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GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
December 21 2014 15:30 GMT
#4727
I think the night actions for today has so much possibilities that it will be too unreliable to go after. It's not like day1.

Anyway, the most weird thing was that Vivax wasn't protected and he was, I believe, the top town.
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GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
December 21 2014 15:33 GMT
#4731
On December 22 2014 00:31 Xatalos wrote:
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On December 21 2014 23:39 GlowingBear wrote:
This is the laziest town ever, including me. I didn't see anybody trying to filter dive the scums to find out associations.

Xat, inactivity is not really the problem. The problem is that I can't see you dropping your thoughts clearly in the thread or actually trying to solve the game like I'm used to see you doing. I remember perfectly me getting all crazy in you for you saying "If he isn't town, he is scum", lol. This was after a long description of your thought process. I don't see any of these things in your filter. Actually, I see more rough, objective reads, without too many stream of thoughts, which, in my experience, isn't your usual play.

@Rsoultin:

Oats: probably scum due to inactivity. If town is degladiating themselves, scum will usually sit back and let town die. This image fits oats behaviour. This is how scum usually plays big games. More than this, oats tends to be more contributive, actually calling people scum and going for it. I usually see oats doing this as town: "you're stupid, you're wrong, because of this." In this game, he is just saying "you're stupid, you're wrong". He says everything me and Vivax speak of is convoluted, but then agrees with Vivax list. I have yet to understand he logic behind this.

I've explained Xat on the first paragraph.

Slam: I don't know man. I saw things that makes me believe slam is town. But I think slam would be more involved in the game when it's LYLO, like he was in Avogadro Mafia. The worst part now is that he is clearly reading the thread, as you ask him for reads and he answers, but doesn't provide reasoning. This is a sign that slam may be mafia. So I'm going from town to null on him.


Well, my playstyle fluctuates too. A heavy factor in this game is that I can't just spam the thread when I have a post limit.


Again, I'm not talking about level of activity. I'm talking about the way you're writing your posts or the way you're approaching the game, which is different from the way I'm used to see you doing.
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GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
December 21 2014 20:39 GMT
#4758
Do not waste time on FF. this is not the day to lynch him
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GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
December 22 2014 00:57 GMT
#4773
On December 22 2014 09:48 rsoultin wrote:
On a slightly unrelated note...I'm beginning to get the feeling that HF, the ultimate townie of awesome, can't be bothered to give a shit unless he's being pushed and in danger of being lynched.

For someone so determined to figure out the game...


To early to state this. I was already going to push this later in the day, when it comes really clear that he doesn't give a shit to the game in LYLO, the exact same behaviour he says he has when he is scum.
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GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
December 22 2014 01:27 GMT
#4775
Don't worry. It's already less than a day until the lynch and he has done nothing. Although he will come tomorrow and say he had a busy Sunday.
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GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
December 22 2014 01:35 GMT
#4776
LS and HTS, reads on Templar and HF. Now.
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GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
December 22 2014 02:01 GMT
#4779
LS, can you explain me how did you vote Tubesock if you had a scumread on Templar, and why did you vote with the guy you had a scumread on (considering Templar voted Tubesock all the game long and ended voting on him last day)
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GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
December 22 2014 02:15 GMT
#4782
On December 22 2014 11:09 LightningStrike wrote:
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On December 22 2014 11:01 GlowingBear wrote:
LS, can you explain me how did you vote Tubesock if you had a scumread on Templar, and why did you vote with the guy you had a scumread on (considering Templar voted Tubesock all the game long and ended voting on him last day)

I had scum read both tbh with you, To tell you the truth I thought we weren't going to get enough on templar in time so I went with my other scum read which was Tubesock that why my voted swap from Templar to Tubesock.


Poor excuse, Templar was leading the votes if I remember correctly and if it wasn't for Tubesock ridiculous shenannies, he would probably be lynched.
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GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
December 22 2014 02:21 GMT
#4783
So, if we talk about town Xatalos, we are mostly talking about an absurd filter length. But more than filter length, Xatalos is a guy who keeps his thoughts in the thread, not in his mind, and is constantly trying to solve the game. I've picked up a game where we played together, it was Guilty Mini Mafia.

