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On November 25 2014 02:24 WaveofShadow wrote: Trying to get one of jat/hf/marv lynched seems like way too much effort, and being on a scum team against that is also more effort than I think I want to give.
I can balance that by signing in.
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Any idea of when this might start?
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On November 25 2014 02:32 marvellosity wrote: when it's full I imagine.
That makes sense.
I want to play but I probably won't because I signed in on Hapa's game
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On November 25 2014 02:58 ShiaoPi wrote:Show nested quote +On November 25 2014 02:36 GlowingBear wrote:On November 25 2014 02:32 marvellosity wrote: when it's full I imagine. That makes sense. I want to play but I probably won't because I signed in on Hapa's game Game will indeed start as soon as the slots are filled
Meh, I'm not risking signing in then. :/ boring, because I like the players rooster so far
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On November 25 2014 03:43 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On November 25 2014 03:00 GlowingBear wrote:On November 25 2014 02:58 ShiaoPi wrote:On November 25 2014 02:36 GlowingBear wrote:On November 25 2014 02:32 marvellosity wrote: when it's full I imagine. That makes sense. I want to play but I probably won't because I signed in on Hapa's game Game will indeed start as soon as the slots are filled Meh, I'm not risking signing in then. :/ boring, because I like the players rooster so far Chicken.
"At least I have chicken"
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On November 25 2014 06:48 geript wrote: /in
Player list is to good to not give this game a shot. Probably my last game before a hiatus
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I'd love to see hapa and WoS signing in. It would be epic.
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On November 26 2014 01:06 WaveofShadow wrote: /in Won't be around for deadlines.
HYPEHYPEHYPEHYPE
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Oh god. Maybe signing in wasn't a good idea
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On November 27 2014 08:31 geript wrote: Had what do you think of Sn0's opening? Like I dislike how awkward and unfunny it is. It feels worse to me because I remember him as a player who likes to fuck around a lot in the beginning. It was just a hit it and quit it thing. I also dislike how uncomfortable it comes off as in his response. Conversely though, he's a little dgaf which can be towny.
I like and hate this post at the same time.
On November 27 2014 10:27 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On November 27 2014 10:24 ObiWanShinobi wrote: 1) Meh. Mafia always want to open early anyway since it becomes harder to open the longer the game goes on, so I don't see how you can draw such a definitive conclusion about someone not being here early. At the very least, this is how I would do it, so I don't put much stock into it.
2) Defensiveness isn't really a scumtell when you're threatening to lynch people off of very little. I fail to see how what you said dictates his alignment. not when role pm's get sent out an hour early because that's a whole hour of a mafia pm being left to sink in and so he'd just give up and go to bed early at rolling mafia in this probably stacked game i'm almost positive the first message in the qt is like "we're so fucked" look at your response, i ask you to comment on something you are reluctant but end up doing it anyway look at his response, i ask him to comment on it and he gives a VERY generic "i dont vote on ANYONE EVER early" response and then criticises me and leaves what good natured towny wants to shut down any productive discussion even if it's misplaced? the answer is no good natured towny ever
Nested quote makes me believe obi is town. Reason: he is actually trying to contribute and discuss things.
I think holyflare is wrong. Believing JAT would be here doesn't makes him scum. I understand what HF says but that's too much WIFOM. I find weird the "we are fucked" thing. I can't understand how HF got to this conclusion. Keeping up a bad argument isn't scummy. I can see townie coming from that perspective. I also can see mafia. It means his post is null unless it is connected to some further behaviour.
I don't like Elvis in this game. Too trolly when discussion was getting traction + looks DIFFEREBT from his tryhard town games
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On November 27 2014 12:55 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Gb, serious question: how do you go from me being "unreadable" in one game to me being town in another because of contribution?
You are hard to read. I've only discovered a way to read you after hearthstone, mostly.
But anyway, I'm analysing you post objectively. It sues Serbs that it's coming from a town perspective.
I'm really going to sleep now m.
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On November 27 2014 20:30 marvellosity wrote:rayn and GB. Hopefully rayn's about to shout at me about it
I understand your mafia motivation to shoot us
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On November 27 2014 13:01 ObiWanShinobi wrote: And that way being?
(If you actually go to sleep now, I'd like an answer when you wake up.)
Obi, from my experience with you being scum, you just lurk and post comments and never makes follow ups. You actually don't inquire people or give thoughts on things brought to the thread. You just ask random questions like "why is he mafia?" following up with an "oh, okay", then perma lurk.
I also remember both you and slam in a mafia qt teaching newbies that scum musr refuse to give information, and I don't believe that is what you're doing here ATM.
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On November 27 2014 20:40 marvellosity wrote: my read on GB was Obi related, I thought Obi's question about reading him was pertinent and correct, also I thought GB pulled up a really generic post of Obi's to justify the townread.
dunno, maybe he actually believes it though.
Well, that's the early feeling I get from obi, from the experience I've got with him. I have no intention other than putting my thoughts here and debating, so we can gather more information.
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On November 27 2014 20:43 marvellosity wrote: yes, you're right HF.
Will file it away under "bit weird" for now
Or you can push me, inquire me, instead of filing.
My body is ready
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On November 27 2014 20:44 marvellosity wrote: Scummy bit weird.
Sorreh GeeBee
It's okay bby, u gon change ur mind eventually
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On November 27 2014 20:46 Holyflare wrote: Why did you only comment on my part about jat and then say it's completely null but then avoided sn0?whole paragraph said nothing really
Hm, sorry, I may have missed it. I was very sleepy.
I'm gonna read your post again, but I don't believe Sno has got anything indicative yet. Just started the game with jokes, which is also null
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On November 27 2014 20:46 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On November 27 2014 20:45 GlowingBear wrote:On November 27 2014 20:43 marvellosity wrote: yes, you're right HF.
Will file it away under "bit weird" for now Or you can push me, inquire me, instead of filing. My body is ready There's nothing to push, you've said what there is to say about it.
Well, you don't like my obi read, but I also quoted a post from geript and said that I find Elvis weird. I wonder why aren't you inquiring that since now you find me scummy weird
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On November 27 2014 20:55 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On November 27 2014 20:54 GlowingBear wrote:On November 27 2014 20:46 marvellosity wrote:On November 27 2014 20:45 GlowingBear wrote:On November 27 2014 20:43 marvellosity wrote: yes, you're right HF.
Will file it away under "bit weird" for now Or you can push me, inquire me, instead of filing. My body is ready There's nothing to push, you've said what there is to say about it. Well, you don't like my obi read, but I also quoted a post from geript and said that I find Elvis weird. I wonder why aren't you inquiring that since now you find me scummy weird because it's not interesting next
Ok What's interesting?
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On November 27 2014 21:00 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On November 27 2014 20:34 GlowingBear wrote:On November 27 2014 20:30 marvellosity wrote:rayn and GB. Hopefully rayn's about to shout at me about it I understand your mafia motivation to shoot us Implying you think rayn is town?
Nah, implying the only way marv could be wanting to shoot me is from a mafia perspective
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On November 27 2014 21:01 marvellosity wrote: I already pointed out what's interesting.
Stop being boring GB.
I'm not talking about my post. I want you to tell me what other things in the thread you want to talk about or what other reads you have now.
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On November 27 2014 21:04 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On November 27 2014 21:04 GlowingBear wrote:On November 27 2014 21:01 marvellosity wrote: I already pointed out what's interesting.
Stop being boring GB. I'm not talking about my post. I want you to tell me what other things in the thread you want to talk about or what other reads you have now. if I had stuff to talk about, I'd talk about it. What's wrong with you?
-.- OK
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On November 27 2014 21:06 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On November 27 2014 21:02 GlowingBear wrote:On November 27 2014 21:00 justanothertownie wrote:On November 27 2014 20:34 GlowingBear wrote:On November 27 2014 20:30 marvellosity wrote:rayn and GB. Hopefully rayn's about to shout at me about it I understand your mafia motivation to shoot us Implying you think rayn is town? Nah, implying the only way marv could be wanting to shoot me is from a mafia perspective Fine. What IS your read on rayn though?
I haven't got much. I don't really like the reason he is pushing you, but I believe he is just pushing to get you talking, and that's mostly townie. Same with HF. I don't really believe he has that solid scum read on you.
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On November 27 2014 21:07 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On November 27 2014 21:05 Holyflare wrote:On November 27 2014 21:03 justanothertownie wrote:On November 27 2014 21:01 Holyflare wrote:On November 27 2014 21:00 justanothertownie wrote:On November 27 2014 20:34 GlowingBear wrote:On November 27 2014 20:30 marvellosity wrote:rayn and GB. Hopefully rayn's about to shout at me about it I understand your mafia motivation to shoot us Implying you think rayn is town? This was quite obviously a joke.... So what? So it was quite irrelevant when we've been talking about you Being a joke doesn't make it irrelevant and the discussion about me isn't productive anyways. Apart from the fact that rayn is just openly lying right now.
Uhmm it does?
It sounded like you wanted to pick a "scum slip" to shift the pressure to me.
