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On December 16 2014 08:22 batsnacks wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2014 08:12 Holyflare wrote:On December 16 2014 08:06 batsnacks wrote:On December 16 2014 08:01 Holyflare wrote:On December 16 2014 07:58 batsnacks wrote:On December 16 2014 07:55 Holyflare wrote:On December 16 2014 07:53 batsnacks wrote:On December 16 2014 07:50 Holyflare wrote:On December 10 2014 17:45 Palmar wrote:
Clarification:
Roleblocks, Saves and anything like that are never announced to the player. You will not know if you're roleblocked (although if you have a role you might be able to deduce it) and you will not know if you saved someone or got saved from a KP.
Anyone saying to kill me before this must be mafia. Absolutely ridiculous that me and ritoky would be mafia together. No it's not ridiculous. There are now 2 scum that didn't vote to save KSC. Yes bussing is cool when a guy is super afk after saying he liked the case on his partner but not the case on me and the people on me. If you want to make me understand that isn't the sentence that's going to do it. Ritoky said he flat out agreed on the case on kelsier when the votes were piling up on him. He went onto gb's case and said he didn't really agree with a lot of the points, I'm more of a ? Than kelsier and that the people on my wagon are suspicious. He literally couldn't do anything else BUT bus kelsier at this point and it wasn't a point at which the votes were 8-7 and switching could save kelsier. It was much before. Yeah he did describe trfel's kelsier case as a "slam dunk" which if he's mafia is a very strange decision considering your and his interaction at the start of the day. He had every reason to vote you... but didn't. Which... I think that actually makes you look way worse. Like I said before given the choice between afk/hospital KSC and not afk/hospital HF, the choice is obvious. I would bus kelsier 10/10 times if that case was made and he was afk. I imagine most people would too. It doesn't matter if i look worse or not. It doesn't change my alignment. Judge me on what I do and not what yoi think mafia ritoky would be thinking at that random point in time. If you think I'm mafia because I'm playing badly and whatever then fine, you're wrong but i won't hate you for it, I'm playing pretty damn suboptimally but the fact of the matter is i called out this fucker yesterday, pushed him non-stop got berated by ALL OF YOU saying it doesn't make ritoky mafia and that we should let him live with a fucking present or whatever when actually I was right and it was by far the right play to just shoot him when i asked obi to n1. You were afk at the end of d2, when the case was made, so there wasn't an opportunity for you to bus him based on that case. And I'm not judging you based on what mafia ritoky would be thinking, I am judging you based on what mafia KSC and what mafia ritoky actually did. I don't think you're playing badly not sure why you'd even say that. I don't think anyone this game, aside from SL, has said you were playing badly and who cares if he thinks that anyway? and you pushing one of your scum buddies is not hard to believe, especially if you thought they were playing suboptimally, which, I think ritoky was playing sub-optimally with all his "presents" stuff as it got him killed.
I'm not talking about what i would do. I implied that if i was mafia and saw that case then i would think my team mate would die 100% of the time, especially as loads of people switched at the time and then just bus him.
Gb comes along and says rah rah my case is awesome but at that point people had already pointed out the multiple holes in his case and ritoky was one of them and couldn't join the anti mafia train.
I am playing badly if I'm even up for consideration of being lynched.
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On December 16 2014 08:29 liancourt wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2014 08:07 Holyflare wrote:On December 16 2014 08:04 liancourt wrote:On December 16 2014 07:58 Holyflare wrote:On December 16 2014 07:56 liancourt wrote:On December 16 2014 07:53 batsnacks wrote:On December 16 2014 07:50 Holyflare wrote:On December 10 2014 17:45 Palmar wrote:
Clarification:
Roleblocks, Saves and anything like that are never announced to the player. You will not know if you're roleblocked (although if you have a role you might be able to deduce it) and you will not know if you saved someone or got saved from a KP.
Anyone saying to kill me before this must be mafia. Absolutely ridiculous that me and ritoky would be mafia together. No it's not ridiculous. There are now 2 scum that didn't vote to save KSC. why didnt rit vote HF to save kel???? HF mafia please I want HF to flip so I can analyze the shizwihiznit of the day 2 votes vote HF kill rito tomorrow Why the fuck do you want to lynch the town guy 24/7 over the confirmed mafia ritoky. i want you to flip first it will tell me a lot more information rit flipping now will tell me nothing Just play the game and lynch obvious mafia??? It's not difficult to split your reasoning into if i flip town and if i flip mafia is it? Me dying changes absolutely nothing but 1 mislynch closer to losing because you don't want to lynch confirmed mafia first. Stop spamming the same useless nonsense please i know you're better than that i'm trying to think of all possiblities a world where town rit is playing so bad that he shot into a vet or protectee
He's already claimed being rb'd and that he received a notification. How many lies are you going to accept before you realise he's mafia??