This is a post he had on his second page of filter:
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On August 22 2014 19:17 Xatalos wrote:
Damdred -1 Pretty forgettable posts so far instead of awkward like last time.... scum(my)?

raynpelikoneet -1 Robik made a funny point about the way how rayn would have stayed up as town (and he even said that he would stay for the deadline too??) haha - started really aggressive after that, nothing really special to say about that, just a bit of an uncomfortable feeling with the not posting at night despite apparently staying up around the deadline... and somehow his reads feel a bit too certain/forced? let's just say null with some concern for now

Hapahauli 0

justanothertownie 0

Onegu 0

VayneAuthority 0

IAmRobik 1 Casually townreading people etc. just feels a bit towny, probably

KelsierSC 1 "tryhardish" opening post that is actually fluff - and the theme continues.... :/ ugh so awkward, but also confrontational, so maybe just awkwardly tryhard? - really eager to lynch "useless" people ugh..? what is this... well continues to antagonize people so prolly town maybe? dunno... well seems so tryhard that I guess town maybe

yamato77 1 said nothing noteworthy yet - well started making some jokey posts so town?

turtlevine 2 obvious smurf... pretty funny/constructive opening post, townish feels I guess

GlowingBear 4 a LOT less awkward than in the Arnie game IMO, so town? yeah seems pretty natural at posting overall, and constructive, so towntown

WaveOfShadow 4 Reveals willingly which players he's confident in reading and responds to Kelsier in a pretty casual/townish(?) way - really casual posting style so town lean for now



You see, he is someone who has reads on a lot of people and contributes with discussion by exteriorising them.

More than that, he takes original stances on people. Here is another post by Xatalos on day 1:

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On August 23 2014 00:08 Xatalos wrote:
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On August 22 2014 23:58 raynpelikoneet wrote:
So far were doing good.
We are not lynching me, KSC, JAT or Robik in any case. Because we are town.
Hapa and Onge have not postesd yet so there is at least one scum in active players.

I am leaning scum on Wave and Glowingbear, strongly.
Is there anyone who thinks they are town?


KSC - yeah probably town, really feels like he believes his own ideas and pushes them strongly without care for how he's viewed as a result

jat - no idea, how do you townread him so strongly? he had a humongous filter as scum earlier so not activity... and he immediately jumped to discredit me without calling me scum when you called me scum... I just can't feel the strong townread so help me here

Robik - not as sure as last game but yeah leaning town for being pretty active and posting stuff

you - still not sure, I think you're very capable of doing everything you've done so far as scum so hard to townread you

WOS - my earlier townread on him was a bit faulty so I don't really anyhow heavily townread him anymore, why is he scum though?

GB - I don't necessarily think he's town anymore, his weird connection read on me+WOS, curiousness about someone townreading him, and overall awkward posts lately don't look good... could be scum I guess



You see, he is already giving reads on a lot of people. But more than this: he is contributing without being asked to contribute. Take a look at the nested quote. Rayn isn't directing a question towards Xatalos. Xatalos is posting this because he wanted to contribute, he wanted to discuss his reads.

I'll go ahead into later days to show you that he keeps the "solving the game" stance throughout the whole thread:

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On August 27 2014 01:15 Xatalos wrote:
Still weird that he refused to vote for Robik when 1) he claimed to follow jat's lead and jat voted for Robik 2) he didn't have any real opinion of Robik (except "Robik being Robik") and didn't exactly townread me, but agreed with me a lot and didn't seem to at least suspect me.


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On August 26 2014 02:17 Xatalos wrote:
Actually I just had a thought. In the Arnie game Damdred constantly asked me these little questions to share my reads more / make me more readable. Damdred's play here reminds me a lot of that. So yeah, I don't want to lynch Damdred today.



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On August 26 2014 02:50 Xatalos wrote:
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On August 26 2014 02:32 KelsierSC wrote:
Xat Could you give me a condensed version of how you read the game right now after the night kills and the VA claim?


