On December 02 2014 12:05 sicklucker wrote: Like I definitely correctly read damdred so im not sure what hopeless is going on about. Ive never said im 100% about anyone but I did before he was killed. The reason I was paranoid is because he asked qeustions that had already been answered at the start of the game. He did that all the time when he was mafia.
When he convinced me I knew he couldnt be mafia. Even tho we had different viewpoints on the game. I was paranoid tho that he could be adapting based on his early game qeustions tho. But in the end I said im ride or die with him never voting him off and then what do you know mafia believes me and he dies.
Lol >< SL, not sure that's why he died you goofball. Could be as simple as he came out looking very town. My paranoid theory on that I'm shelving for the time being. We need a scum flip bad, or all this speculation is gonna bury us :/
Going to bed at a reasonable time for me tonight, so last comment for awhile:
Currently, the majority of my unknowns/question marks are on meat (apart from HTS). As long as I'm more or less equally suspicious of both options -shrugs- So I'm sticking with LS at this time. Will check back in the morning. Nite folks.
On December 02 2014 22:38 Breshke wrote: LS who would you be voting for if meat wasnt an option and why? same question for you meat but change your name with LS obviously.
rsoultin because I truly believe he is scum because of his actions on Day 1 and 2 combined I started to think he is scum towards the end of Day 2 when he called HTS a Vanilla Town which I would say is a scum slip and later on he started look scummier by the post in my eyes.
If you can give me a reason that isn't echoing bats I'll entertain that you've had a single original idea in this game. Here's a start. Which actions on Day 1 and Day 2? When did I call HTS a Vanilla Town? Your defense was bats' posts before. Now what he said again. Give me something original, LS. Please.
On December 02 2014 22:38 Breshke wrote: LS who would you be voting for if meat wasnt an option and why? same question for you meat but change your name with LS obviously.
rsoultin because I truly believe he is scum because of his actions on Day 1 and 2 combined I started to think he is scum towards the end of Day 2 when he called HTS a Vanilla Town which I would say is a scum slip and later on he started look scummier by the post in my eyes.
If you can give me a reason that isn't echoing bats I'll entertain that you've had a single original idea in this game. Here's a start. Which actions on Day 1 and Day 2? When did I call HTS a Vanilla Town? Your defense was bats' posts before. Now what he said again. Give me something original, LS. Please.
On November 30 2014 09:48 rsoultin wrote: i'd have no reason to hammer him if you believe hts is town and i'm mafia. I wouldn't put myself out there fighting over 2 vanilla towns -shrugs-
Also earlier in the thread I made the motion of not lynching at Day 1 you questioned on it and I gave you valid reasons based on my experience from my last game then you told me lynching is better which seems to me you were trying to bus me around as a newer player and that was the same behavior 1 of the scum did to me last game then all of day 2 you were bussing me around still and later on justifying your case on kush you used the little posting excuse on why you want to lynch him which seems scummy because I know people like me sometimes don't post much at all and later it turns out kush was town and you tried to blame it on Damndred and bats in this post
On November 30 2014 10:03 rsoultin wrote: Yup, I'm at a loss. I honestly wanted ls and just didn't think it was hts over kush...damdred and bats coming after me had me almost convinced they were the scum team lol. Now I'm not sure if we're just all off our rocker and scum is sitting back and laughing or what. Meh.
Normally scum players could put blame on someone who seemed scummy at the time and this for me is the final reason for voting you other then you voted on me.
Okay. So your first point was already made by bats, and is obviously a conditional statement (if...then), not to mention all town right now are vanilla town so that holds no significance at all. But I did ask you to tell me, and you did, so thanks.
Your second point you already made. I will concede that it is original. Yes, I did say that voting first day was better than abstaining. Yes, we know that you blame me for you choosing to vote dicks and dicks flipping town. Yada yada old news.
Your third point about "bossing you around", I'm assuming you meant bossing, was asking questions. Giving suggestions as to how to find scum without power roles when you said you couldn't make reads. I've never told you what to think or who to vote for. I've done similar things with SL and meat, asked questions to bats and damdred. You're not special in that regard.
