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On December 19 2014 19:25 sicklucker wrote:
Im not too interested in wasting my posts battling you im saving them to convince others close to vote. Ya templars probably scum. But yes you would bus him, this templar thing didnt start until it was very clear you were getting out voted over gb. Then you started this train.
You are claiming a vt who decided not to open a present and help town win.
Theres no wifmo in my case
1. Any vt ever would open this present. Your not a power role theres no reason for you not to take the 1/3 risk to become one its literally the only correct play. You also claim your on vacation and you shouldnt be playing mafia. Another reason you would totally take this risk for town. Your lieing
2. Ritoky claims kp present. He would only ever do this if hes sure he cant be counter claimed. This means mafia has the two remaining presents because we all know I sent one to dandred and he died because of it or with it. This again means your lieing because
3. Ritoky and ksc could kill you over ksc. They choose not to.
4. Bats, obiwan, tref, froggy All thought you were mafia. They are dead
5. We ask you who we sent the present too before ff. You ignore and then refuse to tell us. The reason for this is simple its in mafias hands. If you name a town they will deny it and you will be confirmed mafia. If you ask a mafia to help you out they will be guilty by association therefor it is your only play as mafia.
Like theres more thats just off the top of my head. I would quit this forum if im wrong here. Im that sure.
Vote hf not who he wants you to vote
That's not true at all I made a case on templar YESTERDAY and then ritoky claimed mafia so I made a more convincing one today you're so full of crap!
1. I am not just any vt, I enjoy playing this game and my ego is far too large to give a shit about powers when all I had to do was try and solve the game. You can literally just ask anyone on this site that I would never risk dying over trying to prove how good I am at this game, I care far too much about being right than if I get a kp or check or not.
2. Ritoky claimed opening a present BEFORE YOU EVEN MENTIONED DAMDRED AT ALL. Like literally this is the most bull shit post of all, they can't POSSIBLY have known that damd had a present or not so your point is complete crap! Not to mention if I was mafia and we had all the presents I would
a) never let him claim a present ever???
b) hold onto the presents and not claim them at all and use them to kill people/find red roles!?
Even if mafia had all the presents fecalfeast who i tried to lynch mind you (and ritoky i tried to get nk'd??? you think im bussing literally every single mafia ever apparently) received the present which means you either think he is mafia which would again be retarded to do because now HE has passed on his present to someone else so gives another towny a chance to kill mafia for no reason???
3. No no no no no. Please READ THIS POST PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE On December 16 2014 08:55 Holyflare wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On December 16 2014 08:45 batsnacks wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2014 08:44 Holyflare wrote:On December 16 2014 08:41 batsnacks wrote:On December 16 2014 08:38 Holyflare wrote:On December 16 2014 08:33 batsnacks wrote:On December 16 2014 08:28 Holyflare wrote:On December 16 2014 08:22 batsnacks wrote:On December 16 2014 08:12 Holyflare wrote:On December 16 2014 08:06 batsnacks wrote:On December 16 2014 08:01 Holyflare wrote:
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Ritoky said he flat out agreed on the case on kelsier when the votes were piling up on him. He went onto gb's case and said he didn't really agree with a lot of the points, I'm more of a ? Than kelsier and that the people on my wagon are suspicious.
He literally couldn't do anything else BUT bus kelsier at this point and it wasn't a point at which the votes were 8-7 and switching could save kelsier. It was much before.
