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I forgot koshi died...
With LoneMeow killed by vigi, these were the mafia nightkills:
kushm4sta the Scrooge is dead
Damdred the Joyful Child is dead
Koshi the Disgruntled Retail Worker is dead
Kitaman27 the Disgruntled Retail Worker is dead
We already know that there are 3 shots here (2 mafia kp + mass murderer)
We have to decide if kush was shot by the mass murderer and that either koshi or kita were shot by the banker or banker missed his shot and kush was killed by Marley.
By the way, it seems the first option to me, making LS and Vivax claims (much more LS's, he had no motivation to claim day2) look bad.
It also means damdred was shot instead of dying by the present. Which means SL is scum or scum is setting SL up. Anyway, hard to believe scum would try to soft confirm SL thinking that he would be scum later. Which means SL is very likely to be scum.
Which leaves to the conclusion that SL, Vivax and LS could be scum together.
Considering lian tried to deflect the lynch from both ritoky and HF, I pointing FoS at him.
This will be my last post for now, because I've only for five left this night.
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On December 17 2014 10:58 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2014 10:46 GlowingBear wrote:On December 17 2014 10:40 rsoultin wrote:On December 17 2014 10:35 GlowingBear wrote:
But well, my theory that scum could have hammered HF but didn't was proven right.
If you're still scumreading me, remember that I was the one that started to ask questions about notification to ritoky. This is exactly what I was trying to achieve at that moment. That's why after his answer I asked anyone who was roleblocked day1 to claim.
Also, as holyflare quoted Vivax, LoneMeow was shot by vigi.
Proof one is that Obi said he was reading LM as mafia
Proof two is that, as only 2 kills happened, Obi was shot AND roleblocked, which is TOO accurate night actions for mafia UNLESS they realise obi was the only one scumreading LM. And as they know they didn't shoot LM night one, it was easy to know who to roleblock and kill. You said okay and moved on. Bats is the one who figured it out. Come on, GB. You can't claim credit for what you didn't do. You didn't even vote ritoky after supposedly trapping him. Because I couldn't get back earlier to change my vote. If you think that bats was the guy who made the hard push, you're wrong. If you really think I would question my scum partner so he slips doing something impossible... So what you're trying to tell me is that you were able to post in this thread upwards of 10 times after coming out with your amazing scum team revelation, talking about HF being a mislynch, but you weren't able to change your vote on HF. Uh huh. Reactions were important for the thing I've claimed. Mafia was probably surprised with what I said and probably were going to overreact, deflect, or give TMI (HF said it was obvious when it wasn't for me, I didn't see Vivax quoting obi; SL co inf and talking about roles and that I HAD TO SPECIFICALLY GO THROUGH THE VIGIS FILTER AND SHOW THAT HE KILLED. This is too much insight, he KNEW it was in obis filter) So what you're trying to tell me is you weren't blue-fishing trying to get people to claim being RBd? If you knew that they didn't receive notifications, then them claiming it would be the same as claiming to have a role.No it's not, there are host who says when a person was roleblocked even if they don't have a role So what you're trying to tell me is that we should give you more credit than bats who actually did find out the real information and got rit to crack. I'm telling you that bats only got ritoky lying because I've questioned ritoky things that a partner would never ask in order to prevent him from slipping. GB...BS on top of BS. [/b]
Seriously, I'm reading you as town, but you're making it so difficult to see you after these simple facts...
Now I have only 4 posts and I'm really going to keep them. Good night.
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HOLYFLARE, YOU GAVE THE PRESENT TO WHO?
Answer this or you're going to get lynched tomorrow, I guarantee.
Argh it's too hard to stop posting
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If FF has got the present from holyflare, I want to know who gave the present to him.
Who was it?
I'm making a fucking ton of sense and any townie can clearly see my stream of thoughts.
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On December 17 2014 11:42 rsoultin wrote:Lol I guess we're all mafia then, according to GB logic  How do you know the person who gave it to him is even still alive, GB? We've got a lot of dead right now ^^
If he has got the present day3, the person was still alive day2.