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On December 16 2014 08:33 batsnacks wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2014 08:28 Holyflare wrote:On December 16 2014 08:22 batsnacks wrote:On December 16 2014 08:12 Holyflare wrote:On December 16 2014 08:06 batsnacks wrote:On December 16 2014 08:01 Holyflare wrote:On December 16 2014 07:58 batsnacks wrote:On December 16 2014 07:55 Holyflare wrote:On December 16 2014 07:53 batsnacks wrote:On December 16 2014 07:50 Holyflare wrote:
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Anyone saying to kill me before this must be mafia. Absolutely ridiculous that me and ritoky would be mafia together. No it's not ridiculous. There are now 2 scum that didn't vote to save KSC. Yes bussing is cool when a guy is super afk after saying he liked the case on his partner but not the case on me and the people on me. If you want to make me understand that isn't the sentence that's going to do it. Ritoky said he flat out agreed on the case on kelsier when the votes were piling up on him. He went onto gb's case and said he didn't really agree with a lot of the points, I'm more of a ? Than kelsier and that the people on my wagon are suspicious. He literally couldn't do anything else BUT bus kelsier at this point and it wasn't a point at which the votes were 8-7 and switching could save kelsier. It was much before. Yeah he did describe trfel's kelsier case as a "slam dunk" which if he's mafia is a very strange decision considering your and his interaction at the start of the day. He had every reason to vote you... but didn't. Which... I think that actually makes you look way worse. Like I said before given the choice between afk/hospital KSC and not afk/hospital HF, the choice is obvious. I would bus kelsier 10/10 times if that case was made and he was afk. I imagine most people would too. It doesn't matter if i look worse or not. It doesn't change my alignment. Judge me on what I do and not what yoi think mafia ritoky would be thinking at that random point in time. If you think I'm mafia because I'm playing badly and whatever then fine, you're wrong but i won't hate you for it, I'm playing pretty damn suboptimally but the fact of the matter is i called out this fucker yesterday, pushed him non-stop got berated by ALL OF YOU saying it doesn't make ritoky mafia and that we should let him live with a fucking present or whatever when actually I was right and it was by far the right play to just shoot him when i asked obi to n1. You were afk at the end of d2, when the case was made, so there wasn't an opportunity for you to bus him based on that case. And I'm not judging you based on what mafia ritoky would be thinking, I am judging you based on what mafia KSC and what mafia ritoky actually did. I don't think you're playing badly not sure why you'd even say that. I don't think anyone this game, aside from SL, has said you were playing badly and who cares if he thinks that anyway? and you pushing one of your scum buddies is not hard to believe, especially if you thought they were playing suboptimally, which, I think ritoky was playing sub-optimally with all his "presents" stuff as it got him killed. I'm not talking about what i would do. I implied that if i was mafia and saw that case then i would think my team mate would die 100% of the time, especially as loads of people switched at the time and then just bus him. Gb comes along and says rah rah my case is awesome but at that point people had already pointed out the multiple holes in his case and ritoky was one of them and couldn't join the anti mafia train. I am playing badly if I'm even up for consideration of being lynched. Let's just ignore everything but two facts for the purposes of this post: KSC, who was confirmed mafia, did not switch his vote to you despite being in the thread and posting at eod d2. ritoky, who I think is pretty obviously mafia, also did not switch his vote to you despite scum reading you for half the day. None of that has anything to do with how well you played. Both of those things make you scummy. So no, I don't think you're playing badly if you're a probable lynch target. I definitely never said you were playing badly. I never meant to imply it. It's not part of my message.
Ritoky calls me a ? And he doesn't like ppl on my wagon before it even got that close so if he switches he outs himself as mafia when kelsier gets lynched today because i flipped town. Then kelsier dies AND ritoky dies.
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Bus team mate dying and get sweet sweet town cred.
I think it's pretty obvious.
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On December 16 2014 08:34 liancourt wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2014 08:22 batsnacks wrote:On December 16 2014 08:12 Holyflare wrote:On December 16 2014 08:06 batsnacks wrote:On December 16 2014 08:01 Holyflare wrote:On December 16 2014 07:58 batsnacks wrote:On December 16 2014 07:55 Holyflare wrote:On December 16 2014 07:53 batsnacks wrote:On December 16 2014 07:50 Holyflare wrote:On December 10 2014 17:45 Palmar wrote:
Clarification:
Roleblocks, Saves and anything like that are never announced to the player. You will not know if you're roleblocked (although if you have a role you might be able to deduce it) and you will not know if you saved someone or got saved from a KP.
