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On November 25 2014 02:24 WaveofShadow wrote:
Trying to get one of jat/hf/marv lynched seems like way too much effort, and being on a scum team against that is also more effort than I think I want to give.

On November 25 2014 02:32 marvellosity wrote:
when it's full I imagine.

On November 25 2014 02:58 ShiaoPi wrote:


Game will indeed start as soon as the slots are filled

On November 25 2014 03:43 marvellosity wrote:

Chicken.

On November 25 2014 06:48 geript wrote:
/in

On November 26 2014 01:06 WaveofShadow wrote:
/in
Won't be around for deadlines.

On November 27 2014 08:31 geript wrote:
Had what do you think of Sn0's opening? Like I dislike how awkward and unfunny it is. It feels worse to me because I remember him as a player who likes to fuck around a lot in the beginning. It was just a hit it and quit it thing. I also dislike how uncomfortable it comes off as in his response. Conversely though, he's a little dgaf which can be towny.

On November 27 2014 10:27 Holyflare wrote:


not when role pm's get sent out an hour early because that's a whole hour of a mafia pm being left to sink in and so he'd just give up and go to bed early at rolling mafia in this probably stacked game

i'm almost positive the first message in the qt is like "we're so fucked"

look at your response, i ask you to comment on something you are reluctant but end up doing it anyway
look at his response, i ask him to comment on it and he gives a VERY generic "i dont vote on ANYONE EVER early" response and then criticises me and leaves

what good natured towny wants to shut down any productive discussion even if it's misplaced? the answer is no good natured towny ever

On November 27 2014 12:55 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Gb, serious question: how do you go from me being "unreadable" in one game to me being town in another because of contribution?

On November 27 2014 20:30 marvellosity wrote:
rayn and GB. Hopefully rayn's about to shout at me about it

On November 27 2014 13:01 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
And that way being?

(If you actually go to sleep now, I'd like an answer when you wake up.)

On November 27 2014 20:40 marvellosity wrote:
my read on GB was Obi related, I thought Obi's question about reading him was pertinent and correct, also I thought GB pulled up a really generic post of Obi's to justify the townread.

dunno, maybe he actually believes it though.

On November 27 2014 20:43 marvellosity wrote:
yes, you're right HF.

Will file it away under "bit weird" for now

On November 27 2014 20:44 marvellosity wrote:
Scummy bit weird.

Sorreh GeeBee

On November 27 2014 20:46 Holyflare wrote:
Why did you only comment on my part about jat and then say it's completely null but then avoided sn0?whole paragraph said nothing really

On November 27 2014 20:46 marvellosity wrote:

There's nothing to push, you've said what there is to say about it.

On November 27 2014 20:55 marvellosity wrote:

because it's not interesting

next

On November 27 2014 21:00 justanothertownie wrote:

Implying you think rayn is town?

On November 27 2014 21:01 marvellosity wrote:
I already pointed out what's interesting.

Stop being boring GB.

On November 27 2014 21:04 marvellosity wrote:

if I had stuff to talk about, I'd talk about it. What's wrong with you?

On November 27 2014 21:06 justanothertownie wrote:

Fine. What IS your read on rayn though?

On November 27 2014 21:07 justanothertownie wrote:

Being a joke doesn't make it irrelevant and the discussion about me isn't productive anyways. Apart from the fact that rayn is just openly lying right now.

On November 27 2014 21:17 marvellosity wrote:
GB what was the game you were mafia in recently? I don't think it's in the database

On November 27 2014 21:17 marvellosity wrote:
GB what was the game you were mafia in recently? I don't think it's in the database

On November 27 2014 08:31 geript wrote:
Had what do you think of Sn0's opening? Like I dislike how awkward and unfunny it is. It feels worse to me because I remember him as a player who likes to fuck around a lot in the beginning. It was just a hit it and quit it thing. I also dislike how uncomfortable it comes off as in his response. Conversely though, he's a little dgaf which can be towny.

