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On December 18 2014 16:48 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On December 18 2014 10:07 Oatsmaster wrote:On December 18 2014 10:02 sicklucker wrote:
Gb can still be mafia. But hes so less likely and he correctly explain why hf is mafia. your on my mafia radar now the line in the sand has been drawn. Hf basicly claimed by not telling us who he sent the present to if you didnt read the thread. tmi. Actually its super silly for holyflare to fakeclaim really badly. Hes better than that. Sadly. Really bad as scum Extremely bad as town It's ridiculous how many inconsistencies I've found on holyflare's gameplay. He's not one to drown on such fallacies and misinterpretations of posts. It sounds mafia. It makes perfect sense that HF is the roleblocker therefore they lynched KSC. Obi obviously did shot LoneMeow. If you can't see this, you're really stupid. Town holyflare has no problem in saying to whom he gave the present, because this guy already doesn't have the present l, so it's safe to claim to whom he has given it. He doesn't say because he will incriminate another mafia if he says or the townie will say he never got the present. This is a simple scum claim. If you doubt it, just ask to HF to whom he gave the present. If he refuses to say, ask why. He won't give you a satisfactory reason, I guarantee. Also, have this in mind: if he sent his present to someone, how does he knows this person have this present to FF instead of opening it? How does he knows this person gave the present to FF? Hint: it's because he gave the present to his scum partner and FF not being dead means he is the Godfather. Forget it's me who is saying this. Think of it as a whisper in the dark. Doesn't it makes sense?
its a convoluted mess that takes the assumption that scum!hf claimed to give the present ff for like not fucking reason altogether.
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Its a bad case GB.
Bad bad case.
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On December 18 2014 16:43 Alakaslam wrote:
Oh yeah... Templar
Why is everyone forgetting templar? Because he played early and is lurking late. This is a scum tendency I should know.
"every game" tendency, more like
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Templar ur scum with Oats HF, amirite?
There's this part in ritoky's filter where he calls you out on the fluffy posts, and it sounds entirely different from how he handles his next suspect, plus his next suspect ends up among his scumreads and you don't. Plus there's one point where he questions an OWS townread but not a townread on you.
Additionally you've been a N1 kill in every game I was in and have bled townie every time from the start.
Sorry broski but this is ggnore.
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lynch him guys cmon
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On December 18 2014 18:04 Vivax wrote:
Templar ur scum with Oats HF, amirite?
There's this part in ritoky's filter where he calls you out on the fluffy posts, and it sounds entirely different from how he handles his next suspect, plus his next suspect ends up among his scumreads and you don't. Plus there's one point where he questions an OWS townread but not a townread on you.
Additionally you've been a N1 kill in every game I was in and have bled townie every time from the start.
Sorry broski but this is ggnore.
I'm pretty sure you did exactly the same thing.
On December 14 2014 15:07 Vivax wrote:
Also Templar is mafia.
Like super mafia.
This post was followed by nearly 0 mention of me, for about 48-60 hours I believe. The only difference is that you quietly listed me on your scum list about 24 hours ago.
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On December 18 2014 18:11 The_Templar wrote:Show nested quote +On December 18 2014 18:04 Vivax wrote:
Templar ur scum with Oats HF, amirite?
There's this part in ritoky's filter where he calls you out on the fluffy posts, and it sounds entirely different from how he handles his next suspect, plus his next suspect ends up among his scumreads and you don't. Plus there's one point where he questions an OWS townread but not a townread on you.
Additionally you've been a N1 kill in every game I was in and have bled townie every time from the start.
Sorry broski but this is ggnore. I'm pretty sure you did exactly the same thing. Show nested quote +On December 14 2014 15:07 Vivax wrote:
Also Templar is mafia.
Like super mafia. This post was followed by nearly 0 mention of me, for about 48-60 hours I believe. The only difference is that you quietly listed me on your scum list about 24 hours ago.
ebwop: Not exactly the same thing but something very similar.
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Me and vivax have the same top 3 scum. This is not a coincidence. Put the pressure on them boys. Also vote hf....
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On December 18 2014 18:11 The_Templar wrote:Show nested quote +On December 18 2014 18:04 Vivax wrote:
Templar ur scum with Oats HF, amirite?
There's this part in ritoky's filter where he calls you out on the fluffy posts, and it sounds entirely different from how he handles his next suspect, plus his next suspect ends up among his scumreads and you don't. Plus there's one point where he questions an OWS townread but not a townread on you.