Your next quote is clearly me expressing doubt. I did say when bats and damdred were pushing the shenanigans lynch that when I flipped you know where to start looking at...xP but that's a different quote. This is an original statement from you, too. Not very strong, though, considering neither bats nor damdred looked "scummy" to the rest of the player base at the time. I do believe everyone was singing their praises?
As for keeping my vote on you this long...I believe you're scum. That's simple. Everyone knows I was uncomfortable with every single player voting for meat. So...again what's your point?
That said, I did ask you for original thoughts and you did give some. So thank you for that.
...heh if you do flip scum LS I've got to give you this, you do have a good helpless act. I've had a couple doubts, but did you really forget you just said bats was town a couple posts ago?
Fair enough Breshke, you're right. I misread that.
Well, as I said, I've been having a couple doubts. Breshke, what do you think? I'm willing to change my vote to meat. No argument that LS defended himself better.
Lol, yeah ><. Eh, I was hoping there was some genius behind your questions. I'm going to go with my gut and hope it pans out. If you flip town LS, sorry man.
Holy crap is that a relief lol >< LS, great game bud! Very nearly changed my vote last minute! I'm glad you're mafia though; I hated thinking you could actually be that bad/scared at playing as a town.
Eh, I don't like his nothing posts, I really don't. And it's entirely possible we had two scum on the block, which would be nice, but I still think that's unlikely with so many people uncertain about other players and six townies to try to frame.
Okay I am flat-out biased against bats because he edited out a portion of one of my posts from the beginning of Day 2 to use against me right before the day ended, I ignored the comment on the list because he comments on everything without any support, then he starts tunneling me like mad, starts a lynch as soon as Damdred mentions I'm looking super scummy...Add to it the insistence we shouldn't lynch ls, that even if he flips mafia we lose, the prediction on Damdred's death and asking him to reiterate his scum list right before he pops town when Damdred had already stated his scum list, the insta-vote on meat the moment night phase ended...
But as I said, I am super biased against him. It's not impossible for a town to do all that. So before I go off on a bats' smear campaign just in case mafia kills me tonight, does anyone else remember him taking a strong position on anything or fighting for it, apart from EoD 2?
Unless we have the most stupid scum team ever, not all 3 of them were shenaniganing on the 2nd day. Bats, ls, hope... Not necessarily against lynching hope tomorrow, but I seriously doubt all three are involved.
Oats is bugging me. Eh. I can't say why it's just an itch. I'll figure out what it is sometime tonight...I feel like he's been a bit too go with the flow for a vet in this game, and if town is squabbling with town that's a great way to play.
Anyway, my town reads for now are Breshke and HTS, probably town SL but I can see a world with him and oats with that bats vs oats comment from earlier, slight leaning town on meat, null hope cause he's basically a lurker...bats and oats I want a closer look at.
On December 03 2014 12:42 Oatsmaster wrote: nononono we kill scum first.
Come on, you gotta think that Hopeless is like wayyyyy more scum than Bats.
Why do we have to think that? Hopeless is lurking, that's true. But as I said before, I doubt all 3 mafia participated in shenanigans. Bats reads super scummy to me. Hope is a null. He did try to get me to play ball with him end of day 2, however, which is odd to me for scum. Everyone's already convinced, why bother trying to ask questions? Just let the lynch train ride lol. Nah, if it's between those two I'd bet scum.
And I am thinking, Oats lol. I'm not always right or even right the majority of the time, but I think my problem line's up with Breshke's to some extent. I don't remember disagreeing with you much if at all. That's odd. It's not nearly good enough to say you're scum, and I'm not sure that I believe you are, but there's something...off...something that doesn't fit.
On December 03 2014 12:42 Oatsmaster wrote: nononono we kill scum first.
Come on, you gotta think that Hopeless is like wayyyyy more scum than Bats.
Why do we have to think that? Hopeless is lurking, that's true. But as I said before, I doubt all 3 mafia participated in shenanigans. Bats reads super scummy to me. Hope is a null. He did try to get me to play ball with him end of day 2, however, which is odd to me for scum. Everyone's already convinced, why bother trying to ask questions? Just let the lynch train ride lol. Nah, if it's between those two I'd bet scum.
And I am thinking, Oats lol. I'm not always right or even right the majority of the time, but I think my problem line's up with Breshke's to some extent. I don't remember disagreeing with you much if at all. That's odd. It's not nearly good enough to say you're scum, and I'm not sure that I believe you are, but there's something...off...something that doesn't fit.