Anyone saying to kill me before this must be mafia. Absolutely ridiculous that me and ritoky would be mafia together. No it's not ridiculous. There are now 2 scum that didn't vote to save KSC. Yes bussing is cool when a guy is super afk after saying he liked the case on his partner but not the case on me and the people on me. If you want to make me understand that isn't the sentence that's going to do it. Ritoky said he flat out agreed on the case on kelsier when the votes were piling up on him. He went onto gb's case and said he didn't really agree with a lot of the points, I'm more of a ? Than kelsier and that the people on my wagon are suspicious. He literally couldn't do anything else BUT bus kelsier at this point and it wasn't a point at which the votes were 8-7 and switching could save kelsier. It was much before. Yeah he did describe trfel's kelsier case as a "slam dunk" which if he's mafia is a very strange decision considering your and his interaction at the start of the day. He had every reason to vote you... but didn't. Which... I think that actually makes you look way worse. Like I said before given the choice between afk/hospital KSC and not afk/hospital HF, the choice is obvious. I would bus kelsier 10/10 times if that case was made and he was afk. I imagine most people would too. It doesn't matter if i look worse or not. It doesn't change my alignment. Judge me on what I do and not what yoi think mafia ritoky would be thinking at that random point in time. If you think I'm mafia because I'm playing badly and whatever then fine, you're wrong but i won't hate you for it, I'm playing pretty damn suboptimally but the fact of the matter is i called out this fucker yesterday, pushed him non-stop got berated by ALL OF YOU saying it doesn't make ritoky mafia and that we should let him live with a fucking present or whatever when actually I was right and it was by far the right play to just shoot him when i asked obi to n1. You were afk at the end of d2, when the case was made, so there wasn't an opportunity for you to bus him based on that case. And I'm not judging you based on what mafia ritoky would be thinking, I am judging you based on what mafia KSC and what mafia ritoky actually did. I don't think you're playing badly not sure why you'd even say that. I don't think anyone this game, aside from SL, has said you were playing badly and who cares if he thinks that anyway? and you pushing one of your scum buddies is not hard to believe, especially if you thought they were playing suboptimally, which, I think ritoky was playing sub-optimally with all his "presents" stuff as it got him killed. omg bats is so town to me yes rit and hf have been playing so so suboptimally. They aren't finding scum and it isn't odd for HF to bus his scum buddies.
I am not playing suboptimally if i called out ritoky n1 at all. I've only had 1 lynch of mine pushed so no idea what you're saying at all. There's bussing and then there's literally begging a team mate to get shot for no reason n1 before all of this present bs that bats is saying i accounted for. No coincidence that i start playing worse the moment i go on holiday is it?
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On December 16 2014 08:41 batsnacks wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2014 08:38 Holyflare wrote:On December 16 2014 08:33 batsnacks wrote:On December 16 2014 08:28 Holyflare wrote:On December 16 2014 08:22 batsnacks wrote:On December 16 2014 08:12 Holyflare wrote:On December 16 2014 08:06 batsnacks wrote:On December 16 2014 08:01 Holyflare wrote:On December 16 2014 07:58 batsnacks wrote:On December 16 2014 07:55 Holyflare wrote:
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Yes bussing is cool when a guy is super afk after saying he liked the case on his partner but not the case on me and the people on me. If you want to make me understand that isn't the sentence that's going to do it. Ritoky said he flat out agreed on the case on kelsier when the votes were piling up on him. He went onto gb's case and said he didn't really agree with a lot of the points, I'm more of a ? Than kelsier and that the people on my wagon are suspicious. He literally couldn't do anything else BUT bus kelsier at this point and it wasn't a point at which the votes were 8-7 and switching could save kelsier. It was much before. Yeah he did describe trfel's kelsier case as a "slam dunk" which if he's mafia is a very strange decision considering your and his interaction at the start of the day. He had every reason to