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On November 27 2014 21:17 marvellosity wrote: GB what was the game you were mafia in recently? I don't think it's in the database
Marv, it was titanic V
I'll search the threads I've subscribed to see if there is a better one for you to evaluate, though, since that game was only 85 minutes long
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On November 27 2014 08:31 geript wrote: Had what do you think of Sn0's opening? Like I dislike how awkward and unfunny it is. It feels worse to me because I remember him as a player who likes to fuck around a lot in the beginning. It was just a hit it and quit it thing. I also dislike how uncomfortable it comes off as in his response. Conversely though, he's a little dgaf which can be towny.
I don't like this post. He makes it sound like snow is mafia for being unfunny, which, obviously, isn't a mafia trait. Snow likes to fuck around, well, that's what he did. If he had little participation, that's also not alignment indicative.
Funny thing though is that geript concluded his thoughts saying that snow has a town trait.
Which makes geripts post useless. Content less.
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On November 27 2014 21:43 marvellosity wrote: oh yeah, that game you said it was totally town Robik and voted him 5 posts later. I remember.
I don't LOL.
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On November 27 2014 21:47 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On November 27 2014 21:45 GlowingBear wrote:On November 27 2014 08:31 geript wrote: Had what do you think of Sn0's opening? Like I dislike how awkward and unfunny it is. It feels worse to me because I remember him as a player who likes to fuck around a lot in the beginning. It was just a hit it and quit it thing. I also dislike how uncomfortable it comes off as in his response. Conversely though, he's a little dgaf which can be towny. I don't like this post. He makes it sound like snow is mafia for being unfunny, which, obviously, isn't a mafia trait. Snow likes to fuck around, well, that's what he did. If he had little participation, that's also not alignment indicative. Funny thing though is that geript concluded his thoughts saying that snow has a town trait. Which makes geripts post useless. Content less. you did exactly the same thing about my posts??
No I didn't. I wasn't attacking you in your post. I was pointing out why I thought your conclusions were wrong.
Then I said obi looked town and Elvis looked bad.
Completely different posts.
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So you do not agree with me HF?
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On November 27 2014 21:52 marvellosity wrote: GB, what's different about Elvis compared to Superbia?
Elvis jokes were off and he mostly cluttered the thread when discussion was getting traction. Disrupting the discussion with spam felt mafiaish Also, in his last game, Elvis mostly posts only big wall of text with paranoid thoughts. He didn't do it here.
Superbia is underwhelming, but at least he didn't post images and didn't sound like he was trying to stop traction of any discussion. He is not to be overlooked, nonetheless, because he is also another a big walls poster
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On November 27 2014 11:02 Elvis! wrote:There's no way I'm not town here:
Like here. No one really inquired Elvis but he continues to joke like this.
Superbia, on the other hand, answered with a joke post an inquire from obi. It's not that he looked like he was intentionally cluttering the thread.
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On November 27 2014 21:54 Holyflare wrote:no i like the rest of his posts
Can you point what did you like in his posts?
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No you didn't, I've just filter dived you.
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On November 27 2014 22:25 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On November 27 2014 20:20 Holyflare wrote: Sn0 has dropped off of the face of the earth it seems which is mildly annoying when he's the center of suspicion. I agree with geripts post largely (although probably not all the conclusions he made like wave/sentinel etc) about Superbia being super meek and asking very limited questions that go nowhere.
You can agree with someone's post without liking his overall gameplay or other posts. You're mostly agreeing with a point and not actually saying that geripts posts are good.
Let me rephrase: do you think posting a content less and wishy washy post I've quoted is null, mafiaish or townish?
Also, five thoughts on what I've brought from Elvis, please
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On November 27 2014 22:32 Holyflare wrote: no
elvis has done nothing but troll around and is completely null geript has pushed people that look bad, which I've liked. The only thing I don't agree with is his wave and especially sentinel read
that's about all there is to say about them
Well, you're pushing snow, who also was trolly. What is wrong with snow that isn't with Elvis?
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On November 27 2014 22:36 Holyflare wrote: jat did the same thing about me when he said "i dunno if hf pushing this is scummy or towny starting discussion" but you haven't seemed to bring that up at all. You did the same thing to me too, it's irrelevant whether it's about individual posts or overall posts it's wishy washy and has no conclusions. If you think it's alignment indicative then it's indicative about your alignment too.
I've already explained what's different between my post and geripts...
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On November 27 2014 22:41 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On November 27 2014 22:38 GlowingBear wrote:On November 27 2014 22:36 Holyflare wrote: jat did the same thing about me when he said "i dunno if hf pushing this is scummy or towny starting discussion" but you haven't seemed to bring that up at all. You did the same thing to me too, it's irrelevant whether it's about individual posts or overall posts it's wishy washy and has no conclusions. If you think it's alignment indicative then it's indicative about your alignment too. I've already explained what's different between my post and geripts... ................................. you want me to say whether it's alignment indicative. If I say your post is wishy washy and you tell me "yeh but geript's is too but what do you think that makes him?" then you are implying that wishy washy means an alignment when it doesn't. I've told you I liked what geript has said so quite clearly being wishy washy means nothing in that context.
That's the problem. I've said my post isn't wishy washy because I've brought things like "this guy looks town, I don't like this", period.
I believe being wishy washy is alignment indicative, unless you have specific meta read on someone.
##Vote: geript
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What do you think of WoS?
Having this pre game post in mind, I find his play underwhelming too.
On November 25 2014 04:50 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On November 25 2014 02:29 marvellosity wrote:On November 25 2014 02:24 WaveofShadow wrote: Trying to get one of jat/hf/marv lynched seems like way too much effort, and being on a scum team against that is also more effort than I think I want to give. so effectively you're too much of a pussy to play with competent players who fight their corner. Gotcha You're such a QT marv Edit: no but seriously it's more because I put shit tons of effort into every game in general and in the end it's either useless because A) my reads are fucking terrible and no amount of effort ever seems to change that B) my scum team roflstomps the town and I probably didn't need to try as hard as I did to do so. Either way it amounts me to spending waaayyy too much time on mafia for very little tangible reward other than kinda fucking me over RL-wise. If I knew how to limit myself when in a game I'd try that but I don't really.
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Bah. Boring.
##Unvote ##Vote: Superbia
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On November 27 2014 22:51 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On November 27 2014 22:48 GlowingBear wrote:What do you think of WoS? Having this pre game post in mind, I find his play underwhelming too. On November 25 2014 04:50 WaveofShadow wrote:On November 25 2014 02:29 marvellosity wrote:On November 25 2014 02:24 WaveofShadow wrote: Trying to get one of jat/hf/marv lynched seems like way too much effort, and being on a scum team against that is also more effort than I think I want to give. so effectively you're too much of a pussy to play with competent players who fight their corner. Gotcha You're such a QT marv Edit: no but seriously it's more because I put shit tons of effort into every game in general and in the end it's either useless because A) my reads are fucking terrible and no amount of effort ever seems to change that B) my scum team roflstomps the town and I probably didn't need to try as hard as I did to do so. Either way it amounts me to spending waaayyy too much time on mafia for very little tangible reward other than kinda fucking me over RL-wise. If I knew how to limit myself when in a game I'd try that but I don't really. is there literally anything you are gaining out of all of these asinine questions on players that haven't played the game yet? wave has done nothing
I'm planning on making this thread happen. Because it's page 23 and it didn't happen until now.
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On November 27 2014 23:00 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On November 27 2014 21:58 GlowingBear wrote:On November 27 2014 11:02 Elvis! wrote:There's no way I'm not town here: Like here. No one really inquired Elvis but he continues to joke like this. Superbia, on the other hand, answered with a joke post an inquire from obi. It's not that he looked like he was intentionally cluttering the thread. isn't that intentionally dodging? which is worse?
Hmm I think it would be if it wasn't for the joke phase. I don't know, haven't thought of that this way.
I think that, through a mafia perspective, if he really wanted to dodge a dangerous question, he would just ignore it...
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On November 27 2014 23:06 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On November 27 2014 22:53 GlowingBear wrote:On November 27 2014 22:51 Holyflare wrote:On November 27 2014 22:48 GlowingBear wrote:What do you think of WoS? Having this pre game post in mind, I find his play underwhelming too. On November 25 2014 04:50 WaveofShadow wrote:On November 25 2014 02:29 marvellosity wrote:On November 25 2014 02:24 WaveofShadow wrote: Trying to get one of jat/hf/marv lynched seems like way too much effort, and being on a scum team against that is also more effort than I think I want to give. so effectively you're too much of a pussy to play with competent players who fight their corner. Gotcha You're such a QT marv Edit: no but seriously it's more because I put shit tons of effort into every game in general and in the end it's either useless because A) my reads are fucking terrible and no amount of effort ever seems to change that B) my scum team roflstomps the town and I probably didn't need to try as hard as I did to do so. Either way it amounts me to spending waaayyy too much time on mafia for very little tangible reward other than kinda fucking me over RL-wise. If I knew how to limit myself when in a game I'd try that but I don't really. is there literally anything you are gaining out of all of these asinine questions on players that haven't played the game yet? wave has done nothing I'm planning on making this thread happen. Because it's page 23 and it didn't happen until now. For you to think this then you must think that thread discussion hasn't been happening. So why have you been telling us that Elvis! has been busy destroying discussion all along if you think you're only just "making this thread happen" now???