Edit: I'd bet bats as scum. Leaving out words now.
On December 03 2014 12:08 sicklucker wrote: Could oats and bats be scum together? I think theirs a chance and it could be the uneasy feeling were getting breske. I have no idea why Ive been the one pushing bats over his since d1. His defense was terrible. Unlikely Tho
at eod2 did ls move the votes off of ryoulin?
Bats did. Though looking back through, it was Hope who started the lynch push on me, after bats posted that list and Damdred said I was acting scummy with the hammer vote and that he wished more were around so they could lynch me lol.
Hrum. Whatcha think? LS following bats (who he had a scum read on) around like a duckling a clever move designed to implicate bats if he ever flipped, or a new scum player transparently following bat's lead?
On December 03 2014 16:46 Oatsmaster wrote: That's a horrible reason to scumread anyone.
You know how it looks? It looks like you are afraid to commit to a read so you are leaving me open to mislynch me at a later date. You don't even have any evidence at all that I'm scum.
What's so hard about calling me town?
It's actually something SL said that makes me itchy. Oats vs. bats. Why? What about the LS vs. meat voting made it oats vs. bats? I remember you being one of the last people to vote for meat, perhaps the last, bringing the vote to 7. Did that not raise a red flag for you then? You've been more or less non-committal about bats, though he's been throwing you under the bus any chance he can. That argument the first day set the stage for an oats vs. bats game. You're coming back hard at me for commenting that you're not a firm town read for me, but have you bothered to defend yourself from him? I don't recall that you have. You're worth taking a second look at.
On December 03 2014 16:49 Oatsmaster wrote: Actually any decent scum player will tell his newbie scummate to find a very townie player and sheep him. It makes no sense to sheep your teammate because it's not like you need to buddy him or make him feel like you are listening to him. But it's good to buddy and sheep a strong townie to make him think you are with him and town.
So basically your evidence shows that ls is sheeping bats, therefore bats is town.
As for this...very townie? I could see, if you think that your newbie scummate is gonna give himself away, telling him to sheep a town people already don't trust. That's why I'm asking people what they think. I'm deliberately trying to think of reasons that bats might be town cause...as already said...super biased. Finding a very townie player isn't a bad strategy either to ride the coattails of for as long as possible. But what about bats makes him a strong townie player? He was in the race for scum day 1. Still being mentioned day 2 but we went for policy lynches instead.
I've been questioning him ever since EoD 2, and now you're telling me LS sheeping him proves he's town because he's a very townie player. That's...weird. What about bats' play this game is so very 'townie' oats? Maybe my newb eyes are just blind.
Regardless, from most confident town to most likely scum, my current reads are as follows:
Breshke - Strong town
I like the caution here. Questions everything. Isn't quick to sheep anyone. His reads, though not in line with mine, are well thought out. He deliberately draws people out and attempts to make them justify their actions/statements. All of this makes me more willing to believe his claim that he was blocked night 1. (Because yes, if the only reason I could find for his being town was the block claim, that would concern me, and I still doubt mafia would be so confident that Trfel was that last role as to not block anyone just to make the claim.)
HTS - Strong town
This of course assumes that you believe my alignment is town, but he refused to switch votes to me to save himself. His reasons for voting kush may have been wrong, and the argument can be made that town shouldn't go out on a limb for someone else, but even Damdred was willing to admit that he understood HTS' reasoning on kush. The only way I can see EoD 2 play as anything other than town is if he knew his scummate wouldn't get the vote in on time to lynch him. Otherwise it's not worth the risk if you're scum. Damdred and Hope were 00 votes, just on the cusp of making it. To deliberately get your vote in right before or right after deadline like that, so close, would take very careful timing. All 3 (bats, hope and damdred) were talking in those last 3 minutes, so no one was waiting by the post button watching the clock, or at least, I find it doubtful that they were.
SL - Strong town
He's all over the place, it's true, but it comes off more as whatever thoughts are going through his head at the time. Very stream of consciousness style. That he's not sure of things and changing his mind so much makes me think he's approaching the problem of finding scum from multiple angles, taking into consideration different what-ifs. I may not agree with his reads a lot, and this mindset he has that he's town so he doesn't care he's just trying to find scum, but his behavior itself isn't scummy. The fact that he seems to talk more when no talking is going on also supports the claim that he talks to get people talking.