vote you... but didn't. Which... I think that actually makes you look way worse. Like I said before given the choice between afk/hospital KSC and not afk/hospital HF, the choice is obvious. I would bus kelsier 10/10 times if that case was made and he was afk. I imagine most people would too. It doesn't matter if i look worse or not. It doesn't change my alignment. Judge me on what I do and not what yoi think mafia ritoky would be thinking at that random point in time. If you think I'm mafia because I'm playing badly and whatever then fine, you're wrong but i won't hate you for it, I'm playing pretty damn suboptimally but the fact of the matter is i called out this fucker yesterday, pushed him non-stop got berated by ALL OF YOU saying it doesn't make ritoky mafia and that we should let him live with a fucking present or whatever when actually I was right and it was by far the right play to just shoot him when i asked obi to n1. You were afk at the end of d2, when the case was made, so there wasn't an opportunity for you to bus him based on that case. And I'm not judging you based on what mafia ritoky would be thinking, I am judging you based on what mafia KSC and what mafia ritoky actually did. I don't think you're playing badly not sure why you'd even say that. I don't think anyone this game, aside from SL, has said you were playing badly and who cares if he thinks that anyway? and you pushing one of your scum buddies is not hard to believe, especially if you thought they were playing suboptimally, which, I think ritoky was playing sub-optimally with all his "presents" stuff as it got him killed. I'm not talking about what i would do. I implied that if i was mafia and saw that case then i would think my team mate would die 100% of the time, especially as loads of people switched at the time and then just bus him. Gb comes along and says rah rah my case is awesome but at that point people had already pointed out the multiple holes in his case and ritoky was one of them and couldn't join the anti mafia train. I am playing badly if I'm even up for consideration of being lynched. Let's just ignore everything but two facts for the purposes of this post: KSC, who was confirmed mafia, did not switch his vote to you despite being in the thread and posting at eod d2. ritoky, who I think is pretty obviously mafia, also did not switch his vote to you despite scum reading you for half the day. None of that has anything to do with how well you played. Both of those things make you scummy. So no, I don't think you're playing badly if you're a probable lynch target. I definitely never said you were playing badly. I never meant to imply it. It's not part of my message. Ritoky calls me a ? And he doesn't like ppl on my wagon before it even got that close so if he switches he outs himself as mafia when kelsier gets lynched today because i flipped town. Then kelsier dies AND ritoky dies. Or Bus team mate dying and get sweet sweet town cred. I think it's pretty obvious. ritoky is dying because of a very simple mistake. If I wasn't paying very careful attention to the rules, today would have looked a lot different. I probably would not have kept my vote on ritoky if I didn't -know- he lied.
Yes because he fucking picked option 2??? That's literally exactly what I'm saying here as reasons for not switching. This game would look much more different if 2 people switched to me RIGHT at deadline after calling me town all game and also saying his scummy people were on my wagon and I was a? Compared to a slam dunk. That's like giving yourself away
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On December 16 2014 08:45 batsnacks wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2014 08:44 Holyflare wrote:On December 16 2014 08:41 batsnacks wrote:On December 16 2014 08:38 Holyflare wrote:On December 16 2014 08:33 batsnacks wrote:On December 16 2014 08:28 Holyflare wrote:On December 16 2014 08:22 batsnacks wrote:On December 16 2014 08:12 Holyflare wrote:On December 16 2014 08:06 batsnacks wrote:On December 16 2014 08:01 Holyflare wrote:
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Ritoky said he flat out agreed on the case on kelsier when the votes were piling up on him. He went onto gb's case and said he didn't really agree with a lot of the points, I'm more of a ? Than kelsier and that the people on my wagon are suspicious.
He literally couldn't do anything else BUT bus kelsier at this point and it wasn't a point at which the votes were 8-7 and switching could save kelsier. It was much before.
