EPTTL Mafia LXIX: Carol Of The Bells - Page 4
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On December 10 2014 04:30 Damdred wrote: I'm not sure that he is town but he has enough of a direction and questioning peoples motives posts and tries to push the thread i wouldn't really be interested in lynching him today unless someone put a really good case together I remember how he entered the thread though and it left a bad impression on me On December 09 2014 11:38 Oatsmaster wrote: I was not ready for the sheer volume of posts On December 09 2014 18:32 Oatsmaster wrote: lol what in the world kush On December 09 2014 19:04 Oatsmaster wrote: btw vivax is scum specifically the last pst which is kind of out of the blue after shit posting. Since then I haven't found anything that towny, he argued with hf about nb saying that nb didn't do anything remotely scummy. I mean if you look at the nb post, it is almost objectively scummy. The vivax discussion is actually ok and I think that angle is kind of towny but his initial entry just felt bad. I wouldn't be happy with him in my town circle at this point. | ||
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I'm curious that you call my play "one liners " considering all my reads have been well explained. Is there a read i didn't explain enough for you. you said something like "he needs to learn how to read me" that is really scummy, how have you projected town, what have you done that allows him to read you perfectly. . It strikes me as fake indignation that anyone can find you scum | ||
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On December 10 2014 08:55 27ninjabunnies wrote: No I'm gonna try and convince yall I'm town, but it seems as if no one is listening to me anyway, so I might just have to claim. What did you think about my read on Vivax? More specifically, what is your read? Also, you mentioned earlier in the game about a read on Slam. You found it stupid there were people calling him town. What is your read on him as of this page? i think your viv read is bad, i dont understand what you are saying, he is town because of -link to post, why is that post towny, viv isn't in my town circle i dont read slam d1 | ||
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my scrooge play was to get a specific read on ff i explained that before. Outside of that i have given lots of good town reads, all of which are developed reads not one liners, weird misrepresentation of my play again. If you need more explanation , ask. fyi a guy talking to a girl isn't flirting, grow up. | ||
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On December 10 2014 09:21 27ninjabunnies wrote: Awww, but babe. I thought we were having fun. only scum have fun apparently. | ||
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I'm going to finish off my town circle tomorrow morning and then lynch into whoever is left. I'm going to add templar to my town circle, initially he was nl for his story, but his posts did have reads and i really like his reentry post, i agree with all his reads, he doesn't like gb, doesn't like ls, on my phone can't remember 3rd read...maybe it was nb. Ah i knew i liked it though. its interesting 2 people , one after the other, say my play is one liners or fluffy but ive actually made plays and given substantial reads rather than just spam inane bs in spoiler tags. | ||
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Firstly people who are scum reading me for my scrooge comment , specifically viven and rasputin, you don't realise I never actually noticed a hole in the set up but then retracted it is just a reaction test. viv then goes on to say that I didn't follow up on ff, This is completely false On December 09 2014 17:41 KelsierSC wrote: I agree you aren't projecting towniness, so you ask him specifically about his town pass on slam and GB, then you agree with me that a lot of his town list makes no sense. Which to me is like a beacon going wtf is this. But you don't care about who he calls scum/null? He has SL as scummy right i'm interested to know what you make of that. He also has ritoky and nb as nul because he needs more info but has other very easy town reads. On December 10 2014 04:02 KelsierSC wrote: Also FF what did you make of the HTS, NB , froggy interactions? I pointed out flaws in his logic and have asked follow up questions which he hasn't answered yet. I have called ff one of my scum so saying I don't provide info or follow up is false. The final point of me being scum is that I am curious about people who town read slam, but don't provide the information. Well I noticed nb called him town quite early and that again made me sit up, but then dam did it aswell and I think rasputin did it and I have both of them town so perhbaps the heuristic isn't that useful, again I didn't make a post saying "actually guys I didn't get information off of people calling slam town" I just gave my town reads. Again people say I have fluffy , one liner reads are completely misrepresenting my play. I have explained all my reads if you are unsure you can ask me about it in more detail, no one has actually asked me to do that apart from getting me to explain my bs read, they just falsely accuse me. Anyway having put to bed all those arguments I am going to add a few people to my town circle and then start deciding who I want to lynch. I'm going to add Lonemeow to the town circle for d1, I like his analysis of the d1 wagon on NB, he looked at the people voting and how they voted and it made him uncomfortable with the lynch, the post felt town. He also reads ff as pretty scummy and I like that read a lot. So my town circle contains. hf,bats,dam,templar,xat,kit,koshi,lonemeow,rasp, It is possible that X in my circle finds Y scummy but Z in my circle finds Y town. Yeh town can have different opinions. But these people have projected town to me and I am happy going forward. My main scum reads are FF, NB, hts, LS and Kush questions, comments go ahead. | ||