There was serious discussion going on. Nonetheless, it was a bad one since you can't get someone's alignment from that. The thread has stopped motion and I tried to gather information.
What's happening with you HF? You're pushing things that are silly to push since the beginning to the game
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On November 27 2014 22:57 Holyflare wrote: can you explain how you go from most definitely thinking wishy washy posts are alignment indicative and voting geript to somehow now voting for HIS top scum read???
Because reasons.
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On November 28 2014 01:08 ObiWanShinobi wrote: I hate how people use the lurking thing to justify understanding my underdeveloped scum meta, especially when I was working irl for most of that game.
Which one are you talking about?
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On November 28 2014 01:08 raynpelikoneet wrote: I kinda want to kill GB but his post on Elvis is spot on so meh.
Hahaha you're so bad at reading me
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On November 28 2014 01:17 Superbia wrote:Show nested quote +On November 27 2014 21:56 GlowingBear wrote:On November 27 2014 21:52 marvellosity wrote: GB, what's different about Elvis compared to Superbia? Superbia is underwhelming, but at least he didn't post images and didn't sound like he was trying to stop traction of any discussion. He is not to be overlooked, nonetheless, because he is also another a big walls poster Elaborate on this GB. Specifically, where did you get the idea that I'm a "big walls poster"?
From the big walls of post you make
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On November 28 2014 01:21 Superbia wrote:Show nested quote +On November 28 2014 01:21 GlowingBear wrote:On November 28 2014 01:17 Superbia wrote:On November 27 2014 21:56 GlowingBear wrote:On November 27 2014 21:52 marvellosity wrote: GB, what's different about Elvis compared to Superbia? Superbia is underwhelming, but at least he didn't post images and didn't sound like he was trying to stop traction of any discussion. He is not to be overlooked, nonetheless, because he is also another a big walls poster Elaborate on this GB. Specifically, where did you get the idea that I'm a "big walls poster"? From the big walls of post you make Which games?
Aww don't make me search for it...
Fanfic? I think fanfic.
You mostly post big lists
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HAHAHAHA funny things mafia hop on when you act weirdly
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On November 28 2014 02:08 Superbia wrote:Show nested quote +On November 28 2014 01:26 GlowingBear wrote:On November 28 2014 01:21 Superbia wrote:On November 28 2014 01:21 GlowingBear wrote:On November 28 2014 01:17 Superbia wrote:On November 27 2014 21:56 GlowingBear wrote:On November 27 2014 21:52 marvellosity wrote: GB, what's different about Elvis compared to Superbia? Superbia is underwhelming, but at least he didn't post images and didn't sound like he was trying to stop traction of any discussion. He is not to be overlooked, nonetheless, because he is also another a big walls poster Elaborate on this GB. Specifically, where did you get the idea that I'm a "big walls poster"? From the big walls of post you make Which games? Aww don't make me search for it... Fanfic? I think fanfic. You mostly post big lists You were an active part of last game's OBS QT, a game in which I was mafia and I survived the entire game. But rather than draw any correlations between my play that game and this game, you come up with a vague meta-read of "Superbia is a big list poster", which you can't even properly pin point to a fucking game, let alone an alignment. The fact that you were OBSing my scum-game from a couple of days ago, try to give a half-assed "read" on me based on "meta", during which you don't even refer to the scum-game I played a couple of days ago, is scummy as fuck. you're overreacting over a simple statement. It doesn't matter if I was part of the obs qt or not. In fact, you were too quiet and one liner in that game. I wasn't following it closely too, I've only skimmed a little.Let's move on to the rest of your game so far: Show nested quote +On November 27 2014 12:40 GlowingBear wrote:On November 27 2014 10:27 Holyflare wrote:On November 27 2014 10:24 ObiWanShinobi wrote: 1) Meh. Mafia always want to open early anyway since it becomes harder to open the longer the game goes on, so I don't see how you can draw such a definitive conclusion about someone not being here early. At the very least, this is how I would do it, so I don't put much stock into it.
2) Defensiveness isn't really a scumtell when you're threatening to lynch people off of very little. I fail to see how what you said dictates his alignment. not when role pm's get sent out an hour early because that's a whole hour of a mafia pm being left to sink in and so he'd just give up and go to bed early at rolling mafia in this probably stacked game i'm almost positive the first message in the qt is like "we're so fucked" look at your response, i ask you to comment on something you are reluctant but end up doing it anyway look at his response, i ask him to comment on it and he gives a VERY generic "i dont vote on ANYONE EVER early" response and then criticises me and leaves what good natured towny wants to shut down any productive discussion even if it's misplaced? the answer is no good natured towny ever I think holyflare is wrong. Believing JAT would be here doesn't makes him scum. I understand what HF says but that's too much WIFOM. I find weird the "we are fucked" thing. I can't understand how HF got to this conclusion. Keeping up a bad argument isn't scummy. I can see townie coming from that perspective. I also can see mafia. It means his post is null unless it is connected to some further behaviour.s I hate this post. You basically discredit HF's case but draw zero conclusions from it. What's the point? Why do you feel a need to comment on the case if you have nothing to add and JAT hasn't even posted yet? How does this help town? Protip: it doesn't. So you don't think that pointing out a bad argument that makes no one mafia doesn't help town? The conclusion I've drawn from it is that HFs case on JAT is wrong. I'm trying to put town on the right trackShow nested quote +On November 27 2014 21:45 GlowingBear wrote:On November 27 2014 08:31 geript wrote: Had what do you think of Sn0's opening? Like I dislike how awkward and unfunny it is. It feels worse to me because I remember him as a player who likes to fuck around a lot in the beginning. It was just a hit it and quit it thing. I also dislike how uncomfortable it comes off as in his response. Conversely though, he's a little dgaf which can be towny. I don't like this post. He makes it sound like snow is mafia for being unfunny, which, obviously, isn't a mafia trait. Snow likes to fuck around, well, that's what he did. If he had little participation, that's also not alignment indicative. Funny thing though is that geript concluded his thoughts saying that snow has a town trait. Which makes geripts post useless. Content less. Yet previously you say: Show nested quote +On November 27 2014 12:40 GlowingBear wrote:On November 27 2014 08:31 geript wrote: Had what do you think of Sn0's opening? Like I dislike how awkward and unfunny it is. It feels worse to me because I remember him as a player who likes to fuck around a lot in the beginning. It was just a hit it and quit it thing. I also dislike how uncomfortable it comes off as in his response. Conversely though, he's a little dgaf which can be towny. I like and hate this post at the same time. What did you like about the post before? Because you just said that the post had no content and was useless. Moreover, you manage to make two posts about the same fucking post and manage to draw zero conclusions from it. [b] The conclusion is that that post is bad and we should take a look on geript. And that's what we did. Funny thing that, in the other hand, you rush to draw conclusions from something you don't even have complete information yet ("what is good in this post"). You're trying to point out scummy things in me without even considering the whole scenario. The good thing about this post is that townies often call bad things out to generate discussion. Pointing that it's a bad argument is also part of the town role. Show nested quote +On November 27 2014 21:56 GlowingBear wrote:On November 27 2014 21:52 marvellosity wrote: GB, what's different about Elvis compared to Superbia? Elvis jokes were off and he mostly cluttered the thread when discussion was getting traction. Disrupting the discussion with spam felt mafiaish Also, in his last game, Elvis mostly posts only big wall of text with paranoid thoughts. He didn't do it here. Again, you reach zero actual conclusions here. Is Elvis mafia for doing this? Do you feel like a newer player would be trying to actively disrupt the game in which there are a lot of veterans as scum? Yes. It's more likely, though, as newbies tend to be ignored in the game and he could pull the newbie card. Is he mafia? I don't know, still too early, but it means we should take a look at him.Then GB goes for some weak fucking pushes on Elvis, followed by: Show nested quote +On November 27 2014 22:46 GlowingBear wrote:On November 27 2014 22:41 Holyflare wrote:On November 27 2014 22:38 GlowingBear wrote:On November 27 2014 22:36 Holyflare wrote: jat did the same thing about me when he said "i dunno if hf pushing this is scummy or towny starting discussion" but you haven't seemed to bring that up at all. You did the same thing to me too, it's irrelevant whether it's about individual posts or overall posts it's wishy washy and has no conclusions. If you think it's alignment indicative then it's indicative about your alignment too. I've already explained what's different between my post and geripts... ................................. you want me to say whether it's alignment indicative. If I say your post is wishy washy and you tell me "yeh but geript's is too but what do you think that makes him?" then you are implying that wishy washy means an alignment when it doesn't. I've told you I liked what geript has said so quite clearly being wishy washy means nothing in that context. That's the problem. I've said my post isn't wishy washy because I've brought things like "this guy looks town, I don't like this", period. I believe being wishy washy is alignment indicative, unless you have specific meta read on someone. ##Vote: geript And a couple of minutes later: Show nested quote +On November 27 2014 22:52 GlowingBear wrote: Bah. Boring.