Yeah he did describe trfel's kelsier case as a "slam dunk" which if he's mafia is a very strange decision considering your and his interaction at the start of the day. He had every reason to vote you... but didn't. Which... I think that actually makes you look way worse. Like I said before given the choice between afk/hospital KSC and not afk/hospital HF, the choice is obvious. I would bus kelsier 10/10 times if that case was made and he was afk. I imagine most people would too. It doesn't matter if i look worse or not. It doesn't change my alignment. Judge me on what I do and not what yoi think mafia ritoky would be thinking at that random point in time. If you think I'm mafia because I'm playing badly and whatever then fine, you're wrong but i won't hate you for it, I'm playing pretty damn suboptimally but the fact of the matter is i called out this fucker yesterday, pushed him non-stop got berated by ALL OF YOU saying it doesn't make ritoky mafia and that we should let him live with a fucking present or whatever when actually I was right and it was by far the right play to just shoot him when i asked obi to n1. You were afk at the end of d2, when the case was made, so there wasn't an opportunity for you to bus him based on that case. And I'm not judging you based on what mafia ritoky would be thinking, I am judging you based on what mafia KSC and what mafia ritoky actually did. I don't think you're playing badly not sure why you'd even say that. I don't think anyone this game, aside from SL, has said you were playing badly and who cares if he thinks that anyway? and you pushing one of your scum buddies is not hard to believe, especially if you thought they were playing suboptimally, which, I think ritoky was playing sub-optimally with all his "presents" stuff as it got him killed. I'm not talking about what i would do. I implied that if i was mafia and saw that case then i would think my team mate would die 100% of the time, especially as loads of people switched at the time and then just bus him. Gb comes along and says rah rah my case is awesome but at that point people had already pointed out the multiple holes in his case and ritoky was one of them and couldn't join the anti mafia train. I am playing badly if I'm even up for consideration of being lynched. Let's just ignore everything but two facts for the purposes of this post: KSC, who was confirmed mafia, did not switch his vote to you despite being in the thread and posting at eod d2. ritoky, who I think is pretty obviously mafia, also did not switch his vote to you despite scum reading you for half the day. None of that has anything to do with how well you played. Both of those things make you scummy. So no, I don't think you're playing badly if you're a probable lynch target. I definitely never said you were playing badly. I never meant to imply it. It's not part of my message. Ritoky calls me a ? And he doesn't like ppl on my wagon before it even got that close so if he switches he outs himself as mafia when kelsier gets lynched today because i flipped town. Then kelsier dies AND ritoky dies. Or Bus team mate dying and get sweet sweet town cred. I think it's pretty obvious. ritoky is dying because of a very simple mistake. If I wasn't paying very careful attention to the rules, today would have looked a lot different. I probably would not have kept my vote on ritoky if I didn't -know- he lied. Yes because he fucking picked option 2??? That's literally exactly what I'm saying here as reasons for not switching. This game would look much more different if 2 people switched to me RIGHT at deadline after calling me town all game and also saying his scummy people were on my wagon and I was a? Compared to a slam dunk. That's like giving yourself away Are you trying to say that ritoky was calling you town all game? I'm not like patronizing or whatever but is that actually what you're saying? Please just learn to read. Ritoky bobbing along and sees a case that will get his team mate lynched like 90% of the time. Ritoky prepares to bus and says the case is a slam dunk. Ritoky sees people start to critique gb's case at this point in time saying it's not very good etc etc and sees that 3 people he has pushed as mafia that day are on that wagon, he sees that and prepares to give reasons why he'd not be on a town lynch aka avoiding suspicion. If he started to jump on MY wagon and i flipped town the people would look at the voters on me and instantly see that he jumped on a wagon with all his scum reads and ignored all the critiques of gb's case while calling out kelsier as mafia. That is so obviously scummy that he would try to avoid that at all costs. Especially as the vote between me and kelsier wasn't even close until near the deadline. So he leaves his options open. He doesn't actually call me town he critiques gbs case and leaves it open ended so he can still scum read me at a later date when he wouldn't draw as much suspicion to himself because everyone is just lynching me. If he did switch last minute as soon as i flipped town people would be all over a kelsier wagon today and he'd flip scum and ritoky would look absolutely terrible for switching off someone like kelsier onto town me after saying kelsier was a slam dunk. You keep thinking like the votes were always 8-7 when they weren't at all. and tell me how it is wrong in the slightest. Trading 2 mafia for one town who they don't even know if they are a power role after scum reading everyone on my wagon would be absolutely fucking terrible trade. Trading one mafia for infinite town cred is so much better.
4. Bats used similar terrible arguments to you, obi was quite clearly killed for being the VIGILANTE, froggy didn't scum read me at all and the argument that "oh he made this post so he must have been scum reading hf" is complete bs because he was speculating and wasn't actually scum reading me and wanted to lynch GB over me. He would also have been the perfect mislynch candidate for doing absolutely nothing all game so why on earth would I ever kill him???