Here are my "condensed" reads >.>

VayneAuthority -2 not really a fan of his posts so far, I think someone said that he's pretty serious as scum and trolly as town? serious so far... seems to focus only on survival + made a rather dubious roleclaim
claimed JOAT early on D2 "to survive"

Onegu -1 AFK and still catching up :/ - entered the game constructively and tried to figure out the game, probably town... Hapa made good points about him being reckless to push rayn as scum + showing suspicion towards a Mason claim haha - well hasn't done much lately so dropped points - rayn flipping town puts him into worse light especially since he just threw his vote on rayn and disappeared

Damdred 1 Pretty forgettable posts so far instead of awkward like last time.... scum(my)? - actually his more recent posts mirror my thoughts so town? - rayn made a decent(ish) point about him perhaps being SK since he's a bit forgettable/passive??? and also looked for bluetells earlier... but still not a D1 lynch - worst D1 deadline vote, not good - actually his little questions to me remind a lot of the Arnie game so rather wait and see than lynch for now, feels like potentially town

Hapahauli 2 entered with great posts on rayn & me, quite confident that he's town - then dropped rayn suddenly, weird, possible scum after all? dunno, doesn't feel like a good D1 lynch anyway - went on to lynch Mafia GF which makes him a lot more towny - possible SK still considering rayn NK?

KelsierSC 3 "tryhardish" opening post that is actually fluff - and the theme continues.... :/ ugh so awkward, but also confrontational, so maybe just awkwardly tryhard? - really eager to lynch "useless" people ugh..? what is this... well continues to antagonize people so prolly town maybe? dunno... well seems so tryhard that I guess town maybe... yeah I guess so - well he's been defending rayn and pushing me with very forced reasons so not confident about him being town anymore (though he'd be very stupid if he's scum with rayn) - well more likely town still, very fearless if scum

WaveOfShadow 3 Reveals willingly which players he's confident in reading and responds to Kelsier in a pretty casual/townish(?) way - really casual posting style so town lean for now - really active/chatty in Championship as scum though so could be scum too - but he's still pretty happily participating in the discussion and felt genuinely frustrated at some point so town after all? - away for a lot of crucial discussion which drops his points by one - well he's come back to the thread and his posts seem pretty good lately - his thoughts resonated with my thoughts around deadline quite a bit which is good

yamato77 3 said nothing noteworthy yet - well started making some jokey posts so town? very lurky though which is scummy for him - re-entered the thread with vengeance and has been very townish, I'd say even obvtown level pretty much - Hapa made some good points about him lacking confidence and going on lurking periods though - still (actively?) lurking and posting here and there... gave up exactly like in the PYP game ALERT ALERT - went on to vote & kill Robik though and started actually doing stuff so probably town after all



Look at how he has opinion on everybody and shares it with everyone. Look at how he tried to see things from people's perspective. Look at how he has a thought and posts it in the thread to share his opinion with everybody. This is town Xatalos.

**************

Mafia Xatalos is determined by suing the necessary, asking questions, and not really having original thoughts and stances. Moreover, he doesn't have an overall view of the game.

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On December 10 2013 06:49 Xatalos wrote:
Kushm4sta, by the way, I hope you're planning to play this game seriously. I've witnessed several games that you've partly ruined by lurking or worse.

If you're scum, you can get policy lynched. That's fine.


High level of certainty/aggressiveness, uncommon on his townplay described above.

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On December 10 2013 07:43 Xatalos wrote:
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On December 10 2013 07:36 LSB wrote:
On December 10 2013 07:24 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
On December 10 2013 07:21 LSB wrote:
On December 10 2013 07:19 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
On December 10 2013 07:17 LSB wrote:
I think we need to calm down. My "townie on townie day 1 shitstorm" sense is tingling.

That speaking, oddly enough it does encourage a Xatalos lynch

Whom do you feel are townies from this and why? It hasn't really been one on one. It's been HF and Xatalos against Cora, and myself, Alakaslam and you against Xatalos. If you feel it's townie on townie, then you'd think Xatalos was town.

So far I think I am townie, I haven't really thought past that. I just don't think this day 1 attitude is gonna be very productive.