On November 27 2014 21:43 marvellosity wrote:
oh yeah, that game you said it was totally town Robik and voted him 5 posts later. I remember.

On November 27 2014 21:47 Holyflare wrote:


you did exactly the same thing about my posts??

On November 27 2014 21:52 marvellosity wrote:
GB, what's different about Elvis compared to Superbia?

On November 27 2014 11:02 Elvis! wrote:
There's no way I'm not town here:

On November 27 2014 21:54 Holyflare wrote:


no i like the rest of his posts

On November 27 2014 22:32 Holyflare wrote:
no

elvis has done nothing but troll around and is completely null
geript has pushed people that look bad, which I've liked. The only thing I don't agree with is his wave and especially sentinel read

that's about all there is to say about them

On November 27 2014 22:36 Holyflare wrote:
jat did the same thing about me when he said "i dunno if hf pushing this is scummy or towny starting discussion" but you haven't seemed to bring that up at all. You did the same thing to me too, it's irrelevant whether it's about individual posts or overall posts it's wishy washy and has no conclusions. If you think it's alignment indicative then it's indicative about your alignment too.

On November 27 2014 22:41 Holyflare wrote:


................................. you want me to say whether it's alignment indicative. If I say your post is wishy washy and you tell me "yeh but geript's is too but what do you think that makes him?" then you are implying that wishy washy means an alignment when it doesn't. I've told you I liked what geript has said so quite clearly being wishy washy means nothing in that context.

On November 25 2014 04:50 WaveofShadow wrote:

You're such a QT marv

Edit: no but seriously it's more because I put shit tons of effort into every game in general and in the end it's either useless because
A) my reads are fucking terrible and no amount of effort ever seems to change that
B) my scum team roflstomps the town and I probably didn't need to try as hard as I did to do so.

Either way it amounts me to spending waaayyy too much time on mafia for very little tangible reward other than kinda fucking me over RL-wise. If I knew how to limit myself when in a game I'd try that but I don't really.

On November 27 2014 22:51 Holyflare wrote:


is there literally anything you are gaining out of all of these asinine questions on players that haven't played the game yet?

wave has done nothing

On November 27 2014 23:00 marvellosity wrote:

isn't that intentionally dodging? which is worse?

On November 27 2014 23:06 Holyflare wrote:


For you to think this then you must think that thread discussion hasn't been happening. So why have you been telling us that Elvis! has been busy destroying discussion all along if you think you're only just "making this thread happen" now???

On November 27 2014 22:57 Holyflare wrote:
can you explain how you go from most definitely thinking wishy washy posts are alignment indicative and voting geript to somehow now voting for HIS top scum read???

On November 28 2014 01:08 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
I hate how people use the lurking thing to justify understanding my underdeveloped scum meta, especially when I was working irl for most of that game.

On November 28 2014 01:08 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I kinda want to kill GB but his post on Elvis is spot on so meh.

On November 28 2014 01:17 Superbia wrote:


Elaborate on this GB. Specifically, where did you get the idea that I'm a "big walls poster"?

On November 28 2014 01:21 Superbia wrote:


Which games?

On November 28 2014 02:08 Superbia wrote:


You were an active part of last game's OBS QT, a game in which I was mafia and I survived the entire game. But rather than draw any correlations between my play that game and this game, you come up with a vague meta-read of "Superbia is a big list poster", which you can't even properly pin point to a fucking game, let alone an alignment. The fact that you were OBSing my scum-game from a couple of days ago, try to give a half-assed "read" on me based on "meta", during which you don't even refer to the scum-game I played a couple of days ago, is scummy as fuck.
you're overreacting over a simple statement. It doesn't matter if I was part of the obs qt or not. In fact, you were too quiet and one liner in that game. I wasn't following it closely too, I've only skimmed a little.