Meatpudding - Null leaning town
Mostly circumstantial. Meatpudding has put in a few good reads. He and Breshke were talking during Day 2 I believe it was, and I remember thinking to myself when I read it that, regardless of whether I agreed with them or not, meatpudding seemed to be genuinely looking for scum. That's why I backed off him for a bit, before paranoia got the better of me again. Those few good reads are outweighed by the AFK and his not-terribly-good defense yesterday, though it did get better as the day progressed. So onto the mostly circumstantial part: two scums up for lynch? First, he was the uncontested vote of everyone in the player base. I was pulling teeth trying to get my point out there, and yes I did start cautious cause I knew people were looking at me hard for the hammer vote on kush and it went through my head that if I'm the one trying to push something people might just ignore it on principle...and oats is right. There wasn't a big pile on LS, which you'd half-expect if both were scum when it became clear LS was gaining traction and almost definitely going to be lynched.
Oats - null
I don't disagree with most anything he's said on principle, apart from a point here or there. A couple things bugging me about him though. He's very certain. So-and-so is scum, you have to see/believe, oh this is easy the scum team is definitely these people. He's been leaning hard on inactives/afkers/sheepers at least the latter part of the game. What's the likelihood that all are scum, and what makes him so certain about it? Also, why is he so certain about bats being town? Could bats be town? Yes. But who in their right mind wouldn't at least question it? I don't understand his sudden shift from bats is scum on day 1 to oh, okay, he's fine and then never another question. Can you answer that for me oats? Correction: 6th vote on meat, not 7th. Seems odd to me that a vet wouldn't even question that large a pile-on, but eh...he was the 3rd on LS though. And the only one on LS who I'm not almost completely certain is town, so if scum is going to buss he seems to be the most likely candidate. At the time, HTS and Breshke both looked willing to change votes, so high probability of an LS lynch at the time, and SL already had changed.
Hopeless - null leaning scum
Comes in to replace slam with about 60 pages to read. He did post a no-lynch vote, but at the time there were about six different players with votes on them, and he stated it was a placeholder while he was reading. He did start the shenanigans which is not something I was fond of lol, but continued asking people questions. About bats, what my reads were, etc. etc. even as the votes were playing out. He expressed doubt on lynching HTS...and I do like doubt, cause town is completely blind this game, but did it anyway based on his town read of kush. If he's with bats, he questions bats a second time, this time on LS, though doesn't change his vote. Excuse for AFKing is work. Weak case against SL. To me, if not for the extensive AFK and the comment about why bothering to try with meat being clearly scum, I'd be reading him as null or null leaning slight town.
Bats - most probable scum
Disclaimer: I am biased here. Early fight with Oats seemed pretty pointless, LS saying I forced his hand on Day 1 is only forced if he thought the other option of voting bats something he couldn't do. His vote when he voted dicks, if it had been on bats instead, would have brought the vote to 4 for bats vice 3 for dicks, and voting for the other outliers leaves it as 3 to 3. (Forget who tried to tell me that bats wasn't in danger of being lynched Day 1, but I say booya now lol i'm not going crazy. Though it looks like dicks tried to vote for bats but his wasn't counted because of a technicality, which is why it ended in 2 votes.) Hruuum circumstantial again, but HTS was echoing Trfel on the bats push. Odd how one died and the other nearly did. Caught bats in a couple lies/alzheimers moments when I was asking him about his HTS read. Bats has gotten progressively less active as time goes on in attempting to make reads/cases. Either he's super frustrated with us (odd given he stuck with it when he was under the gun) or he's staying out of the limelight and giving nothing but snark when he does comment for a reason. I see him defending LS all game, and when I said HTS and I probably had to be the same alignment he ignored me and later shifted from HTS being "townie" to possibly still mafia. I also find it interesting that he starts digging up something on me when I was pushing LS the first time and then went with kush over HTS. Seemed opportunistic. However, on that count, he did keep saying kush was town, so that could have been the motivation for the posts/votes at EoD 2.