Additionally you've been a N1 kill in every game I was in and have bled townie every time from the start.
Sorry broski but this is ggnore. I'm pretty sure you did exactly the same thing. Show nested quote +On December 14 2014 15:07 Vivax wrote:
Also Templar is mafia.
Like super mafia. This post was followed by nearly 0 mention of me, for about 48-60 hours I believe. The only difference is that you quietly listed me on your scum list about 24 hours ago.
I've been quietly listing you as scum since D2, you will find me mentioning you previous to that post you quoted, I just mentioned it again in the post you quoted since I believe it was at a point where you talked about something that wasn't really scumhunting, so I saw it, got that feeling, and wrote it down.
Besides, I'm talking about flipped scum pretending to suspect you at one point, whereas I intend to follow through with my suspicion and lynch you once we get past HF.
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On December 18 2014 16:57 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On December 18 2014 16:54 GlowingBear wrote:
Remember that the present thing is not about FAKE claiming: it's about that a scum wouldn't give a present to a town unless he was going to shoot him.
So holyflare sent it to a scum partner because he will be caught on a lie of he says he sent it to a townie and he will incriminate a mafia partner if he gets lybched and flip red.
Again, it's simple logic. So why would scum holyflare be so bad at claiming?
Why town holyflare would be so bad at claiming?
The argument that holyflare is better than this is bullshitty.
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On December 15 2014 22:23 Holyflare wrote:Ok well I read templar and I'm really not enthused. He spent all of day 2 not particularly doing anything (i also noticed he said he liked kelsier but also gave the caveat that he hadn't really read the thread at all) and gave no input into literally any of the wagons at all. He was so heavily focused on Tubesock and all of his posts but never really with anything else at all. For someone who read the thread he just jumped onto my wagon with ease based on not even gb's case but a small post gb made. If he hasn't been reading the thread he shouldn't know whether any of the case is true or not and if he did read the thread he'd know it wasn't. He also never bothered to read me at all, never bothered to even check anything about anyone but instead only attacked tubesock for voting on mafia instead of his main read which is so fucking irrelevant when the lynch was between me/ff/kelsier that i find it hard to believe he even cares who he is voting as long as it isn't kelsier. It's really scummy that he has no real thoughts of his own and was quite happy to sheep onto a mislynch with no real work behind anything other than going after tube. Show nested quote +Tubesock, you crazy.
I said that reading me as town after those santa fluff posts was bad unless you had reasoning. I saw NB was worse than Kelsier so I switched to her. It's also super outrageous that templar says this and then the post he sheeped gb on and agreed with to vote me was saying that i had no reason to be on nb His filter is also littered with useless comments like when froggy returns with a list post he just ignored any of the content in it and instead just asked an irrelevant "what do you think about x" question This dude is super scummy.
Now that we know kelsier flipped mafia, adding to this case are things like his initial rng located here:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/472628-tl-mafia-lxix-carol-of-the-bells?page=14#270
Now, people that post rng post it in order to stick with it either in a joking way and get discussion going or in a serious manner and stick to it like glue because they are retarded (bh). Templar, after rnging it in the most suspicious way possible (not doing the division mechanics in any pre-determined way) picks out kelsier. Now, in my opinion kelsier had done crazy suspicious things like calling people town based on no meta to counter the read and also calling bats town after bats read has been proven false (as I pointed out and trfel copied for his ultimate case to lynch mafia), yet, as I was pushing ninjabunnies at the time over that read templar returned with the fluffiest post of all time:
Going back, Kelsier had led a noble-looking life for some time. As a devout Starcraft fan, he had followed many tournaments in 2013, even helping cover them through live reports. Santa knew many children that were overjoyed by that, as Kelsier had lifted immense pressure off of a few of them. Even recently, he still watched and waxed eloquent about the game, and could be considered passionate by many peoples' standards.
What had Kelsier really done wrong?
