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Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
December 13 2014 12:27 GMT
#2181
Hm, Froggy. Not looking that good but he did notice Tube's slip so if Tube is scum, Froggy is probably not.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
December 13 2014 12:34 GMT
#2182
On December 13 2014 21:07 Tubesock wrote:
Oats, are you making fun of me now?

I didnt see that part my bad.

Seems odd that you think both ksc and gb are scum.
No gg, No skill.
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
December 13 2014 12:35 GMT
#2183
On December 13 2014 21:21 Xatalos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 13 2014 16:10 Oatsmaster wrote:
On December 13 2014 15:38 Vivax wrote:
On December 13 2014 15:36 Oatsmaster wrote:
How is nk analysis even relevant?

Its straight up speculation. Look at how many other reads the dead people have.

Fecal has more posts than like 50% of the game.

Come on Vivax/hf other bad people.


This post looks so mafia to me right now.

Do I care?
no.

Trefel or Froggy is it today.
Actually do I prefer trefel?
Yes yes i do.

##unvote
##vote Trefel



Could you explain why you want to lynch him?

changed my mind.
But then he stopped.

Why do people do this man.
No gg, No skill.
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
December 13 2014 12:43 GMT
#2184
On December 13 2014 21:35 Oatsmaster wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 13 2014 21:21 Xatalos wrote:
On December 13 2014 16:10 Oatsmaster wrote:
On December 13 2014 15:38 Vivax wrote:
On December 13 2014 15:36 Oatsmaster wrote:
How is nk analysis even relevant?

Its straight up speculation. Look at how many other reads the dead people have.

Fecal has more posts than like 50% of the game.

Come on Vivax/hf other bad people.


This post looks so mafia to me right now.

Do I care?
no.

Trefel or Froggy is it today.
Actually do I prefer trefel?
Yes yes i do.

##unvote
##vote Trefel



Could you explain why you want to lynch him?

changed my mind.
But then he stopped.

Why do people do this man.


What does this mean?
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Tubesock
Profile Joined April 2011
United States2726 Posts
December 13 2014 12:46 GMT
#2185
On December 13 2014 21:21 Xatalos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 13 2014 16:10 Oatsmaster wrote:
On December 13 2014 15:38 Vivax wrote:
On December 13 2014 15:36 Oatsmaster wrote:
How is nk analysis even relevant?

Its straight up speculation. Look at how many other reads the dead people have.

Fecal has more posts than like 50% of the game.

Come on Vivax/hf other bad people.


This post looks so mafia to me right now.

Do I care?
no.

Trefel or Froggy is it today.
Actually do I prefer trefel?
Yes yes i do.

##unvote
##vote Trefel



Could you explain why you want to lynch him?


Oats is making fun of me for my batshit crazy posts. His post is Foggy.
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
December 13 2014 12:49 GMT
#2186
On December 13 2014 21:46 Tubesock wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 13 2014 21:21 Xatalos wrote:
On December 13 2014 16:10 Oatsmaster wrote:
On December 13 2014 15:38 Vivax wrote:
On December 13 2014 15:36 Oatsmaster wrote:
How is nk analysis even relevant?

Its straight up speculation. Look at how many other reads the dead people have.

Fecal has more posts than like 50% of the game.

Come on Vivax/hf other bad people.


This post looks so mafia to me right now.

Do I care?
no.

Trefel or Froggy is it today.
Actually do I prefer trefel?
Yes yes i do.

##unvote
##vote Trefel



Could you explain why you want to lynch him?


Oats is making fun of me for my batshit crazy posts. His post is Foggy.


Foggy?

Also I'd like to see understandable explanations for your reads.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
December 13 2014 12:55 GMT
#2187
On December 13 2014 21:43 Xatalos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 13 2014 21:35 Oatsmaster wrote:
On December 13 2014 21:21 Xatalos wrote:
On December 13 2014 16:10 Oatsmaster wrote:
On December 13 2014 15:38 Vivax wrote:
On December 13 2014 15:36 Oatsmaster wrote:
How is nk analysis even relevant?

Its straight up speculation. Look at how many other reads the dead people have.

Fecal has more posts than like 50% of the game.

Come on Vivax/hf other bad people.


This post looks so mafia to me right now.

Do I care?
no.

Trefel or Froggy is it today.
Actually do I prefer trefel?
Yes yes i do.

##unvote
##vote Trefel



Could you explain why you want to lynch him?

changed my mind.
But then he stopped.

Why do people do this man.


What does this mean?

I changed my mind because of something he was doing, basically looking interested in the game and looking intentional in his posts, but then he went away.

