've been doing towny things and somehow that's pushed under the rug

I also said I was extremely sick and wouldn't be here post-deadline but here I am.


you are mafia


OMGUS, not angry, content on a stagnant read lynch, 0 development on bunnies read even after she posted, pushing other people but not moving your vote...thank you for making up my mind for me. you're feigning townie things, you're mafia.


i don't see how anyone in their right mind who was reading this game could think any of those things about me, I posted about 700 times on bunnies after she returned with new info every time and you're telling me that finding other mafia while I sit on someone I think is mafia makes ME mafia

roflroflroflroflroflroflrofl


ORLY?

Here is HF's initial read on bunnies:

On December 09 2014 08:37 Holyflare wrote:
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On December 09 2014 08:32 27ninjabunnies wrote:
@ Slam
@ Damdred

Didn't HF basically do just the same thing? Except more of he came into the thread with "Omgerd we have cap posts. Im town, follow me later" and then leaves.

And yet, Damdred, you have him as town for basically a shit post?

While I agree, people talking about policy lynching and lurkers seem off, he seems just an easy target for people to scum read because of that.


I'm still here and haven't made an excuse about leaving? I'm not sure I understand what you're saying in bold at all though. It's one thing to talk about policy but this is showing that first and foremost you did not read his post because:

A) he wrote about not policy lynching lirkers because it's bad

And

B) he wrote about agreeing to policy lynch lurkers

And secondly you are defending a person that "is an easy target to be scum read" when that person has done genuinely scummy things and you are brushing it off


##vote 27ninjabunnies

Enjoy your date


It is his 3rd post of the thread, from there he talks about her 2 or 3 more times while she is here. She disappears from the thread for a long time. When she comes back here are his posts:

On December 10 2014 03:08 Holyflare wrote:
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On December 10 2014 03:06 Damdred wrote:
Seriously we should lynch GB who's whole d1 policy is to lynch lurkers not ignore them completely and fo after active people this is what he did in the one hour titanic mafia as scum


He attacked marv last game

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On December 10 2014 02:50 Damdred wrote:
Actually on another read through even though i'm slightly suspicious of Xata i'd probably never lynch him today Ritoky is a strange struggle read for me right now i'm not sure if hes town this time


Please look into why he was angry at someone using meta reads because it looked pretty strange to me and I don't want to spend my remaining like 20 or less posts on it with 24 hours+ left

Bunnies re entry not that great cz she says she town read people for other posts and not the attack on froggy but that just means her original statement of people jumping on froggy is invalid because it's most of her town reads


On December 11 2014 03:19 Holyflare wrote:
why the fuck did everyone dismiss my oats point btw? "I dunno how to read oats he just bad" is not a good reason at all and none of the vets even bothered to look at it and instead started pushing other nonsense.

go read it here: click me!

also now that bunnies actually said her claim wasn't a claim that's just really fucking disingenuous and scummy, her kelsier points weren't very good at all and i don't like that people took her "iffy" and "people to look at" claims as backwards because iffy means you have suspicion and to look at means null but somehow you all believe it's the other way around

there's also what kita said which was very good, she's only stuck at her "people" to look at really as scum reads the entirety of the cycle and hasn't paticularly changed, even on me lol -.- BASED ON MY FIRST POST???? Not to mention her hard on for kelsier that hasn't disappeared ever an on a "reread" of the thread had absolutely no new information whatsoever and still was going on about her list post and her reads only from that list post

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I dislike HF at the moment more than froggy for his entrance post. Tbh, I understand there is a cap to posts (which I am probably rapidly approacing), but you shouldn't come into the game with the mindset that you aren't going to post much because of the cap. However, I did post a post just recently saying why I like HF now, for his view on Kelsier.


literally says that i'm disliked MORE than someone with 4 posts based on my entrance post but also liked now too? kind of a waste and pretty disingenuous to still be reading me based on my first post in an entirety of filter, not to mention there's a shit town of wasted filler posts in between each of her posts like "oh does anyone else read sickluckers name differently"

people should be still on her



anyway i realised i actually have quite a few posts for up to deadline so that's cool and i'm super ill so will probably rest after it


only the bolded part is yours here, and then:

On December 11 2014 06:13 Holyflare wrote:
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On December 11 2014 06:10 sicklucker wrote:
Like if it wAsint for that carol singer post I might be scared here. Like who randomly posts a video of themself carol singing it was a claim. Shes mafia back tracking.


not sure I agree with this first part but the back tracking part yeh

she's said "i might have to claim here" etc etc which eluded to having a role, posted the carol singers thing and then backtracked (still can't get over that -.-) etc etc and now it turns out she's just a disgruntled?


naaaaaaaaaaaaah bruv



That's it, the rest of your posts after her return are about pushing on other people.

you literally didn't develop this read at all after her return, you basically said "your kelsier read is crap" but now you agree with it to some extent apparently, and you didn't believe her claim/turned off by threatening a claim. that's the only development on your read since 2 hrs into the game in a 48 hour phase. that is not a HF read AT ALL. it is stagnant, it is crap, and it lynched town. you are mafia.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
December 11 2014 03:41 GMT
#1489
On December 11 2014 12:33 Holyflare wrote:
you're literally saying right here in the thread that the fact that I updated my read with my own tidbits + what other people had said makes me mafia? ahahahaha how many posts do you think bunnies made in that time frame? 1000? how many posts do I have to spend in a post limited game explaining things that other people are saying + adding my own things on? also the stuff that I said kita mentioned I fleshed out more in that post so it was actually my original thoughts and not just the bolded which you seem to imply it is

also, her points on kelsier were crap, the fact that I'm starting to scum read him now is totally irrelevant to her case being crap at all because it purely involves her flipping town and the stuff he said previous to her flipping

I find it hard to believe you could believe anything you are typing at all.


she made 3 pages worth of posts, actually, so yes she made quite a few. I believe that's over 40 posts to respond to, so your exaggerating and laughing, but actually you're just lying and implying she didn't post a lot or a lot of substance. if she is your top scum read, 3 posts to push and develop your read seems shallow at best; especially with your standards. hell you devoted the same or more posts in the same time frame to reading vivax, kels, and xat; who you didn't push on at all. and i disagree that any of what you said regarding kita's stuff is original, it is all sheep.

further as town you are one of the largest proponents of using your vote as a means of pressuring people into giving information, and you felt perfectly fine leaving it on a town. like you're just plain mafia.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
December 11 2014 04:17 GMT
#1492
On December 11 2014 13:08 Holyflare wrote:
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On December 11 2014 12:41 ritoky wrote:
On December 11 2014 12:33 Holyflare wrote:
you're literally saying right here in the thread that the fact that I updated my read with my own tidbits + what other people had said makes me mafia? ahahahaha how many posts do you think bunnies made in that time frame? 1000? how many posts do I have to spend in a post limited game explaining things that other people are saying + adding my own things on? also the stuff that I said kita mentioned I fleshed out more in that post so it was actually my original thoughts and not just the bolded which you seem to imply it is

also, her points on kelsier were crap, the fact that I'm starting to scum read him now is totally irrelevant to her case being crap at all because it purely involves her flipping town and the stuff he said previous to her flipping

I find it hard to believe you could believe anything you are typing at all.


she made 3 pages worth of posts, actually, so yes she made quite a few. I believe that's over 40 posts to respond to, so your exaggerating and laughing, but actually you're just lying and implying she didn't post a lot or a lot of substance. if she is your top scum read, 3 posts to push and develop your read seems shallow at best; especially with your standards. hell you devoted the same or more posts in the same time frame to reading vivax, kels, and xat; who you didn't push on at all. and i disagree that any of what you said regarding kita's stuff is original, it is all sheep.

further as town you are one of the largest proponents of using your vote as a means of pressuring people into giving information, and you felt perfectly fine leaving it on a town. like you're just plain mafia.


