EPTOn December 17 2014 11:17 GlowingBear wrote:
HOLYFLARE, YOU GAVE THE PRESENT TO WHO?
Answer this or you're going to get lynched tomorrow, I guarantee.
Argh it's too hard to stop posting
HOLYFLARE, YOU GAVE THE PRESENT TO WHO?
Answer this or you're going to get lynched tomorrow, I guarantee.
Argh it's too hard to stop posting
On December 17 2014 11:38 GlowingBear wrote:
If FF has got the present from holyflare, I want to know who gave the present to him.
Who was it?
I'm making a fucking ton of sense and any townie can clearly see my stream of thoughts.
If FF has got the present from holyflare, I want to know who gave the present to him.
Who was it?
I'm making a fucking ton of sense and any townie can clearly see my stream of thoughts.
On December 17 2014 11:52 GlowingBear wrote:
If he has got the present day3, the person was still alive day2.
I the person was still alive day2, if it wasn't Kelsier who gave the present to HF, it was either obi or Trfel.
Considering Trfel ended up voting HF and obi wasn't sure about HF, they probably didn't send him the present.
My question continues: who sent the present to holyflare?
If he has got the present day3, the person was still alive day2.
I the person was still alive day2, if it wasn't Kelsier who gave the present to HF, it was either obi or Trfel.
Considering Trfel ended up voting HF and obi wasn't sure about HF, they probably didn't send him the present.
My question continues: who sent the present to holyflare?
On December 18 2014 01:44 GlowingBear wrote:
Bah, if you guys can't see me as town after everything I've wrote, nothing will.
Have in mind that the probability of the Mass Murderer holding his shot day1 is very very low, which means damdred was shot instead of killed by the death present.
This leads to two possibilities:
1) Sicklucker claimed giving the present to Damdred as mafia because he knew that mafia was going to shoot damdred and that he would gain towncred for the giving thing (less likely)
2) As mafia knew sicklucker was dumb enough to claim to who he gave the present, they simply shot the present bearer (more likely)
kushm4sta the Scrooge is dead
Damdred the Joyful Child is dead
Koshi the Disgruntled Retail Worker is dead
Kitaman27 the Disgruntled Retail Worker is dead
Although two disgruntled died, I now find hard to believe they were shot by the banker. Because the guys who were shot are very strong players, and if mafia decided to take a risk to waste a kp on kush, useless player (sorry kush); I don't know what to say. This means there's obviously a Marley. Sigh.
There is no way mafia had perfect two actions on the vigi at the same time without having privileged information. As they couldn't have used a rolecop present, neither have a rolecop power, they knew obi was the vigi because LoneMeow died. That's how obis shot didn't get through. I doubt obi, as the aggressive player he is (not hostile, but aggressive), he wouldn't hold his shot.
This leads to another theory: knowing it was obi the vigilante, they knew they had to roleblock him. With two disgruntled dead, the banker wasn't really a power role anymore, so he could be sacrificed. Which means holyflare is probably the roleblocker. He was kept alive to prevent obis shot. And the mass murderer, with two shots wasted, could be lynched. But nothing better than mislynching. So I reaction tested people into lynching outside the main wagons on day3. Search for people who instantly agreed and pushed hard another lynch.
This is a post who confirms holyflare as mafia:
+ Show Spoiler +
He is omitting the person who he sent the present. There is no town motive to keep it as a secret, because there is nothing that could make mafia kill the one who has no present anymore.
Do you know why he omitted it?
Because if he is mafia and sent the present to a partner;
A) if he lies and says he sent to a townie, the townie will say he never got the present from him
B) if he says it was a mafia partner, if HF is lynched and flips red, he automatically incriminates his partner.
I was waiting to see if Holyflare would answer me so we could have two mafia to kill, but it seems HF is ignoring me (by the time I've made this post).
Now, with holyflare flipping mafia, take a look at rsoultin. He's been discrediting me for no reason, hard defending HF the whole game for no reason either, and he is not doing ANYTHING to get his scumreads lynched.
There is a post from rsoultin in the thread where, when I say I'm going to post part2 on HFs case, he says it wouldn't be necessary. Do you see town motivation behind this phrase? Looking at this post in a vacuum, I can't see a world where town could possibly deny his scumread into giving reads on someone. I can see a world where scum is trying to put down a potential case on his partner.
This is unflipped, so, HF must flip to get this read right.
So, take a look at him. It's very strange the way he is pushing things. But for his effort and high post count, he could be town or very good scum.
Go after liancourt because he was the guy who most draw attention regarding voting someone else outside the ritoky/HF wagon.
I've noted this yesterday, please take a look:
+ Show Spoiler +
Scum hammered KSC because they needed HF to roleblock obi, as they knew obi was the vigi.
Mass murderer lost his last shot which means he was useless and holyflare was more important. Search for people who wanted to lynch other people or ended up on ritoky on the last second. People on HF wagon are probably town. Whoever wanted to lynch HF but decided another person was better and tried to push this other vote is most likely mafia.
In the votecounts, if you can find people wasting their votes on day1, hammering KSC day2 and voting oats day3, the probability of being mafia is huge.
