TL Mafia LXIX: Carol Of The Bells - Page 16

On December 18 2014 06:35 Holyflare wrote:
Even hypothetically if i sent it to mafia then that mafia sent it to fecalfeast the mafia gains ridiculous town credit for sending it to a green check.

There's literally no reason for me to claim the name at all because it's already proven that the fucking present exists because fecal has it.

If someone else sent fecal a present that didn't originally get it from me they just counter claim and i die.

Your points are all asinine and not well thought through at all.

On December 18 2014 07:15 Alakaslam wrote:
Who cares about that I mean really

On December 17 2014 11:17 GlowingBear wrote:
HOLYFLARE, YOU GAVE THE PRESENT TO WHO?

Answer this or you're going to get lynched tomorrow, I guarantee.

Argh it's too hard to stop posting

On December 17 2014 11:38 GlowingBear wrote:
If FF has got the present from holyflare, I want to know who gave the present to him.

Who was it?

I'm making a fucking ton of sense and any townie can clearly see my stream of thoughts.

On December 17 2014 11:52 GlowingBear wrote:


If he has got the present day3, the person was still alive day2.
I the person was still alive day2, if it wasn't Kelsier who gave the present to HF, it was either obi or Trfel.

Considering Trfel ended up voting HF and obi wasn't sure about HF, they probably didn't send him the present.

My question continues: who sent the present to holyflare?

On December 18 2014 01:44 GlowingBear wrote:
Bah, if you guys can't see me as town after everything I've wrote, nothing will.
Have in mind that the probability of the Mass Murderer holding his shot day1 is very very low, which means damdred was shot instead of killed by the death present.

This leads to two possibilities:
1) Sicklucker claimed giving the present to Damdred as mafia because he knew that mafia was going to shoot damdred and that he would gain towncred for the giving thing (less likely)
2) As mafia knew sicklucker was dumb enough to claim to who he gave the present, they simply shot the present bearer (more likely)

kushm4sta the Scrooge is dead
Damdred the Joyful Child is dead
Koshi the Disgruntled Retail Worker is dead
Kitaman27 the Disgruntled Retail Worker is dead

Although two disgruntled died, I now find hard to believe they were shot by the banker. Because the guys who were shot are very strong players, and if mafia decided to take a risk to waste a kp on kush, useless player (sorry kush); I don't know what to say. This means there's obviously a Marley. Sigh.

There is no way mafia had perfect two actions on the vigi at the same time without having privileged information. As they couldn't have used a rolecop present, neither have a rolecop power, they knew obi was the vigi because LoneMeow died. That's how obis shot didn't get through. I doubt obi, as the aggressive player he is (not hostile, but aggressive), he wouldn't hold his shot.

This leads to another theory: knowing it was obi the vigilante, they knew they had to roleblock him. With two disgruntled dead, the banker wasn't really a power role anymore, so he could be sacrificed. Which means holyflare is probably the roleblocker. He was kept alive to prevent obis shot. And the mass murderer, with two shots wasted, could be lynched. But nothing better than mislynching. So I reaction tested people into lynching outside the main wagons on day3. Search for people who instantly agreed and pushed hard another lynch.

This is a post who confirms holyflare as mafia:

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He is omitting the person who he sent the present. There is no town motive to keep it as a secret, because there is nothing that could make mafia kill the one who has no present anymore.
Do you know why he omitted it?
Because if he is mafia and sent the present to a partner;
A) if he lies and says he sent to a townie, the townie will say he never got the present from him
B) if he says it was a mafia partner, if HF is lynched and flips red, he automatically incriminates his partner.

I was waiting to see if Holyflare would answer me so we could have two mafia to kill, but it seems HF is ignoring me (by the time I've made this post).

Now, with holyflare flipping mafia, take a look at rsoultin. He's been discrediting me for no reason, hard defending HF the whole game for no reason either, and he is not doing ANYTHING to get his scumreads lynched.
There is a post from rsoultin in the thread where, when I say I'm going to post part2 on HFs case, he says it wouldn't be necessary. Do you see town motivation behind this phrase? Looking at this post in a vacuum, I can't see a world where town could possibly deny his scumread into giving reads on someone. I can see a world where scum is trying to put down a potential case on his partner.
This is unflipped, so, HF must flip to get this read right.

So, take a look at him. It's very strange the way he is pushing things. But for his effort and high post count, he could be town or very good scum.