Why do people do this man.
No gg, No skill.
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
December 13 2014 12:55 GMT
#2188
Why is your read on me so waffley?
No gg, No skill.
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
December 13 2014 12:55 GMT
#2189
On December 13 2014 21:46 Tubesock wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 13 2014 21:21 Xatalos wrote:
On December 13 2014 16:10 Oatsmaster wrote:
On December 13 2014 15:38 Vivax wrote:
On December 13 2014 15:36 Oatsmaster wrote:
How is nk analysis even relevant?

Its straight up speculation. Look at how many other reads the dead people have.

Fecal has more posts than like 50% of the game.

Come on Vivax/hf other bad people.


This post looks so mafia to me right now.

Do I care?
no.

Trefel or Froggy is it today.
Actually do I prefer trefel?
Yes yes i do.

##unvote
##vote Trefel



Could you explain why you want to lynch him?


Oats is making fun of me for my batshit crazy posts. His post is Foggy.

IM NOT
No gg, No skill.
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
December 13 2014 13:00 GMT
#2190
Dunno what you mean with that. Basically I think you look slightly better than FF, which isn't a great achievement. Shape up if you're town.

So why is your vote still on him and what specifically makes you think Froggy is scum?
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Tubesock
Profile Joined April 2011
United States2726 Posts
December 13 2014 13:09 GMT
#2191
On December 13 2014 21:55 Oatsmaster wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 13 2014 21:46 Tubesock wrote:
On December 13 2014 21:21 Xatalos wrote:
On December 13 2014 16:10 Oatsmaster wrote:
On December 13 2014 15:38 Vivax wrote:
On December 13 2014 15:36 Oatsmaster wrote:
How is nk analysis even relevant?

Its straight up speculation. Look at how many other reads the dead people have.

Fecal has more posts than like 50% of the game.

Come on Vivax/hf other bad people.


This post looks so mafia to me right now.

Do I care?
no.

Trefel or Froggy is it today.
Actually do I prefer trefel?
Yes yes i do.

##unvote
##vote Trefel



Could you explain why you want to lynch him?


Oats is making fun of me for my batshit crazy posts. His post is Foggy.

IM NOT


I read you solid town since I before I went nuclear. I thought you might be trying to tease me with your trfl or Froggy post and thought it was funny. I DO however think that we need to know what both Trfl and Froggy flip, BUT I think we should flip Froggy first.

I think reading this game looking at each individual for scummy play is incorrect. I think it's more finding a strategy as there is a solid case on EVERYONE. The only actual evidence we have is after they die. So, really, town looks for motive while mafia tries to hide.
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
December 13 2014 13:17 GMT
#2192
Oh wait. Your vote is on Vivax now. That's even dumber though since you didn't even scumread him.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
December 13 2014 13:36 GMT
#2193
On December 13 2014 22:17 Xatalos wrote:
Oh wait. Your vote is on Vivax now. That's even dumber though since you didn't even scumread him.

i did man, come on read my shit.
No gg, No skill.
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
December 13 2014 13:36 GMT
#2194
On December 13 2014 22:00 Xatalos wrote:
Dunno what you mean with that. Basically I think you look slightly better than FF, which isn't a great achievement. Shape up if you're town.

So why is your vote still on him and what specifically makes you think Froggy is scum?

I mean you say you kinda not wanna lynch me and kinda wanna lynch me.

Make up your mind, am I town or scum?
No gg, No skill.
froggynoddy
Profile Joined February 2011
United Kingdom452 Posts
December 13 2014 13:37 GMT
#2195
Apologies for delay (ironically office xmas party last night gone messy)

On December 12 2014 22:53 The_Templar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 12 2014 22:50 froggynoddy wrote:
[Am reading through the thread and responding to what I see - hence disjointed structure]

I don't like the ritocky vote. When the NB wagon was going he was the only one to really try and pressure two other players. This feels town to me (as NB flipped town herself). Declaring he was opening the present is stupid, not scummy (as far as I understand the mechanic of preseent opening.

--------------------------------------------

On December 12 2014 08:58 GlowingBear wrote:
Who was masoned with kita?

Time to claim.


This has already been answered in the thread. I don't like that you are asking this straight up. I personally think its way too early to role claim. We need to lynch properly and then consider day 3.

--------------------------------------------

The templar is definitely scum. All his posts so far have been sensible yet have given nothing of value. He has not pushed or. Oats would also be a good lynch but would prefer templar.

--------------------------------------------

On December 12 2014 11:05 sicklucker wrote:
On December 12 2014 10:37 Tubesock wrote:
On December 12 2014 09:53 Alakaslam wrote:


##kelsierSC

Yes


YES.


He is of the 5.



Holy slip batman!

##Vote: Tubesock

What do you think about Tubesock's recent play concerning me?