So you're saying that even though I spent 2-3 pages of filter PREVIOUSLY talking about bunnies all game the fact that I only spent a few long posts on her LATER when she had only posted like a page or less since I left with a lot of fluff in it makes me mafia? Why are you using the the latter half of the game to justify a read on me that should span the whole game? Have you even bothered to check the timestamps of when I've been around, I was sick all day and literally posted as much as I could on as many people I could in the time frame that I've been here (without trying to devolve into spammyness)

I can't believe you'd ever make this read as town. Ever. It literally shows no progression of thought process at all and is a rough job of a case that is based on falsities twisted to fit your narrative. There is no way on this planet that a town ritoky would make this case. Just like the case you made on LS using exclusively meta reads. None of these things you are saying make anyone scum yet you're pushing them so vehemently that it's making YOU look scummy instead.


I mean I think I am at the point of confirmation bias on HF now, he is mafia. Making excuses is something HF doesn't do, he is making multiple excuses here. He wasn't using his vote as a weapon at all last phase, which is the same thing he did after day 1 of hearthstone mafia. And yes, if you have a top scum read that is so firm as you won't flinch from it from 2 hrs into the phase until the end, I expect you to devote a crap load more than you did to pushing and developing it, you didn't.

As for your criticism of my LS read, you forgot the part where I backed off and started defending him.

I would make this read as town, because I am town. Something I don't think you can say.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
December 11 2014 20:47 GMT
#1564
to whomever gave me this present, gonna open it. yolo, wish me luck.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
December 11 2014 23:12 GMT
#1595
On December 12 2014 08:09 GlowingBear wrote:
I'm gonna read this thread now. And I'm going to hammer mafai.

Btw, lynch ritoky. I gave him the present. But he claimed that he got the present at night, not caring for being roleblocked. Like, lol.


????? I got it at the change of phase, and claimed when I decided I was gonna open it????

what are you smoking? you should know that presents change hands at the end of day phase, it is both in the rules and i confirmed it with the mod lol.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
December 11 2014 23:20 GMT
#1603
On December 12 2014 08:17 GlowingBear wrote:
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On December 12 2014 08:12 ritoky wrote:
On December 12 2014 08:09 GlowingBear wrote:
I'm gonna read this thread now. And I'm going to hammer mafai.

Btw, lynch ritoky. I gave him the present. But he claimed that he got the present at night, not caring for being roleblocked. Like, lol.


????? I got it at the change of phase, and claimed when I decided I was gonna open it????

what are you smoking? you should know that presents change hands at the end of day phase, it is both in the rules and i confirmed it with the mod lol.


The ability you earn can be roleblocked. I just thought you could use it night one instead of using it night 2.

It doesn't matter anyway, you just revealed to mafia that you have a role now, which makes no sense for a townie.


and opening something unknown that has a 1 in 3 chance to kill you (esp when you have a crap ton of kp) doesn't make much sense as mafia. i can wifom too broski

“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
December 11 2014 23:30 GMT
#1613
On December 12 2014 08:22 GlowingBear wrote:
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On December 12 2014 08:20 ritoky wrote:
On December 12 2014 08:17 GlowingBear wrote:
On December 12 2014 08:12 ritoky wrote:
On December 12 2014 08:09 GlowingBear wrote:
I'm gonna read this thread now. And I'm going to hammer mafai.

Btw, lynch ritoky. I gave him the present. But he claimed that he got the present at night, not caring for being roleblocked. Like, lol.


????? I got it at the change of phase, and claimed when I decided I was gonna open it????

what are you smoking? you should know that presents change hands at the end of day phase, it is both in the rules and i confirmed it with the mod lol.


The ability you earn can be roleblocked. I just thought you could use it night one instead of using it night 2.

It doesn't matter anyway, you just revealed to mafia that you have a role now, which makes no sense for a townie.


and opening something unknown that has a 1 in 3 chance to kill you (esp when you have a crap ton of kp) doesn't make much sense as mafia. i can wifom too broski



It's not WIFOM, rit. It's just looking through perspectives.
I can't understand the psychology of a townie who decides to claim he is going to open the present he received. You don't die night one, then BAM! You obviously got a skill and will be killed/roleblocked night2 if you're town.

