On December 13 2014 15:36 Oatsmaster wrote: How is nk analysis even relevant?
Its straight up speculation. Look at how many other reads the dead people have.
Fecal has more posts than like 50% of the game.
Come on Vivax/hf other bad people.
This post looks so mafia to me right now.
You have a -lot- more reasons for Trfel being mafia but you don't care about that at all, do you?
How many reasons are there for me being mafia? I count a grand total of one: lack of participation in the thread.
To be fair, that is a pretty big reason. I'm doing my best to change that. I reiterate, the size of this game is giving me a ton of trouble, and I haven't been able to come up with anything amazing yet. I am really sorry that I haven't been able to play at the level that I hoped to play at, no excuses. I will keep trying my best, as that is all I can do. Hoping to come up with something soon, as I'm actually quite embarrassed by the amount of time I have spent on this game to not come up with any original scumreads.
WHY DON'T YOU STOP TRYING TO BE AMAZING AND JUST POST SHIT
Literally, shit.
Post it.
That's what everyone else is doing right now.
It's SHIT.
Maybe your SHIT is better than their SHIT?
It can't be worse.
Like how is this not town slam? To answer your question. Bats has become one of my strongest reads tonight hes very interactive and made some good points. Also after last game my standards for him being town are lower :D. As for slight reading you, idk your my worst santa should check his list twice.
On December 13 2014 15:36 Oatsmaster wrote: How is nk analysis even relevant?
Its straight up speculation. Look at how many other reads the dead people have.
Fecal has more posts than like 50% of the game.
Come on Vivax/hf other bad people.
This post looks so mafia to me right now.
You have a -lot- more reasons for Trfel being mafia but you don't care about that at all, do you?
How many reasons are there for me being mafia? I count a grand total of one: lack of participation in the thread.
To be fair, that is a pretty big reason. I'm doing my best to change that. I reiterate, the size of this game is giving me a ton of trouble, and I haven't been able to come up with anything amazing yet. I am really sorry that I haven't been able to play at the level that I hoped to play at, no excuses. I will keep trying my best, as that is all I can do. Hoping to come up with something soon, as I'm actually quite embarrassed by the amount of time I have spent on this game to not come up with any original scumreads.
WHY DON'T YOU STOP TRYING TO BE AMAZING AND JUST POST SHIT
Literally, shit.
Post it.
That's what everyone else is doing right now.
It's SHIT.
Maybe your SHIT is better than their SHIT?
It can't be worse.
Like how is this not town slam? To answer your question. Bats has become one of my strongest reads tonight hes very interactive and made some good points. Also after last game my standards for him being town are lower :D. As for slight reading you, idk your my worst santa should check his list twice.
You lowered your standards for me after a game where none of my reads were wrong?
I reread the case on feast...he's almost a plynch for me. Like I said, no tears but...he's not my first choice. Please don't yell at me again ;o; I'm so sensitive and all you know xP Plus I just read the post where you called me a gnat. NOT FAIR.
^Point of the post was I'll vote FF if no one better is being pushed, and only then
On December 13 2014 15:36 Oatsmaster wrote: How is nk analysis even relevant?
Its straight up speculation. Look at how many other reads the dead people have.
Fecal has more posts than like 50% of the game.
Come on Vivax/hf other bad people.
This post looks so mafia to me right now.
You have a -lot- more reasons for Trfel being mafia but you don't care about that at all, do you?
How many reasons are there for me being mafia? I count a grand total of one: lack of participation in the thread.
To be fair, that is a pretty big reason. I'm doing my best to change that. I reiterate, the size of this game is giving me a ton of trouble, and I haven't been able to come up with anything amazing yet. I am really sorry that I haven't been able to play at the level that I hoped to play at, no excuses. I will keep trying my best, as that is all I can do. Hoping to come up with something soon, as I'm actually quite embarrassed by the amount of time I have spent on this game to not come up with any original scumreads.
WHY DON'T YOU STOP TRYING TO BE AMAZING AND JUST POST SHIT
Literally, shit.
Post it.
That's what everyone else is doing right now.
It's SHIT.
Maybe your SHIT is better than their SHIT?
