TL Mafia LXIX: Carol Of The Bells - Page 20

On December 17 2014 11:17 GlowingBear wrote:
HOLYFLARE, YOU GAVE THE PRESENT TO WHO?

Answer this or you're going to get lynched tomorrow, I guarantee.

Argh it's too hard to stop posting

On December 17 2014 11:38 GlowingBear wrote:
If FF has got the present from holyflare, I want to know who gave the present to him.

Who was it?

I'm making a fucking ton of sense and any townie can clearly see my stream of thoughts.

On December 17 2014 11:52 GlowingBear wrote:


If he has got the present day3, the person was still alive day2.
I the person was still alive day2, if it wasn't Kelsier who gave the present to HF, it was either obi or Trfel.

Considering Trfel ended up voting HF and obi wasn't sure about HF, they probably didn't send him the present.

My question continues: who sent the present to holyflare?

On December 18 2014 01:44 GlowingBear wrote:
Bah, if you guys can't see me as town after everything I've wrote, nothing will.
Have in mind that the probability of the Mass Murderer holding his shot day1 is very very low, which means damdred was shot instead of killed by the death present.

This leads to two possibilities:
1) Sicklucker claimed giving the present to Damdred as mafia because he knew that mafia was going to shoot damdred and that he would gain towncred for the giving thing (less likely)
2) As mafia knew sicklucker was dumb enough to claim to who he gave the present, they simply shot the present bearer (more likely)

kushm4sta the Scrooge is dead
Damdred the Joyful Child is dead
Koshi the Disgruntled Retail Worker is dead
Kitaman27 the Disgruntled Retail Worker is dead

Although two disgruntled died, I now find hard to believe they were shot by the banker. Because the guys who were shot are very strong players, and if mafia decided to take a risk to waste a kp on kush, useless player (sorry kush); I don't know what to say. This means there's obviously a Marley. Sigh.

There is no way mafia had perfect two actions on the vigi at the same time without having privileged information. As they couldn't have used a rolecop present, neither have a rolecop power, they knew obi was the vigi because LoneMeow died. That's how obis shot didn't get through. I doubt obi, as the aggressive player he is (not hostile, but aggressive), he wouldn't hold his shot.

This leads to another theory: knowing it was obi the vigilante, they knew they had to roleblock him. With two disgruntled dead, the banker wasn't really a power role anymore, so he could be sacrificed. Which means holyflare is probably the roleblocker. He was kept alive to prevent obis shot. And the mass murderer, with two shots wasted, could be lynched. But nothing better than mislynching. So I reaction tested people into lynching outside the main wagons on day3. Search for people who instantly agreed and pushed hard another lynch.

This is a post who confirms holyflare as mafia:

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He is omitting the person who he sent the present. There is no town motive to keep it as a secret, because there is nothing that could make mafia kill the one who has no present anymore.
Do you know why he omitted it?
Because if he is mafia and sent the present to a partner;
A) if he lies and says he sent to a townie, the townie will say he never got the present from him
B) if he says it was a mafia partner, if HF is lynched and flips red, he automatically incriminates his partner.

I was waiting to see if Holyflare would answer me so we could have two mafia to kill, but it seems HF is ignoring me (by the time I've made this post).

Now, with holyflare flipping mafia, take a look at rsoultin. He's been discrediting me for no reason, hard defending HF the whole game for no reason either, and he is not doing ANYTHING to get his scumreads lynched.
There is a post from rsoultin in the thread where, when I say I'm going to post part2 on HFs case, he says it wouldn't be necessary. Do you see town motivation behind this phrase? Looking at this post in a vacuum, I can't see a world where town could possibly deny his scumread into giving reads on someone. I can see a world where scum is trying to put down a potential case on his partner.
This is unflipped, so, HF must flip to get this read right.

So, take a look at him. It's very strange the way he is pushing things. But for his effort and high post count, he could be town or very good scum.

Go after liancourt because he was the guy who most draw attention regarding voting someone else outside the ritoky/HF wagon.

I've noted this yesterday, please take a look:
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Townreads based solely on feelings and not thinking on objective arguments:
Slam
Tubesock
Rsoultin
SL
(Yes, I KNOW how this sounds contradictory, but it isn't, because I'm talking about gut feelings without consider any objective argument. I'm reading SL and Rsoultin as possible scum considering other arguments and NOT gut feeling).

This is my last post, unfortunately.