##Unvote ##Vote: Superbia What the fuck? Why aren't you voting on Elvis, who you should have the bigger scumread on (judging by your posts)? You salty? does it makes me mafia? TL;DR: GB's non-spam posts reach 0 conclusions. GB's meta-read is shit-tier, and it shouldn't be. GB isn't doing anything for town. GB is mafai. ##Unvote##Vote: GlowingBear
Everything is forced in your case. I wonder if you're trying to generate discussion but it doesn't seems the case. It seems you're trying to look town tryhard. "Aggressiveness is a town trait, I'll be aggressive!"
My vote stays on you, now.
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Why not Superbia, HF? His case on me felt extremely forced
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On November 28 2014 05:09 ObiWanShinobi wrote: I'll stop lurking later tonight.
Maybe.
/lynch
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On November 28 2014 06:20 marvellosity wrote: well i think i townread rayn now i also think i townread holyflare and geript i townread obi sentinel might be town for terrible reasons palmar wildcard
already my list is shrinking
Why are you firmly townreading HF?
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Do I really have to answer Superbia's big post? Because I'm kinda bored with it.
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On November 28 2014 08:42 Superbia wrote:Show nested quote +On November 28 2014 08:39 GlowingBear wrote: Do I really have to answer Superbia's big post? Because I'm kinda bored with it. Am I scum?
Probably not. You're wrong on your read but I find your stream of thought genuine this time.
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On November 28 2014 08:43 Holyflare wrote: I quite clearly told you smash bros was released today. Gb is also my top suspect from my list post. You're just kind of rehashing what I've already said about him.
"he criticised ppl for wishy washy posts and said it was alignment indicative but he did the same thing as them" wrong and I've already explained why. Bothers me that you're constantly repeating it as I've already proven the opposite. "he voted his scum reads top mafia suspect" a very game-changing vote. Draws a lot of attention. Really easy for mafia to pick on. "he said he was making discussion happen but just asked about lurkers and did nothing " if you can't give thoughts on people who has few posts, day1 would never start. I was forcing you to put information on the thread " he pushed elvis for ruining discussion but said he was changing the thread so that discussion started " There is a difference in disrupting discussion from criticising the ongoing discussion
You're actually just copying the points i raised
In bold. Come on, HF.
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On November 28 2014 08:50 Superbia wrote:Show nested quote +On November 28 2014 08:44 GlowingBear wrote:On November 28 2014 08:42 Superbia wrote:On November 28 2014 08:39 GlowingBear wrote: Do I really have to answer Superbia's big post? Because I'm kinda bored with it. Am I scum? Probably not. You're wrong on your read but I find your stream of thought genuine this time. Can you respond to my post?
The big one? I can but... so much effort lol. I'm gonna dinner and answer it then.
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That's your opinion.
Btw, Superbia, I'm not a vet. Or am I? O.o
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On November 28 2014 09:11 Superbia wrote:Show nested quote +On November 28 2014 09:07 GlowingBear wrote: That's your opinion.
Btw, Superbia, I'm not a vet. Or am I? O.o I'm pretty sure you've played this game before. I've seen your name many times.
Since May... Not sure if it make and a vet.
How do you read marv?
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On November 28 2014 09:22 Superbia wrote:Show nested quote +On November 28 2014 09:20 marvellosity wrote: damn son, i have a shedload of posts (many of them pointless i admit) and you don't have a read on me?
D: Leaning town if anything. I haven't really had a reason to care that much.
Wait, what?? Why?
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On November 28 2014 09:23 Superbia wrote:Show nested quote +On November 28 2014 09:23 GlowingBear wrote:On November 28 2014 09:22 Superbia wrote:On November 28 2014 09:20 marvellosity wrote: damn son, i have a shedload of posts (many of them pointless i admit) and you don't have a read on me?
D: Leaning town if anything. I haven't really had a reason to care that much. Wait, what?? Why? Because he hasn't posted anything that stood out as scummy to me? Stop overacting.
You're basically saying that you don't care for discovering people's alignment, only if they vote for you.
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On November 28 2014 09:32 Superbia wrote:Show nested quote +On November 28 2014 09:25 GlowingBear wrote:On November 28 2014 09:23 Superbia wrote:On November 28 2014 09:23 GlowingBear wrote:On November 28 2014 09:22 Superbia wrote:On November 28 2014 09:20 marvellosity wrote: damn son, i have a shedload of posts (many of them pointless i admit) and you don't have a read on me?
D: Leaning town if anything. I haven't really had a reason to care that much. Wait, what?? Why? Because he hasn't posted anything that stood out as scummy to me? Stop overacting. You're basically saying that you don't care for discovering people's alignment, only if they vote for you. I don't even think you genuinely believe this. I did look at people who voted on me first, mainly because I know my alignment and I thought I had been pretty damn townie. I initially read you scummy because of your meta-read on me, which I know for a fact to be a 100% false. That being said, my town play for d1 is not to discover everyone's alignments. I look for standout scummy things and push on those, you stood out, I'm pushing on you.
A lot had been discussed regarding scum traits, yet you only have a scumread on the only person who is voting you. When I ask you about one of the most active players you say you don't have a read (which is okay) because you don't care!? (which is not okay).
So you think HF's case on JAT was good. He has been calling JAT scum. Yet only I stood out for you?
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WoS, deer, give reeds pls
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On November 28 2014 09:49 Superbia wrote:Show nested quote +On November 28 2014 09:42 GlowingBear wrote:On November 28 2014 09:32 Superbia wrote:On November 28 2014 09:25 GlowingBear wrote:On November 28 2014 09:23 Superbia wrote:On November 28 2014 09:23 GlowingBear wrote:On November 28 2014 09:22 Superbia wrote:On November 28 2014 09:20 marvellosity wrote: damn son, i have a shedload of posts (many of them pointless i admit) and you don't have a read on me?
D: Leaning town if anything. I haven't really had a reason to care that much. Wait, what?? Why? Because he hasn't posted anything that stood out as scummy to me? Stop overacting. You're basically saying that you don't care for discovering people's alignment, only if they vote for you. I don't even think you genuinely believe this. I did look at people who voted on me first, mainly because I know my alignment and I thought I had been pretty damn townie. I initially read you scummy because of your meta-read on me, which I know for a fact to be a 100% false. That being said, my town play for d1 is not to discover everyone's alignments. I look for standout scummy things and push on those, you stood out, I'm pushing on you. A lot had been discussed regarding scum traits, yet you only have a scumread on the only person who is voting you. When I ask you about one of the most active players you say you don't have a read (which is okay) because you don't care!? (which is not okay). So you think HF's case on JAT was good. He has been calling JAT scum. Yet only I stood out for you? I don't think the source of the scum-read matters if the scum-read is good, do you? I can see why you think me not really caring that much might irk you as town, but I've explained my d1 play before. What exactly is the confusion here? I did not feel strongly about JAT's case, but I was interested in the outcome. You were the one that stood out the most to me, I felt like your filter was pretty damn scummy, which is why I made a big case on you.
So I'm scum for pointing out the JAT case as bad, yet you didn't feel it was strong. Wanna know the outcome? I can tell you:
"You're scum for [insert bad reason]" "I'm town because [insert null reason]"
I'm totes scum. Marv also tore those two apart. He was the first one to do that, actually. Why aren't you scumreading him?
The way you say that you play day1 means nothing to me. The way I see you playing is most important to me.
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On November 28 2014 09:57 WaveofShadow wrote:First one that pops into my head just as a taste was Geript. Had a strong townread on him from the start of the game which has sort of lessened over time. Essentially this post: And then the townread he gave me for it after. I actually had no fucking clue what he was talking about, and that townread comes directly out of his ass, but at the time I fully believe that he believed it. He does weird shit that he expects me to understand all the time (almost exclusively as town, I believe unless someone can show me otherwise. Catastrophe is a good example). Like it actually took me going back and reading my own post 5-10 times to figure out what he thought was a subtle joke. Now I kinda wish I had done it on purpose 'cause it wasn't bad. Anyway, point being Geript gets all heady with his own towniness and weird reads secretz and whatnot when he's town. The tryhardiness isn't particularly indicative for him, and the fact that he's fallen off a great deal since then should really make that evident to the rest of you who townread him early for his posting. As to why my townread has fallen off a little, it's because Show nested quote +On November 28 2014 02:11 geript wrote: ##unvite ##vote:waveofshadow You have my sword Marv. That Superbia post just feels bad to me. Just like everyone else he offers no justification, assuming the vote on me can stand on its own simply because I am playing the way I am (and by the way, I would caution people to have a look at who has discussed me and what they have said. Pretty damn easy to get away with lynching someone like me as I have been. This might be less relevant if I decide to actually pick up my play/don't get lynched but we'll see I guess).
Fair enough. But they could be townies trying to pressure you so they can have a good read on a strong player.
