EPTSides, I thought you said I was mafia just a couple posts ago. Change your mind again?
Also@lian
Why don't you explain your reads to us, then, so we can be as certain as you? If you feel that strongly you should be able to make a good case.
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rsoultin
Netherlands15308 Posts
Sides, I thought you said I was mafia just a couple posts ago. Change your mind again? Also@lian Why don't you explain your reads to us, then, so we can be as certain as you? If you feel that strongly you should be able to make a good case. | ||
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Vivax
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On December 18 2014 04:55 froggynoddy wrote: So I have been thinking. I think Mafia had to have the remaining presents as it makes no sense for Rit to guess with a 50% chance of being wrong and leavig yourself vulnerable to a counterclaim. I feel like the only logical play for Ritovky was to claim vig-present to hide a mass-murderer shot and confuse town. This must (you'd think) have been vetted by his scum-buddies. This means that scum should have had both presents as otherwise the risk would be too great. So I guess my question is... how does FF have a present as town? On December 18 2014 05:29 froggynoddy wrote: Guys you are completely missunderstanding what I am saying. It makes very little sense for this present to be a bomb. It makes no sense for Ritovky to even have a present as scum (as he has a shot and cannot use two actions I think - need to check the set-up rules). But what does make sense is that they can safely fake claim opening a vigi present. This must mean (unless they play some sort of risky play as described by HF) that they had control or knowledge of all the presents. Unless they only have 1 present left and that they knew that it was a bomb would they pass that present to a town FF. That situation just does not make sense as I don't think that the vig presnet has been opened (unless scum worked out from their KP that one of the N1 shots must have been a present?? UNlikely). Again I think either FF is scum or they are making a really weird attempt of framing FF... ______________________________________________________________________________________________________ On December 17 2014 08:27 batsnacks wrote: This is exactly I don't trust you guys to lynch HF without me. On December 17 2014 08:33 batsnacks wrote: I want everyone who isn't going to vote HF tomorrow to type and post the following: "I believe that at least two members of the mafia team, given the choice between killing town and killing mafia, chose to kill mafia." | ||
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rsoultin
Netherlands15308 Posts
Are you saying you agree with their statements, disagree or are you suggesting that they were night killed for them? Analysis please. | ||
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liancourt
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On December 18 2014 13:04 rsoultin wrote: Neither you nor GB have bothered to actually defend him/disprove my points against him. He just says we're all stupid, lian screams at us to change our votes and asks why we're cowards (lol) and you just keep pushing the present thing. That might explain why you think HF is scum (a weak reason imo) but it doesn't explain why GB is town, or why HF is the better lynch. -shrugs- Sides, I thought you said I was mafia just a couple posts ago. Change your mind again? Also@lian Why don't you explain your reads to us, then, so we can be as certain as you? If you feel that strongly you should be able to make a good case. have u been not reading? i've been saying hf is mafia after day 2 ended | ||
Fecalfeast
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rsoultin
Netherlands15308 Posts
On December 18 2014 13:22 liancourt wrote: have u been not reading? i've been saying hf is mafia after day 2 ended Yes, you have been saying to kill HF. That is not an explanation. The only explanations I remember you giving were that you had no clue what to do so you needed to know his alignment (Day 3) and we should kill him because ritoky voted for KSC (Night 3). That is not a case. One is being uncertain (why would I follow uncertainty?) and the other is WIFOM. Now, please. Your read. I am not an a=a type of person. You can't convince me that HF is mafia simply by saying that he is, any more than GB can convince me he is town just by saying that he is, or that he didn't read my case because he is town so it can't be true. My case was mostly stating facts and quoting, with actual analysis in red. I left it to others to determine if they thought those points were as scummy as I did. Your read, lian. Unless you don't feel strongly enough about your vote to make one. | ||
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Vivax
22420 Posts
On December 18 2014 13:24 Fecalfeast wrote: There is some crazy WIFOM in those night kills and its hurting my brain The wifom isnt crazy, you either believe they got killed for what they said or cause scum wants us to believe what they said. If you ever played scum you should know it's almost always for the first reason, so not as wifomy as you make it to be. I'm voting HF. | ||
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Fecalfeast
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rsoultin