I can never see town doing that.


first, there's no guarantee that there is even a RB in the game (you seem to have not read the rules for a 2nd time). second, in the event i die it can clarify why for town. third, if there is an rb and i eat it, it means there was no rb on potential cop/vigi/doc...which is good.

don't see how it is a bad thing to claim it. plus now you know that if you are holding a present, there's a 1 in 2 chance it will kill you if you open it. idk, it does so much net positive imo.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
December 11 2014 23:41 GMT
#1623
On December 12 2014 08:40 Holyflare wrote:
I'm incredibly disappointed with the vigi if we do because he shot absolutely nobody that was a good shot. Not one of ff, ritoky etc died even though like 4 vets called them mafia -.-

Not sure what i think of the present opening tbh. It would have been great to give them to all the scummy people and forced them to open them/use them to our will :/

2 biggest proponents of a ff lynch also died which is cool, especially as lm was in the shadows while doing it so didn't look like a high priority kill


???? forget about me?
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
December 12 2014 00:02 GMT
#1632
On December 12 2014 08:44 Vivax wrote:
Ritoky what about your present.

Also I'd like you to answer to kita's points post-his-death. I'll try to carry on what the dead guys couldn't.


On December 12 2014 07:59 kitaman27 wrote:
ritoky
  • I feel like ritoky is picking on things that could be constructed as being scummy, but don't necessarily make a player mafia.
  • His first attack on LS is a relatively long post about him having two town reads that happen to be voting for each other. That kind of stuff happens, I don't see why it makes him scummy. He calls out the sicklucker as being a lie, but I think that comes down to semantics more than something he is maliciously doing. Attacking LS for the meta reads is okay, but doesn't seem as convincing to me as is did to him. He then drops his scum read on LS after he gives a town read on ritoky. I don't see why that should change his mind, it seems more like an excuse to move over to fecal.
  • His initial case on fecal seems to come down to fecal agreeing with ritoky on a subject matter and then giving a Null read on ritoky. This doesn't matter all that much in my view. He exaggerates the defense in passing made by fecal as giving a free pass for the day.
  • With bunnies really dominating discussion on day one, he mostly ignores her. I know he claims to struggle reading her, but there were enough things he could still comment about.
  • I know that listing both Fecal and ritoky as scum reads is a bit strange considering their interactions with each other. I haven't decided if one being scum makes the other town or if there is potentially some scum to scum interactions going on here.



1) I attacked LS because he made pure meta reads and they were crap. This post lacks the context of that being in the very first hours of the game. On day 1 I am a pretty hard tunneler on people who do things I think are strange or make excessively bad reads. I felt his reads were dumpster level at the time so I went on them. He came back and started answering people's questions in a town way. Someone asked me how it was town and I told them the same thing I will tell you, he responded directly and only giving what he was asked. That is very townie to me, especially for a new player. Normally mafia try to change the topic or they add too many qualifiers or they give way more than was asked. He didn't, so I started reading him town.

2) First I need to clean this up, since the start of the game up until the night phase I had only called two people mafia: LS and ff. Yet the moment I get a town read, come out of the tunnel on LS and switch to ff; people call me bloodthirsty. I am just moving to my next scum read and pressuring. Kita says that my initial read doesn't matter to him, well I would say that he doesn't do a good job of finding scum on D1 then. I think that when someone believes a read enough to sheep it word for word the very lowest level of trust they should have in that person is leaning town. He had a null read on me after basically quoting my read 5 posts earlier, and then tried to dumb tell it away by saying he didn't read my post. Not town at all.