Conclusion: I'll probably be voting bats tomorrow unless people convince me another route is better. His getting progressively more silent/less helpful is something Damdred mentioned is usually a mafia trait for him, as well. I still do not think that he, Hopeless, and LS all are mafia since it seems a little too obvious...but, hey, people do make mistakes so it's possible. I would say though that I'm more suspicious of Oats than Hopeless if bats flips scum. Oats was all in bats' grill originally and now, when I would argue that bats is acting more scummy than he was in the beginning of the game, he seems very resistant to the idea that bats is scum. Odd, odd, odd.
As a sidenote, since I just refreshed...yeah, I can see why you'd say that LS sheeping bats is not good enough, oats, and alone you're right, it isn't. But my case against bats was never solely that. LS was also a very new mafia player, so it's not crazy for him to make mistakes. Bats commenting on it could very easily be a way to say hey look, would I have commented if we were a scumteam? Especially if LS was going off the rails and doing things the rest of his team would have advised him not to had they had the chance.
Eh, no offense HTS, but I'm not really seeing either of those comments from meat as terrible.
LS did post mostly null reads. Looking at all of them together might give more.
And yes, it's true that Breshke could have false-claimed, and that it doesn't necessarily mean that he is the mafia RB cause all the mafia should know whether RB blocked anyone or not, right? I don't believe that he did, but the possibility does exist.
On November 26 2014 08:02 Trfel wrote: I'm becoming highly suspicious of batsnacks.
Looking at batsnacks' posts this game, it does seem like he hasn't contributed many reads or constructive comments at all. He has pressure voted kushm4sta, and tried to convince other people to vote for kushm4sta, as shown:
On November 25 2014 10:27 batsnacks wrote: I think you should all start voting kush since that's the most logical vote right now.
Then Oatsmaster starts hinting that he might be mafia, and he responds as follows:
On November 25 2014 12:25 batsnacks wrote:
On November 25 2014 12:18 Oatsmaster wrote: He has bad posts regarding a read ohf HTS, his policy lynch on kush is really bad and he is using that to avoid playing the game and doing actual useful things.
This isn't a read. None of oats' posts contain reads.
oats is play is like 80% asking questions that have already been answered and 20% badgering the host about issues he could fix himself.
If my plynch on kush is bad give me something better.
I've seen oats play a lot better than he is doing right now.
He just starts attacking Oatsmaster, without actually providing any argument against the accsusations.
It's been nearly 24 hours and I cannot find any critical thinking or logical reads from batsnacks. He has been only minimally probing for information, as well.
Now, examining batsnacks' mafia history, it seems to show similar, non-accusatory play as mafia, but an ability to logically provide arguments against people as town.
In Fantasy Football Mafia Mini 2, his most recent mafia game, batsnacks was a mafia vanilla. His posts generally seem to lack content, for example this:
On October 23 2014 16:57 batsnacks wrote:
On October 23 2014 16:50 Alakaslam wrote:
On October 23 2014 14:24 Alakaslam wrote:
Fite me
You know it is time
Exact same amount of letter swapping sson
I only had to swap 2 letters, the A and the I. You have to swap 3, the N, O, and W. Plus you have an extra letter that doesn't even belong there.
Looks like I'm right about you. You're clearly reaching here.
batsnacks did give some analysis in saying that robik seemed to be town in that game, which ended up being correct. But he failed to provide specifics or any real evidence of this:
On October 24 2014 06:50 batsnacks wrote: I think robik looks pretty solid. I like how he's posting; he's focused, not all caps, consolidated, no personal dramas, that stuff is what reminds me of hard to get along with robik. @DrParnassus what about robik this game seem hard to cooperate with? Could you quote an example? You did say -everything about the way he's playing- reminds you of that.
He also defends Liam from an accusation. Up to now, the only two real things he's said are claiming these two people to be town. At this point he is accused of being mafia, and this is his defense:
On October 24 2014 21:41 batsnacks wrote: I think I'm not a good lynch right now. For obvious reasons.
He continues to not provide any true defense or explanation for his actions, and ends up being lynched on the first day.
On October 06 2014 23:26 batsnacks wrote: Oats if you are in fact "contributing" shouldn't you be thanking me? I did enable these "contributions" of yours. I feel like you're annoyed with me for allowing you to contribute.
Or are you annoyed with being in the spotlight this early?
