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Alakaslam
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States17336 Posts
December 23 2014 17:10 GMT
#5261
YOU talk too much garbage?

CHUPAZI con butthijole vato

Los patas comé Tierra agua y feo kaka
If you think Elon Musk is a Nazi, it is because YOU radicalized him!
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
December 23 2014 17:14 GMT
#5262
On December 24 2014 01:57 sicklucker wrote:
I thought you were trying to be scummy so you dont get killed and that totally worked? But ya your "town game" totally feel off from your first one


After N2, when Trfel and OWS were lost, oh yes, absolutely it was a race to the bottom. It was clear as day they wanted all the PRs gone. But people were scumreading me prior to N2, which makes sense and that is where I am concerned because I knew I had trouble with reading a lot of people and stringing cases/arguments. It will be problematic regardless of whether I am a VT or PR if I can't get that part together, hopefully I can pick it up in the next few games.
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Alakaslam
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States17336 Posts
December 23 2014 17:23 GMT
#5263
Experience is everything, yes

You will be better than my 50+ games by the time you reach 15 probably
If you think Elon Musk is a Nazi, it is because YOU radicalized him!
LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14276 Posts
December 23 2014 17:29 GMT
#5264
Slam any tips bro? I know you tried to coach me but I was dead to fast at that game (Campus Mafia).
May the next light shine/Former #1 Alliance LoL fan/ Current Teamliquid LoL Fan
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16317 Posts
December 23 2014 17:39 GMT
#5265
On December 24 2014 02:29 LightningStrike wrote:
Slam any tips bro? I know you tried to coach me but I was dead to fast at that game (Campus Mafia).

Alway follow the way of CHUPAZI. Trust the BAMCIS players like BH and never let the mafia SVENGALI you.
Hijole
Alakaslam
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States17336 Posts
December 23 2014 17:45 GMT
#5266
On December 24 2014 02:39 justanothertownie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 24 2014 02:29 LightningStrike wrote:
Slam any tips bro? I know you tried to coach me but I was dead to fast at that game (Campus Mafia).

Alway follow the way of CHUPAZI. Trust the BAMCIS players like BH and never let the mafia SVENGALI you.
Hijole

Basically

Like most I can say is from a scum perspective, which you weren't this game?
If you think Elon Musk is a Nazi, it is because YOU radicalized him!
Alakaslam
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States17336 Posts
December 23 2014 17:46 GMT
#5267
Oh yeah that is the game where BH made me a town coach

Like yeah I can only do so much

I follow my gut (the way of hitleric uncanny CHUPAZI) so often I don't even know why my opinion has formed until I figure it out

I am still right a lot though xD
If you think Elon Musk is a Nazi, it is because YOU radicalized him!
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36160 Posts
December 23 2014 18:20 GMT
#5268
On December 24 2014 00:21 Koshi wrote:
I got #yolo shot...

How many of these disgruntled workers were there? That branch manager was just another vigi like this. Scum had 2 vigis. Interesting. I thought the workers had to claim before they would be able to be shot. Not... Strange stuff.

what happened was that i originally made the branch manager role to kill claimed millers. But then Palmar decided it could be shot any time and just lose the bullet if they missed, and didn't update the wording i'd written for branch manager.

there were 3 disgruntled workers total, one got lynched d1, kita was the other that got factional killed, so essentially mafia had a 1/20 shot in hitting the remaining disgruntled worker (you) and they hit it. Very nice for them.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36160 Posts
December 23 2014 18:30 GMT
#5269
On December 24 2014 01:18 rsoultin wrote:
lol, GB, your initial case was bad, probably because your initial read was based on a gut read and you were trying to articulate it in a way to present as evidence. Read good, case bad, execution worse.

Between that and the screaming I turned off to everything else you said for too long. My bias, most definitely, and I need to learn that a bad case (Vivax had a couple) =/= scum or wrong. But you did kind of dig yourself a hole there, at least with me. SL has that effect on me, too. All the present talk made me inclined to ignore the good point you guys brought up about the present and HF later. I'm a bullheaded dingbat, but thinking things out before you present them will help you guys, I'm pretty sure.

Palmar already said it but you have to understand that a different style to yours (which is slow, logical, methodical) does not equal mafia.

You were throwing suspicion on GB for his very, very, very townie push, and you were also pushing suspicion on sicklucker who was actually just incredibly townie in every facet.

And essentially you didn't have mafia on HF for ages (despite the damning voting on d2 but that's something else) because he posted in a way you approved of with his cases.