3) I admittedly have a shit read on bunnies, and I would agree with him that I was mostly outside of that conversation. I did however say: "There's a nearly 0 amount of people defending bunnies, so she is probably town" about 12 hrs into the day. And I did clarify that the stuff that....I don't remember who, can go look...was pushing about her vote on me and it having no real reason was a crap part of the case since it was primarily predicated on our friendship/relationship in mafia.

4) I still want to lynch ff.

What about my present? Do you want me to claim which one I opened? If so, why?
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
December 12 2014 01:13 GMT
#1676
On December 12 2014 10:12 sicklucker wrote:
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On December 12 2014 10:07 Holyflare wrote:
On December 12 2014 10:04 sicklucker wrote:
I just dont see any scenario where ritoky didnt use his present last night (esp after he claimed he had one for no reason) Its very suspicious to me im looking for scum.


If he used the present he can't use the power till the next night...


Then why claim? This is why im pressuring. Im not looking for the third present whos smart enough to keep that a secret which is what ritoky should have done. Im asking why the suspicious guy claimed for no reason.


and ignoring the part where i already answered that question
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
December 12 2014 01:18 GMT
#1680
On December 12 2014 10:14 sicklucker wrote:
Like these presents are super valuable now that the death present is probably gone with dandred. Their basically are best roles left besides santa. And He just comes out and says it? Hes either being a huge donkey or hes mafia.


like now you just got your chronology messed up, i claimed i was gonna open it both before damdred died and before you claimed giving him a present...how the hell was i supposed to know that?
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
December 12 2014 01:37 GMT
#1697
On December 12 2014 10:36 Half the Sky wrote:
GB, you misunderstood. Ritoky used HF's play in Hearthstone Mafia as a valid comparison for scumlisting HF. The point was on HF's gameplay, not Ritoky's.

I am not using meta to scumread Ritoky. I am reading Ritoky's filter and seeing holes in his argument against HF.


have you played with HF before when he is scum?

i was masoned with him when he was scum in HS mafia, i got to see how he works behind the scenes a bit, this is HF mafia.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
December 12 2014 01:42 GMT
#1700
dunno what i think of GB now...probably down to null from leaning town. the basis of him pushing scum on me is from a lot of factually incorrect places especially in regards to setup info.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
December 12 2014 02:01 GMT
#1721
On December 12 2014 10:43 Holyflare wrote:
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On December 12 2014 10:37 ritoky wrote:
On December 12 2014 10:36 Half the Sky wrote:
GB, you misunderstood. Ritoky used HF's play in Hearthstone Mafia as a valid comparison for scumlisting HF. The point was on HF's gameplay, not Ritoky's.

I am not using meta to scumread Ritoky. I am reading Ritoky's filter and seeing holes in his argument against HF.


have you played with HF before when he is scum?

i was masoned with him when he was scum in HS mafia, i got to see how he works behind the scenes a bit, this is HF mafia.


Here's an exercise you MUST do to show that you're actually not full of shit.

Prove to me/everyone that what I've done "behind the scenes" is anything like I've done in this actual game. There's a whole mason chat for you to quote. PROVE that this game is exactly like hearthstone mafia and I'm such an easy read. SHOW comparisons or just continue to dwindle into obscurity and get lynched.

All you've done so far is post contradictions about my scum meta being calm yet saying how I fooled you in hearthstone even though you had the same meta read there.


You have 34 pages of filter plus 50 posts in that game so it will take quite some time, but I can start you off with an example:

From the mason QT: For this example - LT is mafia with HF, Obi is town
ritoky - LT zoomin up my list
HF - Yyuuuuup such generic responses. Also obi alludes to nothing he wrote at all and even when he was around didn't say shit about why damd wasn't a good lynch
HF - Obi is so so scummy and I'm super ridiculously tunnelled on him. I hate using this phrase but is he too scummy to be scum???? Literally has 0 scum reads that aren't bs
ritoky - yeah he is just typing out his ass...idk if it is to piss you off at this point or just cuz he is typing out of his ass.
i think LT is worse than him tho. at least this stupid shit was obi's idea. LT is actively buying this stupid shit for NO REASON.
like his reason was bullshit and a half.
ritoky - went ham on LT, going to bed. hopefully it gets shit going in a good direction.
HF - I'll probably sheep the lt thing just wanna pressure obi a lot

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On November 02 2014 15:25 Holyflare wrote:
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On November 02 2014 15:11 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
On November 02 2014 15:08 Holyflare wrote:
This won't stop until you actually explain stuff btw. You haven't elaborated on any of your points whatsoever.