##Unvote
He never mentions ANY actual in game content about ANYONE other than they are lurkers/using posts badly:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/472628-tl-mafia-lxix-carol-of-the-bells?page=18#351
After literally a wealth of information and posts on the 3 subjects, kelsier/bunnies and froggy he instead decides to say absolutely nothing about any of them. Kelsier isn't mentioned for content at all, froggy is mentioned for being a hypocrite with no opinion on the matter and then he unvotes kelsier to sheep onto the ninjabunnies wagon not because she was contradictory, had her top scum read or w/e in her scum list bla bla. Only because she had spent some posts talking about clothes and used 12 of 80 posts on this. You could argue this was just at the start of the posting spree on bunnies but he returned later and had an equally useless post about his top scum read:
On the sleigh ride, Santa had read this post very carefully. Ninjabunnies, along with many other people, had created her own list of who she expected to receive Christmas presents, and who would receive coal. What position was she in to determine this? Why should she do this? Santa supposed that it was a vital component of the argument taking place and that she was taking steps to ensure she was as or less likely to be placed on the naughty list compared to anyone else. Santa was not convinced, however. Why did she think these people were on the naughty list? Why had she bothered to defend the froggy one when she was going to label him Naughty for the same reason?
he STILL mentions none of the arguments but only scum reads her based on the fact she wasted some posts and posted a list????? His reads are SO surface level it's actually ridiculous. He's also busy pointing out people that are red claiming (is alakaslam a snowman? http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/472628-tl-mafia-lxix-carol-of-the-bells?page=20#400 etc) His posts are specifically intended to look like contribution, by way of length, but are instead just multiple waves of nonsense that doesn't make anyone scum and he's refused to even take part in the discussions.
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kitaman27
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kushm4sta
sicklucker
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his list is also pretty weird. He's like totally ignored everyone that is posting about the bunnies lynch apart from vivax (mainly me) yet posting similar things about her and has this weird list that comes out of nowhere. I'm also not ignoring the fact that he called bunnies scum for having a list of reads but then made this list, I'm also not going to ignore the fact that he calls bunnies mafia for wasting posts but doesn't even mention slams spamming slew of posts as indicative at all. Double standards are crazy and scummy. He's ignored everything that made kelsier scummy in this respect too and actually bolded him based on...? Nobody will ever know at this point because all he talked about in regards to kelsier is that he liked to write about starcraft.
The rest of his day 1 was a LOT of afking and then one of those "catch up with absolutely everything in the game" posts, yet this catch up specifically said absolutely nothing and made no conclusions whatsoever it was comment on post by post. He maintained that ninjabunnies WAS scummy and being pushed for good reasons yet, later in the game said I fell off halfway through day 1 and had no reason to be on bunnies:
Tubesock, you crazy.
I said that reading me as town after those santa fluff posts was bad unless you had reasoning. I saw NB was worse than Kelsier so I switched to her.
He then AGREED with gb's case which stated that I had no proper reason to be on ninjabunnies because the points didn't make her mafia and that he DISAGREED with the other half of this case because he didn't know where I said any of the stuff gb was mentioning (which later turns out gb pulled out of his arse).
On December 13 2014 05:59 The_Templar wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2014 05:46 GlowingBear wrote:
Templar, thoughts on my brief case on HF. Show nested quote +On December 13 2014 05:28 GlowingBear wrote:
HF doesn't look like he is pushin town agenda, but his own self agenda. This looks much more like mafia holyflare. He points out things that aren't really mafiaish and doesn't seem to try to further identify people's alignment. His pushes aren't for solving the game. They are mostly done just to push, just to make a lynch happen, maybe.
His backtracking on froggy is weird because he kept an absolute stance regarding bunnies, who I just say sounded more null than anything, and froggy is leaning scum.
HF once came to the thread and said that we should look for people outside the NB wagon, which is ridiculous. He wasn't talking about people who WASTED their votes. He was talking about people outside the main wagon. He also said me and ritoky looked the worst. You can see he is doing a timid push on ritoky, but it really doesn't sound like he is trying to figure out his alignment. Weirdly enough, the present claim from ritoky remained unquestioned by HF. MOREOVER, he did not make ANY attempt to figure out my alignment when he said I looked bad at that time.
He is scum. Bolded: where did he say that? Otherwise I agree with this case. HF looks worse than he did halfway through day 1
He is literally saying he agrees with gb's case that I didn't have very good reasons to be on bunnies after he was also on bunnies (with like 0 reasons???) Yet then when it starts to pick up some more, he starts saying he agrees with everything GB is saying on me. (I don't have to reiterate that following this case is ABSOLUTELY TERRIBLE if you had actually read it and fact checked it because I have destroyed this case multiple times and GB HAS STILL NOT SAID ANYTHING ABOUT MY DEFENCE 3 DAYS LATER -.- -.- -.- -.- -.-).
Currently, the naughty list is Ninjabunnies, GB, and LightningStrike from what I've seen.
It's also quite odd that if he sees that half the case is what he's guilty of and the other half doesn't make any sense and he was previously scum reading gb the night before that he'd just go full on sheep mode and say "great case".