Let's move on to the rest of your game so far:



I hate this post. You basically discredit HF's case but draw zero conclusions from it. What's the point? Why do you feel a need to comment on the case if you have nothing to add and JAT hasn't even posted yet? How does this help town? Protip: it doesn't.
So you don't think that pointing out a bad argument that makes no one mafia doesn't help town? The conclusion I've drawn from it is that HFs case on JAT is wrong. I'm trying to put town on the right track



Yet previously you say:



What did you like about the post before? Because you just said that the post had no content and was useless. Moreover, you manage to make two posts about the same fucking post and manage to draw zero conclusions from it.
[b] The conclusion is that that post is bad and we should take a look on geript. And that's what we did.
Funny thing that, in the other hand, you rush to draw conclusions from something you don't even have complete information yet ("what is good in this post"). You're trying to point out scummy things in me without even considering the whole scenario.
The good thing about this post is that townies often call bad things out to generate discussion. Pointing that it's a bad argument is also part of the town role.



Again, you reach zero actual conclusions here. Is Elvis mafia for doing this? Do you feel like a newer player would be trying to actively disrupt the game in which there are a lot of veterans as scum?
Yes. It's more likely, though, as newbies tend to be ignored in the game and he could pull the newbie card.
Is he mafia? I don't know, still too early, but it means we should take a look at him.

Then GB goes for some weak fucking pushes on Elvis, followed by:



And a couple of minutes later:



What the fuck? Why aren't you voting on Elvis, who you should have the bigger scumread on (judging by your posts)?
You salty? does it makes me mafia?

TL;DR: GB's non-spam posts reach 0 conclusions. GB's meta-read is shit-tier, and it shouldn't be. GB isn't doing anything for town. GB is mafai.

##Unvote
##Vote: GlowingBear

On November 28 2014 05:09 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
I'll stop lurking later tonight.

Maybe.

On November 28 2014 06:20 marvellosity wrote:
well i think i townread rayn now
i also think i townread holyflare and geript
i townread obi
sentinel might be town for terrible reasons
palmar wildcard

already my list is shrinking

On November 28 2014 08:42 Superbia wrote:


Am I scum?

On November 28 2014 08:43 Holyflare wrote:
I quite clearly told you smash bros was released today. Gb is also my top suspect from my list post. You're just kind of rehashing what I've already said about him.

"he criticised ppl for wishy washy posts and said it was alignment indicative but he did the same thing as them"
wrong and I've already explained why. Bothers me that you're constantly repeating it as I've already proven the opposite.
"he voted his scum reads top mafia suspect"
a very game-changing vote. Draws a lot of attention. Really easy for mafia to pick on.
"he said he was making discussion happen but just asked about lurkers and did nothing "
if you can't give thoughts on people who has few posts, day1 would never start. I was forcing you to put information on the thread
" he pushed elvis for ruining discussion but said he was changing the thread so that discussion started "
There is a difference in disrupting discussion from criticising the ongoing discussion

You're actually just copying the points i raised

On November 28 2014 08:50 Superbia wrote:


Can you respond to my post?

On November 28 2014 09:11 Superbia wrote:


I'm pretty sure you've played this game before. I've seen your name many times.

On November 28 2014 09:22 Superbia wrote:


Leaning town if anything. I haven't really had a reason to care that much.

On November 28 2014 09:23 Superbia wrote:


Because he hasn't posted anything that stood out as scummy to me? Stop overacting.

On November 28 2014 09:32 Superbia wrote:


I don't even think you genuinely believe this. I did look at people who voted on me first, mainly because I know my alignment and I thought I had been pretty damn townie. I initially read you scummy because of your meta-read on me, which I know for a fact to be a 100% false. That being said, my town play for d1 is not to discover everyone's alignments. I look for standout scummy things and push on those, you stood out, I'm pushing on you.

On November 28 2014 09:49 Superbia wrote:


I don't think the source of the scum-read matters if the scum-read is good, do you?

I can see why you think me not really caring that much might irk you as town, but I've explained my d1 play before. What exactly is the confusion here?

I did not feel strongly about JAT's case, but I was interested in the outcome. You were the one that stood out the most to me, I felt like your filter was pretty damn scummy, which is why I made a big case on you.