Also, WoS, what's your read on me and Superbia?
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On November 28 2014 10:03 Superbia wrote:Show nested quote +On November 28 2014 09:54 GlowingBear wrote:On November 28 2014 09:49 Superbia wrote:On November 28 2014 09:42 GlowingBear wrote:On November 28 2014 09:32 Superbia wrote:On November 28 2014 09:25 GlowingBear wrote:On November 28 2014 09:23 Superbia wrote:On November 28 2014 09:23 GlowingBear wrote:On November 28 2014 09:22 Superbia wrote:On November 28 2014 09:20 marvellosity wrote: damn son, i have a shedload of posts (many of them pointless i admit) and you don't have a read on me?
D: Leaning town if anything. I haven't really had a reason to care that much. Wait, what?? Why? Because he hasn't posted anything that stood out as scummy to me? Stop overacting. You're basically saying that you don't care for discovering people's alignment, only if they vote for you. I don't even think you genuinely believe this. I did look at people who voted on me first, mainly because I know my alignment and I thought I had been pretty damn townie. I initially read you scummy because of your meta-read on me, which I know for a fact to be a 100% false. That being said, my town play for d1 is not to discover everyone's alignments. I look for standout scummy things and push on those, you stood out, I'm pushing on you. A lot had been discussed regarding scum traits, yet you only have a scumread on the only person who is voting you. When I ask you about one of the most active players you say you don't have a read (which is okay) because you don't care!? (which is not okay). So you think HF's case on JAT was good. He has been calling JAT scum. Yet only I stood out for you? I don't think the source of the scum-read matters if the scum-read is good, do you? I can see why you think me not really caring that much might irk you as town, but I've explained my d1 play before. What exactly is the confusion here? I did not feel strongly about JAT's case, but I was interested in the outcome. You were the one that stood out the most to me, I felt like your filter was pretty damn scummy, which is why I made a big case on you. So I'm scum for pointing out the JAT case as bad, yet you didn't feel it was strong. Wanna know the outcome? I can tell you: "You're scum for [insert bad reason]" "I'm town because [insert null reason]" I'm totes scum. Marv also tore those two apart. He was the first one to do that, actually. Why aren't you scumreading him? The way you say that you play day1 means nothing to me. The way I see you playing is most important to me. Yeah I remember Marv doing this, but I felt like it came from a more townie perspective at the time, like he was doing it to get a read on HF. I did not see a townie reason behind you diffusing the push. You later even complained that nothing was really happening.
Criticising a read is a way to keep discussion going, but to the right direction. Asking questions are a way to generate discussion.
Your double standards here bothers me.
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On November 28 2014 10:03 WaveofShadow wrote: Oops double post. And yes GB that is exactly what they could be doing, and exactly what I believe marv to be doing. I still don't think it makes any sense for him to actually think I'm scum, but I don't think I truly care.
You and Superbia? Haven't read much of that shitstorm. I think I remember siding with Superbia tbh earlier on and thinking your early play was bad. I seem to remember you wowing me a great deal as town in earlier games and you certainly haven't done so here.
Ok. I'm just having a hard time understanding what is so bad on pontng out things I don't like :/
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On November 28 2014 10:10 Superbia wrote:Show nested quote +On November 28 2014 10:04 GlowingBear wrote:On November 28 2014 10:03 Superbia wrote:On November 28 2014 09:54 GlowingBear wrote:On November 28 2014 09:49 Superbia wrote:On November 28 2014 09:42 GlowingBear wrote:On November 28 2014 09:32 Superbia wrote:On November 28 2014 09:25 GlowingBear wrote:On November 28 2014 09:23 Superbia wrote:On November 28 2014 09:23 GlowingBear wrote: [quote]
Wait, what?? Why? Because he hasn't posted anything that stood out as scummy to me? Stop overacting. You're basically saying that you don't care for discovering people's alignment, only if they vote for you. I don't even think you genuinely believe this. I did look at people who voted on me first, mainly because I know my alignment and I thought I had been pretty damn townie. I initially read you scummy because of your meta-read on me, which I know for a fact to be a 100% false. That being said, my town play for d1 is not to discover everyone's alignments. I look for standout scummy things and push on those, you stood out, I'm pushing on you. A lot had been discussed regarding scum traits, yet you only have a scumread on the only person who is voting you. When I ask you about one of the most active players you say you don't have a read (which is okay) because you don't care!? (which is not okay). So you think HF's case on JAT was good. He has been calling JAT scum. Yet only I stood out for you? I don't think the source of the scum-read matters if the scum-read is good, do you? I can see why you think me not really caring that much might irk you as town, but I've explained my d1 play before. What exactly is the confusion here? I did not feel strongly about JAT's case, but I was interested in the outcome. You were the one that stood out the most to me, I felt like your filter was pretty damn scummy, which is why I made a big case on you. So I'm scum for pointing out the JAT case as bad, yet you didn't feel it was strong. Wanna know the outcome? I can tell you: "You're scum for [insert bad reason]" "I'm town because [insert null reason]" I'm totes scum. Marv also tore those two apart. He was the first one to do that, actually. Why aren't you scumreading him? The way you say that you play day1 means nothing to me. The way I see you playing is most important to me. Yeah I remember Marv doing this, but I felt like it came from a more townie perspective at the time, like he was doing it to get a read on HF. I did not see a townie reason behind you diffusing the push. You later even complained that nothing was really happening. Criticising a read is a way to keep discussion going, but to the right direction. Asking questions are a way to generate discussion. Your double standards here bothers me. The problem is that you instantly give a read on HF based on the push you just tried to diffuse, which is literally null. Like I would understand a town motivation if you would actually give a new direction to town or start asking questions right after (specifically towards HF), but you do nothing.
Saying a read is bad =\= read someone as scum. I don't remember reading HF as scum. You can see through my activity, though, that I tried to gather information to be more able to read people.
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Well, I'm not impressed: you've played with a bunch of lol players. If it was dota, on the other hand... You would stick into playing.
WoS, your demotivation is starting to sound forced. You discussing with marv isn't taking us nowhere. Can you ignore him for a moment?
I'd love to hear your thoughts on HF. I kinda don't know how do I read him
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On November 28 2014 10:35 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On November 28 2014 10:34 GlowingBear wrote: Well, I'm not impressed: you've played with a bunch of lol players. If it was dota, on the other hand... You would stick into playing.
WoS, your demotivation is starting to sound forced. You discussing with marv isn't taking us nowhere. Can you ignore him for a moment?
I'd love to hear your thoughts on HF. I kinda don't know how do I read him I think the direct opposite of this. Only now do I think it's genuine... interesting
Well marv, if WoS is THAT demotivated, I wonder why Elvis was the first to be replaced. There is a long list of replacements and if WoS is so regretful for signing in, he can just ask to be replaced. I don't want this, though, because I love WoS.
+ Show Spoiler [WARNING:bad WIFOM and unflipped associ…] + Your discussion with WoS was so shit and the motive you take your vote out of him is so bad that I wouldn't be surprised if you're both mafia faking a discussion
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On November 28 2014 10:55 WaveofShadow wrote: Ugh GB I remember thinking you were really good but that spoilered section...jeez. I didn't ask to be replaced and CAN WE PLEASE STOP TALKING ABOUT THIS.
YES WE CAN (Obama forever)
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Give me ONE reason why that isn't possible.
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On November 28 2014 10:58 marvellosity wrote: almost anything is possible, doesn't mean it's remotely likely in any way
It's likely. Your discussion with WoS had nothing prolific to town. All it was was you saying WoS is scum because he is demotivated and WoS saying that your ego is boring, over and over again. The. You Unvote him because he is demotivated. Makes no sense.
Also marv, I have seen very active, but I haven't seen you actually trying to solve the game. You're just engaging arguments for the sake of arguing, but not drawing any conclusions.
Also, when Superbia pushed me, you felt he was town but you were not convinced with what he brought. It means you're kinda hesitating into reading me as scum. Instead of pushing me or him, you engaged an useless discussion with WoS. I kept discussing with Superbia but you didn't seem to care. It's strange, though, because you are not certain of my alignment.
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On November 28 2014 10:59 marvellosity wrote: so are we mafia faking it? or you just tossing it out there for giggles?
It crossed my mind and I felt like sharing.
I'm starting to believe you could be scum.
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Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that's the read I have on all this discussion. But, by the way you were discussing, this idea is likely.
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On November 28 2014 11:05 marvellosity wrote: I literally said to Superbia that I'd like to see it play out with you...
remember that fanfic game, i said i was sad that i coached you, that was only if you were town, because you were saying/pushing some really dumb shit. you were mafia so it was ok.
*shrug*
No, you were sad because I voted you for no reason.
I'm town here so you can start crying a river.
I can't see how this is ridiculous.
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On November 28 2014 11:07 marvellosity wrote: ##Vote: GlowingBear
Bah.
GG. Sheep marv. He's got the read. I'm a red magikarp.
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On November 28 2014 11:04 GlowingBear wrote: Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that's the read I have on all this discussion. But, by the way you were discussing, this idea is likely.