Yeah he did describe trfel's kelsier case as a "slam dunk" which if he's mafia is a very strange decision considering your and his interaction at the start of the day. He had every reason to vote you... but didn't. Which... I think that actually makes you look way worse. Like I said before given the choice between afk/hospital KSC and not afk/hospital HF, the choice is obvious. I would bus kelsier 10/10 times if that case was made and he was afk. I imagine most people would too. It doesn't matter if i look worse or not. It doesn't change my alignment. Judge me on what I do and not what yoi think mafia ritoky would be thinking at that random point in time. If you think I'm mafia because I'm playing badly and whatever then fine, you're wrong but i won't hate you for it, I'm playing pretty damn suboptimally but the fact of the matter is i called out this fucker yesterday, pushed him non-stop got berated by ALL OF YOU saying it doesn't make ritoky mafia and that we should let him live with a fucking present or whatever when actually I was right and it was by far the right play to just shoot him when i asked obi to n1. You were afk at the end of d2, when the case was made, so there wasn't an opportunity for you to bus him based on that case. And I'm not judging you based on what mafia ritoky would be thinking, I am judging you based on what mafia KSC and what mafia ritoky actually did. I don't think you're playing badly not sure why you'd even say that. I don't think anyone this game, aside from SL, has said you were playing badly and who cares if he thinks that anyway? and you pushing one of your scum buddies is not hard to believe, especially if you thought they were playing suboptimally, which, I think ritoky was playing sub-optimally with all his "presents" stuff as it got him killed. I'm not talking about what i would do. I implied that if i was mafia and saw that case then i would think my team mate would die 100% of the time, especially as loads of people switched at the time and then just bus him. Gb comes along and says rah rah my case is awesome but at that point people had already pointed out the multiple holes in his case and ritoky was one of them and couldn't join the anti mafia train. I am playing badly if I'm even up for consideration of being lynched. Let's just ignore everything but two facts for the purposes of this post: KSC, who was confirmed mafia, did not switch his vote to you despite being in the thread and posting at eod d2. ritoky, who I think is pretty obviously mafia, also did not switch his vote to you despite scum reading you for half the day. None of that has anything to do with how well you played. Both of those things make you scummy. So no, I don't think you're playing badly if you're a probable lynch target. I definitely never said you were playing badly. I never meant to imply it. It's not part of my message. Ritoky calls me a ? And he doesn't like ppl on my wagon before it even got that close so if he switches he outs himself as mafia when kelsier gets lynched today because i flipped town. Then kelsier dies AND ritoky dies. Or Bus team mate dying and get sweet sweet town cred. I think it's pretty obvious. ritoky is dying because of a very simple mistake. If I wasn't paying very careful attention to the rules, today would have looked a lot different. I probably would not have kept my vote on ritoky if I didn't -know- he lied. Yes because he fucking picked option 2??? That's literally exactly what I'm saying here as reasons for not switching. This game would look much more different if 2 people switched to me RIGHT at deadline after calling me town all game and also saying his scummy people were on my wagon and I was a? Compared to a slam dunk. That's like giving yourself away Are you trying to say that ritoky was calling you town all game? I'm not like patronizing or whatever but is that actually what you're saying?
Please just learn to read.
Ritoky bobbing along and sees a case that will get his team mate lynched like 90% of the time. Ritoky prepares to bus and says the case is a slam dunk. Ritoky sees people start to critique gb's case at this point in time saying it's not very good etc etc and sees that 3 people he has pushed as mafia that day are on that wagon, he sees that and prepares to give reasons why he'd not be on a town lynch aka avoiding suspicion. If he started to jump on MY wagon and i flipped town the people would look at the voters on me and instantly see that he jumped on a wagon with all his scum reads and ignored all the critiques of gb's case while calling out kelsier as mafia. That is so obviously scummy that he would try to avoid that at all costs. Especially as the vote between me and kelsier wasn't even close until near the deadline. So he leaves his options open. He doesn't actually call me town he critiques gbs case and leaves it open ended so he can still scum read me at a later date when he wouldn't draw as much suspicion to himself because everyone is just lynching me.
If he did switch last minute as soon as i flipped town people would be all over a kelsier wagon today and he'd flip scum and ritoky would look absolutely terrible for switching off someone like kelsier onto town me after saying kelsier was a slam dunk.
You keep thinking like the votes were always 8-7 when they weren't at all.
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On December 16 2014 08:55 sicklucker wrote:
Hf being mass murderer makes sense. Its the only mafia motivation to claim a present so late because if that present helps town we can esentially conform him. So Basically it buys him a day. That being said it totally bought him a day lets not lynch holy its just risking 1kp for a confirmed town even trade.
I don't understand why you're even saying theres a mass murderer now but still implying damdred died to a present n1 which means mafia has held their mass murderer kp for 2 nights according to you.
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On December 16 2014 09:00 batsnacks wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2014 08:55 Holyflare wrote:On December 16 2014 08:45 batsnacks wrote:On December 16 2014 08:44 Holyflare wrote:On December 16 2014 08:41 batsnacks wrote:On December 16 2014 08:38 Holyflare wrote:On December 16 2014 08:33 batsnacks wrote:On December 16 2014 08:28 Holyflare wrote:On December 16 2014 08:22 batsnacks wrote:On December 16 2014 08:12 Holyflare wrote:
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I would bus kelsier 10/10 times if that case was made and he was afk. I imagine most people would too. It doesn't matter if i look worse or not. It doesn't change my alignment. Judge me on what I do and not what yoi think mafia ritoky would be thinking at that random point in time.