You dont get to claim credit for something that happened accidentally.
What are your reads, mainly holyflare and me?
I agreed with HF a lot last game and he was town. I'm agreeing with him this game already so, tentatively town.
I'm voting you because I think you're scummy.
Also lol at "accidentally"
You claimed on accident now?
batsnacks accuses Oatsmaster of being mafia in this game (which ends up being incorrect). But when he defends someone as being town, he provides some support for this claim, and also shares his views a bit.
On October 07 2014 08:07 batsnacks wrote: Wait a minute, something isn't right. I quoted all of the following from the same post.
On October 07 2014 02:35 Blazinghand wrote: ...there's roughly speaking 13 players, right? If 3 are scum, then that gives us a solid 22% chance of lynching scum purely based on RNG.
No townie in this game knows the ratio of town to mafia, so it is correct here that BH gives us an example ratio of 10/3 or 22% as an example.
But then later in that post he says this:
On October 07 2014 02:35 Blazinghand wrote: ...the fact of the matter is, I'm offering a straight-up 22% chance to lynch someone.
BH how do you KNOW there are exactly 3 mafia? I bolded fact because that's a serious word to throw around when you're supposedly working with estimates.
Here's a critical analysis of a post in that game. It doesn't result in anything, but this post has more logic and scum-searching than his play to this point in the current game, as well as his play in the first game I mentioned, where he was mafia.
On October 08 2014 02:24 batsnacks wrote:
On October 08 2014 02:22 Hopeless1der wrote: You had one job batsnacks. + Show Spoiler +
and then HF gave you another one.
Does it make you nervous that I've already figured out you're mafia?
Then he claims Hopeless1der to be mafia, which ends up being correct. I don't see any reasoning listed, though. This post also came after the first 24 hours of the game, unlike all of the other posts quoted here.
I did notice this inconsistency between his post in this game:
On November 25 2014 10:58 batsnacks wrote:There is no such thing as scum slips, so no, dude didn't scum slip.
and this:
On October 07 2014 08:29 batsnacks wrote:
On October 07 2014 08:19 Grackaroni wrote: You're implying that at the start of the post BH was careful not to slip that he had knowledge of the setup. (by pointing out that the number of scum is unknown) and then *slipped* that he was 100% sure there were 3 mafia within like 10 seconds of typing which is really unrealistic.
What I see is BH working off the assumption that random lynch provides at least 22% chance of hitting mafia compared to day 1 analysis which varies (and BH thinks is worse for catching mafia)
I think it's feasible that he slipped.
besides
The TL mafia database disagrees that random lynch is better. So by random lynching we 1) have worse odds of lynching mafia and 2) players who agree with the random lynch have zero accountability for their votes.
Why the change? Probably just a change in his playstyle, but another explanation is that he is searching for mafia in that game, and has less incentive to do so in this game.
Looking at batsnacks' play in the game preceding the above game, 2p2 Vanilla Werewolf 13er, batsnacks immediately comes up with a comprehensive look at GlowingBear:
On September 26 2014 08:14 batsnacks wrote: I'm not completely caught up yet but I still think GB is mafiawolf.
On September 25 2014 11:02 GlowingBear wrote: I think Storr is mafia because of this:
This post stinks:
On September 25 2014 09:20 StorrZerg wrote: (1) i'd lynch fecal for the donkey entrance to the game.
the overly troll attitude fecal has with the caps locks, and insta vote on holy is really throwing off scum vibes. Deff would lynch.
On September 25 2014 08:34 Fecalfeast wrote: The fact that nobody was using the voting thread made me think they were joke votes. That's why I didn't use the thread anyway.
Lol I actually like your case holyflare
"yeah right"
Also i don't like the GB entrance to the game
On September 25 2014 08:41 GlowingBear wrote: Oh THANK GOD I'm town again! I hate rolling scum.
Ok, Haru, tell me what you think of holyflower by now
(2)unless im missing a game he just played, last game he was scum. seems odd to lead with a lie.
(1) very has reason to call someone definetely scum. I did that no geript last game. There is nothing alignment indicative in fecal's entrance and that makes storr look bad.
(2) storr was scum with me and I clearly stated on the qt that I wanted to be town. I was mafia for 3 games and I wish I was town on this, which I am. I never lied.