The whole entire Xatalos suspicion does require a meta read on Xatalos to see if he is brilliant enough to try for the plan on day 1, or does he just play like this.

I just skimmed through the filter he linked and I don't think it looks like the start of this game at all. He's far more aggressive here. What were you trying to say exactly with your initial post if you didn't mean to give anyone a town read but yourself? I'm confused. I don't think a plan other than "starting shit" is required for scum. That's always a good thing.

In my opinion natural scum play is to stay low, especially on day 1, the town tends to self destruct anyways day 1. This whole entire "starting shit" strat is actually pretty good, even though it is counterintuitive to the idea of trying to not draw attention. Thus I assumed this strat is not very obvious, especially since I personally never considered it.

This is all pure speculation. Something more grounded is that Xatalos is definably acting very different from before, and in my eyes less of a townie


Well, that game is special in the sense that it started during night and nights were PM-only within given Houses. I definitely put pressure on gumshoe and Grackaroni during the night, I'd say. And I was relatively aggressive during the first day, as well. Probably not as aggressive as here, I agree.

Do you mean that passive = townish and aggressive/proactive = scummy? Or what? I can't really see myself playing like this as scum. It'd have to be pretty carefully crafted at least.


Too defensive when inquired, lacking deep reads on people.

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On December 10 2013 08:09 Xatalos wrote:
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On December 10 2013 08:01 Holyflare wrote:
On December 10 2013 07:42 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
On December 10 2013 07:36 LSB wrote:
On December 10 2013 07:24 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
On December 10 2013 07:21 LSB wrote:
On December 10 2013 07:19 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
On December 10 2013 07:17 LSB wrote:
I think we need to calm down. My "townie on townie day 1 shitstorm" sense is tingling.

That speaking, oddly enough it does encourage a Xatalos lynch

Whom do you feel are townies from this and why? It hasn't really been one on one. It's been HF and Xatalos against Cora, and myself, Alakaslam and you against Xatalos. If you feel it's townie on townie, then you'd think Xatalos was town.

So far I think I am townie, I haven't really thought past that. I just don't think this day 1 attitude is gonna be very productive.

The whole entire Xatalos suspicion does require a meta read on Xatalos to see if he is brilliant enough to try for the plan on day 1, or does he just play like this.

I just skimmed through the filter he linked and I don't think it looks like the start of this game at all. He's far more aggressive here. What were you trying to say exactly with your initial post if you didn't mean to give anyone a town read but yourself? I'm confused. I don't think a plan other than "starting shit" is required for scum. That's always a good thing.

In my opinion natural scum play is to stay low, especially on day 1, the town tends to self destruct anyways day 1. This whole entire "starting shit" strat is actually pretty good, even though it is counterintuitive to the idea of trying to not draw attention. Thus I assumed this strat is not very obvious, especially since I personally never considered it.

This is all pure speculation. Something more grounded is that Xatalos is definably acting very different from before, and in my eyes less of a townie

I don't feel like Xatalos put himself in the spotlight as much as trying to put others in the spotlight. Corazon put himself in the spotlight without any scum gain. When you look at his post from a scum point of view, it doesn't make sense for them to make it. I can see a scum agenda behind Xatalos' posts. That said, I do like his view on my pressure on him in that it was nuanced rather than trying to score town points. The rest of the day should provide more information.
On December 10 2013 07:36 Holyflare wrote:
Nobody going to discuss cora's mindset or are you going to dismiss it outright for xantos discussion some more?

On December 10 2013 06:52 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Holy, I don't feel like his response is that different. I also don't think he'd put himself out there so much at the start of the game. No reason to draw attention to yourself like that as scum.


Given you quoted me I take it you'd like a response from me? I don't find Corazon scummy at this point in time because he drew attention to himself without any scum benefit.


Is it not also a scum mindset to heavily defend themselves when attacked, unnaturally so? Also while defending themselves to then deflect upon another person? Why are you only looking for the people that are "starting shit"? I only know a few scum that play that way. Have you any scum meta on Xatalos that suggests he plays like he is?

I don't like how you're so dismissive over cora without discussion when with Xantos you skim the filters to discuss him further.