Townreads based solely on feelings and not thinking on objective arguments:
Slam
Tubesock
Rsoultin
SL
(Yes, I KNOW how this sounds contradictory, but it isn't, because I'm talking about gut feelings without consider any objective argument. I'm reading SL and Rsoultin as possible scum considering other arguments and NOT gut feeling).
This is my last post, unfortunately.
(I was waiting to see if HF would post a name, but since he didn't post it until now and people are already saying he won't say, I'm posting it)
Bah, if you guys can't see me as town after everything I've wrote, nothing will.
Have in mind that the probability of the Mass Murderer holding his shot day1 is very very low, which means damdred was shot instead of killed by the death present.
This leads to two possibilities:
1) Sicklucker claimed giving the present to Damdred as mafia because he knew that mafia was going to shoot damdred and that he would gain towncred for the giving thing (less likely)
2) As mafia knew sicklucker was dumb enough to claim to who he gave the present, they simply shot the present bearer (more likely)
kushm4sta the Scrooge is dead
Damdred the Joyful Child is dead
Koshi the Disgruntled Retail Worker is dead
Kitaman27 the Disgruntled Retail Worker is dead
Although two disgruntled died, I now find hard to believe they were shot by the banker. Because the guys who were shot are very strong players, and if mafia decided to take a risk to waste a kp on kush, useless player (sorry kush); I don't know what to say. This means there's obviously a Marley. Sigh.
There is no way mafia had perfect two actions on the vigi at the same time without having privileged information. As they couldn't have used a rolecop present, neither have a rolecop power, they knew obi was the vigi because LoneMeow died. That's how obis shot didn't get through. I doubt obi, as the aggressive player he is (not hostile, but aggressive), he wouldn't hold his shot.
This leads to another theory: knowing it was obi the vigilante, they knew they had to roleblock him. With two disgruntled dead, the banker wasn't really a power role anymore, so he could be sacrificed. Which means holyflare is probably the roleblocker. He was kept alive to prevent obis shot. And the mass murderer, with two shots wasted, could be lynched. But nothing better than mislynching. So I reaction tested people into lynching outside the main wagons on day3. Search for people who instantly agreed and pushed hard another lynch.
This is a post who confirms holyflare as mafia:
+ Show Spoiler +
On December 17 2014 12:01 Holyflare wrote:
I didn't send the present to fecal you tool i got the present n1 and sent it on day 2. That person then sent it to fecal day 3 and here we are with fecal receiving it n3.
I didn't send the present to fecal you tool i got the present n1 and sent it on day 2. That person then sent it to fecal day 3 and here we are with fecal receiving it n3.
He is omitting the person who he sent the present. There is no town motive to keep it as a secret, because there is nothing that could make mafia kill the one who has no present anymore.
Do you know why he omitted it?
Because if he is mafia and sent the present to a partner;
A) if he lies and says he sent to a townie, the townie will say he never got the present from him
B) if he says it was a mafia partner, if HF is lynched and flips red, he automatically incriminates his partner.
I was waiting to see if Holyflare would answer me so we could have two mafia to kill, but it seems HF is ignoring me (by the time I've made this post).
Now, with holyflare flipping mafia, take a look at rsoultin. He's been discrediting me for no reason, hard defending HF the whole game for no reason either, and he is not doing ANYTHING to get his scumreads lynched.
There is a post from rsoultin in the thread where, when I say I'm going to post part2 on HFs case, he says it wouldn't be necessary. Do you see town motivation behind this phrase? Looking at this post in a vacuum, I can't see a world where town could possibly deny his scumread into giving reads on someone. I can see a world where scum is trying to put down a potential case on his partner.
This is unflipped, so, HF must flip to get this read right.
So, take a look at him. It's very strange the way he is pushing things. But for his effort and high post count, he could be town or very good scum.
Go after liancourt because he was the guy who most draw attention regarding voting someone else outside the ritoky/HF wagon.
I've noted this yesterday, please take a look:
+ Show Spoiler +
Scum hammered KSC because they needed HF to roleblock obi, as they knew obi was the vigi.
Mass murderer lost his last shot which means he was useless and holyflare was more important. Search for people who wanted to lynch other people or ended up on ritoky on the last second. People on HF wagon are probably town. Whoever wanted to lynch HF but decided another person was better and tried to push this other vote is most likely mafia.
In the votecounts, if you can find people wasting their votes on day1, hammering KSC day2 and voting oats day3, the probability of being mafia is huge.
Townreads based solely on feelings and not thinking on objective arguments:
Slam
Tubesock
Rsoultin
SL
(Yes, I KNOW how this sounds contradictory, but it isn't, because I'm talking about gut feelings without consider any objective argument. I'm reading SL and Rsoultin as possible scum considering other arguments and NOT gut feeling).
This is my last post, unfortunately.
(I was waiting to see if HF would post a name, but since he didn't post it until now and people are already saying he won't say, I'm posting it)
I came to the same conclusion before I read gb's post Thats how I know gb is town and hf is mafia. When I confronted holyflare at the end of last night he blatantly lied and clearly wanted ff to open the present.