5. Where is the scenario where I call out the town that helped me and you still lynch me anyway? Oh yes, never thought about that did you! Like you literally say if I call out a name then i'm mafia and he's mafia by association but do not account for me being town. I gave my reason for not saying it. It's effectively a green check on someone and I don't want to reveal it.
I don't want you to quit because you are wrong. I do recommend going back to newbie games and getting coached on what makes people mafia and town though because none of your arguments have any kind of balance of logic and you never try and see the town side of things. Not to mention you haven't even commented on anything I've done that makes me mafia but instead of what other people have done.
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On December 19 2014 19:42 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On December 19 2014 18:36 sicklucker wrote:
Mafia might be dividing on the gb/templar vote to switch and save hf her. Like this is a horrible idea why cant we just lynch hf? Like the templar was a great lynch for me before but not so much since hf,oats and ff are the first 3 votes and pushing this.
Vivax/ slam why are you sheeping your scum reads wtf?
God I wanted to sleep in but I dont trust you guy. I'm just doing this so HF's gf can yell some more at him.
hahahaha fuck you -.-
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On December 19 2014 20:13 sicklucker wrote:
#1 Meh your overconfident then but youve made excuses that you dont want to play this game so im not totally buying it
#2 Ritoky Didnt claim kp for like along time after he claimed present. It was well know that dandred died with a present by then. Mafia might have even targeted dandred because I telegraphed sending it to him. I said Dandred died with a present right after nks were announced pretty much the same time ritoky said he had one maybe before not really super important, what matters is when he claimed what was inside it. Mafia wouldn't risk opening it and dying so it took alot of balls to make that claim if they didnt have full control.
4.QUOTE]On December 19 2014 11:02 sicklucker wrote:
" I think Mafia had to have the remaining presents as it makes no sense for Rit to guess with a 50% chance of being wrong and leavig yourself vulnerable to a counterclaim"
That means he thinks hf and ff are fakeclaiming, that means hes voting hf. Its not super obvious so that explains why mafia killed. This is really simple stuff dont let the great froggy die in vien.
And if you think about it HES COMPLETELY RIGHT THIS PROVES WITHOUT ANY DISPUTE HF IS MAFIA. Ritoky claimed a present. He would only do this if mafia has both because dandred died with one.
Hes basically saying hf and ff are scum here so he would have voted hf.
5. BULLSHIT this one needs no explaining. Towns give towns information to win the game. Your not even defending the point your just putting scum on me. It makes sense since this is the best point and cant be countered.
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1. I made excuses for not posting at certain times because they were totally valid. I didn't make excuses saying I didn't want to play.
2. Ritoky claimed a fucking present before the night deadline. Apparently mafia is amazing at determining whether you have a present and who you are sending it to and caring what it is when they have a rber. 10/10 times i'd let them open it and if they don't die i'd kill them and rb them, especially if we had 2 presents in our possession because not only does that mean we'd KNOW what presents there were and open them ourselves and have an extra kp and role check but that means we could do actual things like you are saying with fake claims and stuff. It's ridiculous you'd think i'd let ritoky - who I was telling obi to shoot (even though he's a mass murderer and someone who apparently had the present) fake claim a present for absolutely no reason. He was under pressure from me, he was most likely going to get lynched and he claimed a present. It's quite obvious if you actually read any of the game instead of just making up speculation. Read that n1 interaction again and tell me that isn't the case.
3. no, he quite clearly said (maybe hf's reasons are right) in his post so no you're absolutely wrong again, it was just a speculation that he put no weight into yet you're trying to make it look like he did
4/5. no
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ritoky is practically forced to claim what present he had as soon as he claimed he was opening it so you're pretty wrong there too that he only did it because he knew about damdred
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Vivax breaking dat contract :O :O :O!
