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On December 14 2014 04:23 batsnacks wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2014 04:16 Tubesock wrote:On December 14 2014 04:11 batsnacks wrote:On December 14 2014 04:06 Tubesock wrote:
EBWOP: mistypes
Bats, you're sort of on the right track. In this game NO the gifts are CLEARLY RANDOM there are no roles that get gifts to give. I'm saying SICKLUCKER is being VERY smart. He knows there are at least 3 things that make his intro scummy. It's so scummy he intro'd TWICE (Hey guys I'm so JOYFUL). I'll repeat that. His first 2 posts in this game were a Joyful Child claim.
Why did we discard this? Oh it's too scummy to be scum, it's just such a stupid play. Well, it's worked. I'm trying to understand what you're saying. SL thought that only joyful children got presents. He spent a -long- time not understanding that presents were random. I think he actually thought he had a special role... he even said that he didn't understand named VTs. What I am saying is that by accepting that explanation, you are saying he is stupid. Are you saying he's stupid? Tell me how that is anything but amazingly stupid play? And that you actually think he is that stupid? We spend all this effort finding the BEST lynch and it's always the one we think is the best PLAYER because we think they are the ones that contribute to mafia the most. IT's not, it's the ones who survives. He is going to outlive us all. I am not saying SL is stupid. I'm saying he misunderstood something... and there is plenty of evidence that suggests he did. SL also over thinks stuff a lot. I can easily see SL taking one basic misunderstanding way too far. That's what I think looks like happened. You're basing your strongest scum read on something that can be explained easily by one simple misunderstanding. You're pretty much betting your life in the game on that. AND EVEN IF SL IS SCUM he isn't going to get lynched today. Find a better place for your vote.
Yes, I am shooting the moon if you didn't notice. I AM RIGHT. Lynch me, I flip town, take heed maybe you will lynch your favorite from my 6. which i will publish soon. He will flip mafia. Keep going till I'm wrong.
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Actually, hold up. I misread that.
I swear I can't read to save my life this game.
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I have 4.5 hours and I'm laying it all on the line. Help me man. Come on, how many times do I need to ask you to assume SICKLUCKER IS OUTPLAYING ALL OF YOU!!!?!?!?!
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On December 14 2014 04:25 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2014 04:23 rsoultin wrote:
I agree that Tubesock is town. I think he's wrong, but I think he's town.
Trfel anyone? No. Consolidate on HF
You are right, but SIcklucker is WAY MORE DANGEROUS. Did you reread page 102? It's but one page. See how he is setting you up? See how he is protecting your target?
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On December 14 2014 04:29 Tubesock wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2014 04:23 batsnacks wrote:On December 14 2014 04:16 Tubesock wrote:On December 14 2014 04:11 batsnacks wrote:On December 14 2014 04:06 Tubesock wrote:
EBWOP: mistypes
Bats, you're sort of on the right track. In this game NO the gifts are CLEARLY RANDOM there are no roles that get gifts to give. I'm saying SICKLUCKER is being VERY smart. He knows there are at least 3 things that make his intro scummy. It's so scummy he intro'd TWICE (Hey guys I'm so JOYFUL). I'll repeat that. His first 2 posts in this game were a Joyful Child claim.
Why did we discard this? Oh it's too scummy to be scum, it's just such a stupid play. Well, it's worked. I'm trying to understand what you're saying. SL thought that only joyful children got presents. He spent a -long- time not understanding that presents were random. I think he actually thought he had a special role... he even said that he didn't understand named VTs. What I am saying is that by accepting that explanation, you are saying he is stupid. Are you saying he's stupid? Tell me how that is anything but amazingly stupid play? And that you actually think he is that stupid? We spend all this effort finding the BEST lynch and it's always the one we think is the best PLAYER because we think they are the ones that contribute to mafia the most. IT's not, it's the ones who survives. He is going to outlive us all. I am not saying SL is stupid. I'm saying he misunderstood something... and there is plenty of evidence that suggests he did. SL also over thinks stuff a lot. I can easily see SL taking one basic misunderstanding way too far. That's what I think looks like happened. You're basing your strongest scum read on something that can be explained easily by one simple misunderstanding. You're pretty much betting your life in the game on that. AND EVEN IF SL IS SCUM he isn't going to get lynched today. Find a better place for your vote. Yes, I am shooting the moon if you didn't notice. I AM RIGHT. Lynch me, I flip town, take heed maybe you will lynch your favorite from my 6. which i will publish soon. He will flip mafia. Keep going till I'm wrong.
Don't martyr its bad and will get you lynched.
I don't even think you're mafia.
