On December 19 2014 02:17 Holyflare wrote: even now i reckon gb is writhing in his seat like omg omg omg holy said i was his scum read omg he's so mafia now omg and i bet he's writing out some post about it too being all happy that he's caught me in some other lie as if i'd forgotten what i've typed all game
Accurate description.
I'm impressed that it took you this long for you to read me as this, because: 1) I went against one of the most strong and persuasive players in the game where no one was caring about you 2) I've generated newer and original content. If it's right or wrong, it really doesn't matter because this is a town trait. 3) I've questioned ritoky in a way that he was caught in a lie. Although I didn't followed up properly, I would never question a scum partner like that without planning it perfectly in the qt 4) A guy just said I was uneasy with lynching people who was mafia (ritoky) and preferred to lynch KSC (Btw, someone pushing this thing is probably mafia lol). You've seen me doing this a ton in games I was town, like the one I defended bats.
About those scumreads in red you've quoted, it is associative with you being mafia. Lian was firmly wanting you to get lynched and when I said we should lynch outside the main wagons he turned his attention to oats. Vivax also wanted to lynch oats, if I remember correctly. If the two main wagons was, again, two mafias, people really pushing another lynch looks terrible.
I've already rescinded that read on sicklucker
I still have no idea why would you keep in secret who you gave your present to.
On December 19 2014 07:33 Holyflare wrote: because that person is very likely town because they sent it to ff so they'd just be a target for nk's and i can keep the name secret to protect them while knowing that they are town and if they get pushed i'll know they are getting pushed as a possible mislynch - most likely. It's like a green check basically.
Although I can understand this reasoning, it sounds like bs to me, sorry. If someone starts pushing the guy, it's a null indicative at most, because a townie could always find scummy things in his filter and get the innocent mislynched. The push for a mislynch isn't most likely - it is equally likely, IMO.
It doesn't matter if the guy who doesn't have the present anymore to be night killed. I don't understand this. It is more I portent for us to know who to push and if you say it can confirm the guys innocence, well, you should just say it so we can narrow our lynch targets.
You see, I don't understand. I genuinely believe roles are shit unless for claiming purposes. What did you get from Santa? A check on FF who could be GF. What did you get from the vigi? A shot on a townie. How many saves nigella got or how many roleblocks? Probably none since I'm sure obi was roleblocked.
Now, how many scums did we lynch with THE HOLY POWER OF VOTING? Answer: 2.
The thing that bothers me most on Templar in this game is that he isn't really trying to solve it at all. He comes to the thread at weird times and mostly when cited. Last time he is much more active. His lock on Tubesock seems extremely forced, considering how he isn't trying to get him lynched anymore.
Like, I have a lock on on holyflare and I'm trying to get things out of him because either color he flips, will be extremely informative. If he wasn't a bandwagon, I would be trying to get more facts to convince people he is mafia.
I don't see Templar doing this.
I would be reading you as town after the case on Templar, HF. That is, if you weren't holyflare. Your scum play is unpredictable and I know you are capable of bussing your whole team to gain town cred.
On December 19 2014 09:14 GlowingBear wrote: The thing that bothers me most on Templar in this game is that he isn't really trying to solve it at all. He comes to the thread at weird times and mostly when cited. Last time he is much more active. His lock on Tubesock seems extremely forced, considering how he isn't trying to get him lynched anymore.
Like, I have a lock on on holyflare and I'm trying to get things out of him because either color he flips, will be extremely informative. If he wasn't a bandwagon, I would be trying to get more facts to convince people he is mafia.
I don't see Templar doing this.
...as mafia or town...
In this game. You had a similar lock on on Tubesock but your interest fell greatly.
This is not a meta read, it's an objective read in this game.
It just seems that you're not interested in winning.
I had a townread on a game everyone was scumreading you. I'm not having the same townread on you here. It's very indicative.
On December 19 2014 09:33 Holyflare wrote: Like the case is so super solid that even if I was mafia I'm handing you a mafia on a plate so you should be jumping on that shit anyway?? He even returned to say the meta was meh and never said anything about any other part of it. If he does claim a role you'll know he's mafia too because he already claimed joyful child. How perfect is that?
On December 19 2014 08:10 Holyflare wrote: but you were all content to let me get lynched then after agreeing with my case/wanting to kill gb
I was always againist your lynch HF I was wantign a GB since the case from Rsoultin after Ritoky got lynched. I riding and dieing with Rsoultin now.
LS, I appreciate the vote of confidence, but assuming that you're town, the only one (barring being a caroler or something) that you can know is 100% town is you. So please, never follow me blindly. That's why I make cases. I can be wrong. If you agree with it, that's fine. More the merrier.
I also will not necessarily stay on GB forever if it means sacrificing a player who I think is town. I'm not quite that stubborn, and I don't think that Templar is the worst lynch we could make. I still need to fact check HFs case, though, and see what else I can find...if I agree with it or not.
And yes, GB. You probably should read my case against you. -shrugs- That's just common sense.
On December 19 2014 09:52 rsoultin wrote: I haven't townread Templar yet -shrugs- I already gave two reasons he makes me itchy, but I haven't done the research or checked HFs case closely enough to decide if I think it's enough to be scum or just null.