If you think I'm mafia because I'm playing badly and whatever then fine, you're wrong but i won't hate you for it, I'm playing pretty damn suboptimally but the fact of the matter is i called out this fucker yesterday, pushed him non-stop got berated by ALL OF YOU saying it doesn't make ritoky mafia and that we should let him live with a fucking present or whatever when actually I was right and it was by far the right play to just shoot him when i asked obi to n1. You were afk at the end of d2, when the case was made, so there wasn't an opportunity for you to bus him based on that case. And I'm not judging you based on what mafia ritoky would be thinking, I am judging you based on what mafia KSC and what mafia ritoky actually did. I don't think you're playing badly not sure why you'd even say that. I don't think anyone this game, aside from SL, has said you were playing badly and who cares if he thinks that anyway? and you pushing one of your scum buddies is not hard to believe, especially if you thought they were playing suboptimally, which, I think ritoky was playing sub-optimally with all his "presents" stuff as it got him killed. I'm not talking about what i would do. I implied that if i was mafia and saw that case then i would think my team mate would die 100% of the time, especially as loads of people switched at the time and then just bus him. Gb comes along and says rah rah my case is awesome but at that point people had already pointed out the multiple holes in his case and ritoky was one of them and couldn't join the anti mafia train. I am playing badly if I'm even up for consideration of being lynched. Let's just ignore everything but two facts for the purposes of this post: KSC, who was confirmed mafia, did not switch his vote to you despite being in the thread and posting at eod d2. ritoky, who I think is pretty obviously mafia, also did not switch his vote to you despite scum reading you for half the day. None of that has anything to do with how well you played. Both of those things make you scummy. So no, I don't think you're playing badly if you're a probable lynch target. I definitely never said you were playing badly. I never meant to imply it. It's not part of my message. Ritoky calls me a ? And he doesn't like ppl on my wagon before it even got that close so if he switches he outs himself as mafia when kelsier gets lynched today because i flipped town. Then kelsier dies AND ritoky dies. Or Bus team mate dying and get sweet sweet town cred. I think it's pretty obvious. ritoky is dying because of a very simple mistake. If I wasn't paying very careful attention to the rules, today would have looked a lot different. I probably would not have kept my vote on ritoky if I didn't -know- he lied. Yes because he fucking picked option 2??? That's literally exactly what I'm saying here as reasons for not switching. This game would look much more different if 2 people switched to me RIGHT at deadline after calling me town all game and also saying his scummy people were on my wagon and I was a? Compared to a slam dunk. That's like giving yourself away Are you trying to say that ritoky was calling you town all game? I'm not like patronizing or whatever but is that actually what you're saying? Please just learn to read. Ritoky bobbing along and sees a case that will get his team mate lynched like 90% of the time. Ritoky prepares to bus and says the case is a slam dunk. Ritoky sees people start to critique gb's case at this point in time saying it's not very good etc etc and sees that 3 people he has pushed as mafia that day are on that wagon, he sees that and prepares to give reasons why he'd not be on a town lynch aka avoiding suspicion. If he started to jump on MY wagon and i flipped town the people would look at the voters on me and instantly see that he jumped on a wagon with all his scum reads and ignored all the critiques of gb's case while calling out kelsier as mafia. That is so obviously scummy that he would try to avoid that at all costs. Especially as the vote between me and kelsier wasn't even close until near the deadline. So he leaves his options open. He doesn't actually call me town he critiques gbs case and leaves it open ended so he can still scum read me at a later date when he wouldn't draw as much suspicion to himself because everyone is just lynching me. If he did switch last minute as soon as i flipped town people would be all over a kelsier wagon today and he'd flip scum and ritoky would look absolutely terrible for switching off someone like kelsier onto town me after saying kelsier was a slam dunk. You keep thinking like the votes were always 8-7 when they weren't at all. HF I really don't appreciate stuff like bolded when I'm trying to have a serious discussion with you. It makes me think you're not taking it seriously, which in turn makes me not take you seriously. I see a lot of "if you were town" in what you just wrote. "if HF is town" is not one of the conditionals I'm operating under right now.
Then stop trying to have a fucking discussion with me if you aren't going to listen. You're literally just saying you are having a discussion with me for no reason if you are saying there's no conditional for me being town. I've posted the above like 4 times and it's frustrating that you aren't listening.
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On December 16 2014 09:03 liancourt wrote:
scum HF causing disarray in town
Just fuck off seriously you're actually worse than gb today with your one track mindedness and that's saying something.