On December 19 2014 20:36 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On December 19 2014 20:29 sicklucker wrote:
Like ill totally look at gb later his game has def been off. Like the reason im town reading him mainly is because some of my points I got from him and there REALLY GOOD. Maybe he just gave me to much info if you know what I mean. Either way we learn alot about him with an hf flip You could also learn about HF with a GB flip yet you arbitrarily choose HF first. Look at the the interactions between them and flipped scum and come back with the insight that GB looks worse off it. The time he starts pushing HF is at some point after votes ritoky.
can you explain that to the lazy? (me)
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yes anyone can just read like page 4 of my filter and it's pretty fucking obvious i'm not mafia
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hahahha my page 6 is also like gold
get rekt sl
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well I get that but you can just read page 4-6 and then read the outrageous claim on page 7 from gb that I didn't push ritoky at all..... rofl
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AND YOU SHEEPED THAT CASE YOU MOFO
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I am most definitely not pissed at you :o i was just talking to you and correcting things I thought you got wrong
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On December 19 2014 23:20 Vivax wrote:
What I can criticize about HF's case is that it came at a time where people were already willing to vote Templar so it didn't exactly add much novelty. You could call it a nail in the coffin but it also looks a bit like overkill, something a scum HF could have done just cause he said he would write a huge wall of text case previously, and not something we really needed.
I didn't even read it lol, Templar is an easy gut-read at this point and before, based on my previous games with him.
Sorry HF I don't think I will ever feel confident enough to call you town after my past experiences, there are these interactions with scum that suggest townie but I fully trust you'd have the means of planting them on purpose.
well I don't really blame you ~_~ but I DID make it the day ritoky died initially and nobody really said anything other than "good case" "cool" and then went straight back to scum reading me somehow so I fleshed it out so people could stop being retarded and actually vote on likely mafia
this game is pretty exhausting tbh -.-
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On December 19 2014 23:40 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On December 19 2014 23:20 Vivax wrote:
What I can criticize about HF's case is that it came at a time where people were already willing to vote Templar so it didn't exactly add much novelty. You could call it a nail in the coffin but it also looks a bit like overkill, something a scum HF could have done just cause he said he would write a huge wall of text case previously, and not something we really needed.
I didn't even read it lol, Templar is an easy gut-read at this point and before, based on my previous games with him.
Sorry HF I don't think I will ever feel confident enough to call you town after my past experiences, there are these interactions with scum that suggest townie but I fully trust you'd have the means of planting them on purpose. Thats totally not true lol. When HF made his case he had by far the most votes and to say that his case was the nail in the coffin is a huge understatement. The tone of this post sounds weird, you are avoiding calling him town but your very attitude in the text implies that you think hes town.
can you blame him after this entire game and my previous ones??
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On December 10 2014 01:02 sicklucker wrote:
Ok I just sent my gift now to someone im sure is town and not going to get killed tonight. Open it if you think im town its not the death present I think. I think a mafia starts with that one but im not sure.
this is all he said before
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Don't you think sl's present claim made him extremely towny? The present/joyful claim. Pretty sure he's just being kept alive to troll me.
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On December 20 2014 00:37 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2014 00:31 Holyflare wrote:
Don't you think sl's present claim made him extremely towny? The present/joyful claim. Pretty sure he's just being kept alive to troll me. The joyful child claim I think is shitty. A lot of people were joyful child. Maybe he was town and thought his role was unique? I remember him talking about joyful children having presents. The present giving, however, sounded townie. The thing is: although it SOUNDED townie, it's actually null because either mafia or town could have the present.
I'm talking about the first part. Yes it was stupid /dumb to do but it looked like he thought he was one of 3 and that he somehow figured out an rng mechanic with presents. Looked pretty towny to me.
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No the analysis is fecking terrible I'm talking about claiming joyful child on day 1. Seems like a risky thing for mafia to do and seemed like someone not thinking it through/thinking he could game the setup. Even if that is retarded to think. (classic sl)
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Nigella is our best fail safe we have
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You realise if you lynch me and then are wrong on gb the game is over. You should consolidate on the most likely scum candidate and not the one that will give you information but are town.
I'm also going out tonight so can't make deadline so please don't fuck up AGAIN. Will consolidate on whoever the fuck is not me and people most want to lynch.
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Preference to templar though
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It's no coincedence all the people who don't give a shit about this game anymore : lian, template, tube pretty much sl too because he's useless are on me and the people who are paying attention to the game are on scummy people
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