On December 10 2013 06:52 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Holy, I don't feel like his response is that different. I also don't think he'd put himself out there so much at the start of the game. No reason to draw attention to yourself like that as scum.


On December 10 2013 07:24 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
On December 10 2013 07:21 LSB wrote:
On December 10 2013 07:19 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
On December 10 2013 07:17 LSB wrote:
I think we need to calm down. My "townie on townie day 1 shitstorm" sense is tingling.

That speaking, oddly enough it does encourage a Xatalos lynch

Whom do you feel are townies from this and why? It hasn't really been one on one. It's been HF and Xatalos against Cora, and myself, Alakaslam and you against Xatalos. If you feel it's townie on townie, then you'd think Xatalos was town.

So far I think I am townie, I haven't really thought past that. I just don't think this day 1 attitude is gonna be very productive.

The whole entire Xatalos suspicion does require a meta read on Xatalos to see if he is brilliant enough to try for the plan on day 1, or does he just play like this.

I just skimmed through the filter he linked and I don't think it looks like the start of this game at all. He's far more aggressive here. What were you trying to say exactly with your initial post if you didn't mean to give anyone a town read but yourself? I'm confused. I don't think a plan other than "starting shit" is required for scum. That's always a good thing.


Look at the difference between these two points - on the one hand (cora) is dismissed by saying "I don't think scum plays that way" whereas the second (Xatalos) is "I have skimmed it briefly and think it's different because X,Y,Z. Question, question.



_____________________________

In regards to the point that you made about cora, I don't think he's "putting himself out there" like you suggest, he said that he couldn't dedicate some time towards the game but would still post actively and got picked up on it and was like OMGNUUWRONGRAWRRR!!!!!! and then didn't discuss why with people further or indicate that he had reads on other people because of what happened. He left the thread and then returned when people started mentioning Xatalos and piggybacked upon that with no new reasoning other than what people had said before. He mentions how people in the thread were piggybacking previously (me, etc.) and had qualms with them but then does the same thing here:

On December 10 2013 07:10 Corazon wrote:
I do feel like Slam was right as well. If Xatalos was using good logic and pushing me like a townie, I wouldn't have a problem with him. However, he is using faulty logic on purpose and trying to pass it off as correct when in fact his conclusions only come about because he needs to fake pressure on me.


This is contradictary with his previous approach of disliking people that piggybacking and is essentially +1ing another players points.





Take this in B2B for example, people had a bad read on him and he DISCUSSED why it was bad:
On November 21 2013 01:00 Corazon wrote:
When did I say that sciberia was bad town? Please find a post where I said he was bad town.

I didn't vote for sciberia because 0% of wagons in the first 2 hours of a game actually get to the deadline? None. What is the point of vote-jumping? It just allows people to skim my cases once they see the bold vote and only really look at it once it's my turn to be under the gun. Voting for people at this stage is pretty useless because it's not going to get a lynch going. I guarantee you that our reads and opinions are going to change before the deadline and it's useless to lock yourself in (or at least making a statement saying you are going to) 2 hours into a game.

That case was confirmation bias because you took 1-2 decent points about me (which alone are not enough to justify a vote or my lynching) and then supplemented them with saying "Corazon is doing stuff that he always does in every game, he has to be scum for it in this one".


He mentions WHY the case was bad etc etc, discusses it and outlines why he thinks it was bad croming from X player. Where is that here? It was a dissmissal of a case from me and a sheep onto townish consesus Xatalos.


__________________________________________

I don't like how these things are most definitely brushed off for simplicity that "I don't think scum do this" when there is a body of evidence that suggests a player does not play like this. Vote Cora for best lynch.


These are definitely some good points. It's surely premature to declare Corazon as today's lynch, but it would be a good pick in the current situation.

I dislike Artanis's dismissal of Corazon's play as well, but I doubt Artanis and Corazon would be scum together. It would seem risky to make a connection like that. That's WIFOM, though.



Commenting others ideas without actually bringing his own to the table. Says something wishy washy without risking himself with his reads

*********

Xatalos is playing much more like his scum game than his town game here.