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On December 16 2014 09:08 sicklucker wrote:
Im saying if ritoky flips mafia that it should clear gb for everyone I dont think you can dispute my logic. I feel better about this lynch now since we can confirm someone high on everyones lynch list.
If they are mafia together...? Like i said yesterday and you said was silly for no reason?? They just pass it between each other? Gb passed it to his null read after all.
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On December 16 2014 09:11 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2014 09:06 sicklucker wrote:
Actually wait it makes sense if gb is town which I think is still probably true.
The only way a mafia would mention they have a present is if a town sent it to them and they know they will be under suspicion if they dont use it.
So ok gb town ritoky mafia makes sense lets do this. I think you are very good at not seeing all the angles. Like, for instance, how someone can just pass a present on. Deliberately obtuse or oblivious? Anyone else curious about SL's gift for making definitive WIFOM statements at every opportunity? Or that he never, ever, ever expresses a single doubt about GB? Paranoia, my friend, is a town trait. And you had it in spades last time I played with you.
Absolutely ridiculous assumptions all game about mass murderers/death presents /nk's /alignments yes
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On December 16 2014 09:12 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2014 09:11 rsoultin wrote:On December 16 2014 09:06 sicklucker wrote:
Actually wait it makes sense if gb is town which I think is still probably true.
The only way a mafia would mention they have a present is if a town sent it to them and they know they will be under suspicion if they dont use it.
So ok gb town ritoky mafia makes sense lets do this. I think you are very good at not seeing all the angles. Like, for instance, how someone can just pass a present on. Deliberately obtuse or oblivious? Anyone else curious about SL's gift for making definitive WIFOM statements at every opportunity? Or that he never, ever, ever expresses a single doubt about GB? Paranoia, my friend, is a town trait. And you had it in spades last time I played with you. Absolutely ridiculous assumptions all game about mass murderers/death presents /nk's /alignments yes
Can you link me this other game please
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On December 16 2014 09:16 rsoultin wrote:
I do actually have a case...ironically with more than just a few points and only town gives town presents argument. Are people willing to entertain a case against GB or should I reserve it for the night phase, before I'm possibly shot at again?
May as well post as much discussion as possible
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On December 16 2014 09:16 sicklucker wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2014 09:11 Holyflare wrote:On December 16 2014 09:08 sicklucker wrote:
Im saying if ritoky flips mafia that it should clear gb for everyone I dont think you can dispute my logic. I feel better about this lynch now since we can confirm someone high on everyones lynch list. If they are mafia together...? Like i said yesterday and you said was silly for no reason?? They just pass it between each other? Gb passed it to his null read after all. But they dont say they have the present there is 0 mafia motivation to say he has it. (look it got him killed) So the only way a mafia ritoky would bring it up is if he received it from a town who will suspect him if he doesint use it. In this case ritoky realized gb has him in a corner so comes out and says he has it so the roleblocker will make his kp useless and he will never have to use his present to help town or look scummy.. Ritoky could totally have a kp for mafia. (he probably sent it to someone else) we should kill him
No because i told people to shoot ritoky, i looked super towny at that point and there was an exceedingly high chance he would die. Claiming the present opening was a perfect way to not be shot at or to survive a day like you're saying i am and for him to try and wifom me off of himself. If he had the kp like you say he could have just shot at any lurker that was town and then been done with it and claim he was trying to help. He either has no present with kp and is mafia or actually is just fucking retarded.
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On December 16 2014 09:20 sicklucker wrote:
Actually ritoky cant still have the present. Its either gone for real if hes town, or he sent it to his mafia team mate (cough cough hf) That could tottaly explain why hf is stalling with that other bad present. omg maybe we have to kill him first lol!
Stalling with the present i gave away...?
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I literally have no idea what you ever say and how you even come up with this circular logic. You're like tube but he actually has coherent reasons.
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On December 16 2014 09:25 Tubesock wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2014 09:12 Holyflare wrote:On December 16 2014 09:11 rsoultin wrote:On December 16 2014 09:06 sicklucker wrote:
Actually wait it makes sense if gb is town which I think is still probably true.
The only way a mafia would mention they have a present is if a town sent it to them and they know they will be under suspicion if they dont use it.
So ok gb town ritoky mafia makes sense lets do this. I think you are very good at not seeing all the angles. Like, for instance, how someone can just pass a present on. Deliberately obtuse or oblivious? Anyone else curious about SL's gift for making definitive WIFOM statements at every opportunity? Or that he never, ever, ever expresses a single doubt about GB? Paranoia, my friend, is a town trait. And you had it in spades last time I played with you. Absolutely ridiculous assumptions all game about mass murderers/death presents /nk's /alignments yes So, why is your vote on Ritoky for 1 scum action while Sicklucker has only done scummy or bad towny things for DAYS? Why are we allowing that? How about we either wagon HF or Sick, if they turn town then wagon Ritoky or me tomorrow?