On November 28 2014 09:57 WaveofShadow wrote:
First one that pops into my head just as a taste was Geript.
Had a strong townread on him from the start of the game which has sort of lessened over time.
Essentially this post:

And then the townread he gave me for it after.

I actually had no fucking clue what he was talking about, and that townread comes directly out of his ass, but at the time I fully believe that he believed it. He does weird shit that he expects me to understand all the time (almost exclusively as town, I believe unless someone can show me otherwise. Catastrophe is a good example).

Like it actually took me going back and reading my own post 5-10 times to figure out what he thought was a subtle joke. Now I kinda wish I had done it on purpose 'cause it wasn't bad.

Anyway, point being Geript gets all heady with his own towniness and weird reads secretz and whatnot when he's town. The tryhardiness isn't particularly indicative for him, and the fact that he's fallen off a great deal since then should really make that evident to the rest of you who townread him early for his posting.

As to why my townread has fallen off a little, it's because

Just like everyone else he offers no justification, assuming the vote on me can stand on its own simply because I am playing the way I am (and by the way, I would caution people to have a look at who has discussed me and what they have said. Pretty damn easy to get away with lynching someone like me as I have been. This might be less relevant if I decide to actually pick up my play/don't get lynched but we'll see I guess).

On November 28 2014 10:03 Superbia wrote:


Yeah I remember Marv doing this, but I felt like it came from a more townie perspective at the time, like he was doing it to get a read on HF. I did not see a townie reason behind you diffusing the push. You later even complained that nothing was really happening.

On November 28 2014 10:03 WaveofShadow wrote:
Oops double post.
And yes GB that is exactly what they could be doing, and exactly what I believe marv to be doing. I still don't think it makes any sense for him to actually think I'm scum, but I don't think I truly care.

You and Superbia? Haven't read much of that shitstorm. I think I remember siding with Superbia tbh earlier on and thinking your early play was bad. I seem to remember you wowing me a great deal as town in earlier games and you certainly haven't done so here.

On November 28 2014 10:10 Superbia wrote:


The problem is that you instantly give a read on HF based on the push you just tried to diffuse, which is literally null. Like I would understand a town motivation if you would actually give a new direction to town or start asking questions right after (specifically towards HF), but you do nothing.

On November 28 2014 10:35 marvellosity wrote:

I think the direct opposite of this. Only now do I think it's genuine...

interesting

On November 28 2014 10:55 WaveofShadow wrote:
Ugh GB I remember thinking you were really good but that spoilered section...jeez.
I didn't ask to be replaced and CAN WE PLEASE STOP TALKING ABOUT THIS.

On November 28 2014 10:58 marvellosity wrote:
almost anything is possible, doesn't mean it's remotely likely in any way

On November 28 2014 10:59 marvellosity wrote:
so are we mafia faking it? or you just tossing it out there for giggles?

On November 28 2014 11:05 marvellosity wrote:
I literally said to Superbia that I'd like to see it play out with you...

remember that fanfic game, i said i was sad that i coached you, that was only if you were town, because you were saying/pushing some really dumb shit. you were mafia so it was ok.

*shrug*

On November 28 2014 11:04 GlowingBear wrote:
Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that's the read I have on all this discussion. But, by the way you were discussing, this idea is likely.

On November 28 2014 11:13 marvellosity wrote:
most of all i just want damdy to post

g'night

On November 28 2014 11:41 geript wrote:
Right now I'm thinking about GB. He had the early tow read on Obi that seemed meh. The recent stuff of his has bugged me too but that was from following instead of reading so I want to catch up on that. Damdrd kinda bugs me because he's a bit more active as town and I think he'd be super excited to play and post if Elvis rolled town. Palmer is palmering. I know I'm forgetting other stuff.
What do you think of HF?

On November 28 2014 11:57 Damdred wrote:
Then what does it mean that I really like Geript up to page 25 mean gb hrm!!!???!!!