I the person was still alive day2, if it wasn't Kelsier who gave the present to HF, it was either obi or Trfel.
Considering Trfel ended up voting HF and obi wasn't sure about HF, they probably didn't send him the present.
My question continues: who sent the present to holyflare?
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On December 17 2014 12:01 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2014 11:52 GlowingBear wrote:On December 17 2014 11:42 rsoultin wrote:Lol I guess we're all mafia then, according to GB logic How do you know the person who gave it to him is even still alive, GB? We've got a lot of dead right now ^^ If he has got the present day3, the person was still alive day2. I the person was still alive day2, if it wasn't Kelsier who gave the present to HF, it was either obi or Trfel. Considering Trfel ended up voting HF and obi wasn't sure about HF, they probably didn't send him the present. My question continues: who sent the present to holyflare? I didn't send the present to fecal you tool i got the present n1 and sent it on day 2. That person then sent it to fecal day 3 and here we are with fecal receiving it n3.
And that person is...?
Rsoultin, it's pretty clear who I'm scumreading right now and you can take froggynoddy out of that list.
I may be wrong on SL because he claimed that he sent a present to damdred and maybe, MAYBE mafia preferred to kill damdy instead of roleblocking him night2. I don't really know.
Really, you should read what I wrote. There are some mistypings but you can clearly see my stream of thought. You've been hard defending HF and ignoring my points and trying to discredit me for a long time. I'm ignoring you because you're either scum or donkey town for now.
I think I have just one more post left now. Gonna really try to sleep.
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HOLYFLARE
YOU GAVE YOUR PRESENT TO WHO?
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Bah, if you guys can't see me as town after everything I've wrote, nothing will.
Have in mind that the probability of the Mass Murderer holding his shot day1 is very very low, which means damdred was shot instead of killed by the death present.
This leads to two possibilities:
1) Sicklucker claimed giving the present to Damdred as mafia because he knew that mafia was going to shoot damdred and that he would gain towncred for the giving thing (less likely)
2) As mafia knew sicklucker was dumb enough to claim to who he gave the present, they simply shot the present bearer (more likely)
kushm4sta the Scrooge is dead
Damdred the Joyful Child is dead
Koshi the Disgruntled Retail Worker is dead
Kitaman27 the Disgruntled Retail Worker is dead
Although two disgruntled died, I now find hard to believe they were shot by the banker. Because the guys who were shot are very strong players, and if mafia decided to take a risk to waste a kp on kush, useless player (sorry kush); I don't know what to say. This means there's obviously a Marley. Sigh.
There is no way mafia had perfect two actions on the vigi at the same time without having privileged information. As they couldn't have used a rolecop present, neither have a rolecop power, they knew obi was the vigi because LoneMeow died. That's how obis shot didn't get through. I doubt obi, as the aggressive player he is (not hostile, but aggressive), he wouldn't hold his shot.
This leads to another theory: knowing it was obi the vigilante, they knew they had to roleblock him. With two disgruntled dead, the banker wasn't really a power role anymore, so he could be sacrificed. Which means holyflare is probably the roleblocker. He was kept alive to prevent obis shot. And the mass murderer, with two shots wasted, could be lynched. But nothing better than mislynching. So I reaction tested people into lynching outside the main wagons on day3. Search for people who instantly agreed and pushed hard another lynch.
This is a post who confirms holyflare as mafia:
+ Show Spoiler + On December 17 2014 12:01 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2014 11:52 GlowingBear wrote:On December 17 2014 11:42 rsoultin wrote:Lol I guess we're all mafia then, according to GB logic How do you know the person who gave it to him is even still alive, GB? We've got a lot of dead right now ^^ If he has got the present day3, the person was still alive day2. I the person was still alive day2, if it wasn't Kelsier who gave the present to HF, it was either obi or Trfel. Considering Trfel ended up voting HF and obi wasn't sure about HF, they probably didn't send him the present. My question continues: who sent the present to holyflare? I didn't send the present to fecal you tool i got the present n1 and sent it on day 2. That person then sent it to fecal day 3 and here we are with fecal receiving it n3.