Apologies for delay (ironically office xmas party last night gone messy)

On December 13 2014 01:54 Alakaslam wrote:
Frog what are you doing


I'm here for next 3 hours.

+ Show Spoiler +
On December 13 2014 06:18 Tubesock wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 10 2014 00:10 Tubesock wrote:

Also I think people should read this more closely from the OP:

On December 04 2014 19:32 Palmar wrote:
Setup Information


All the roles below can be present in the game, and no role has any sort of a guarantee that it exists in the game. There may for example be three Ghosts of Christmas Yet To Come, no other Ghosts and no Scrooge, yet Marley might be present. In the same sense, there may be Disgruntled Christmas Workers without any Santas or Branch Managers. There may also be multiple instances of the same role.



It appears that given bad enough RNG we could have 6 Marlows, or 6 Mass Murderers, or 0.




I haven't seen any post that gives the ratio of mafia to town for this game. But I'm assuming since the two newby games that peaked my interest were 10/3 and we have 26 we have 6 mafia in this game. I have 5 scum that I will gladly take a lynching to show that maybe I am on the right track. I've called out 3 of them at the end of night one. They all appeared and instead of ignoring me like I feel many were, they took it more seriously. Sicklucker is really pushing this 5 thing. Templar too. Sicklucker tries to vote me to pressure but I ignore it till Templar does comes to lend a hand. If my thoughts on this are correct then Templar thought I was a strong enough threat to support Sick in pressuring me. To me this solidifies their relationship.

On D1 I saw that Damdred lightly called bs on Templar's RNG. I don't know how you would rig it, but I am sure a smart person can. It seems he would only have 20 minutes to be able to figure out who to rig it to, how to rig it, and how to generally take advantage of this. Later in the game, on one of my first few posts I questioned GlowingBear on what I thought was strange behavior of Templar's list. If he responded I didn't see it.

Later I challanged Kelsier on his flirting with Bunnies. His response to me I thought was strange telling me to grow up. I guess I expected a "I'm pushing the thread" or an "I'm gathering reads from...". Nope, he says I need to grow up. Huh.

I noticed a pattern with Templar and Kelsier that I didn't really notice with others. GlowingBear and Holyfire challenge Templar a little on his reads and not hunting. Templar responds with "I do have reads, see: Kita, Ninja, Froggy". 6 minutes later, Templar asks Kelsier about something, and Kelsier responds with "I don't like the explanation." 2 minutes after that Templar defends Kelsier again and leaves.

Damdred dying led more credence to his RNG claim. Without that, it's pretty ridiculous. I'm certainly not smart enough to do it, but is Templar and the rest smart enough? If someone looks at the RNG claim, it's pretty easy to see that there is a relationship with Templar and Kelsier. Demdred and I are the only ones with any breadcrumbs that lead to a Templar and Kelsier relationship. Who would be more important to kill to stop that trail?





re bolded - we just took a spanking night 1. If you are town why would you sacrifice yourself to make a point!?! My vote stays (though I like GB's read on HF).

'better still, a satisfied man'
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
December 13 2014 13:38 GMT
#2196
On December 13 2014 22:09 Tubesock wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 13 2014 21:55 Oatsmaster wrote:
On December 13 2014 21:46 Tubesock wrote:
On December 13 2014 21:21 Xatalos wrote:
On December 13 2014 16:10 Oatsmaster wrote:
On December 13 2014 15:38 Vivax wrote:
On December 13 2014 15:36 Oatsmaster wrote:
How is nk analysis even relevant?

Its straight up speculation. Look at how many other reads the dead people have.

Fecal has more posts than like 50% of the game.

Come on Vivax/hf other bad people.


This post looks so mafia to me right now.

Do I care?
no.

Trefel or Froggy is it today.
Actually do I prefer trefel?
Yes yes i do.

##unvote
##vote Trefel



Could you explain why you want to lynch him?


Oats is making fun of me for my batshit crazy posts. His post is Foggy.

IM NOT


I read you solid town since I before I went nuclear. I thought you might be trying to tease me with your trfl or Froggy post and thought it was funny. I DO however think that we need to know what both Trfl and Froggy flip, BUT I think we should flip Froggy first.

I think reading this game looking at each individual for scummy play is incorrect. I think it's more finding a strategy as there is a solid case on EVERYONE. The only actual evidence we have is after they die. So, really, town looks for motive while mafia tries to hide.

Why do you feel like trefels and froggy's alignment are connected to the others?
No gg, No skill.
froggynoddy
Profile Joined February 2011
United Kingdom452 Posts
December 13 2014 13:39 GMT
#2197
EBWOP: My brain isnt working - should say:

On December 12 2014 22:53 The_Templar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 12 2014 22:50 froggynoddy wrote:
[Am reading through the thread and responding to what I see - hence disjointed structure]

I don't like the ritocky vote. When the NB wagon was going he was the only one to really try and pressure two other players. This feels town to me (as NB flipped town herself). Declaring he was opening the present is stupid, not scummy (as far as I understand the mechanic of preseent opening.