This is where the crux of your argument falls apart.
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On December 16 2014 09:30 Tubesock wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2014 09:27 Holyflare wrote:On December 16 2014 09:25 Tubesock wrote:On December 16 2014 09:12 Holyflare wrote:On December 16 2014 09:11 rsoultin wrote:On December 16 2014 09:06 sicklucker wrote:
Actually wait it makes sense if gb is town which I think is still probably true.
The only way a mafia would mention they have a present is if a town sent it to them and they know they will be under suspicion if they dont use it.
So ok gb town ritoky mafia makes sense lets do this. I think you are very good at not seeing all the angles. Like, for instance, how someone can just pass a present on. Deliberately obtuse or oblivious? Anyone else curious about SL's gift for making definitive WIFOM statements at every opportunity? Or that he never, ever, ever expresses a single doubt about GB? Paranoia, my friend, is a town trait. And you had it in spades last time I played with you. Absolutely ridiculous assumptions all game about mass murderers/death presents /nk's /alignments yes So, why is your vote on Ritoky for 1 scum action while Sicklucker has only done scummy or bad towny things for DAYS? Why are we allowing that? How about we either wagon HF or Sick, if they turn town then wagon Ritoky or me tomorrow? This is where the crux of your argument falls apart. Not really. I've made it pretty clear that Sick is playing his role perfectly. For some reason most all of you think it's just him playing bad. He's not playing bad. I'm saying lynch him as even if he is town he isn't helping town. Lynch him. But only after you HF. 
His reasoning is so terrible that i find it hard to believe that someone so intelligent and playing so "perfectly" would ever make them. It's likely he's just bad at thinking and town or bad at thinking and mafia. None of what you have said picks them apart. Only soul has just brought up something valid about sl's past game now.
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On December 16 2014 09:35 Tubesock wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2014 09:33 Holyflare wrote:On December 16 2014 09:30 Tubesock wrote:On December 16 2014 09:27 Holyflare wrote:On December 16 2014 09:25 Tubesock wrote:On December 16 2014 09:12 Holyflare wrote:On December 16 2014 09:11 rsoultin wrote:On December 16 2014 09:06 sicklucker wrote:
Actually wait it makes sense if gb is town which I think is still probably true.
The only way a mafia would mention they have a present is if a town sent it to them and they know they will be under suspicion if they dont use it.
So ok gb town ritoky mafia makes sense lets do this. I think you are very good at not seeing all the angles. Like, for instance, how someone can just pass a present on. Deliberately obtuse or oblivious? Anyone else curious about SL's gift for making definitive WIFOM statements at every opportunity? Or that he never, ever, ever expresses a single doubt about GB? Paranoia, my friend, is a town trait. And you had it in spades last time I played with you. Absolutely ridiculous assumptions all game about mass murderers/death presents /nk's /alignments yes So, why is your vote on Ritoky for 1 scum action while Sicklucker has only done scummy or bad towny things for DAYS? Why are we allowing that? How about we either wagon HF or Sick, if they turn town then wagon Ritoky or me tomorrow? This is where the crux of your argument falls apart. Not really. I've made it pretty clear that Sick is playing his role perfectly. For some reason most all of you think it's just him playing bad. He's not playing bad. I'm saying lynch him as even if he is town he isn't helping town. Lynch him. But only after you HF. His reasoning is so terrible that i find it hard to believe that someone so intelligent and playing so "perfectly" would ever make them. It's likely he's just bad at thinking and town or bad at thinking and mafia. None of what you have said picks them apart. Only soul has just brought up something valid about sl's past game now. So, you're saying he is too scummy to be scum?
No I'm saying his logic is too dumb to be so open and closed as scum like you are suggesting but it doesn't make him town or mafia. None of what you are saying makes any sense whatsoever. If you wanted to convince people do what rsoul said and show how he's not that stupid as town in other games and this is entirely his mafia agenda this game otherwise you are just biased and tunneled.
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On December 16 2014 09:38 sicklucker wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2014 09:25 Holyflare wrote:
I literally have no idea what you ever say and how you even come up with this circular logic. You're like tube but he actually has coherent reasons. You cant possibly believe this, is this a confession?
This post explains my mindset perfectly. Thank you.
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