He is omitting the person who he sent the present. There is no town motive to keep it as a secret, because there is nothing that could make mafia kill the one who has no present anymore.
Do you know why he omitted it?
Because if he is mafia and sent the present to a partner;
A) if he lies and says he sent to a townie, the townie will say he never got the present from him
B) if he says it was a mafia partner, if HF is lynched and flips red, he automatically incriminates his partner.
I was waiting to see if Holyflare would answer me so we could have two mafia to kill, but it seems HF is ignoring me (by the time I've made this post).
Now, with holyflare flipping mafia, take a look at rsoultin. He's been discrediting me for no reason, hard defending HF the whole game for no reason either, and he is not doing ANYTHING to get his scumreads lynched.
There is a post from rsoultin in the thread where, when I say I'm going to post part2 on HFs case, he says it wouldn't be necessary. Do you see town motivation behind this phrase? Looking at this post in a vacuum, I can't see a world where town could possibly deny his scumread into giving reads on someone. I can see a world where scum is trying to put down a potential case on his partner.
This is unflipped, so, HF must flip to get this read right.
So, take a look at him. It's very strange the way he is pushing things. But for his effort and high post count, he could be town or very good scum.
Go after liancourt because he was the guy who most draw attention regarding voting someone else outside the ritoky/HF wagon.
I've noted this yesterday, please take a look:
+ Show Spoiler +
Scum hammered KSC because they needed HF to roleblock obi, as they knew obi was the vigi.
Mass murderer lost his last shot which means he was useless and holyflare was more important. Search for people who wanted to lynch other people or ended up on ritoky on the last second. People on HF wagon are probably town. Whoever wanted to lynch HF but decided another person was better and tried to push this other vote is most likely mafia.
In the votecounts, if you can find people wasting their votes on day1, hammering KSC day2 and voting oats day3, the probability of being mafia is huge.
Townreads based solely on feelings and not thinking on objective arguments:
Slam
Tubesock
Rsoultin
SL
(Yes, I KNOW how this sounds contradictory, but it isn't, because I'm talking about gut feelings without consider any objective argument. I'm reading SL and Rsoultin as possible scum considering other arguments and NOT gut feeling).
This is my last post, unfortunately.
(I was waiting to see if HF would post a name, but since he didn't post it until now and people are already saying he won't say, I'm posting it)
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No fucking way you voted me slam.
You're all fucking stupid.
Gg
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On December 18 2014 10:07 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On December 18 2014 10:02 sicklucker wrote:
Gb can still be mafia. But hes so less likely and he correctly explain why hf is mafia. your on my mafia radar now the line in the sand has been drawn. Hf basicly claimed by not telling us who he sent the present to if you didnt read the thread. tmi. Actually its super silly for holyflare to fakeclaim really badly. Hes better than that. Sadly.
Really bad as scum
Extremely bad as town
It's ridiculous how many inconsistencies I've found on holyflare's gameplay. He's not one to drown on such fallacies and misinterpretations of posts.
It sounds mafia. It makes perfect sense that HF is the roleblocker therefore they lynched KSC.
Obi obviously did shot LoneMeow.
If you can't see this, you're really stupid.
Town holyflare has no problem in saying to whom he gave the present, because this guy already doesn't have the present l, so it's safe to claim to whom he has given it. He doesn't say because he will incriminate another mafia if he says or the townie will say he never got the present. This is a simple scum claim.
If you doubt it, just ask to HF to whom he gave the present. If he refuses to say, ask why. He won't give you a satisfactory reason, I guarantee.
Also, have this in mind: if he sent his present to someone, how does he knows this person have this present to FF instead of opening it? How does he knows this person gave the present to FF? Hint: it's because he gave the present to his scum partner and FF not being dead means he is the Godfather.