It can't be worse.
Like how is this not town slam? To answer your question. Bats has become one of my strongest reads tonight hes very interactive and made some good points. Also after last game my standards for him being town are lower :D. As for slight reading you, idk your my worst santa should check his list twice.
You lowered your standards for me after a game where none of my reads were wrong?
Lies and slander! You tried to lynch me. Twice! >> You and Damdred. Hurts my heart. That said he did play well...apart from the whole, helpful not coming across scummy part, lol.
On December 13 2014 15:36 Oatsmaster wrote: How is nk analysis even relevant?
Its straight up speculation. Look at how many other reads the dead people have.
Fecal has more posts than like 50% of the game.
Come on Vivax/hf other bad people.
This post looks so mafia to me right now.
You have a -lot- more reasons for Trfel being mafia but you don't care about that at all, do you?
How many reasons are there for me being mafia? I count a grand total of one: lack of participation in the thread.
To be fair, that is a pretty big reason. I'm doing my best to change that. I reiterate, the size of this game is giving me a ton of trouble, and I haven't been able to come up with anything amazing yet. I am really sorry that I haven't been able to play at the level that I hoped to play at, no excuses. I will keep trying my best, as that is all I can do. Hoping to come up with something soon, as I'm actually quite embarrassed by the amount of time I have spent on this game to not come up with any original scumreads.
WHY DON'T YOU STOP TRYING TO BE AMAZING AND JUST POST SHIT
Literally, shit.
Post it.
That's what everyone else is doing right now.
It's SHIT.
Maybe your SHIT is better than their SHIT?
It can't be worse.
Like how is this not town slam? To answer your question. Bats has become one of my strongest reads tonight hes very interactive and made some good points. Also after last game my standards for him being town are lower :D. As for slight reading you, idk your my worst santa should check his list twice.
You lowered your standards for me after a game where none of my reads were wrong?
Lies and slander! You tried to lynch me. Twice! >> You and Damdred. Hurts my heart. That said he did play well...apart from the whole, helpful not coming across scummy part, lol.
Not that this is relevant, but I only tried to lynch you, and HTS, because my read on kush was right. That was literally the only reason.
On December 13 2014 15:36 Oatsmaster wrote: How is nk analysis even relevant?
Its straight up speculation. Look at how many other reads the dead people have.
Fecal has more posts than like 50% of the game.
Come on Vivax/hf other bad people.
This post looks so mafia to me right now.
You have a -lot- more reasons for Trfel being mafia but you don't care about that at all, do you?
How many reasons are there for me being mafia? I count a grand total of one: lack of participation in the thread.
To be fair, that is a pretty big reason. I'm doing my best to change that. I reiterate, the size of this game is giving me a ton of trouble, and I haven't been able to come up with anything amazing yet. I am really sorry that I haven't been able to play at the level that I hoped to play at, no excuses. I will keep trying my best, as that is all I can do. Hoping to come up with something soon, as I'm actually quite embarrassed by the amount of time I have spent on this game to not come up with any original scumreads.
WHY DON'T YOU STOP TRYING TO BE AMAZING AND JUST POST SHIT
Literally, shit.
Post it.
That's what everyone else is doing right now.
It's SHIT.
Maybe your SHIT is better than their SHIT?
It can't be worse.
Like how is this not town slam? To answer your question. Bats has become one of my strongest reads tonight hes very interactive and made some good points. Also after last game my standards for him being town are lower :D. As for slight reading you, idk your my worst santa should check his list twice.
You lowered your standards for me after a game where none of my reads were wrong?
Lies and slander! You tried to lynch me. Twice! >> You and Damdred. Hurts my heart. That said he did play well...apart from the whole, helpful not coming across scummy part, lol.
Not that this is relevant, but I only tried to lynch you, and HTS, because my read on kush was right. That was literally the only reason.
For the first one, yes. And yeah, you read kush, I read HTS, and battle of the stubborns. Only you had Damdred on your side. The traitor ;o; Anyhow, the actual point that I derailed myself from was I've learned to be less quick to jump down you're throat, especially if you're making reads. Even if you do sound grumpy or irritated when you're making them. That's probably part of what SL is referring to, too.
