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On December 12 2014 01:04 batsnacks wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2014 00:28 Vivax wrote:
Actually he juggled a bit with his other scumreads, as in stuff like "shoot ritoky", then we lynch kush. But at least it's clear 27nb was his main focus.
I'll hold back judgement on this one as I want to have more time for Koshi. I said shoot kush and if kush is mafia then so is ritoky.
Yeah I confused the two of you cause you said similar things, the problem with not looking at your posts again before talking:
This is what Koshi said.
On December 11 2014 00:08 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2014 23:53 Xatalos wrote:
Kush and ritoky seem more like null. Haven't looked at them closely though Anybody who believes Kush really thought he was scum because he had a red name and posted it in the thread cuz he couldn't care less is naive. Kush doesn't trow games as scum. He does ridiculous play as scum a lot. (Sometimes as town.) But he is not going to tell the thread he got a red role for shits and giggles. He knew something. Ritoky isn't doing jack-all. He is focussing on 1 person while he is a capable player and can easily focus on multiple people. I don't have the feeling Ritoky is looking at the bigger picture this game. But he is so sure about his 1 read. I find that odd. Very odd. If we don't lynch Ritoky he isn't a bad copcheck. Or shoot him. Depending on the afker.
Show nested quote +On December 10 2014 23:51 Xatalos wrote:
Koshi you don't want to lynch OWS btw? Not today.
On December 11 2014 08:13 Koshi wrote:
Shoot Kush = thx.
It's funny how you both seem to point into the same direction. I wouldn't put weight into that yet cause the fact remains you first posted a list and then basically only focused on the main wagon while praying to a vig to fix the other problems. I'll take my time with more analysis cause the game is still too complex for my taste and I didn't yet look at everyone, so I can't say for sure you and Koshi are the only ones who exhibited that behaviour.
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Shoot Alakaslam. Ez choice. He's like grush, or Chezinu, if HF claims to be able to read him he should make a case for him being anything and then we can go on.
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I'm completely chilled knowing I'll be one of the NKs in lack of other people being townread so broadly.
Totes not being cocky.
However Arnie should simply shoot people you just skip by while reading cause they write gibberish or are too annoying to read, since they will never get lynched unless by policy and policy lynches don't work.
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I've looked at the dead guys filters and I think I'll just sheep onto their scumreads, namely
ritoky, FF, Oats for kita
Obi, froggy and FF for lone
I think ritoky for Koshi
Kush got killed by Marley and played horribly.
Gonna evaluate them individually.
If we have a vig he's stupid for not killing Alakaslam.
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Ritoky what about your present.
Also I'd like you to answer to kita's points post-his-death. I'll try to carry on what the dead guys couldn't.
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On December 12 2014 09:06 Tubesock wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2014 08:40 Vivax wrote:
If we have a vig he's stupid for not killing Alakaslam. Fucking SCUM. READ HIS POSTS.
No, thank you, I have better means of wasting my time. What's so special in there?
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Templar has a good shot at being scum. For someone who has been NKd in the first night in every game I was in with him, and one who claimed joyful child on top in this one, his play is very underwhelming considering he shows the same pattern of listing multiple scumreads but then focusing only on bunnies or setup/role-related stuff. The big posts can be deceiving and the content is often all over the place. He lacks a healthy focus on what he finds interesting (and as town I figure it wouldn't be to focus on how much time is left to deadline or what someone should or shouldn't claim)
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Not really sold on the ritoky wagon from what I've read of him lately. Most arguments are based purely on his gift claiming and scumreading somebody off that is insanity, if you want to convince me you will need more than that. His defense appeared townie to me and so did his push on his scumread.
Another townie bit I noticed about someone else was Obi saying "I don't have the grasp of what's going on in this game and that bothers me" which is something a townie will be subject to, not a scum. Don't see much reason for a scum to post such a thing. Just a thought that came to my mind and I'd like to share.
Having narrowed down the list of the NKs suspects eliminating ritoky, I'd focus more on Fecalfeast and the fact that I don't see him being pushed a lot, overall he doesn't have anything memorable to begin with and that usually alarms me. Playing doto atm will analyse him thoroughly afterwards.
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On December 09 2014 09:12 Fecalfeast wrote:Show nested quote +On December 09 2014 09:07 Alakaslam wrote:On December 09 2014 09:03 Fecalfeast wrote:On December 09 2014 08:59 Alakaslam wrote:
Calvin, Calvin, calvin.
Boobs and full length high heels and Jesus was born in summer Constant stream of nothing from you after already saying you're doing it for WIFOM. You'll run out of posts very soon at this rate. Why are you fishing for marley specifically? Thou'rt thick あなたは既にルールを破って、リングの外に辞任した。なぜあなたはまだ戦うためにしようとしている I thought being thick was a prerequisite for sumo. "You are already breaking the rules , resigned to the outside of the ring . Why are trying to order you still fight" No rules were established beforehand but if you don't want to fite I wont force you.