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On November 28 2014 11:13 marvellosity wrote: most of all i just want damdy to post
g'night
You can also tell us what you've got from the outcome between me and Superbia.
Kthxbai
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On November 28 2014 11:41 geript wrote: Right now I'm thinking about GB. He had the early tow read on Obi that seemed meh. The recent stuff of his has bugged me too but that was from following instead of reading so I want to catch up on that. Damdrd kinda bugs me because he's a bit more active as town and I think he'd be super excited to play and post if Elvis rolled town. Palmer is palmering. I know I'm forgetting other stuff. What do you think of HF?
"Think of me with kindness Please remember former days Sweet the song that once we sang The silent parting ways"
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If damdred doesn't like me, the probability of we both being town raises exponentially
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I'm really annoyed about people scumreading me or calling me dumb.
Can you guys break down those reads to this dumb magikarp so I can understand what I'm being accused of?
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On November 28 2014 11:57 Damdred wrote: Then what does it mean that I really like Geript up to page 25 mean gb hrm!!!???!!!
It means you're
+ Show Spoiler +
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Btw WoS sounds completely different from the guilty mafia WoS. You're subduing much more townish here. It's marv I'm not liking.
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Gonna sleep.
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On November 28 2014 12:07 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On November 28 2014 12:05 GlowingBear wrote: Btw WoS sounds completely different from the guilty mafia WoS. You're subduing much more townish here. It's marv I'm not liking. Pls you don't know what I sound like as mafia. You only caught me in Guilty due to host error and process of elimination. (And stupid fucking Robik).
I'm saying that you sound different from that game. If I caught you or not is not in question
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On November 28 2014 12:07 Damdred wrote: Why don't you like marv gb
It's in my filter damdy.
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On November 28 2014 12:11 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On November 28 2014 12:08 GlowingBear wrote:On November 28 2014 12:07 WaveofShadow wrote:On November 28 2014 12:05 GlowingBear wrote: Btw WoS sounds completely different from the guilty mafia WoS. You're subduing much more townish here. It's marv I'm not liking. Pls you don't know what I sound like as mafia. You only caught me in Guilty due to host error and process of elimination. (And stupid fucking Robik). I'm saying that you sound different from that game. If I caught you or not is not in question And what about me sounds different? You sound different too, and in that game you were town.
You're actually contributing. You're now putting genuine thoughts and taking stances that are your own. You did not complain about the joke phase being gone (you wanted so much that the joke phase would go on on guilty mafia that you even pusses Kelsen sc off).
My town playstyle is constantly changing. For bad, it seems. I was never called dumb and stupid so many times since I started playing. It's annoying the shit out if me, specially when my reads are right.
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On November 28 2014 12:29 geript wrote: @gB. Why does your meta change so much? Is it intentional?
No it's not. It's because I'm constantly trying to refine my gameplay. I always learn a lesson from each game.
I also think of my role as town in each game, mostly considering the playlist. As a lot of good analysers signed in, my plan as town was to point out things and generate discussion, and evaluate other players reads. I'm looking scummy for that and I sincerely have no idea why
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On November 28 2014 12:49 Damdred wrote: @GB, when you get back talk to me more about your marv misgivings there really isn't much in your filter about why hes scummy besides you don't see him trying to solve the game in the way you want him to. Could you point out some things in his filter to me that you think points to scum marv and a scum mindset rather than town marv?
@Wave, Who would you want to lynch right now if you could and all of us would sheep you onto it?
I will do this soon.
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Marv thinks my early townread on obi is weird, yet he also townread him.
On November 27 2014 20:23 marvellosity wrote: Superbia's underwhelming but it's a little thin.
Got nothing on Sn0.
One of the reasons I liked Obi is because he asked Superbia about the post he made saying Sn0 was contributing to look like he was contributing. I almost responded to that post as super weak right then, but decided to leave it, and a couple posts later Obi questioned it. And Superbia deflected.
Unsure whether it's early game silliness related as yet
You may not agree with the motives I bring to townread someone, but when you've got the same impression from the same player, it's nitpicking to say the person is giving weird read. Calling me scummy for that looks scummy to me.
On November 27 2014 20:40 marvellosity wrote: my read on GB was Obi related, I thought Obi's question about reading him was pertinent and correct, also I thought GB pulled up a really generic post of Obi's to justify the townread.
dunno, maybe he actually believes it though.
So, now he says he doesn't know if I really believe that. So his willing to shoot me is justified by a null read. I'd expect town to push me, to ask me questions before calling someone scum. Instead, marv thought I was scum before justifying it, and then, when justified, it's a null read. He doesn't hard push me after that, which is odd, for I am his leaning scum.
So, JAT starts pushing Rayn, and marv intervenes with this:
On November 27 2014 21:04 marvellosity wrote: In rayn's defence, JAT, he often misremembers how events occurred in past games. I've noticed it several times before.
If marv has a leaning scum on Rayn, if he is interested in discovering rayn's alignment: 1) Why is he letting JAT do the dirty work, instead committing to it himself? 2) Why does he intervene like that to make Rayn comfortable with the push? See, he is taking a very passive stance regarding his scumreads, which is a way to hide, to not put his hand in the fire. But still, while commenting things like that, he looks contributive.
Now, compare these two posts:
On November 28 2014 02:10 marvellosity wrote: well your case definitely demonstrates GB's play is weird as shit Superbia. Whether that makes him mafia is another question.
Let's lynch wave instead?
On November 28 2014 06:11 marvellosity wrote: Sn0, snap-reads on GB-Elvis-Superbia?
They're all grouped in my head.
This doesn't make sense. He's being scumreading me. Then he says he is semi gone on me being mafia. Then he says Superbia's post about me it's good and shows that my gameplay is weird, but that doesn't makes me mafia. Now he includes me in a group where there might be mafia in there. I can't understand this stream of thought. And remember: I gave him all of my scum games and he didn't compare any of them with my current gameplay yet, just what he remembers while playing with me. He asked those games for nothing.
Another example of him being wishy washy, being passive:
On November 28 2014 06:20 marvellosity wrote: well i think i townread rayn now i also think i townread holyflare and geript i townread obi sentinel might be town for terrible reasons palmar wildcard
already my list is shrinking
I have no problem with townreads. But it's already page 6-7 in his filter and he doesn't have a single scumread instead of calling me scum but not really. It bothers me that he isn't pushing anybody, attacking anybody. He is still taking a very passive instance. Passive stance =\= activity. You can be very active while ACTING passive.
Again a non committal post, on spoiler:
+ Show Spoiler +On November 28 2014 06:25 marvellosity wrote: the thing with HF is, right, I think he would be a bit more "rounded" as mafia. He went hard out the gates at jat and ended up with a list full of non-players and jat, who he kinda seems to be tunnelling. I think as mafia he'd be going at someone more than his original case on jat. but at the same time he backed off jat after i lectured him about it (I like to think it was me). I think a lot of his posts feel ok.
i think i missed quite a few of HF's scumgames, but i remember last time i felt ok about holyflare in... maybe cell? i was right there.
anyway it's not strong but that's the lean.
Now this:
On November 28 2014 08:34 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On November 28 2014 08:29 justanothertownie wrote:On November 28 2014 08:21 marvellosity wrote: well Palmar was only a wildcard.
Superbia your post reads pretty well to me, but my gut isn't wholeheartedly in it just yet. I'd like to see it play out between you.
I will say that that post does a better job of demonstrating suspicion than your last one did which demonstrated "badness" more, for wont of a better word Yeah? I think he is on the list for now. I only remember FFL2 and the werewolf game and superbias reads in those games where extremely superficial and non commital according to my memory. I'll check out Superbia's games at some point before EOD. My memory of Superbia is being unmemorable as mafia, it's how i casually guessed at him the couple of games i vaguely saw. not seen him play town i don't think. I just meant he hadn't bought my vote on GB yet.
God if Superbia looks good, if he has no information on Elvis, if he has been leaning scum on me, and he thinks there is mafia between us three, WHY ISN'T HIM CONVINCED THAT I'M MAFIA??? Marv is extremely passive.
Now, there is also that WoS push that felt completely weird. His vote was completely random and he was convinced by something that shouldn't be motive to drop a pressure vote. Their argument was pretty bad and sterile. Me and Superbia engaged on strong arguments but marv didn't commented on them. He said he would like to see the outcome. Funny. He didn't want to see the outcome of JAT and Rayn, who he had scumreads, and he commented on them. But on me and Superbia? Nah.
Now that we've finished the discussion, marv didn't comment on the outcome. Lol
Marv, you were going to say you have 11 pages filter right? Two things:
On November 27 2014 09:17 marvellosity wrote: HF, I met someone just like you in the champion of champions game. He had like a zillion more posts than everyone else and flipped mafia
You also posted a 58 pages filter game here. I think that, for that pre game stuff, I believe you would go for the active mafia after these things. Your filter argument is utter shit and it makes me believe even more that you're scum as you know you're very capable to keep activity high as mafia.
##Unvote ##Vote: marv
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And now I'm late for work because I've spent a huge time doing this on a phone.