This is specific and out of context, but illustrates what I'm saying:
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On December 18 2014 23:31 Xatalos wrote:
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On December 18 2014 23:22 rsoultin wrote:
Okay -_- So for those of you who don't like wall posts I will make my stance simple. Most of my points on GB could happen as either town or mafia. Town can flip their reads on a gut read (odd that the one it protects is scum, but that doesn't necessarily mean anything) to someone instead of focusing on genuinely scummy behavior. Town can digress into a "town only gives presents to town" WIFOM for no reason. Town can speculate on set-ups and base scum reads on that. Town can tunnel. All of these things together look worse...or at least make the player look like a bad town player...but there are a couple things that are scum-motivated that have no town motivation at all:

- Continually calling for mass claiming in an open set-up where scum has 2-3KSs.Or calling for certain individuals to claim (carolers, those who were roleblocked, vet)

- Attempting to take credit for a lynch when he did not catch the lie, and furthermore did not vote for the player being lynched, when he clearly had enough time to do so. His defense that he was trying to see who would jump onto a third train was never followed through on...he is back on his old soapbox today.


^ There are no reasons that these are town behaviors. Plain and simple. You can ignore everything else and write it off as a pisspoor town player, but there are no reasons for a town player to do these two things.

HF may well be scum, I don't know. But I haven't seen him do scummy things, and I have seen GB do a multitude. Again, if you want to base your lynch decisions on WIFOM, presents, and set-up speculation...be my guest. Don't be surprised if it comes back to bite you in the arse though.


Yeah I agree. For both of those the scum motivation is strong and the town motivation is non-existent. I like Templar as scum too, though. But at least he hasn't actively pushed scum agenda.

##Vote GlowingBear



This is Xat agreeing with an idea which is not his own, going against a townie, which he had no deep read or strong push. He also doesn't have any list post like I've brought from Guilty Mini Mafia.

(Town game: Guilty Mini Mafia
Scum game: Titanic II)(
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GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
December 22 2014 02:22 GMT
#4784
Sorry about formatting, made it on phone before going to sleep.

Good night.
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Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
December 22 2014 02:24 GMT
#4787
Forgot to say that Xatalos filter length in guilty is 33 pages long and in titanic it's 15
In here it's 13, and it's low considering the posting restriction could be something around 25 pages (5 days x 5 pages of filter each day)

Posting restrictions isn't an excuse.
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GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
December 22 2014 02:25 GMT
#4788
On December 22 2014 11:22 rsoultin wrote:
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On December 22 2014 11:15 GlowingBear wrote:
On December 22 2014 11:09 LightningStrike wrote:
On December 22 2014 11:01 GlowingBear wrote:
LS, can you explain me how did you vote Tubesock if you had a scumread on Templar, and why did you vote with the guy you had a scumread on (considering Templar voted Tubesock all the game long and ended voting on him last day)

I had scum read both tbh with you, To tell you the truth I thought we weren't going to get enough on templar in time so I went with my other scum read which was Tubesock that why my voted swap from Templar to Tubesock.


Poor excuse, Templar was leading the votes if I remember correctly and if it wasn't for Tubesock ridiculous shenannies, he would probably be lynched.


I wanted to see LS' response, too. However, GB, faulty reasoning or not (and I think it had more to do with me calling for the shenannies than anything) if there's one ghost in the game, there's probably more than one. LS is less likely to be scum than even FF.


WIFOM. I could say that I'd there are 2 ghosts in the game, there is more likely to be three, and the third hasn't claimed yet.
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GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
December 22 2014 02:25 GMT
#4789
On December 22 2014 11:23 Alakaslam wrote:
##Vote: TheTemplar

Stay the course you fools. Wrong on 27nb, wrong on Tubesock. I would think you would listen to me.