He also has contradictory self meta whenever people call him out on it:
On December 13 2014 22:54 The_Templar wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2014 12:25 Vivax wrote:
Tentative naughty list, it would be cool if we could lynch one of these baddies today:
- GB for this discrepancy in his case. The froggynoddy suspicion is entirely new and he doesn't look included among his scumspects. Rather fresh scumread stemming from that HF case, still have to look for more stuff thoroughly.
- TheTemplar for not being the ballsy, (scumhuntingly) talkative town templar who always gets townread D1 and mostly NKd N1. Gut based explanation, check for inconsistencies also pending here (yes I'm not going through as many filters thoroughly as I probably should yet, besides we can't lynch all of em today so I think it's fine)
- Fecalfeast for some of the stuff I found in his filter and already mentioned, plus he martyrs at various points, like during N1 and lately when he sort of expressed he doesn't care about the scumreads. But it's not the sort of righteous townie martyr when somebody is genuinely pissed off about people scumreading him or the sort, it's more like the "I don't care about the game"- martyr. Additionally he was in the focus of the night killed guys.
- Trfel for playing extremely subpar to his last game when he's capable of much much more. He doesn't want to stand in the spotlight in this game.
There's probably 5 scum since the formula for scummers is usually amount of players / 5. I don't know why people go on so much about tubesock claiming there's 5 scum being a scumslip. Scumslips are overrated in all the games I've played in save very few exceptions. Overall I find him tedious to read cause he has such a weird way of expressing himself, if I would give him a read it certainly wouldn't be cause of that.
Finding the likely 5th scum pending. Tempted to look into the direction of Oats, soultin, Kelsier for this one. I will admit that I'm not playing like either my town or scum meta. When I'm mafia, I tend to lurk a lot and try to have reads on everyone to look like I'm trying to solve the game.Sorry I'm being inactive, stuff that happened during day 1 broke my spirit in general.
Here he says he would be crazy lurking normally as mafia and putting out reads. Yet, later, when pressure is building on him he changed it to:
On December 17 2014 07:33 The_Templar wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2014 07:17 froggynoddy wrote:
Templar, slam and perhaps Oats are scummy lurkers rather than simply AFK/ town lurkers for reasons previously disclosed.
I'm not a scummy lurker because, as scum, I will always: 1. Post as much as possible, at all hours of the day in order to make myself look active. 2. Post my 'thoughts' on every player, so that I'm not clearly ignoring someone. 3. Make ridiculously long posts to justify an opinion 4. Change my behavior as soon as someone mentions it is scummy. Regarding Vivax, he seems to have a new list of scum reads every day and it's concerning me.
being really active, posting all the time, with long drawn out posts of justification. He seems to have multiple metas thought out for all the occasions!
There's also these random tidbits on throwing accusations on vivax:
On December 17 2014 00:44 The_Templar wrote:
I can see Vivax and ritoky. Wanna explain the other two?
On December 18 2014 18:11 The_Templar wrote:Show nested quote +On December 18 2014 18:04 Vivax wrote:
Templar ur scum with Oats HF, amirite?
There's this part in ritoky's filter where he calls you out on the fluffy posts, and it sounds entirely different from how he handles his next suspect, plus his next suspect ends up among his scumreads and you don't. Plus there's one point where he questions an OWS townread but not a townread on you.
Additionally you've been a N1 kill in every game I was in and have bled townie every time from the start.
Sorry broski but this is ggnore. I'm pretty sure you did exactly the same thing. Show nested quote +On December 14 2014 15:07 Vivax wrote:
Also Templar is mafia.
Like super mafia. This post was followed by nearly 0 mention of me, for about 48-60 hours I believe. The only difference is that you quietly listed me on your scum list about 24 hours ago.
after saying absolutely nothing about him all game, sheeping his read on xatalos day 1 and vivax having the supposedly same reads as him because they both wanted to lynch me forever. It just looks like he's throwing suspicion everywhere he can.
Then you can just read the above quoted previous case I made in regards to him not giving a shit about who is lynched ever and instead pressuring tubesock EVEN THOUGH HE SAID HE COULDN'T GET HIM LYNCHED. How futile is that?
On December 14 2014 06:54 The_Templar wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2014 06:53 Tubesock wrote:On December 14 2014 06:52 The_Templar wrote:On December 14 2014 06:49 Tubesock wrote:
Templar, you have been on me since the beginning of day 2. AND JUST NOW YOU VOTE OFF ME WHEN I SPAM AND DROP HUGE READS???