--------------------------------------------

On December 12 2014 08:58 GlowingBear wrote:
Who was masoned with kita?

Time to claim.


This has already been answered in the thread. I don't like that you are asking this straight up. I personally think its way too early to role claim. We need to lynch properly and then consider day 3.

--------------------------------------------

The templar is definitely scum. All his posts so far have been sensible yet have given nothing of value. He has not pushed or. Oats would also be a good lynch but would prefer templar.

--------------------------------------------

On December 12 2014 11:05 sicklucker wrote:
On December 12 2014 10:37 Tubesock wrote:
On December 12 2014 09:53 Alakaslam wrote:


##kelsierSC

Yes


YES.


He is of the 5.



Holy slip batman!

##Vote: Tubesock

What do you think about Tubesock's recent play concerning me?



WIFOM
'better still, a satisfied man'
froggynoddy
Profile Joined February 2011
United Kingdom452 Posts
December 13 2014 13:45 GMT
#2198
On December 13 2014 09:55 GlowingBear wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 10 2014 00:11 Holyflare wrote:
2 people haven't posted in this game at all yet, useful -.-

Oats, your post on vivax is wrong and your post refuting that wasn't in any english I could understand.

Ls looks not bad to me, dunno why people are hating on him giving all the meta when loads of other people do the same. Ritoky seems angry for some reason because of this??

Obi still being useless, just because he was useless last game (russian) as town doesn't stop him being able to be useless this game as mafia. It just means he's useless which increases the odds of him being mafia.

Kush.. Meh will resolve itself i think

Gb hasn't really done anything but hasn't done anything outrageously wrong like I'd expect him to as town but his picking on solely koshi and like nothing else is wearing thin and is pretty scummy

I dunno feel kinda iffy about hts after reading the things about kush feels a bit too flippant

New list oats, obi, (gb?) bunnies
Mehhhhbe/mehhhhbe not: hts, kush



Seriously guys. I haven't seen such and inconsistency game from holyflare.


I'm not necessarily saying you're wrong but explain to me why inconsistency = scum
'better still, a satisfied man'
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
December 13 2014 13:54 GMT
#2199
Oats: Well you said you were "rethinking" him. Seems odd to vote for him instead of your scumread, no?

Haven't yet come to a conclusion about you. You'd be around in the same category as Slam or Trfel in likelihood of a being scum (close to null). Do you seriously think I wouldn't be glad to lynch someone like you/Slam/Trfel as scum? I'm just saying things as they are.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
The_Templar
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
your Country52798 Posts
December 13 2014 13:54 GMT
#2200
On December 13 2014 12:25 Vivax wrote:
Tentative naughty list, it would be cool if we could lynch one of these baddies today:

- GB for this discrepancy in his case. The froggynoddy suspicion is entirely new and he doesn't look included among his scumspects. Rather fresh scumread stemming from that HF case, still have to look for more stuff thoroughly.

- TheTemplar for not being the ballsy, (scumhuntingly) talkative town templar who always gets townread D1 and mostly NKd N1. Gut based explanation, check for inconsistencies also pending here (yes I'm not going through as many filters thoroughly as I probably should yet, besides we can't lynch all of em today so I think it's fine)

- Fecalfeast for some of the stuff I found in his filter and already mentioned, plus he martyrs at various points, like during N1 and lately when he sort of expressed he doesn't care about the scumreads. But it's not the sort of righteous townie martyr when somebody is genuinely pissed off about people scumreading him or the sort, it's more like the "I don't care about the game"- martyr. Additionally he was in the focus of the night killed guys.

- Trfel for playing extremely subpar to his last game when he's capable of much much more. He doesn't want to stand in the spotlight in this game.

There's probably 5 scum since the formula for scummers is usually amount of players / 5. I don't know why people go on so much about tubesock claiming there's 5 scum being a scumslip. Scumslips are overrated in all the games I've played in save very few exceptions. Overall I find him tedious to read cause he has such a weird way of expressing himself, if I would give him a read it certainly wouldn't be cause of that.

Finding the likely 5th scum pending. Tempted to look into the direction of Oats, soultin, Kelsier for this one.

I will admit that I'm not playing like either my town or scum meta. When I'm mafia, I tend to lurk a lot and try to have reads on everyone to look like I'm trying to solve the game.
Sorry I'm being inactive, stuff that happened during day 1 broke my spirit in general.
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