Forget it's me who is saying this. Think of it as a whisper in the dark. Doesn't it makes sense?
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By the way, I'm town and I've sent the present to ritoky, which was mafia. It means my present is in scum hands and I'd never claim giving present to a mafia while being his partner.
If you can't see this, you need serious coaching.
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Remember that the present thing is not about FAKE claiming: it's about that a scum wouldn't give a present to a town unless he was going to shoot him.
So holyflare sent it to a scum partner because he will be caught on a lie of he says he sent it to a townie and he will incriminate a mafia partner if he gets lybched and flip red.
Again, it's simple logic.
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On December 18 2014 16:57 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On December 18 2014 16:54 GlowingBear wrote:
Remember that the present thing is not about FAKE claiming: it's about that a scum wouldn't give a present to a town unless he was going to shoot him.
So holyflare sent it to a scum partner because he will be caught on a lie of he says he sent it to a townie and he will incriminate a mafia partner if he gets lybched and flip red.
Again, it's simple logic. So why would scum holyflare be so bad at claiming?
Why town holyflare would be so bad at claiming?
The argument that holyflare is better than this is bullshitty.
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By the way, half the sky looks completely bad. I remember having a town read on her based on how she came effortful and trying to figure out the game on her newbie game, but it is completely different here.
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Holyflare's case on Templar is good, by the way
It's a shame I have such strong scumread on you
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On December 18 2014 22:43 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On December 18 2014 22:35 GlowingBear wrote:
Holyflare's case on Templar is good, by the way
It's a shame I have such strong scumread on you Yes well you're as awful as ever or are mafia and I'm leaning the latter, quite heavily. If you aren't mafia then you'll be getting lynched next cycle after I flip and would have singlehandedly lost the entire game because you're too stubborn to realise you are wrong.
![[image loading]](http://statichumor.gerson.barreiros.nom.br/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/ta-serto.jpg)
"Ok"
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On December 19 2014 00:58 Alakaslam wrote:Show nested quote +On December 18 2014 23:32 GlowingBear wrote:On December 18 2014 22:43 Holyflare wrote:On December 18 2014 22:35 GlowingBear wrote:
Holyflare's case on Templar is good, by the way
It's a shame I have such strong scumread on you Yes well you're as awful as ever or are mafia and I'm leaning the latter, quite heavily. If you aren't mafia then you'll be getting lynched next cycle after I flip and would have singlehandedly lost the entire game because you're too stubborn to realise you are wrong. "Ok" Hijole GB how often u understand the español with your Portuguese? Hiiiiiijole Mi Español esta feo
I can understand almost everything with it 
I can even try to speak a hybrid (Portuñol  ) but I'll have some mistakes like the "contundent" I had before in English.
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On December 19 2014 01:24 Alakaslam wrote:
Saves "Hijo le" y significado diferenté? Jajaja
Si muchos hombres usar en mi trabajando
"Hiiiijole CHINGA le SEMANA!"
Estas enojados
I'm not mad. Hijole isn't a word in Portuguese and there is no similar... I think it could be something like "WOW" or "GODDAMNIT!"
Chinga le semana HAHAHAHAHA
PORRA DE SEMANA!!!
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On December 19 2014 01:38 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On December 19 2014 01:17 Vivax wrote:I won't fall for the indemnification part, you vote em or I lynch you you bad at law bro, the indemnification part is so you can't do anything to me after the contract has ended or claim for things that arose out of the contract
I thought it was for breach of contract...?
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On December 19 2014 01:59 Holyflare wrote:
this game feels so fucking peaceful when it's full of actual content and reads btw so i might just afk when sicklucker/lian turn up with their usual shit
QFT
I've wasted too much breath with ironclad logic and people aren't giving shit so I'd rather have fun with interactions instead of bringing newer and newer content.
If I'm not mafia, HF, who would you say it might be the remaining scums?
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