Why are you so concerned about this when half the people in this game saw huge walls of text and immediately town read you? You are still mafia in my eyes, don't worry. Then vote me. I'd rather actually be able to lynch a mafia.
Where has this tube thing gone by the way?
On December 18 2014 17:50 The_Templar wrote:
##Vote: HolyFlare
Oh yeh, sheeping dat thread sentiment onto a town lynch again even though there's literally nothing he's said about me, spread suspicion onto vivax for after my flip and gb's case has been dissolved. There's no reason to be on me other than to blend and obtain another mislynch. (They only need 2 to win btw)
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There is pretty little to go on in terms of meta in the database for templar, yet, just looking at the differences between the games, the amount of effort going into his mafia game is far more than here. Yet, so is his town game. This is congruent with what he is saying part way through the game at least. However, there's a difference in his posting styles. As town you see posts like these ones on page 4:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/465384-mission-mini-mafia?user=The_Templar&page=4
he seems like he's chasing up his reads, finding inconsistencies in people's posting and making sure people know it. It's not the matter of appearing to have a read on everyone, it looks like he's trying to get people to notice things that make people mafia.
Whereas in his mafia game here:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/450895-newbie-mini-mafia-lvi?user=The_Templar&page=4
You see things where he is posting reads like "i agree with this", "your posts are pretty null" and yes, you can say he has long posts as mafia too for instance here:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/450895-newbie-mini-mafia-lvi?page=20#382
that look the same but when you read the actual content he isn't finding the inconsistencies within the people's posts he's instead going very surface level and just saying that he disagrees with things and that this is how they'd act in video mafia etc etc. There's no real game logic involved.
Now when you tie his meta together with this game you can see the same things. I stated earlier that all his reads were "surface level", they weren't congruent with his original thoughts. He doesn't read things properly or even bother to CHECK whether there are inconsistencies at all. You can literally see this where he disagrees with half of gb's case on me (and agrees with something that he is far more guilty of) but never follows up to see whether there was an inconsistency with what gb was saying or not, especially as he scum read GB the last day and town read me. In fact other people were left to do this and he didn't give a shit and went after tube who is no longer anywhere in his reads at all.
##vote the_templar
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By the way, half the sky looks completely bad. I remember having a town read on her based on how she came effortful and trying to figure out the game on her newbie game, but it is completely different here.
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Holyflare's case on Templar is good, by the way
It's a shame I have such strong scumread on you
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GlowingBear (3): LightningStrike, rsoultin, Alakaslam, LightningStrike, Half the Sky
Holyflare (6): sicklucker, LightningStrike, liancourt, Vivax, Alakaslam, The_Templar, GlowingBear
The_Templar (1): Holyflare
Currently Holyflare is set to be lynched. Ages until deadline.
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I'd rather see a case for HF being town rather than Templar being scum cause the obvious comes last.
I don't need convincing on Templar I need convincing on why HF is a worse lynch than him today when we have the evidence that Kelsier was voted over HF, which was the point the NightKill bats kept harping on.
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On December 18 2014 22:35 GlowingBear wrote:
Holyflare's case on Templar is good, by the way
It's a shame I have such strong scumread on you
Yes well you're as awful as ever or are mafia and I'm leaning the latter, quite heavily. If you aren't mafia then you'll be getting lynched next cycle after I flip and would have singlehandedly lost the entire game because you're too stubborn to realise you are wrong.
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On December 18 2014 22:42 Vivax wrote:
I'd rather see a case for HF being town rather than Templar being scum cause the obvious comes last.
I don't need convincing on Templar I need convincing on why HF is a worse lynch than him today when we have the evidence that Kelsier was voted over HF, which was the point the NightKill bats kept harping on.
On December 16 2014 08:55 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2014 08:45 batsnacks wrote:On December 16 2014 08:44 Holyflare wrote:On December 16 2014 08:41 batsnacks wrote:On December 16 2014 08:38 Holyflare wrote:On December 16 2014 08:33 batsnacks wrote:On December 16 2014 08:28 Holyflare wrote:On December 16 2014 08:22 batsnacks wrote:On December 16 2014 08:12 Holyflare wrote:On December 16 2014 08:06 batsnacks wrote:
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Yeah he did describe trfel's kelsier case as a "slam dunk" which if he's mafia is a very strange decision considering your and his interaction at the start of the day. He had every reason to vote you... but didn't.