I don't see what I haven't elaborated on. I've stated that I find the fact you're pushing really useless and you keep pressuring me in order to make me think it's not useless.


No I'm pushing something multiple people agreed with and wondering why you were the only person to not agree with it and every response you leave just leaves more holes and question marks.

Like there's quite literally no reason to say damd is a bad lynch unless you have a reason to not lynch him and his posts were town motivated. As it stands you have given NO town motivation to lie about reads and there is only scum motivation so you calling it bad is totally unjustified, scummy because it looks like tmi and worse now that you have "explained".

We don't have to talk about it more because it's quite evident that you're mafia. Feel free to bring up a new useful subject to talk about though instead of complaining how boring this is and asking me to drop talking about it.


On November 02 2014 15:49 Holyflare wrote:
Just go away then your defence was a waste and you criticise bh for having no elaboration when your only semi read on bh contains no read of his filter and isn't properly elaborated because of that. So you pretty much have no real scum read



On November 02 2014 16:06 Holyflare wrote:
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On November 02 2014 15:56 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
On November 02 2014 15:53 Holyflare wrote:
I can't see how you're complaining that people can't read you when you've done absolutely nothing but defend someone who looked extremely like scum and you have no real scum reads.


He didn't look like scum. What part of this are you not getting?

Stop saying that I'm not doing anything. I'm doing stuff right now and you're just blowing me off. It's infuriating.


If damd hadn't have extended this day you would have gone into n1 with a defence of someone out of the blue that looked scummy (your reasons for the defence make no sense and you even retroactively defended him by saying he posted his reads that's why he wasn't scummy even though we're talking about before he posted them) and having a scum read on bh which is factually incorrect and is contained in like 3 lines of 1 post. Oh also town reads on me and oats for really silly reasons.

You think that's enough? 0 scum reads (you didn't even read bh's filter) and 2 mediocre town reads based on 1 post a few hours into the game??? Really?


On November 02 2014 16:07 Holyflare wrote:
But no super town hero obi berates us all for "misreading" him based on that


My point here is that in the thread HF is sitting there going ham on his top scum read which is Obi; trying to drive home a lynch. Yet his vote doesn't move. It sits with me and my read on LT. In the thread he is pushing his scum read, but his vote doesn't move from an early read he made and a read he is deferring to me on. Town HF doesn't do this, town HF uses his vote as a weapon, and tries to use his vote as a mechanism for pushing his top scum read, not leaving it to stagnate on an early phase read like he did here with 27NB. In the thread he is kicking and screaming about scum read x and y, yet his vote sits static on an early read or a deferred read. If you want me to find an example of town HF throwing a giant fit to get hit way in a vote and using his vote as a weapon, I am sure that will be plenty easy to locate.

He does this again 2 more times later in the game (it will take me a while to find it though because his filter in that game is friggin enormous) if you want me to keep going. Where he is yelling about how someone is scum only to have his vote sit on someone else pretty much the entirety of the phase. Did the same thing this game, pushing other people in the thread while his vote is static on an early or deferred read.
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ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
December 12 2014 02:03 GMT
#1723
aaaaaannnnd sicklucker and rsoultin still ignoring the post where i already explained it
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ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
December 12 2014 02:05 GMT
#1724
On December 12 2014 10:57 Half the Sky wrote:
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On December 12 2014 10:50 Holyflare wrote:
He talked about me not pushing bunnies adequately (haha) not xata.