Xata

Is

A

Question mark


It's impossible to listen to you when you're this detached from the game.
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GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
December 22 2014 02:27 GMT
#4790
HOLA MUCHACHO TIENES UN META CASE PARA DESVENDAR!
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GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
December 22 2014 02:32 GMT
#4793
On December 22 2014 11:30 Alakaslam wrote:
Lol

Well, detached or not I have been right twice


Well, I've being right on my townreads, also.
I also didn't see anything particular scummy on NB but was to busy to follow the game at the time
And I'm saying Xatalos is mafia

Ta-daaaa!
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GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
December 22 2014 02:35 GMT
#4795
Oh you speak Portuguese??

I can't understand how you're reevaluating your read on me, doubting holyflare's towniness because he isn't active, thinking my meta case is decent, but still believing Templar is the best lynch.
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GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
December 22 2014 10:40 GMT
#4832
On December 22 2014 11:48 Alakaslam wrote:
Templar best lynch! Look

We need to stay the course

Xata maybe tomorrow? Too much question mark

Templar was active early

Then started to lurk late

Then returned only when pressured

Templar is not town


You can say the same about HF.
Why are you not going against him again?
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GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
December 22 2014 15:20 GMT
#4842
On December 22 2014 22:15 Half the Sky wrote:
SL, I did not actually town read Tube. He was all over the place, but I was going to give him more time before concluding anything on him. Also at that time, I felt more strongly about others and focused on them/reviewed cases.

At EoD, we did not have enough votes for GB, so we consolidated. But when we consolidated on Templar, Rasputin had second thoughts about Templar, given how easily the wagon piled up. At the time, it made sense given the 27NB wagon D1, and not wanting a repeat of that, second-guessed myself which is why I got my vote off Templar. Tube had not posted in awhile, and that's why the decision was made.


This is horrible excuse. You're deflecting responsibility to rsoultin, and you're saying that the wagon on templar was built fast. If it was built that fast on Templar, what to say about the wagon on tube? Light speed?
This is EXACTLY what I said about the wagon on Tubesock. Exactly. And you didn't back up. Why this double standards?
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GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
December 22 2014 15:33 GMT
#4843
On December 22 2014 23:20 rsoultin wrote:
...I actually agree with GB and lian on HF. Why do I agree with GB and lian on HF?

- He has an excuse for everything. Literally. Everything. Keep telling the teacher your dog ate your hw, dude.
- His push against bunnies (and I know most of you sheeped it) was not a strong push. It was a Day 1 push and could have been by a town, true, and most of town agreed with him, but it all started with a list post? And cause she posted some fluff? There was no reason for that wagon to be as crazy strong as it was.
- His other case was against...Templar. Look at his case. Reread it. Read my critique on it. He is clearly misrepresenting some of the facts, which at best says that case was haphazard, and at worst that he was doing it intentionally. And tell me what Templar has really done other than lurk. Tell me that isn't a policy lynch.
- Most of his filter is him screaming at people for scumreading him and going on about how he is going to win this game. Rofl. Seriously? For those of you who have played with him before, is this your great town leader? Bunnies and Templar and rage!fitting? What has he contributed to the scum lynches we actually got? KSC he had nothing to do with, ritoky he barely pushed at all. I haven't played with him before. Maybe he is always hot air. But that doesn't explain those of you saying he's an amazing player...
- Look at when his activity slacked off. It's been almost 48 hours since his last posts when he promised to start actually playing and bringing reads. Do you see any? And why has his activity slacked off? Oh, sure, it may be Xmas...

OR IT MAY JUST BE BECAUSE THIS IS THE FIRST DAY THAT HE IS NOT BEING PUSHED FOR LYNCH SINCE DAY 2

I wanted a scumread on him before I pushed him. I now have it. Do what y'all want, but to me, this is better than an oh, Templar hasn't really been playing push.

##vote HF


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GOD FINALLY SHED LIGHT INTO THE PIT OF DARKNESS
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GlowingBear
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Brazil12446 Posts
December 22 2014 15:41 GMT
#4844
Xata, golden sun was a game with conversion mechanics, if I remember correctly. If you think it was unfair to get the guilty Minimafia ( that's the game I had in mind, that's why I've brought it), it is unfair to defend yourself with a game with conversion mechanics.

Nonetheless, what I said remains correct. You're still too busy defending yourself than actually putting your thoughts on the thread and actively scumhunting.
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