The way he is disliking entrances looks like he is trying to pretend to be an aggressive town.
Also, he gives Haru free town pass for his entrance and also obiwan. None has alignment indicative posts.
On September 25 2014 10:11 StorrZerg wrote: obi probably town too.
I'm on a phone and I'm too lazy to search for the town pass on Haru now.
storr is my strongest scum read the moment
Here's his case on storr. He says storr is pretending to be aggressive town by disliking entrances. That is a weird thing to say. How can GB tell the difference between someone who is pretending to be aggressive town and someone who actually is aggressive town based on so few posts? Imo he can't and is just making stuff up.
He also scum reads storr for saying someone is "definitely" mafia and says he said the exact same thing as scum last game. Well, look at this:
On September 25 2014 11:32 GlowingBear wrote: Naaaah. I'm positive storr is scum. ##Vote: Storr
He did it again this game.
I also think this post is scummy:
On September 25 2014 13:09 GlowingBear wrote:
On September 25 2014 12:51 Hopeless1der wrote:
On September 25 2014 12:42 GlowingBear wrote:
On September 25 2014 12:28 Hopeless1der wrote:
On September 25 2014 12:22 GlowingBear wrote:
On September 25 2014 12:19 Hopeless1der wrote: not much time tonight, but right now severely dislike glowingbear. Very shallow reads imo. HF's case wasnt terrible, it was misplaced. If haru couldnt prove he was actually sad about rolling blue I'd be voting for him right now. Since the case has obviously failed, why would HF stay with it? Thats ridiculous.
Then there's his scumlist...what the hell is that about. players have literally not even posted yet, but GB has solved the game? I dont buy that in the slightest.
I'll probably be gone until this time tomorrow but should be generally more active when I'm around during my evenings. (Just started a new job, dont want to play at work)
Because that's his scum read and if the case didn't go through he should be asking more questions to Haru to get more information?
Lol...
HF's case on Haru was literally based on one post that was demonstrably false using out-of-thread but public information. Again, why try to stick with such a case? Refusing to "overlook" (which is a strange way to phrase it btw) his case would be way more suspicious than dropping it like he already has. The fact that this seems suspicious to you makes YOU look suspicious to me.
Because it's easy, as scum, to pick on a tiny problem to bus a partner then drop the read.
That is so incredibly shallow. Unless I have found surefire scum tomorrow, I'm voting you just based off this interaction.
btw, fecalfeast is behaving pretty similar to last game imo. No reason to hate on him just yet. Palmar seems to have gotten upset that no one uses the voting thread to follow his policy and has taken up a silent protest. Sky is new to TL but not to mafia. I'd like to hear his (her?) thoughts on why d1 claimers usually got lynched on SK. I'm gone for now, see you all later.
It can be shallow, but at least I'm the only one trying to get people talking. Nothing is in the way of updating my reads the more people starts to talk. If you lynch me, you'll be lynching a townie for stupid reasons and you'll soon lose the game as much as you lost our last one
The "at least" in that sentence is really scummy to me. It's a tone thing. It's like he's really saying "I'm mafia but at least I'm the only one trying to get people talking." It's also scummy how he says he's the -only- person getting people talking. GB made a case against HF earlier for dropping his case against HaruRH. I'm not a mind reader but I think HF made that case to get people talking. So GB is scum reading HF for trying to get people talking -- while saying he, GB, is the only contributor in the thread.
I also think this post is scummy:
On September 25 2014 10:18 GlowingBear wrote: Ok
Glowningbear's first scum team guess: Haru, HF, Storr
Gonna have dinner and give reasons
GB is referring to himself in the third person here in order to distance himself from his reads that he doesn't actually believe in. How can he be confident he's caught the whole scum team and solved the game? Later when he's drunk he posts this:
On September 25 2014 17:48 GlowingBear wrote: My dribk senses says JAT is possibly mafia
So now GB has found 4 mafia... HF is mafia for getting people talking with an early case, Haru is mafia for unflipped assosiations, storr is mafia because GB can tell somehow that storr is just pretending to be aggressive town, and JAT is mafia because ??? Speaking of reads, GB is frantic this game about "getting reads." He is addicted to reads and needs an intervention. He wants to convince us so badly that he is trying to get reads that he can not stop saying it:
On September 25 2014 08:46 GlowingBear wrote: It won't help me getting reads if you use day1 just to charge your solar beam.