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On December 18 2014 13:32 Vivax wrote: The wifom isnt crazy, you either believe they got killed for what they said or cause scum wants us to believe what they said. If you ever played scum you should know it's almost always for the first reason, so not as wifomy as you make it to be. I'm voting HF. Well, that answers my question to you, that you didn't bother to answer directly. You may as well have added SL's post as a quote to the bottom of your others. Here's another question for you: Do you always scumhunt by analyzing what nightkills say, and how has that worked out for you if that's the case? You did this on Day 2 as well with FF. At least within this thread, that's a pattern, but I don't know if that's your meta or not. So I'm inclined to think you believe it...even though I'm not completely sure as to why. Do you still believe FF is scum based on the kills from Night 1? The time I got night-killed last game, I was scumreading two townies xP So at least it can be said that nightkills aren't always based on what the player is saying (as well as the fact that I'm not always right). (Also find it very interesting when players start ignoring me when I ask them questions. Is that because you don't know how to respond? Or am I just scary? -growls-) | ||
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Alakaslam
United States17336 Posts
##not a ninja, but a fool! | ||
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LightningStrike
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rsoultin
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However, if y'all want to analyze night kills and probably walk right into a mislynch, that is certainly your prerogative. I cannot stop any of you. | ||
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rsoultin
Netherlands15308 Posts
On December 18 2014 13:45 LightningStrike wrote: If HF flips town you will call me and rsoultin scum for not pushing the majority lynch when we having our heads held high on a really solid case. Sorry about earlier rsoultin but I had to convence sicklucker I did town read him. No worries, LS. I actually don't take it personally when people vote/think differently than I do lol. I don't think voting based off nightkills is a good idea, it's true, but I wouldn't hate you even if you didn't change your vote back. | ||
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Vivax
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On December 18 2014 13:39 rsoultin wrote: Well, that answers my question to you, that you didn't bother to answer directly. You may as well have added SL's post as a quote to the bottom of your others. Here's another question for you: Do you always scumhunt by analyzing what nightkills say, and how has that worked out for you if that's the case? You did this on Day 2 as well with FF. At least within this thread, that's a pattern, but I don't know if that's your meta or not. So I'm inclined to think you believe it...even though I'm not completely sure as to why. Do you still believe FF is scum based on the kills from Night 1? The time I got night-killed last game, I was scumreading two townies xP So at least it can be said that nightkills aren't always based on what the player is saying (as well as the fact that I'm not always right). (Also find it very interesting when players start ignoring me when I ask them questions. Is that because you don't know how to respond? Or am I just scary? -growls-) Yes I look at what the NKs said most of the times. It's the one part of the day where you can try to see the game through the eyes of scum. Especially when you can assume it wasn't a bluesnipe. FF has a green check so I'm not lynching him until we lynched all the other amount of scum and know for sure that a godfather didn't flip. As for your questions, I didn't look at them yet. I just looked at the flips, read what the NKs wrote and posted it in the thread, I'm not always fully caught up. But I guess they're answered now? | ||
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Half the Sky
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Not going to beat a dead horse, but given a choice between a solid case and an absurd amount of WIFOM, that, I think I'll take the case on solid ground. I used the same crosschecking methods on it as I did Trfel's, for what it's worth. As far as I can tell I don't see an updated case on HF that would make me reconsider. If I'm wrong, I will take responsibility accordingly. ##Vote Glowbear | ||
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rsoultin
Netherlands15308 Posts
Like I said, it's a pattern at least within this game, so I'm inclined to think you do believe analyzing nightkills is a good way to play this game (even if I don't agree). I can see where you get your ideas from. (They're just so obvious that I feel it's very unlikely that scum wouldn't recognize how obvious it is, which is WIFOM regardless, this would mafia play this stupid or not train of thought, which is why I try to avoid it.) But I can see where you get your ideas from. Will you at least entertain mine? | ||
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sicklucker
Canada16987 Posts
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rsoultin
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On December 18 2014 13:58 sicklucker wrote: Wow hts is scum. There is a good case wtf are you guys talking about. Im not wasting my post to say it when me and gb have posted the same case. hint hint HE WONT TELL US WHO HE SENT THE PRESENT TOO SO THEY CANT CC HIM That is not a case. That is speculation about a present. If I never hear the word "present" from you again, it will be none too soon -_- You're trying to tell me that this one thing trumps everything else? Are you kidding me right now? Where's your analysis of my case and why it's wrong? Where's the rest of your case? Do you have any other reads at all? And why are you calling this auto when it's clearly not? | ||
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