Go after liancourt because he was the guy who most draw attention regarding voting someone else outside the ritoky/HF wagon.

I've noted this yesterday, please take a look:
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Townreads based solely on feelings and not thinking on objective arguments:
Slam
Tubesock
Rsoultin
SL
(Yes, I KNOW how this sounds contradictory, but it isn't, because I'm talking about gut feelings without consider any objective argument. I'm reading SL and Rsoultin as possible scum considering other arguments and NOT gut feeling).

This is my last post, unfortunately.

(I was waiting to see if HF would post a name, but since he didn't post it until now and people are already saying he won't say, I'm posting it)

Tubesock, you crazy.
I said that reading me as town after those santa fluff posts was bad unless you had reasoning. I saw NB was worse than Kelsier so I switched to her.

On December 13 2014 05:46 GlowingBear wrote:
Templar, thoughts on my brief case on HF.

On December 13 2014 05:28 GlowingBear wrote:
HF doesn't look like he is pushin town agenda, but his own self agenda. This looks much more like mafia holyflare. He points out things that aren't really mafiaish and doesn't seem to try to further identify people's alignment. His pushes aren't for solving the game. They are mostly done just to push, just to make a lynch happen, maybe.

His backtracking on froggy is weird because he kept an absolute stance regarding bunnies, who I just say sounded more null than anything, and froggy is leaning scum.

HF once came to the thread and said that we should look for people outside the NB wagon, which is ridiculous. He wasn't talking about people who WASTED their votes. He was talking about people outside the main wagon. He also said me and ritoky looked the worst. You can see he is doing a timid push on ritoky, but it really doesn't sound like he is trying to figure out his alignment. Weirdly enough, the present claim from ritoky remained unquestioned by HF. MOREOVER, he did not make ANY attempt to figure out my alignment when he said I looked bad at that time.

He is scum.

On December 13 2014 12:25 Vivax wrote:
Tentative naughty list, it would be cool if we could lynch one of these baddies today:

- GB for this discrepancy in his case. The froggynoddy suspicion is entirely new and he doesn't look included among his scumspects. Rather fresh scumread stemming from that HF case, still have to look for more stuff thoroughly.

- TheTemplar for not being the ballsy, (scumhuntingly) talkative town templar who always gets townread D1 and mostly NKd N1. Gut based explanation, check for inconsistencies also pending here (yes I'm not going through as many filters thoroughly as I probably should yet, besides we can't lynch all of em today so I think it's fine)

- Fecalfeast for some of the stuff I found in his filter and already mentioned, plus he martyrs at various points, like during N1 and lately when he sort of expressed he doesn't care about the scumreads. But it's not the sort of righteous townie martyr when somebody is genuinely pissed off about people scumreading him or the sort, it's more like the "I don't care about the game"- martyr. Additionally he was in the focus of the night killed guys.

- Trfel for playing extremely subpar to his last game when he's capable of much much more. He doesn't want to stand in the spotlight in this game.

There's probably 5 scum since the formula for scummers is usually amount of players / 5. I don't know why people go on so much about tubesock claiming there's 5 scum being a scumslip. Scumslips are overrated in all the games I've played in save very few exceptions. Overall I find him tedious to read cause he has such a weird way of expressing himself, if I would give him a read it certainly wouldn't be cause of that.

Finding the likely 5th scum pending. Tempted to look into the direction of Oats, soultin, Kelsier for this one.

On December 17 2014 07:17 froggynoddy wrote:

Templar, slam and perhaps Oats are scummy lurkers rather than simply AFK/ town lurkers for reasons previously disclosed.

On December 18 2014 18:04 Vivax wrote:
Templar ur scum with Oats HF, amirite?

There's this part in ritoky's filter where he calls you out on the fluffy posts, and it sounds entirely different from how he handles his next suspect, plus his next suspect ends up among his scumreads and you don't. Plus there's one point where he questions an OWS townread but not a townread on you.

Additionally you've been a N1 kill in every game I was in and have bled townie every time from the start.

Sorry broski but this is ggnore.

On December 14 2014 15:07 Vivax wrote:
Also Templar is mafia.

Like super mafia.

On December 14 2014 06:53 Tubesock wrote:


Then vote me.

On December 16 2014 08:45 batsnacks wrote:


Are you trying to say that ritoky was calling you town all game? I'm not like patronizing or whatever but is that actually what you're saying?

being really active, posting all the time, with long drawn out posts of justification. He seems to have multiple metas thought out for all the occasions!