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On December 10 2014 19:34 LoneMeow wrote: How familiar are you with kushm4sta's playstyle? Do you think he's actually scum or is that just policy? How strong is that LightningStrike read? I had a pretty strong scum read on him earlier but the fact that he's been trying to react to questions and discuss makes me think I may have been wrong. I find him quite hard to read, there's a lot that would be scummy alone but when considered in the big picture it just seems a bit weak. honestly I am not that familiar with Kush, but this play feels almost exactly like the last game I played with him when he was scum. I suppose it is semi-policy. I think because the only game I played with him he was scum so I see scum everywhere. He isn't my town circle, I don't like him at all, but there are better targets. The LS read is pretty strong. Firstly I really don't like his initial list post that had slam and OWS as town. I just don't see how you can make those reads. again maybe the slam heuristic isn't so good but too many town reads that make no sense. he then has SickLucker as scummy even though SL basically confirmed himself as town with the presengate. then his null reads include NB and HTS, both of whom had done pretty scummy things. I just hate the list. He then clamed that his town read on FF was based on FF shenanigans, I see absolutely no evidence of this at all. Pretty happy to lynch him. | ||
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So the first read I had of NB was that she didn't contradict herself and then hf explained how and afterwards I was like yeh you're right and I read hf as town for that. So then NB comes back to the thread and pings me out for having soft reads or something, again like I just don't agree but I suppose if you have a different playstyle then yeh you can see that as scummy I guess. She then gives her read on viv which is really not explained that well at all, she linked to a post and apparently he made "substantial" posts. She also made the post "you need to learn how to read me, you are stupid" to somebody. Which I really didn't like because it is just mafia faking indignation. How can she possibly think she projected town. So yeh I would happily vote that, if it wasn't for tubesock voting her which is really giving me pause but I will talk about that later. So then viv shows up and he just kind of bw onto nb by calling me scum but he can't just sheep the read right, he has to make up some reasons, so apparently my scrooge thing was scummy because i am trying to get scrooge to claim and not making a play. So many things wrong with that, it was a specific play and the the retraction was immediate, No one in their right mind would actually claim there. I then called ff scum as a result and followed up, again viv says I didn't. he also calls me scum because I don't like people giving slam an immediate town read. Again the case is really fucking weak and it just looks like he has is trying to find a reason to call me scum rather than actually do it. His case on Xat is weak, it is because he town reads me. I think I have played pretty town and because Xat actually analysed my play and read the thread he is scum. yeh I just think these are bad reads so viv could be scum. So then after this we get a few people who bw onto the vote, OWS, who just posts shit anyway , FF who I think is scummy, then rsoult...who might just be misguided. So then tubesock, also votes on xat despite not understanding the wagon, but then unvotes again to go back on nb, even though nb pushes on me who he thinks is bad for town. His main reason I am bad for town...because I talked to a woman and because apparently my reads aren't substantial. so this is a sheep of the nb reason (a terrible reason) , so you just sheep the read of your top mafia, So then I have to evaluate what I think of tubesock because his play is so non sensical. So then I think well maybe NB could be town and tube/viv are the mafia. Like I look at the votes on nb and a lot of my town aare voting there, but then HTS and tube vote... I think my scum lynch would be LS, FF, viv and tube..pretty ok with that | ||