I was about to comment on the 27NB post but HF beat me to it. Her 'easy scum read' is in her scum pile because only scum is looking for easy scum reads...
One interesting bit I find in retrospect is this one. He wanted to talk about the 27nb stuff apparently and when catching up with his comment he seems to rehearse what HF said but without taking any opinion on it. 27nb also doesn't appear in his further reasoning. As shown here:
On December 09 2014 10:12 Fecalfeast wrote:Show nested quote +On December 09 2014 10:07 GlowingBear wrote:
Ok uhm we can lynch Templar because he is scum
We can lynch bats because he is scum
We can lynch kita because where the fuck is he
We can lynch sicklucker because he is reading but not interacting kthxbai I'd lynch templar because his posts, while long, are full of more fluff than slam's. idk who kita is but it's still early so give him a break I'd lynch sicklucker because I wanted to plynch him last game and he was scum.
This reply, in context, is meant to imitate what GB wrote, not really sure if trolling. I'll assume he isn't for now. I really hate posts like these cause they are so ambiguous. It's the sort of stuff people can use to say "but look I have made reads", or if you question their validity they can say "nah man I was just joking as a reply" as they see fit in a specific moment. Needs clearing up from FF.
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Another matter is how he starts the game going after Alakaslam in a dramatic sumo-suit fashion. Again ambiguous so hard to tell if he's joking or serious, assuming serious again, then this later post of his doesn't make much sense:
On December 09 2014 08:47 Fecalfeast wrote:Show nested quote +On December 09 2014 08:46 Damdred wrote:On December 09 2014 08:44 Fecalfeast wrote:On December 09 2014 08:42 Alakaslam wrote:
Yes they come with great influence but even the sibling is inconvenienced by such things. The awkward intensifies to the sick; the lulz come to those who know
But ultimately my sis decided she would not trade my GF of Christmas past, (B. Friend of hers, I know slam so creepy whatever) because ultimately 100% men take some influence by this whereas legs, butthijole, arms be like 20, 45, 3; but of course ppl vary
Btw who scumreads me yet for wasting posts being vulgar? If no one is shocked by this chile then he DINNAE care anymore because he don't know why it all matters
For shame if there is naebody to FITE Grab the sumo suits, I'm down for a rumble. Why are you wasting posts trying to get people to talk about you wasting posts? Why with everything going on do you not comment on it and instead only post about a joke and focus on fighting slam? Developing a read on slam seems like something nobody can reliably do so I may as well try
On December 09 2014 10:20 Fecalfeast wrote:Show nested quote +On December 09 2014 10:14 ritoky wrote:On December 09 2014 10:12 Fecalfeast wrote:On December 09 2014 10:07 GlowingBear wrote:
Ok uhm we can lynch Templar because he is scum
We can lynch bats because he is scum
We can lynch kita because where the fuck is he
We can lynch sicklucker because he is reading but not interacting kthxbai I'd lynch templar because his posts, while long, are full of more fluff than slam's. idk who kita is but it's still early so give him a break I'd lynch sicklucker because I wanted to plynch him last game and he was scum. do you not like slam? please splain to me brochacho I think slam seems the exact same in every game. Any tips for reading him?
So he's telling us he can't read Slam but still tries to at the start of the game. Obviously a futile effort. I have the same opinion about reading Slam and my solution to it is to ignore his posts until it really becomes a pressing matter to decide on him. Yet he tries it at the start of the game but sees 27nb as a secondary issue he barely comments on.
As of now I'd lynch this guy for making so little sense and talking about stuff that should be irrelevant to him (Alakaslam), and when he pretends it's relevant (comment on 27nb without ever further elaborating something on her) it really isn't. Overall his play is a pain to read and I have a hard time imagining him as town.
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Trfel is a decent lynch as well. I coached the guy when he was town in student mafia and he made high quality posts on day 1, leading him to be townread by the majority and subsequently nightkilled by the mafia on N1.
In this game he has 1 page of filter and is constantly under the radar, doesn't try to have an impact on the game, and makes his entrance just pre-deadline for no particular given reason/excuse.
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@ GB
So you thought froggynoddys entrance was bad but didn't give a shit about him afterwards, also you include arguments for him being scum but only focus on HF today.
Needless to say how that looks to me. Unless you have an explanation for only bringing up that entry as scummy now that you use it in your case against HF.
Not impressed at all.
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Tentative naughty list, it would be cool if we could lynch one of these baddies today:
- GB for this discrepancy in his case. The froggynoddy suspicion is entirely new and he doesn't look included among his scumspects. Rather fresh scumread stemming from that HF case, still have to look for more stuff thoroughly.