Obviously lynching someone I think is town would be the worst lynch. Why do you ask questions with obvious answers?
Also, has anyone notice that Tube hasn't posted at all in 2 days? I don't know if it was being rattled that his conspiracy theory wasn't completely right or what, but...he posted once after the flip and hasn't since.
Sorry, misread it. Damn dyslexia.
Yes, everybody noticed. But you were the first one to bring it up. Not his arch enemy, the Templar. Which is bad for him.
1) Saying a lack on push on a ridiculous present claim =\= having a read on the claim 2) Reevaluating reads is okay so, lol. Check timestamps. 3) I GAVE THE PRESENT TO RITOKY. HE HAD A PRESENT. There is a present with mafia.
On other topic: I thought sicklucker said he gave the present to damdred before damdred flipped??
On December 19 2014 23:39 GlowingBear wrote: Vivax
1) Saying a lack on push on a ridiculous present claim =\= having a read on the claim 2) Reevaluating reads is okay so, lol. Check timestamps. 3) I GAVE THE PRESENT TO RITOKY. HE HAD A PRESENT. There is a present with mafia.
On other topic: I thought sicklucker said he gave the present to damdred before damdred flipped??
Hrm. I thought SL had said it before the flip, too?
I know that he strongly intimated it. Cause I for sure got that impression when he first mentioned giving it to someone. Probably should filter-dive...meeeeeehh. Finding one specific post in that is gonna be a chore.
I cba to filter dive him but I really thought it was before the flip, which implies mafia shot someone they were certain they had a present. I can't think another reason for mafia to not shoot holyflare before damdred night1.
On December 12 2014 08:22 sicklucker wrote: Shit this is horrible I can confirm I sent dandred a present and thats probably why hes dead..
First time he mentioned sending it to Damdred was after the flip, yes.
I mean, you could figure it out, actually, given he was only townreading you and Damdred strongly and thought you had a role, then goes and says he gave it to someone he knows (lol) is town, but has no role...but it does make SL look pretty bad lol if you think Damdred was NKd and not killed by exploding present.
I have no idea why the mass murderer would hold his shot day1. I simply have no idea. Which implies damdred was shot because kush was obviously killed by Marley and LoneMeow by obi.
On December 20 2014 00:03 rsoultin wrote: I haven't been sold on the kill present theory for Damdred for a bit. It does imply that SL is scum, though, which people don't seem to like. That or that he was just highly transparent (which I can see, cause I've posted how his posts read Day 1 before to demonstrate that it wasn't really rocket science, figuring out who SL gave the present to).
People aren't aware of the presents content. I have no idea what's on ritoky's present.
So, sicklucker giving the death present to damdred doesn't implies he is mafia.
What is weird, though, is that he says the death present is probably with mafia and after he says people doesn't know what is the present's content.
The possibilities are 1) Damdred opened the death present. Implies SL is town because I can't see mafia giving a present to a townie if not to WIFOM hard 2) Mafia understood he gave the present to damdred and shot him. 3) Mafia sicklucker gave a present to damdred and, by knowing he was the holder, shot him. His would eliminate a present from the game and it would also give town cred to sicklucker based on possibility (1).
If the death present was sent from town SL to town damdred, if mafia has a present since the beginning, if Santa got a check on the godfather, we are SO FUCKING UNLUCKY in this game.
On December 20 2014 00:17 rsoultin wrote: I didn't make myself clear. Not believing that Damdred received a kill present is what implies SL is scum xP So we just said the same thing.
But yeah, he's very squirrely on all these presents. I'm scum leaning on him, but I don't think today is a good day to push him, because hey uphill climb lol. He's done a good job of convincing people to generally ignore his nuttiness (myself included) so that when he is scum we don't look at him as closely as maybe we should.
Unfortunately, he looks as town to me. This is why this game is so fucking hard.
On December 20 2014 00:28 rsoultin wrote: -shrugs-
Like I said, uphill climb xP
So why are you so interested in people mass-claiming? Do you really think it'll narrow things down for town that much? Seems to me we're more likely to get counter-claims (real or false) or a ton of VT claims and still be playing the same old who is lying bit, while scum can shoot into the last few roles that may or may not be able to roleblock them.
If you're arguing it's obvious who the scum would be...I refer you to your last post ^
War roles are mason, nigella and veteran If veteran claims and gets shot, lol @ mafia If mason claims... nothing happens, it just confirms a townie. If nigella claims we lose a protection/roleblock. I'd rather know who is town and narrow targets than having the power roles.
Like, with these claims, I know who I can work with and it's less 3 people I should be worried about.
A lot of vt claims is okay. The thing is that mafia is probably not counter claiming any of these three power roles so we are okay. And IF mafia counterclaims and gets the power role lynched, free mafia lynch next day.
On December 20 2014 00:31 Holyflare wrote: Don't you think sl's present claim made him extremely towny? The present/joyful claim. Pretty sure he's just being kept alive to troll me.
The joyful child claim I think is shitty. A lot of people were joyful child. Maybe he was town and thought his role was unique? I remember him talking about joyful children having presents.
The present giving, however, sounded townie. The thing is: although it SOUNDED townie, it's actually null because either mafia or town could have the present.
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