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On November 29 2014 00:49 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On November 29 2014 00:46 GlowingBear wrote:Marv thinks my early townread on obi is weird, yet he also townread him. On November 27 2014 20:23 marvellosity wrote: Superbia's underwhelming but it's a little thin.
Got nothing on Sn0.
One of the reasons I liked Obi is because he asked Superbia about the post he made saying Sn0 was contributing to look like he was contributing. I almost responded to that post as super weak right then, but decided to leave it, and a couple posts later Obi questioned it. And Superbia deflected.
Unsure whether it's early game silliness related as yet You may not agree with the motives I bring to townread someone, but when you've got the same impression from the same player, it's nitpicking to say the person is giving weird read. Calling me scummy for that looks scummy to me. This is an absolutely terrible point, and I can't believe you are so bad as to bring this up? If you're townreading someone for the wrong reasons, it's absolutely right to bring it up, even if i'm also townreading the guy this is mindbogglingly bad GB
Of course you can call that out. Reading me scum for it? Hardly.
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On November 28 2014 21:07 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On November 28 2014 12:29 geript wrote: @gB. Why does your meta change so much? Is it intentional? No it's not. It's because I'm constantly trying to refine my gameplay. I always learn a lesson from each game. I also think of my role as town in each game, mostly considering the playlist. As a lot of good analysers signed in, my plan as town was to point out things and generate discussion, and evaluate other players reads. I'm looking scummy for that and I sincerely have no idea why
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Funny though marv, you've only picked the easily defendable parts of my case, but didn't explain the bolded.
Being wishy washy on one post is suspicious but not mafiaish. Being passive throughout the game is.
By the way I'm rescinding my town read on obi since he is playing just like he played when he was mafia
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On November 29 2014 01:48 marvellosity wrote:where did Superbia go where did GB go where is rayn where did Sn0 go
Marv, I've just got to work. Won't be too active.
Btw I'd rather lynch the scummy lurker rather than you day1. The case stays there, though.
Answering your question, yes, you're very capable. But that's the problem marv. You're so capable of finding scum that, if you keep mislynching, you'll be lynched in later days. It's exactly how it happens with hapa.
The better option is to not compromise yourself, which I believe it's what you're doing.
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Superbia Sentinel Sno
I'd lynch between these.
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On November 29 2014 02:17 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On November 29 2014 02:15 GlowingBear wrote: Superbia Sentinel Sno
I'd lynch between these. Why? You were suspicious of Elvis earlier, has Damdred looked townie to you?
Yes he did. Again, he took stances and talked more freely than he commonly does when he is mafia. I think letting him live is better than lynching him already on day1.
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We have to organise wagons, town. We are too much dispersive.
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On November 29 2014 02:50 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: Aight, first four reads
Marv - town. He keeps going on about his long filter, so I checked his most recent scum games and found exactly that. He's had two filters longer than 13 pages recently as scum, with 25 pages in Shadow over seven days and 15 pages in Desert over four days. So still far less than 13 in half of day 1.
Also his play is very similar to what it was in ##Mafia, where he spammed up the thread but only to get others talking. And he was town there. Which makes me think he's town right now.
HF - null-town. Not as memorable, but he seems to be chugging along. Poked a few holes in JAT's reasoning, is focused on pressuring. Fantastic.
Superbia - null. Not too sure about him yet. Structurally his filter is about the same as it was in Campus. I think the key element of his scum play is how you forget his presence, and I don't know if I'm getting that feel from this game just yet. I mean, I forget a lot of players, so maybe that's not the best metric for me to be making decisions on.
JAT - I'm gonna rig his vote. But really, null, maybe a bit scummy. The thing HF called him out on, having problems with geript's reads and then posting his about the same reads in an about the same manner, makes me question JAT a little bit. I don't know how to feel about him right now.
Cool, so, no one to lynch.
Very important contribution
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##Unvote ##Vote:Superbia
Let's get this going.
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Where's sentinel with his scumreads?
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Rayn, are you really scumreading palmar?
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On November 29 2014 04:44 WaveofShadow wrote: Welp, town lynch today boyos.
Were you mafia on the shadow game?
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Geript, how do you read sentinel?
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On November 29 2014 04:59 geript wrote:Show nested quote +On November 29 2014 04:56 GlowingBear wrote: Geript, how do you read sentinel? Maybe town. I think I missed his recent posts. He had a post regarding lynching Rayn that I kinda liked because it reflected how I felt. Haven't been a huge fan all game but I think his snarky response to me was kinda towny.
What do you think of his lack of scumread and the fact that he is voting with you?
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Damdred will flip town and you're all stupid for that.
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On November 29 2014 06:00 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On November 29 2014 05:59 GlowingBear wrote: Damdred will flip town and you're all stupid for that. why and who do we lynch then?
Because I don't feel he is town and because I find odd that geript is voting with one I free guys he said "oh we can let them live" when he had no motive to do that and also because he is voting with Sno, who, if I remember correctly, was scumread by geript
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Rayn you're also wasting your vote on WoS. Palmar is palmar
Superbia reads me as scum but he is doing nothing to get me killed and he is not caring to identify damdreds alignment, when he scumread me for doing a weak push on Elvis, the slot that is getting lynched right now. He should be trying to lynch me or at least defend damdred if he thinks I'm scum.
He is wasting his vote voting on me. He is the best lunch target for today.
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Mistype. I feel he is town.
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On November 29 2014 06:07 raynpelikoneet wrote: also GB why are you even saying this. Who do you think i will vote if not Wave?
Nobody is willing to kill WoS today Rayn, you'll be wasting breath and time for nothing. Focus the possible lynch targets and give ideas.
Read what I've said about Superbia.
He is here, GODAMMIT.
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On November 29 2014 06:09 marvellosity wrote: yeah his posts to you there rayn do feel quite similar to how he was talking to me about my vote on him earlier.
GB, am I still mafia?
You could be but I'm not willing to try to lunch you today because my case was universally read as bad and I could be wrong, and also I'm not one to lynch the biggest filter day one, regardless how scummy he looks, because we can deal with the information he has brought on day2
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On November 29 2014 06:10 Superbia wrote:Show nested quote +On November 29 2014 06:04 GlowingBear wrote: Rayn you're also wasting your vote on WoS. Palmar is palmar
Superbia reads me as scum but he is doing nothing to get me killed and he is not caring to identify damdreds alignment, when he scumread me for doing a weak push on Elvis, the slot that is getting lynched right now. He should be trying to lynch me or at least defend damdred if he thinks I'm scum.
He is wasting his vote voting on me. He is the best lunch target for today. Why the fuck would I ever defend DamD? Also I scumread you mainly because your reads and pushes were weak as shit. And the Elvis read was illogical on top of that. The fact that your push on damd was so weak and the fact that your vote never ended on him actually makes it very possible that you two are scum together.
You're assuming I've pointed out a partner when there was noone on him. Most stupid idea on day1.
You're now just defending yourself.
I bet you're scum.
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On November 29 2014 06:13 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On November 29 2014 06:12 GlowingBear wrote:On November 29 2014 06:09 marvellosity wrote: yeah his posts to you there rayn do feel quite similar to how he was talking to me about my vote on him earlier.
GB, am I still mafia? You could be but I'm not willing to try to lunch you today because my case was universally read as bad and I could be wrong, and also I'm not one to lynch the biggest filter day one, regardless how scummy he looks, because we can deal with the information he has brought on day2 not a very good answer
I don't care what you think of my answer, marv. I'll post my thoughts however they come to me and you evaluate that at your own will. If you think I'm scum then fucking lynch me, see me flipping green, and try to understand what happened.
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On November 29 2014 06:13 Holyflare wrote: Gb why did you say earlier you have a hard time reading me when last post game i was in you said my meta was blown wide open and i was am easy read now?
Because you haven't done your tell yet. The tell I think I could be right
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Anyway, my boss is calling me out for using the phone too much, I'll be back in one hour.
Lynch Superbia. Read what I said about him.
Calls me scum for weak push on Elvis --> makes a forced read on me --> calls me scum throghout the whole day1 without even considering other option, not caring for any other interaction --> doesn't try to lynch me, neither to defend the slot I called out.
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On November 29 2014 06:18 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On November 29 2014 06:15 GlowingBear wrote:On November 29 2014 06:13 marvellosity wrote:On November 29 2014 06:12 GlowingBear wrote:On November 29 2014 06:09 marvellosity wrote: yeah his posts to you there rayn do feel quite similar to how he was talking to me about my vote on him earlier.
GB, am I still mafia? You could be but I'm not willing to try to lunch you today because my case was universally read as bad and I could be wrong, and also I'm not one to lynch the biggest filter day one, regardless how scummy he looks, because we can deal with the information he has brought on day2 not a very good answer I don't care what you think of my answer, marv. I'll post my thoughts however they come to me and you evaluate that at your own will. If you think I'm scum then fucking lynch me, see me flipping green, and try to understand what happened. well i'd understand you made a shit read on me and i lynched you for it, that's what i'd understand dear.