(I was waiting to see if HF would post a name, but since he didn't post it until now and people are already saying he won't say, I'm posting it)

On December 19 2014 00:42 Holyflare wrote:
I was under the assumption you'd instantly vote for templar after agreeing with the case. It's what I expect everyone to do, yet I don't really see anyone doing it. Strange (not really because he's mafia).

It's no question on who to vote for you because you just shouldn't give a shit if the cases are that good it's just lynching between 2 mafia.

On December 19 2014 09:32 rsoultin wrote:
the amount of arrogance in this thread is stifling, from whichever quarter or whichever alignment. people talking about others "doing the right thing" and there's only one possible good lynch gets on my nerves -_- there are at least two scumbuckets left. that we can know for sure. so there is not only one possible "correct" lynch.

for instance, vivax bugs me because he comes in complaining about people discussing WIFOM presents, but at the same time bases a good portion of his reads off of WIFOM night kills. i'm not certain if he just doesn't realize that both are equal amounts of scum would/wouldn't do this because it's too stupid/we'd think it's too stupid or not, but the double-standard makes me twitch. then there's his reads, which he seems more than willing to ditch for the first convenient case that comes along, no matter how weak...

which makes me wonder why he'll sheep GB's case on HF and HF's case on Templar but not trfel's case on KSC or my case on GB. Since he has yet to explain his own reasoning for going with others' cases...that seems very suspicious to me. "it sounded good" or "it convinced me" from him, when he's making his own reads, is just squirrely

lian obviously is a big question mark. His reasoning is absolutely non-existent, and he refuses to give any. I also don't trust anyone who seems to be planning out his lynches in advance. even some of the most stubborn here will change a vote as the situation changes, but not him

so no, I don't agree with this "do the right thing" or "you must vote so-and-so" bs. makes me want to kick y'all

On December 19 2014 09:33 Holyflare wrote:
Like the case is so super solid that even if I was mafia I'm handing you a mafia on a plate so you should be jumping on that shit anyway?? He even returned to say the meta was meh and never said anything about any other part of it. If he does claim a role you'll know he's mafia too because he already claimed joyful child. How perfect is that?

Free mafia lynch!

On December 19 2014 10:21 Half the Sky wrote:


Alright, question for not only SL but other vets who've played with HF as scum - basically you lot are saying his strategy to win as scum is 1) bus people as needed and 2) eliminate votes against himself in some way. Am I understanding you correctly? Where are you getting the "free lynch on GB" or do you mean he's going to NK GB?

Also SL, using what you just said, the two people who died, I know Bats wanted to kill HF, but I just went through Froggy's filter, and I don't see any anti-HF sentiment in there. I see twice on page 2 of the filter, he says he wants to lynch GB over HF.

On December 18 2014 08:25 sicklucker wrote:


This is why froggy got lynched btw and why I town read him. What he said is true and means hf is mafia. Also he says he doesint want to vote gb. Gb is clearly mafias mislynch target so killing him is one vote in their favor.

He might be wrong about wrong about some of it but not that mafia has both presents. Me and him both agree with this

Ls please change your vote from gb to holyflare if you think im town. Sheep me

Both nks were votes against holyflare. Both nightkills would not have voted gb. Holyflare is mafia.

On December 19 2014 11:17 Oatsmaster wrote:

hf 2bad2bescum
lian scum
vivax scum
gb not scum
xata scum.

about this for now yeah.

On December 19 2014 11:37 rsoultin wrote:


If I had a present I wouldn't counter-claim, because I'd want to use what was in it without getting shot or RBd. If I had a present I wouldn't really be interested in drawing attention to myself in relation to presents at all. Assuming mafia doesn't have all of them, it's not the worst way to find out where the presents are at and remove that possible threat. So no, I don't agree with your point. Sorry. And you threatening to lynch me after HF (who I believe is town anyway, or at least more likely to be town than a few in this thread) isn't going to sway me. I'm not acting scummy and I'm not afraid of being lynched. -shrugs-

I'm also not much of a sheep. As soon as someone starts throwing around the 100% mafia stuff I tend to tune out because the only possible way to know that for sure is if you're santa and have a blue check or you're scum, in which case I'd be dumb to listen to you anyway.

Also, apologies for the snark. I wrote that before seeing your response.

The "knowing GB is town" thing is a BS answer though. How can you possibly know that, SL? You do realize you've been more or less parroting him all game?