This was quite a strange game in one way because normally I feel a lot of mafia members are too bus-happy, whereas in this game all the mafia had a hard-on for defending other mafia at almost every turn, and in the end it tied them all together.

Trfel, liancourt, and sicklucker especially understood what happened d2 with great game-reading sense - essentially all the mafia piled on KsC in an attempt to save Holyflare. Xatalos and KsC cross-defended each other repeatedly, Xatalos+Oats defended HF constantly, HF defended Xatalos, etc etc.

Oats' play was just dire, but if mafia had played the d2 lynch better and/or Xata had judiciously bussed HF at the right time, mafia might have stood more of a chance.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9244 Posts
December 23 2014 18:43 GMT
#5270
On January 10 2012 04:28 Qatol wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 09 2012 12:02 kitaman27 wrote:
I'm not quite sure where this should be discussed, but one problem I've noticed over the course of the last few games is that different hosts have different policies when dealing with deadline actions. For example, if the deadline were 9:00, some allow players to submit actions and count votes at exactly 9:00, while others only allow them at 8:59, but no later. In the most recent game, people were announcing their vig shots, thinking the deadline had been reached, when in reality, the scum team could respond and change their roleblock if they were quick enough. I think if we had a consistent deadline policy for all hosts, we won't have to worry about running into any problems in the future.

Show nested quote +

Time Cycle:
This game will follow a (24 hour night/48 hour) day cycle. In case I am not able to post around deadline, any votes after the 48 hour mark will not count and the game will be put on halt until the night post is up. Currently the deadline is time, but that is subject to change. Actions/votes will be accepted up to and including the posted time, but not after.

Good? I doubt there will be much debate on this; it's a matter of consistency more than anything else.


Not that it was a huge deal this game, but this is the second game in a row that this has been brought up.

I know Palmar clarified things in the vote count, but that kinda conflicts with how the deadlines work in the model OP, so in the future I think we should try to stick to accepting votes up to and including the time listed in the OP to avoid confusion.

The ghosts interaction with the Scrooge role was cool. It's too bad that it never got to be used. I liked the present idea too though I suppose there were issues with confirming players based on their use of the role. For instance, a mafia player who didn't want to risk getting blown up was punished for receiving a present. Might work better in a closed setup though with less confirmed information. Overall, there seemed to be way too many claims early on in the game regarding players roles and who received presents, especially in setups with role specific vig's and roleblockers. Even if you are safe from these vig's, you're narrowing down the pool for others to get targeted with a claim.

I get what you were trying to do with the single mason, but I'm not sure that trying to teach town a lesson about not to solve the game with roles was worth the risk of a possible mafia fake claiming the mason partner, not geting counter-claimed, and have a 300 page thread go to waste over a misunderstanding of the setup.
I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38797 Posts
December 23 2014 18:57 GMT
#5271
On December 24 2014 03:20 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 24 2014 00:21 Koshi wrote:
I got #yolo shot...

How many of these disgruntled workers were there? That branch manager was just another vigi like this. Scum had 2 vigis. Interesting. I thought the workers had to claim before they would be able to be shot. Not... Strange stuff.

what happened was that i originally made the branch manager role to kill claimed millers. But then Palmar decided it could be shot any time and just lose the bullet if they missed, and didn't update the wording i'd written for branch manager.

there were 3 disgruntled workers total, one got lynched d1, kita was the other that got factional killed, so essentially mafia had a 1/20 shot in hitting the remaining disgruntled worker (you) and they hit it. Very nice for them.

I liked your idea better. Punishes bad play (claims) instead of rewarding luck.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38797 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-12-23 19:43:37
December 23 2014 18:59 GMT
#5272
also I wouldn't be dead.
I had a good night of sleep.
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
December 23 2014 19:29 GMT
#5273
On December 24 2014 03:30 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 24 2014 01:18 rsoultin wrote:
lol, GB, your initial case was bad, probably because your initial read was based on a gut read and you were trying to articulate it in a way to present as evidence. Read good, case bad, execution worse.

Between that and the screaming I turned off to everything else you said for too long. My bias, most definitely, and I need to learn that a bad case (Vivax had a couple) =/= scum or wrong. But you did kind of dig yourself a hole there, at least with me. SL has that effect on me, too. All the present talk made me inclined to ignore the good point you guys brought up about the present and HF later. I'm a bullheaded dingbat, but thinking things out before you present them will help you guys, I'm pretty sure.