You'll have information of people who joined the wagon and from my scumreads as genuine. Brb
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OH MY GOD LISTEN TO ME GOD DAMMIT!!!! SUPERBIA IS YET NOT TRYING TO KILL ME AND HE IS ASSUMING ME AND ELVIS ARE SCUM
I SAID YOUR SECOND POST WAS GENUINE, SUPERBIA, NOT THE FIRST ONE.
WHARRGABRL
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FOR CHRIST SAKE MARV, WHY WOULD I, AS SCUM, GO AGAINST ONE OF THE MOST AGGRESSIVE AND PERSUASIVE PLAYERS ON THE THREAD? WHY WOULD I TAKE THIS STANCE IF I KNEW DAMDRED WAS GOING TO DIE INSTEAD OF ME?
THAT'S EXACTLY THE POSITION SUPERBIA IS IN. HE IS NOT GETTING LYNCHED, THEREFORE, FUCK HIS SCUNREAD, HE'LL JUST STAND BY AND SEE THE GUY I CALLED OUT BEING LYNCHED.
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On November 29 2014 06:40 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On November 29 2014 06:38 GlowingBear wrote: FOR CHRIST SAKE MARV, WHY WOULD I, AS SCUM, GO AGAINST ONE OF THE MOST AGGRESSIVE AND PERSUASIVE PLAYERS ON THE THREAD? WHY WOULD I TAKE THIS STANCE IF I KNEW DAMDRED WAS GOING TO DIE INSTEAD OF ME?
THAT'S EXACTLY THE POSITION SUPERBIA IS IN. HE IS NOT GETTING LYNCHED, THEREFORE, FUCK HIS SCUNREAD, HE'LL JUST STAND BY AND SEE THE GUY I CALLED OUT BEING LYNCHED. Maybe to say exactly this? This anger is unwarranted and I don't know if I believe that it is genuine.
Lol. Gg.
You won't listen to me.
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On November 29 2014 06:47 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On November 29 2014 06:45 GlowingBear wrote:On November 29 2014 06:40 justanothertownie wrote:On November 29 2014 06:38 GlowingBear wrote: FOR CHRIST SAKE MARV, WHY WOULD I, AS SCUM, GO AGAINST ONE OF THE MOST AGGRESSIVE AND PERSUASIVE PLAYERS ON THE THREAD? WHY WOULD I TAKE THIS STANCE IF I KNEW DAMDRED WAS GOING TO DIE INSTEAD OF ME?
THAT'S EXACTLY THE POSITION SUPERBIA IS IN. HE IS NOT GETTING LYNCHED, THEREFORE, FUCK HIS SCUNREAD, HE'LL JUST STAND BY AND SEE THE GUY I CALLED OUT BEING LYNCHED. Maybe to say exactly this? This anger is unwarranted and I don't know if I believe that it is genuine. Lol. Gg. You won't listen to me. I will listen if you present me a reasonable argument. WIFOM about what you would or would not do as scum alone is not gonna cut it and like Superbia I don't think that damdred and you could not both be scum.
I've repeated two times why Superbia is scum and you're focusing on the first hard defense I've made myself. This is you not listening to me
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On November 29 2014 07:12 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On November 29 2014 07:08 GlowingBear wrote:On November 29 2014 06:47 justanothertownie wrote:On November 29 2014 06:45 GlowingBear wrote:On November 29 2014 06:40 justanothertownie wrote:On November 29 2014 06:38 GlowingBear wrote: FOR CHRIST SAKE MARV, WHY WOULD I, AS SCUM, GO AGAINST ONE OF THE MOST AGGRESSIVE AND PERSUASIVE PLAYERS ON THE THREAD? WHY WOULD I TAKE THIS STANCE IF I KNEW DAMDRED WAS GOING TO DIE INSTEAD OF ME?
THAT'S EXACTLY THE POSITION SUPERBIA IS IN. HE IS NOT GETTING LYNCHED, THEREFORE, FUCK HIS SCUNREAD, HE'LL JUST STAND BY AND SEE THE GUY I CALLED OUT BEING LYNCHED. Maybe to say exactly this? This anger is unwarranted and I don't know if I believe that it is genuine. Lol. Gg. You won't listen to me. I will listen if you present me a reasonable argument. WIFOM about what you would or would not do as scum alone is not gonna cut it and like Superbia I don't think that damdred and you could not both be scum. I've repeated two times why Superbia is scum and you're focusing on the first hard defense I've made myself. This is you not listening to me I focused on the post that I quoted and we both were talking about. To me it seems like your whole argument is that superbia is fine with lynching damdred or you. I don't see why he could not have scumreads on both of you since I personally kinda do.
This is not what I'm saying. I'm saying he isn't trying to lynch me and he is okay that someone he obviously townread is going to be lynched. He only got back to talking now that I'm pointing him out.
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Lol people, just look at the vote count.
3, 4 votes spreader and a huge wagon with only one person against if. You really believe that damdred isn't going to flip town? Lol
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On November 29 2014 07:16 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On November 29 2014 07:14 GlowingBear wrote:On November 29 2014 07:12 justanothertownie wrote:On November 29 2014 07:08 GlowingBear wrote:On November 29 2014 06:47 justanothertownie wrote:On November 29 2014 06:45 GlowingBear wrote:On November 29 2014 06:40 justanothertownie wrote:On November 29 2014 06:38 GlowingBear wrote: FOR CHRIST SAKE MARV, WHY WOULD I, AS SCUM, GO AGAINST ONE OF THE MOST AGGRESSIVE AND PERSUASIVE PLAYERS ON THE THREAD? WHY WOULD I TAKE THIS STANCE IF I KNEW DAMDRED WAS GOING TO DIE INSTEAD OF ME?
THAT'S EXACTLY THE POSITION SUPERBIA IS IN. HE IS NOT GETTING LYNCHED, THEREFORE, FUCK HIS SCUNREAD, HE'LL JUST STAND BY AND SEE THE GUY I CALLED OUT BEING LYNCHED. Maybe to say exactly this? This anger is unwarranted and I don't know if I believe that it is genuine. Lol. Gg. You won't listen to me. I will listen if you present me a reasonable argument. WIFOM about what you would or would not do as scum alone is not gonna cut it and like Superbia I don't think that damdred and you could not both be scum. I've repeated two times why Superbia is scum and you're focusing on the first hard defense I've made myself. This is you not listening to me I focused on the post that I quoted and we both were talking about. To me it seems like your whole argument is that superbia is fine with lynching damdred or you. I don't see why he could not have scumreads on both of you since I personally kinda do. This is not what I'm saying. I'm saying he isn't trying to lynch me and he is okay that someone he obviously townread is going to be lynched. He only got back to talking now that I'm pointing him out. When did superbia say he townreads damdred?
He said my push on Elvis was weak, which means he was townreading Elvis and scumreading me. That's what he did.
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Mislynch damdred then. Or me.
I don't fucking care anymore.
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On November 29 2014 07:38 marvellosity wrote: are we going to yolo kill someone?
Superbia, if you want to lynch scum.
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Him coming back or not isn't alignment indicative.
Him coming to the thread and defending me while I could be easily mislynched is alignment indicative.
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Oh it has ended
I've got noone right
Bummer.
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My mislynch was bad by the way
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On December 03 2014 09:34 marvellosity wrote: not as bad as your case on me bbz
What are you talking about, deer? It was #bestcase2014
Mafia awards nomination puhleeze.
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On December 03 2014 09:40 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On December 03 2014 09:39 GlowingBear wrote:On December 03 2014 09:34 marvellosity wrote: not as bad as your case on me bbz What are you talking about, deer? It was #bestcase2014 Mafia awards nomination puhleeze. ok tbh it wasn't terrible in a vacuum, it's just not how you read me at all, that's all
Tbh I've scumread you because you couldn't read me as town after I did and actually simulated all the town traits you've told me once.
I almost bashed my head to the computer
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On December 03 2014 10:05 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On December 03 2014 10:02 Damdred wrote: Nah I blame myself should of pushed things harder d1 and explained what I thought more I would of been ok, I got really annoyed d1 maybe, but the whole rayn thing was the only reason you got lynched d2, you couldn't have played much better one small bit of advice, make sure you pay attention to what other ppl are saying. main example is you were scumreading superbia and jat? or hf? gave a really good reason why superbia was town based on some stuff rayn did, but you didn't appear to acknowledge it at all in your read of him.
This actually is a huge advice to me.
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On December 03 2014 11:23 Damdred wrote: GB and I actually read each other correctly and fot lynched in consecutive games the universe couldn't stand it.
HAHAHAHAHA we were divided by zero
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My meta read on you was that you don't say you're sorry for something silly when you're scum, but it's proven it's wrong :/
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On December 03 2014 21:11 justanothertownie wrote: GlowingBear 11-29-2014 09:51 PM ET (US) I'm drun If I was in the game I would hammer mafia
-> look at GBs lynch list -> laugh your ass off
I wasn't drunk when I made that list
My list is awful anyway LOLOLOLOL
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Thanksgiving is awesome. It marks the start of the annihilation of a society.
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