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On December 10 2014 23:14 Oatsmaster wrote: can you edit this down to like 4 lines? Cause it seems like a whole lotta fluff shit and thats bad. there is no fluff it is the explanation for my reads. but in 4 lines NB has done scummy things, her case on me is bad and her town read on viv isn't explained at all. a lot of my town vote on her but then a few people I don't like also vote on her. viv has made a very weak case on me that looks like he just wants to call me scum but can't find good reasons. I didn't like his case on Xat and the people who bw that vote make me like the case even less. Tube's play is completely non-sensical and he sheeps the read of his top scum. maybe he is mafia and nb is town. I think my scum lynch would be LS, FF, viv and tube..pretty ok with that | ||
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On December 10 2014 23:33 kitaman27 wrote: I'm confused what you are saying here. Are you saying that you had a plan to abuse the setup and then realized it wouldn't work or Are you saying that you asked for the claim to see how people would react and then later changed your mind and dropped it No I planned, to say "i have spotted a set up glitch" then "i retract" because that is exactly what kush did in a previous game and the way ff reacted helped me read him as town that game. It was a specific play to read ff. | ||
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On December 10 2014 23:36 Half the Sky wrote: Kelsier: I am not understanding the bolded part here. Am I understanding you correctly? You are saying Vivax's case on Xatalos is weak because Xatalos (or Vivax) townread you? Anyone townreading you is irrelevant to the crux of Vivax's argument which is the development of the read on Xatalos. That's a sequence of Xatalos's analysis on 27NB, and it had nothing to do with you. I re-read the case and you aren't mentioned anywhere. Xatalos: The case against Liancourt comes down to him posting nonsensical stuff, and not really contributing. Some have said this is his meta, but most of us are finding it annoying. Froggy: It is my second time here. I also found this game overwhelming but you have to find a way to manage it. Break the work up in smaller batches, from what I gather, one massive post doesn't do well for most here, you have to break it up and get content out in batches. It's more manageable I think. On December 10 2014 12:00 Vivax wrote: This looks so fake given that I have the exactly opposite feeling to the bolded. First, it's completely pointless to discuss that plan, and saying it was a reaction test is completely pulled out of Xata's bum cause it wasn't, hence, it's most likely some invented reason to justify a town read on Kelsier. Kelsier said he misread something, and THEN used it to form a read on FF, which Second: he afterwards didn't push (instead he discusses a multitude of other things and here and there he asks FF a question of which I don't see the results). Just cause of this Xata belongs into my naughty list. | ||
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The way I read it is that xat was unsure of calling nb scum because of how many people voted on it, but nb being scummy out weighed that factor. Maybe lots of town were just right. I don't read that as scummy. | ||
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On December 11 2014 00:30 Koshi wrote: So yeah. Please spend time talking about 27nb. Look at her filter. Look at what she says make sense. Convince me she is town. Even if you don't believe it yourself. Can somebody make a towncase on her? Some of the people voting on her are a bit suspect in my eyes. Like tubesocks ,weird voting pattern, and HTS | ||
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On December 11 2014 01:08 Vivax wrote: @Xata How is it risky? Did anyone call him scum just for that? No. So it's clearly not risky. If t was risky and you think it deserves a scumread, how do you explain that you townread him? Well, cause WIFOM, he did something you think is scummy and scum wouldn't do that so he's town. That's literally the reasoning you are using, and it's bad. It's just the same type of reasoning as saying "scum is wagoning on a town bunnies" and later say "scum is bussing bunnies or not caring about saving her" depending on how you read her at a particular moment. It's obvious bad reasoning that you add to find some more arguments for your change of opinion, in lack of better arguments. The chain of posts doesn't suggest at all he was chasing a masterplan there, it only suggests he found out that he was wrong on something and then looked at people without initially having intention to do so. Else he wouldn't have had a reason to claim out loud that he was wrong about something (so he would have had FF go look at the setup and correct him, that would have been a "trap play"). wrong again. I already explained it and you just choose to ignore it again. It was a specific play I planned. Kush claimed a set up glitch, then said it was a mistake. exactly that. | ||
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Kush said sky is blue, wait sky is red. Ff went back to the op and worked shit out and was like, wait Kush there is no way you could believe sky is red, explain. It basically showed ff as really try hard. I'm ob my phone so cant quote but it did happen. you need to ask yourself what the fuck I could.gain from heynscrooge claim oh wait don't in terms.of actual game progression. | ||
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