On September 25 2014 09:46 GlowingBear wrote: Asking about holyflare's case to everyone is my way to get people talking and getting reads from them.
On September 25 2014 11:11 GlowingBear wrote: Why I think Haru is scum:
He doesn't want to talk much, not letting me getting reads:
On September 25 2014 11:11 GlowingBear wrote: Why not talking? He should be helping us with reads day1.
On September 25 2014 11:15 GlowingBear wrote: I'm done with the reads. I'm going to get ready for a party.
On September 25 2014 11:28 GlowingBear wrote: Because I want people talking about people so I can get reads.
On September 25 2014 13:09 GlowingBear wrote: Nothing is in the way of updating my reads the more people starts to talk.
On September 26 2014 00:33 GlowingBear wrote: Sorry, I'm guilty of getting people to talk to get my reads instead of immediately attacking both HF and hope.
On September 26 2014 00:33 GlowingBear wrote: I think that is good to register and to get reads.
On September 26 2014 00:49 GlowingBear wrote: Gut feelings VS actual reads. Actual reads won.
On September 26 2014 00:49 GlowingBear wrote: It could be totally wrong but at least I would get people talking more so I can have more reads
He's clearly thinking and investigating the posts, and trying to find the scum. Then he starts thinking that SkyDragon is scum:
On September 26 2014 08:18 batsnacks wrote: Also this post is really scummy:
On September 26 2014 01:07 SkyDragon wrote:
On September 25 2014 12:51 Hopeless1der wrote:Sky is new to TL but not to mafia. I'd like to hear his (her?) thoughts on why d1 claimers usually got lynched on SK.
"His" is correct. :p
d1 claimers got lynched depending on what they were saying.
- If they claimed to be Town with nothing to back it up, they were seen as suspicious and people would vote to lynch them if their play-style doesn't match. - Throwing out names on the first day was seen as suspicious. - Feigning ignorance of a particular role was suspicious unless he weren't very bright in the first place (As one guy did when he asked the Mod in the thread whether getting no pm means that you're a Villager - We straight away knew that he was trying it, lynched him and he turned out to be Mafia) - Changing votes repeatedly was seen as suspicious. - Normally active players who become quiet were seen as suspicious.
There's no one answer to fit all situations really. There were also power roles so someone may have been saying something considered "weird" because they were the Seer, Doctor, Vigi or some other good role (And the last thing you want to do is get them lynched). There would be some hesitation to vote to lynch anyone on Day 1 but sometimes something is said that just doesn't feel right to several people.
It's a long post filled with info that makes zero conclusions about anything. Perfect mafia post. If I'm not voting GB today I'm voting skydragon.
He continues to press on GlowingBear and SkyDragon. Both end up being town, but batsnacks is showing that he is capable and willing to attempt to find scum and provide logical accusations that other players are scum.
In conclusion, batsnacks seems very suspcious because he has not yet provided any real content, particularly at least one accusation of someone being mafia with an argument behind it. This resembles his play in his last game, where he was mafia, and contrasts with his play in previous games where he was town. What do you guys think?
First good job, overall this is a really good case and took a lot of effort it looks like to put together.
And for lolz I will say When has bats ever really shown logical critical thinking skills! ( I love you bats)
The big thing about bats is that he has taken great strides to change his play between games. The style and tone of his play and if you can remember him is his biggest mafia give away and lurkiness.
I do not think that you are necessarily wrong in what you are saying, we should be very suspicious of batsnacks and if he really stops doing things and is forgettable we lynch him immediately. But i'm not confident enough as it seems he is trying to push something when talking to people he does ask for reads from people.
You are now town to me.
^ Ironically it was actually in his defense of batsnacks when trfel was attempting to put together a partial meta-read @ Breshke. I wouldn't say precisely that bats has been forgettable but he certainly has stopped doing much of anything ever since day 2. I hate meta reads. It was just a stray comment, since I know some people put more emphasis on it than I do.
I mean, Damdred tried to meta-read me based on my mafia play...and I've never played as mafia lol. I was a vig a couple times maybe that was what he meant. Anyway. I'm digressing.
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