- TheTemplar for not being the ballsy, (scumhuntingly) talkative town templar who always gets townread D1 and mostly NKd N1. Gut based explanation, check for inconsistencies also pending here (yes I'm not going through as many filters thoroughly as I probably should yet, besides we can't lynch all of em today so I think it's fine)
- Fecalfeast for some of the stuff I found in his filter and already mentioned, plus he martyrs at various points, like during N1 and lately when he sort of expressed he doesn't care about the scumreads. But it's not the sort of righteous townie martyr when somebody is genuinely pissed off about people scumreading him or the sort, it's more like the "I don't care about the game"- martyr. Additionally he was in the focus of the night killed guys.
- Trfel for playing extremely subpar to his last game when he's capable of much much more. He doesn't want to stand in the spotlight in this game.
There's probably 5 scum since the formula for scummers is usually amount of players / 5. I don't know why people go on so much about tubesock claiming there's 5 scum being a scumslip. Scumslips are overrated in all the games I've played in save very few exceptions. Overall I find him tedious to read cause he has such a weird way of expressing himself, if I would give him a read it certainly wouldn't be cause of that.
Finding the likely 5th scum pending. Tempted to look into the direction of Oats, soultin, Kelsier for this one.
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On December 13 2014 12:32 batsnacks wrote:
Vivax vote Trfel with me?
Or maybe rsoultin. He has a stick up his ass this game. He was a lot calmer last game. I've never seen anyone engage me as calmly as he did in Student Mafia and I was out in full force.
What do you think about the other guys.
I'm up for any of them really. Waiting for people's feedback and seeing where they stand.
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On December 13 2014 13:06 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
I'm kind of tempted to lynch Vivax atm.
That last list post was pretty bad.
What's bad about letting you know the synopsis of what I've been observing this game? I made a summary of different things I pointed out about different people, and instead of leaving it at that effectually achieving nothing cause I seem all over the place and with no clear goal, I'm trying to set a waypoint from where I officially want to go on for today's lynch.
And since I talk about multiple people, it becomes a list post. Which isn't bad in itself if it has a foundation. It just looks like you're bitching about me formatting it as a list rather than the content.
Also @ Bats I need more reasons than that to be sold on a rsoultin lynch, can you find anything special in his filter.
Another post from GB that freaks me out:
On December 12 2014 22:12 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2014 22:05 Oatsmaster wrote:On December 12 2014 21:25 GlowingBear wrote:
Oats, I want you to say exactly why you want to lunch frog. sounds appealing. Er mainly its for the waffle around the policy lynch, not policy lynch shit that wasnt waffle but shouldve been waffle. And the templar read. Early day 1 - (when he is meant to be busy): lots of fluffy no content reads;
Mid Day 1 - Comes back with something again that looks constructive but is not (see FF's deconstruction that I would tend to agree with)
Late day 1 - no real pressure on him (apart from me kinda and FF kinda) - says a few things of no value - goes away (whilst this is when he was meant to be more active).
This is a super fluffy read that doesnt even show anything. Its super generalized and can be used for like half the players in the game. So its a contrived read that he did because he didnt feel comfortable doing something about nb and preferred to stay out of the spotlight. He scum yo. Frogs entrance is horrible, but I'm okay with this read on Templar. I don't see it like too fluffy.
I don't understand how somebody GB should be suspicious of makes "okay reads" when there is no indication that GB takes a good look at it, since I would expect him to agree with that read if he finds it ok. And if he agrees with it then he should find Templar lynch worthy. And if he doesn't, why doesn't he try to pick it apart and instead only finds it "ok"?
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On December 13 2014 13:16 ObiWanShinobi wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2014 13:13 sicklucker wrote:On December 13 2014 13:06 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
I'm kind of tempted to lynch Vivax atm.
That last list post was pretty bad. Not really its just the easy lynches tho. Hes so townie That's not the problem. Go through his filter. All of his scumreads are incredibly spaced out and based on flimsy evidence, and he never follows up on any of it. The only hard scumread he had all game was Xatalos, in yet he completely abandoned that push over a nonreason and hasn't given him any thought. Think about scum's objectives and think about town's objectives. Scum's job is to pass suspicion across a large number of players in order to increase the mislynch pool. Town needs to find and lynch scum. I really don't get the feeling that Vivax is out to lynch scum. His scumreads are way too hazy for that.
Xata replied to my case over multiple posts in a way I found satisfactory and I saw myself being proven wrong in the point that it wasn't a trap play from Kelsier. Simple as that. When I'm wrong I'm wrong and I don't have to cling onto a scumread when proven wrong about my arguments.