Palmar already said it but you have to understand that a different style to yours (which is slow, logical, methodical) does not equal mafia.

You were throwing suspicion on GB for his very, very, very townie push, and you were also pushing suspicion on sicklucker who was actually just incredibly townie in every facet.

And essentially you didn't have mafia on HF for ages (despite the damning voting on d2 but that's something else) because he posted in a way you approved of with his cases.

This was quite a strange game in one way because normally I feel a lot of mafia members are too bus-happy, whereas in this game all the mafia had a hard-on for defending other mafia at almost every turn, and in the end it tied them all together.

Trfel, liancourt, and sicklucker especially understood what happened d2 with great game-reading sense - essentially all the mafia piled on KsC in an attempt to save Holyflare. Xatalos and KsC cross-defended each other repeatedly, Xatalos+Oats defended HF constantly, HF defended Xatalos, etc etc.

Oats' play was just dire, but if mafia had played the d2 lynch better and/or Xata had judiciously bussed HF at the right time, mafia might have stood more of a chance.


Hehe. I've often been far too happy to bus so I basically tried to defend my team this time around It worked somewhat well too. Well, in the end it kind of gave me away... But if there weren't some unfortunate blunders on our side or if HTS didn't use her role (almost) perfectly, I think the chances were good for a (near) flawless victory. I wasn't really suspected for my associating with scum until very later either.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
December 23 2014 19:37 GMT
#5274
I enjoyed playing with xata, and koshi again
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38797 Posts
December 23 2014 19:43 GMT
#5275
I am pretty awesome.
I had a good night of sleep.
GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
December 23 2014 19:44 GMT
#5276
On December 24 2014 04:37 Damdred wrote:
I enjoyed playing with xata, and koshi again


I would say the same, but I haven't read day one yet.

Probably never will
I'm adorable.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
December 23 2014 19:45 GMT
#5277
On December 24 2014 04:37 Damdred wrote:
I enjoyed playing with xata, and koshi again


I think you played the best in the game btw
Alakaslam
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States17336 Posts
December 23 2014 20:45 GMT
#5278
See but this is why we are so bus happy (the bus happy scum I mean)

Like I am terrible at scum lately because I am getting better at town and my acting memory hasn't caught up, but srs

When you bus nobody can solve the game like this. see Lian HTS GB op hey

But

If everybody bussed I question if it would have been so
If you think Elon Musk is a Nazi, it is because YOU radicalized him!
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
December 23 2014 20:46 GMT
#5279
On December 24 2014 03:30 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 24 2014 01:18 rsoultin wrote:
lol, GB, your initial case was bad, probably because your initial read was based on a gut read and you were trying to articulate it in a way to present as evidence. Read good, case bad, execution worse.

Between that and the screaming I turned off to everything else you said for too long. My bias, most definitely, and I need to learn that a bad case (Vivax had a couple) =/= scum or wrong. But you did kind of dig yourself a hole there, at least with me. SL has that effect on me, too. All the present talk made me inclined to ignore the good point you guys brought up about the present and HF later. I'm a bullheaded dingbat, but thinking things out before you present them will help you guys, I'm pretty sure.

Palmar already said it but you have to understand that a different style to yours (which is slow, logical, methodical) does not equal mafia.

You were throwing suspicion on GB for his very, very, very townie push, and you were also pushing suspicion on sicklucker who was actually just incredibly townie in every facet.

And essentially you didn't have mafia on HF for ages (despite the damning voting on d2 but that's something else) because he posted in a way you approved of with his cases.

This was quite a strange game in one way because normally I feel a lot of mafia members are too bus-happy, whereas in this game all the mafia had a hard-on for defending other mafia at almost every turn, and in the end it tied them all together.

Trfel, liancourt, and sicklucker especially understood what happened d2 with great game-reading sense - essentially all the mafia piled on KsC in an attempt to save Holyflare. Xatalos and KsC cross-defended each other repeatedly, Xatalos+Oats defended HF constantly, HF defended Xatalos, etc etc.

Oats' play was just dire, but if mafia had played the d2 lynch better and/or Xata had judiciously bussed HF at the right time, mafia might have stood more of a chance.


Lol, yup. Learning experience. I'm like this irl, too...emotion makes me turn off. I'll get it eventually ^^
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
Alakaslam
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States17336 Posts
December 23 2014 20:47 GMT
#5280
Woooooaow that post came out late

Lovin dat cellular data sson
If you think Elon Musk is a Nazi, it is because YOU radicalized him!
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