On December 13 2014 15:36 Oatsmaster wrote: How is nk analysis even relevant?
Its straight up speculation. Look at how many other reads the dead people have.
Fecal has more posts than like 50% of the game.
Come on Vivax/hf other bad people.
This post looks so mafia to me right now.
You have a -lot- more reasons for Trfel being mafia but you don't care about that at all, do you?
How many reasons are there for me being mafia? I count a grand total of one: lack of participation in the thread.
To be fair, that is a pretty big reason. I'm doing my best to change that. I reiterate, the size of this game is giving me a ton of trouble, and I haven't been able to come up with anything amazing yet. I am really sorry that I haven't been able to play at the level that I hoped to play at, no excuses. I will keep trying my best, as that is all I can do. Hoping to come up with something soon, as I'm actually quite embarrassed by the amount of time I have spent on this game to not come up with any original scumreads.
WHY DON'T YOU STOP TRYING TO BE AMAZING AND JUST POST SHIT
Literally, shit.
Post it.
That's what everyone else is doing right now.
It's SHIT.
Maybe your SHIT is better than their SHIT?
It can't be worse.
Like how is this not town slam? To answer your question. Bats has become one of my strongest reads tonight hes very interactive and made some good points. Also after last game my standards for him being town are lower :D. As for slight reading you, idk your my worst santa should check his list twice.
You lowered your standards for me after a game where none of my reads were wrong?
Lies and slander! You tried to lynch me. Twice! >> You and Damdred. Hurts my heart. That said he did play well...apart from the whole, helpful not coming across scummy part, lol.
Not that this is relevant, but I only tried to lynch you, and HTS, because my read on kush was right. That was literally the only reason.
For the first one, yes. And yeah, you read kush, I read HTS, and battle of the stubborns. Only you had Damdred on your side. The traitor ;o; Anyhow, the actual point that I derailed myself from was I've learned to be less quick to jump down you're throat, especially if you're making reads. Even if you do sound grumpy or irritated when you're making them. That's probably part of what SL is referring to, too.
So, good thing, yeah? For you anyway xP
You couldn't lynch me if you tried. I kick, scream, and bite.
On December 13 2014 15:36 Oatsmaster wrote: How is nk analysis even relevant?
Its straight up speculation. Look at how many other reads the dead people have.
Fecal has more posts than like 50% of the game.
Come on Vivax/hf other bad people.
This post looks so mafia to me right now.
Heh, don't actually agree on that one, Viva.
FF isn't the worst lynch we could do (which is why I wouldn't cry tears over it) but based off of NKs when we're not sure who or what killed who...and also assuming that there weren't any other reasons for killing them other than their scum reads...seems like a stretch. I'm willing to entertain a proper case against FF though. Even willing to look at him more closely myself, but he does come off a lot like another kush lol ><
THE CASE IS OUT. Find it in my filter, or look at what Alakaslam quoted.
Also I want to go into more detail on what Oats said there:
He completely skipped over all of the reasoning used to only argue for FF being town cause of his mere post count, he's putting zero effort in to get a read on him in any other way. It's not like he has a way of being sure about FFs alignment yet, no evidence of an opinion on FF in his filter. He just dismisses the case without caring in the slightest whether FF is actually town or mafia.
Yes because you apparently took a decent amount of time to find everyone dead that called FF scum which is completely pointless method of determining alignment. So you think its important. Its not.
And if thats like one of the points in the case which is scattered over like 20 pages, then thats super bad.
I really dont know if FF is town or mafia, but im trending town and the case doesnt help.
Fecalfeast for some of the stuff I found in his filter and already mentioned, plus he martyrs at various points, like during N1 and lately when he sort of expressed he doesn't care about the scumreads. But it's not the sort of righteous townie martyr when somebody is genuinely pissed off about people scumreading him or the sort, it's more like the "I don't care about the game"- martyr. Additionally he was in the focus of the night killed guys.
This is totally a gut read, regardless of what you say later.
Ok, a few comments to the people who feel I am a good lynch (which to be honest, is probably everyone, or at least ought to be).