Could you please take your head out of your ass and help town if you're town? Killing yourself isn't going to help us. No one is going to pay special attention to what you wrote before just because you flipped town.
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You do realize, Tube, that just because you are mislynched (which, yes, I think that is what is happening here, so all of you on tube, ask your questions and consider your vote carefully) doesn't mean that all your reads are right? Or that you've been targeted by mafia because your reads are right? It just means people thought you were scum.
It's cool that you're laying things on the line, but can you talk to any of the other votes going on?
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Tube, I've just proved you're wrong. I'm starting to doubt my read on you now that you keep pushing this matter.
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When you read page 102, just read it with the assumption that SICKLUCKER is playing perfect, and that you know GlowingBear is town. It doesn't have to be in the context of this game. Just the page. Can you see how and how Sick is protecting? Who he is pushing to die? Especially when the rest of the game discards his play as "an honest misunderstanding"?
It's just a little step.
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bah, can you see who and how Sick is protecting and pushing to die? In the context of JUST that page?
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I agree, I don't really want to lynch Tubesock here. And yes, I realize that makes me a potential #2 in line. I think that we can find something better before the deadline.
I saw your question, rsoultin. I'm reading over Holyflare's filter again, then I'll get to ritoky's filter. I'll post conclusions when I am finished.
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On December 14 2014 04:36 Tubesock wrote:
bah, can you see who and how Sick is protecting and pushing to die? In the context of JUST that page?
Sick thinks GB and ritoky are town. He thinks I'm scum. He can't do that as town? (By the way, he has since changed his read on me. Maybe I'm mafia now  ) His reasoning is flawed, but his opinion mirrors many others' in the thread. I'm not going to push SL just to try to validate my reads on GB and ritoky.
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Tubesock you should claim right now.
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First, I don't expect anyone to really dig into what I saw until we lose a few more towns and have 0 mafia kills.
I do absolutely think I can be wrong. This is why I'm hoping and asking for help, if people don't see what I see and have asked many times, then it's not right. But, my reads have slightly changed. I'm replacing GB, in my published 4 (temp, kel, sick and GB) and my 5th changed and found my 6th. But before I say, I think I need people to try more to see from my eyes. When they do, they will understand more.
It's just like my interaction with Slam. He had no interest in me. I showed him I had something he wanted. Unfortunately, he (and the rest of you) thought I personally attacked him. I did not. I was seeing if we saw eye to eye. Now, I think he sees that I wasn't at all insulting him. Not one bit.
Specifically, aviation isn't like professional sports, the best pilots are not necessarily the best pilots. Amateurs and professionals are equal. We are all pilots. I think Slam would agree.
So, I need to figure out how to convey my thoughts on who I think are mafia. Unless I do that, then no matter what I say will be useless. Absolutely useless.
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Why the fuck are Vivax/Oats wasting their votes?
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Where should be my votes going cos no one seems to give a damn about kel
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On December 14 2014 04:36 Trfel wrote:
I agree, I don't really want to lynch Tubesock here. And yes, I realize that makes me a potential #2 in line. I think that we can find something better before the deadline.
I saw your question, rsoultin. I'm reading over Holyflare's filter again, then I'll get to ritoky's filter. I'll post conclusions when I am finished.
HF is scum, but his play is flawless and absolutely brilliant. You can only catch him if you see the big picture. Or at least a part of it.
Read my last page or two of filter. Read the longer posts that only have normal tone in them. If it's cryptic or whatever it's not very useful, I try to explain most things. Look for what I think about temp's RNG play and Kelsier's role in it. Then read pages 14- 18. IF you look at it and think that everypost is perfectly played by Temp, Kel, Froggy, and Sick can you see any pattern?
What do you think Sick gains from his entrance? What did he gain? Total and complete irrelavance. He's not anyone's target. Tell me a better mafia strategy. Think about how well it's working. Think about how well it's manipulating things.
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Like Vivax was talking about having a waypoint in a huge group of scumreads, in yet he ends up voting on Oats because of lousy NK analysis and isn't even trying to push his lynch.
He's straight up throwing his vote away and isn't doing anything. This game is a disaster and he isn't doing anything to fix it. It's driving me mad.
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On December 14 2014 04:47 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Why the fuck are Vivax/Oats wasting their votes?
THANK YOU I CAN READ YOU AS TOWN NOW
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Meh this is turning into a mess.
GB thinks HF <- see his reasons. I don't agree with them and won't explain them correctly, and he should have a say if he really believes that
I think Trfel <- He's been given enough leeway and lurking is drastically different from the way I've seen him play (plus my other scum reads are not getting lynched any more than kel is)
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Obi, trust me. Vote for holyflare.
Trust me please.
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EPT