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On December 11 2014 12:41 ritoky wrote:
she made 3 pages worth of posts, actually, so yes she made quite a few. I believe that's over 40 posts to respond to, so your exaggerating and laughing, but actually you're just lying and implying she didn't post a lot or a lot of substance. if she is your top scum read, 3 posts to push and develop your read seems shallow at best; especially with your standards. hell you devoted the same or more posts in the same time frame to reading vivax, kels, and xat; who you didn't push on at all. and i disagree that any of what you said regarding kita's stuff is original, it is all sheep.


That is the quote I was referring to, unless you understood him differently.


in regards to vivax, kels, and xat; i meant he is pushing on them in the thread, but following it up with 0 vote pressure in terms of actually trying to lynch them. read my more recent post to understand a little bit more.
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ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
December 12 2014 02:08 GMT
#1729
On December 12 2014 11:06 sicklucker wrote:
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On December 12 2014 11:03 ritoky wrote:
aaaaaannnnd sicklucker and rsoultin still ignoring the post where i already explained it


No I said your excuse was really bad and I told you the death present has already been used so its even worse.


how do you know the death present was used? are you saying you know FOR CERTAIN he wasn't shot?
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ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
December 12 2014 02:10 GMT
#1732
On December 12 2014 11:09 Holyflare wrote:
I can also quote a few games where I've done the same thing as town ritoky. That's a greatly disingenuous read. The first titanic paint is an example where i just leave my vote on dp the entire game. That's just off the top of my head. You also said "hf is calm as mafia" but are only just now explaining how i went "ham on my scum read obi". Yet here you're trying to paint me as classic scum hf because I DIDN'T go ham on my scum read?? Its also a bit weird to even mention post count number when I'm restricted to a maximum of 4 pages so can't even afford to play around and tunnel.


in hearthstone i asked you directly why you weren't angry, and then you got angry 3 posts after it.
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ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
December 12 2014 02:13 GMT
#1735
On December 12 2014 11:10 ritoky wrote:
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On December 12 2014 11:09 Holyflare wrote:
I can also quote a few games where I've done the same thing as town ritoky. That's a greatly disingenuous read. The first titanic paint is an example where i just leave my vote on dp the entire game. That's just off the top of my head. You also said "hf is calm as mafia" but are only just now explaining how i went "ham on my scum read obi". Yet here you're trying to paint me as classic scum hf because I DIDN'T go ham on my scum read?? Its also a bit weird to even mention post count number when I'm restricted to a maximum of 4 pages so can't even afford to play around and tunnel.


in hearthstone i asked you directly why you weren't angry, and then you got angry 3 posts after it.


actually maybe i got my games messed up on this one....ughhhhh
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ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
December 12 2014 02:19 GMT
#1740
On December 12 2014 11:14 Holyflare wrote:
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On December 12 2014 11:10 ritoky wrote:
On December 12 2014 11:09 Holyflare wrote:
I can also quote a few games where I've done the same thing as town ritoky. That's a greatly disingenuous read. The first titanic paint is an example where i just leave my vote on dp the entire game. That's just off the top of my head. You also said "hf is calm as mafia" but are only just now explaining how i went "ham on my scum read obi". Yet here you're trying to paint me as classic scum hf because I DIDN'T go ham on my scum read?? Its also a bit weird to even mention post count number when I'm restricted to a maximum of 4 pages so can't even afford to play around and tunnel.


in hearthstone i asked you directly why you weren't angry, and then you got angry 3 posts after it.


My emotional state in a game isn't related to my alignment at all. You also criticised me of not being salty and pushing people for bad votes right after i was criticising people for bad votes so your whole point is baseless.

I have literally no idea how you can even have this read at all. These games are not alike in the slightest. Like just LAST game i was scum read for not giving a shit about the lynch/not pushing who i thought was scum at deadline. Guess who pushed that? Mafia geript. Guess what I was? Town



Gg get rekt

##vote ritoky


1) it is
2) i just demonstrated how you're doing the exact same thing and you said 0 about it cuz it is true.
3) last game you died night 1 after fighting tooth and nail all phase to get hopeless lynched

Gg get rekt
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