First, other than me being a lurker, the only argument is a meta read. Which is based off of a whole one game. A student mafia game, with 13-14 people, where I was shot on Night 1. Meaning, I played for 72 hours in an "easy" game and only had to read ~30 pages the entire time. Then, I jumped into a game with ~26 players, including several veterans and skilled players. And it's already over 100 posts. I'm simply not able to play at the same level I was last game, and yes, that's not ideal.
In addition, one thing that my last game taught me is that meta reads have limited use. So at the moment, I don't intend to make any meta reads. That doesn't mean I'm not trying, it just means that I decided that spending hours pouring over previous games for minimal value isn't a good use of time.
Again, I realize 100% that I appear to be a very good lynch. But that is just for me being a policy lynch, the meta argument really lacks backing. My request is that people spend the next while looking into other people to lynch, as with this much time in the day I don't believe you should start looking at a policy lynch already.
Anyway, I'll be looking at Fecalfeast's filter and the cases made against him again now. If anyone has any (specific) questions they would like me to answer, I should be up for a short while. But I will ignore general questions like "who is scum", as I'll answer that when I can.
I want to lynch Oats now. Disregard FecalFeast for now as he could simply be a townie who probably shouldn't play mafia cause he clearly doesn't enjoy wading through a lot of text.
This is all you have to sheep, I suggest you actually go back and read what he wrote D1, everything kita says is verifiable and true:
On December 12 2014 07:59 kitaman27 wrote:
Oatsmaster
The too scummy to be scum defense of bunnies that put him on the right side of the lynch for most of the day was pretty sketchy. He adds in a comment at the end that he isn't too bothered by the bunnies lynch, which almost makes me think that he didn't want to be seen as someone with too much knowledge.
When he has to move off Vivax based on the effort he was putting in, he swaps to frog without an explanation. The single question about frog's null reads comes off as an attempt to make it sound like he is interested in his scum suspect, rather than something he was going to follow up with.
And I'll put this on top:
On December 13 2014 15:36 Oatsmaster wrote: How is nk analysis even relevant?
Its straight up speculation. Look at how many other reads the dead people have.
Fecal has more posts than like 50% of the game.
Come on Vivax/hf other bad people.
On December 13 2014 15:47 Vivax wrote: Also I want to go into more detail on what Oats said there:
He completely skipped over all of the reasoning used to only argue for FF being town cause of his mere post count, he's putting zero effort in to get a read on him in any other way. It's not like he has a way of being sure about FFs alignment yet, no evidence of an opinion on FF in his filter. He just dismisses the case without caring in the slightest whether FF is actually town or mafia.
##Unvote ##Vote Oatsmaster
And this gave me a good laugh:
On December 12 2014 07:59 kitaman27 wrote: kushm4sta
Congrats you can get away with doing absolutely nothing on day one. Why are you wasting our time by taking up a slot in this game? Do you get a thrill out of being mildly annoying to everyone else? I think you'd make a perfect house fly.
First, I don't really know what night kill analysis is or how to perform it. If someone could please explain this or link me a good guide to read, that would be great, as my current understanding is that night kills are WIFOM and should be ignored. Ironically, this came from an Oatsmaster post in the Student Mafia IV game, so this isn't a new view that he has presented.
Excluding that, I still am not that happy with a Fecalfeast lynch. Here is why.
Fecalfeast hasn't presented any real reasons to read him as town. I'm not happy with him, and he's obviously playing badly (he's admitted several times that he hasn't been keeping up with the thread). That doesn't make him mafia, though, it just makes him lazy.
I've read the cases on him, or at least all of the cases I could easily find. They generally seem weak, with the main argument being that he is doing a poor job of finding scum. While I disagree with many of the reads he presents in his list post, I get the impression that he is thinking, and I can see how someone would reach those conclusions.
Basically, there doesn't seem to be much evidence against Fecalfeast, besides a simple policy lynch. And at this point, I really hope we can come up with something better than a policy lynch. One example is Tubesock, who feels better than a policy lynch to me due to some of the weird posting and the potential "scumslip". I still hope that there is a better target, though.
Looking at Oatsmaster and Vivax's case on him next.
EPT