Which... I think that actually makes you look way worse. Like I said before given the choice between afk/hospital KSC and not afk/hospital HF, the choice is obvious. I would bus kelsier 10/10 times if that case was made and he was afk. I imagine most people would too. It doesn't matter if i look worse or not. It doesn't change my alignment. Judge me on what I do and not what yoi think mafia ritoky would be thinking at that random point in time. If you think I'm mafia because I'm playing badly and whatever then fine, you're wrong but i won't hate you for it, I'm playing pretty damn suboptimally but the fact of the matter is i called out this fucker yesterday, pushed him non-stop got berated by ALL OF YOU saying it doesn't make ritoky mafia and that we should let him live with a fucking present or whatever when actually I was right and it was by far the right play to just shoot him when i asked obi to n1. You were afk at the end of d2, when the case was made, so there wasn't an opportunity for you to bus him based on that case. And I'm not judging you based on what mafia ritoky would be thinking, I am judging you based on what mafia KSC and what mafia ritoky actually did. I don't think you're playing badly not sure why you'd even say that. I don't think anyone this game, aside from SL, has said you were playing badly and who cares if he thinks that anyway? and you pushing one of your scum buddies is not hard to believe, especially if you thought they were playing suboptimally, which, I think ritoky was playing sub-optimally with all his "presents" stuff as it got him killed. I'm not talking about what i would do. I implied that if i was mafia and saw that case then i would think my team mate would die 100% of the time, especially as loads of people switched at the time and then just bus him. Gb comes along and says rah rah my case is awesome but at that point people had already pointed out the multiple holes in his case and ritoky was one of them and couldn't join the anti mafia train. I am playing badly if I'm even up for consideration of being lynched. Let's just ignore everything but two facts for the purposes of this post: KSC, who was confirmed mafia, did not switch his vote to you despite being in the thread and posting at eod d2. ritoky, who I think is pretty obviously mafia, also did not switch his vote to you despite scum reading you for half the day. None of that has anything to do with how well you played. Both of those things make you scummy. So no, I don't think you're playing badly if you're a probable lynch target. I definitely never said you were playing badly. I never meant to imply it. It's not part of my message. Ritoky calls me a ? And he doesn't like ppl on my wagon before it even got that close so if he switches he outs himself as mafia when kelsier gets lynched today because i flipped town. Then kelsier dies AND ritoky dies. Or Bus team mate dying and get sweet sweet town cred. I think it's pretty obvious. ritoky is dying because of a very simple mistake. If I wasn't paying very careful attention to the rules, today would have looked a lot different. I probably would not have kept my vote on ritoky if I didn't -know- he lied. Yes because he fucking picked option 2??? That's literally exactly what I'm saying here as reasons for not switching. This game would look much more different if 2 people switched to me RIGHT at deadline after calling me town all game and also saying his scummy people were on my wagon and I was a? Compared to a slam dunk. That's like giving yourself away Are you trying to say that ritoky was calling you town all game? I'm not like patronizing or whatever but is that actually what you're saying? Please just learn to read. Ritoky bobbing along and sees a case that will get his team mate lynched like 90% of the time. Ritoky prepares to bus and says the case is a slam dunk. Ritoky sees people start to critique gb's case at this point in time saying it's not very good etc etc and sees that 3 people he has pushed as mafia that day are on that wagon, he sees that and prepares to give reasons why he'd not be on a town lynch aka avoiding suspicion. If he started to jump on MY wagon and i flipped town the people would look at the voters on me and instantly see that he jumped on a wagon with all his scum reads and ignored all the critiques of gb's case while calling out kelsier as mafia. That is so obviously scummy that he would try to avoid that at all costs. Especially as the vote between me and kelsier wasn't even close until near the deadline. So he leaves his options open. He doesn't actually call me town he critiques gbs case and leaves it open ended so he can still scum read me at a later date when he wouldn't draw as much suspicion to himself because everyone is just lynching me. If he did switch last minute as soon as i flipped town people would be all over a kelsier wagon today and he'd flip scum and ritoky would look absolutely terrible for switching off someone like kelsier onto town me after saying kelsier was a slam dunk. You keep thinking like the votes were always 8-7 when they weren't at all.
You're also assuming I'm mafia but didn't jump onto the wagon or try and stop my lynch at all for no reason. It would be quite evident after I flipped that it would be "holyflare posted all these things before he left and this wagon just came out when he couldn't defend himself, these people look terrible!"
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