On November 28 2014 12:07 WaveofShadow wrote:

Pls you don't know what I sound like as mafia. You only caught me in Guilty due to host error and process of elimination.
(And stupid fucking Robik).

On November 28 2014 12:07 Damdred wrote:
Why don't you like marv gb

On November 28 2014 12:11 WaveofShadow wrote:

And what about me sounds different?
You sound different too, and in that game you were town.

On November 28 2014 12:29 geript wrote:
@gB. Why does your meta change so much? Is it intentional?

On November 28 2014 12:49 Damdred wrote:
@GB, when you get back talk to me more about your marv misgivings there really isn't much in your filter about why hes scummy besides you don't see him trying to solve the game in the way you want him to. Could you point out some things in his filter to me that you think points to scum marv and a scum mindset rather than town marv?

@Wave, Who would you want to lynch right now if you could and all of us would sheep you onto it?

On November 27 2014 20:23 marvellosity wrote:
Superbia's underwhelming but it's a little thin.

Got nothing on Sn0.

One of the reasons I liked Obi is because he asked Superbia about the post he made saying Sn0 was contributing to look like he was contributing. I almost responded to that post as super weak right then, but decided to leave it, and a couple posts later Obi questioned it. And Superbia deflected.

Unsure whether it's early game silliness related as yet

On November 27 2014 20:40 marvellosity wrote:
my read on GB was Obi related, I thought Obi's question about reading him was pertinent and correct, also I thought GB pulled up a really generic post of Obi's to justify the townread.

dunno, maybe he actually believes it though.

On November 27 2014 21:04 marvellosity wrote:
In rayn's defence, JAT, he often misremembers how events occurred in past games. I've noticed it several times before.

On November 28 2014 02:10 marvellosity wrote:
well your case definitely demonstrates GB's play is weird as shit Superbia. Whether that makes him mafia is another question.

Let's lynch wave instead?

On November 28 2014 06:11 marvellosity wrote:
Sn0, snap-reads on GB-Elvis-Superbia?

They're all grouped in my head.

On November 28 2014 06:20 marvellosity wrote:
well i think i townread rayn now
i also think i townread holyflare and geript
i townread obi
sentinel might be town for terrible reasons
palmar wildcard

already my list is shrinking

On November 28 2014 08:34 marvellosity wrote:

I'll check out Superbia's games at some point before EOD. My memory of Superbia is being unmemorable as mafia, it's how i casually guessed at him the couple of games i vaguely saw. not seen him play town i don't think. I just meant he hadn't bought my vote on GB yet.

On November 27 2014 09:17 marvellosity wrote:
HF, I met someone just like you in the champion of champions game. He had like a zillion more posts than everyone else and flipped mafia

On November 29 2014 00:49 marvellosity wrote:

This is an absolutely terrible point, and I can't believe you are so bad as to bring this up?

If you're townreading someone for the wrong reasons, it's absolutely right to bring it up, even if i'm also townreading the guy

this is mindbogglingly bad GB

On November 28 2014 21:07 GlowingBear wrote:


No it's not. It's because I'm constantly trying to refine my gameplay. I always learn a lesson from each game.

I also think of my role as town in each game, mostly considering the playlist. As a lot of good analysers signed in, my plan as town was to point out things and generate discussion, and evaluate other players reads.
I'm looking scummy for that and I sincerely have no idea why

On November 29 2014 01:48 marvellosity wrote:
where did Superbia go
where did GB go
where is rayn
where did Sn0 go

On November 29 2014 02:17 marvellosity wrote:

Why? You were suspicious of Elvis earlier, has Damdred looked townie to you?

On November 29 2014 02:50 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
Aight, first four reads

Marv - town. He keeps going on about his long filter, so I checked his most recent scum games and found exactly that. He's had two filters longer than 13 pages recently as scum, with 25 pages in Shadow over seven days and 15 pages in Desert over four days. So still far less than 13 in half of day 1.