Don't know how you want me to follow up on scumreads if not by pointing out to the thread what I find scummy about people in detail which is what I have been doing all game long. We have a lot of players and I take a look at a good amount of them. You are basically suggesting that town should pursue the nonsensical play of having a narrow spectrum of people to suspect in a game of this size, while scum writes about everyone they can.
Since you speak of flimsy evidence, a generalization like that is lazy and basically claims that all of my cases have been like that when you didn't take the time to pick apart my cases in detail. IN FACT, you sheeped my Xatalos case early on and now claim it's part of the "flimsy evidence", effectively claiming you've trusted a case earlier you now say had flimsy evidence.
On December 13 2014 13:19 ObiWanShinobi wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2014 13:15 Vivax wrote:On December 13 2014 13:06 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
I'm kind of tempted to lynch Vivax atm.
That last list post was pretty bad. What's bad about letting you know the synopsis of what I've been observing this game? I made a summary of different things I pointed out about different people, and instead of leaving it at that effectually achieving nothing cause I seem all over the place and with no clear goal, I'm trying to set a waypoint from where I officially want to go on for today's lynch. And since I talk about multiple people, it becomes a list post. Which isn't bad in itself if it has a foundation. It just looks like you're bitching about me formatting it as a list rather than the content. I don't understand what you get out of setting a "waypoint." Clarify?
It makes you all know where I stand and who I would lynch and opens up discussion with me on any of the subjects mentioned, whether people disagree or agree.
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On December 13 2014 13:27 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2014 11:23 Vivax wrote:
@ GB
So you thought froggynoddys entrance was bad but didn't give a shit about him afterwards, also you include arguments for him being scum but only focus on HF today.
Needless to say how that looks to me. Unless you have an explanation for only bringing up that entry as scummy now that you use it in your case against HF.
Not impressed at all. I wasn't following the thread as I said multiple times, so your argument is invalid. You are also using ad hominem instead considering my whole argument GUUS IM DEUNK
You aren't following the thread but you say that froggys entrance was bad, his case on templar was ok without you actually giving an opinion on the case or templar, and you followed all of that but you aren't following the thread so you aren't to be held accountable for anything.
Uh huh.
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On December 13 2014 13:35 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Meh, I'm willing to let Vivax play things out a bit more.
I'll be watching.
Not so fast, acting all high and mighty as if you are only to be the judge and not to be judged. How can you say everything I do was based on flimsy evidence when you've previously found some of my arguments good and townread me based on some post back then. It's a very drastic 180 ° that brings up questions.
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On December 13 2014 13:40 rsoultin wrote:
Viva, if you have questions for me, I am here to answer them, so it's a good time to ask.
I will say, though, that GB looks like a good lynch to me today. Drunk or not. He's managed to have an excuse all game...not sitting well with me at all.
I do have a question and it's the fact that you bring up more points on ritoky being scum than GB being scum. You make a whole list of points that in your opinion speak for ritoky being mafia but your reasons for voting GB are that he's not living up to your standards and making excuses. From my perspective your preference should be weighted towards ritoky. Why isn't that the case?
@ Bats (and thread)
Trfel didn't copypaste anything from me last game. I only gave him general advice on the game, he made his own reads and posts. For today I would prioritize FF and GB given the NKs and the arguments on the two which are less gut based than the others, also I'm waiting for you (bats) to give me your thoughts on the other guys I mentioned, please.
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On December 13 2014 13:58 batsnacks wrote:
@Vivax the other three people on that list who weren't Trfel you said were gut reads. I similarly don't have "thoughts" but gut feelings on those people. I am not convinced any of them are scum except for Trfel. I could skim through filters and find 1 townie thing or 1 scummy thing they did to support my gut read... like you probably did. But I'm saying it like it is. Gut says GB, FF, and templar are maybe town. I'm less confident about GB and templar, they're closer to null. Trfel is the only person on that list I feel strongly about.
Fact of the matter is that I have arguments for both GB and FF being scum, not just gut reads. The gut reads are basically everyone else (Templar, trfel) since those arguments rely on their meta.
GB's stance regarding froggy doesn't make sense since he scumreads him for his entrance but doesn't try to analyse his templar read further besides saying "it's ok". Also he says it's ok but he doesn't scumread templar so I wonder how he can find a read ok if he doesn't agree with it?
Plus his narrowness on having HF as scumread and not openly considering a froggy lynch even though he gave all the arguments for his being a scum entrance.
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I've looked at the NKs again, based on their reads and combined with mine, if I had to take a guess, and take my gut reads out, the scum team would look something like this:
GB
froggy
FecalFeast
OWS
Oats
I suggest we start with Fecal today and go on with GB tomorrow as they were what I perceive as the main focus of the NKd guys. I'd also put bats as a possibility since he doesn't read my posts carefully and wants me to get onto Trfel so badly while blending out the other possibilities.
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