Also his play is very similar to what it was in ##Mafia, where he spammed up the thread but only to get others talking. And he was town there. Which makes me think he's town right now.

HF - null-town. Not as memorable, but he seems to be chugging along. Poked a few holes in JAT's reasoning, is focused on pressuring. Fantastic.

Superbia - null. Not too sure about him yet. Structurally his filter is about the same as it was in Campus. I think the key element of his scum play is how you forget his presence, and I don't know if I'm getting that feel from this game just yet. I mean, I forget a lot of players, so maybe that's not the best metric for me to be making decisions on.

JAT - I'm gonna rig his vote. But really, null, maybe a bit scummy. The thing HF called him out on, having problems with geript's reads and then posting his about the same reads in an about the same manner, makes me question JAT a little bit. I don't know how to feel about him right now.

On November 29 2014 04:44 WaveofShadow wrote:
Welp, town lynch today boyos.

On November 29 2014 04:59 geript wrote:

Maybe town. I think I missed his recent posts. He had a post regarding lynching Rayn that I kinda liked because it reflected how I felt. Haven't been a huge fan all game but I think his snarky response to me was kinda towny.

On November 29 2014 06:00 raynpelikoneet wrote:

why and who do we lynch then?

On November 29 2014 06:07 raynpelikoneet wrote:
also GB why are you even saying this.
Who do you think i will vote if not Wave?

On November 29 2014 06:09 marvellosity wrote:
yeah his posts to you there rayn do feel quite similar to how he was talking to me about my vote on him earlier.

GB, am I still mafia?

On November 29 2014 06:10 Superbia wrote:


Why the fuck would I ever defend DamD? Also I scumread you mainly because your reads and pushes were weak as shit. And the Elvis read was illogical on top of that. The fact that your push on damd was so weak and the fact that your vote never ended on him actually makes it very possible that you two are scum together.

On November 29 2014 06:13 marvellosity wrote:

not a very good answer

On November 29 2014 06:13 Holyflare wrote:
Gb why did you say earlier you have a hard time reading me when last post game i was in you said my meta was blown wide open and i was am easy read now?

On November 29 2014 06:18 marvellosity wrote:

well i'd understand you made a shit read on me and i lynched you for it, that's what i'd understand dear.

On November 29 2014 06:40 justanothertownie wrote:

Maybe to say exactly this? This anger is unwarranted and I don't know if I believe that it is genuine.

On November 29 2014 06:47 justanothertownie wrote:

I will listen if you present me a reasonable argument. WIFOM about what you would or would not do as scum alone is not gonna cut it and like Superbia I don't think that damdred and you could not both be scum.

On November 29 2014 07:12 justanothertownie wrote:

I focused on the post that I quoted and we both were talking about. To me it seems like your whole argument is that superbia is fine with lynching damdred or you. I don't see why he could not have scumreads on both of you since I personally kinda do.

On November 29 2014 07:16 justanothertownie wrote:

When did superbia say he townreads damdred?

On November 29 2014 07:38 marvellosity wrote:
are we going to yolo kill someone?

On December 03 2014 09:34 marvellosity wrote:
not as bad as your case on me bbz

On December 03 2014 09:40 marvellosity wrote:

ok tbh it wasn't terrible in a vacuum, it's just not how you read me at all, that's all

On December 03 2014 10:05 marvellosity wrote:

maybe, but the whole rayn thing was the only reason you got lynched d2, you couldn't have played much better

one small bit of advice, make sure you pay attention to what other ppl are saying. main example is you were scumreading superbia and jat? or hf? gave a really good reason why superbia was town based on some stuff rayn did, but you didn't appear to acknowledge it at all in your read of him.

On December 03 2014 11:23 Damdred wrote:
GB and I actually read each other correctly and fot lynched in consecutive games the universe couldn't stand it.

On December 03 2014 21:11 justanothertownie wrote:
GlowingBear
11-29-2014
09:51 PM ET (US)
I'm drun
If I was in the game I would hammer mafia

-> look at GBs lynch list
-> laugh your ass off